Chet...an interesting point...You've probably noticed this...As the hub and axle displace toward the rim, the flexing spoke that is pointed down spreads is length in contact with the rim. Gravity is acting in that direction, but more than the reverse of that force which happens along the top, you've devised a shock absorber that increases its damping rate by design. The heavier the impact, the stronger the shock gets. Think of 6 or 8 spokes (whatever fits) and think dirt bikes...
This is an awesome idea. Don't sell it to big corporations. Reap the full benefit of manufacturing it yourself. It has a good look to it and functionality that will create a lot of demand.
What an excellent design, you could get this to work on a three wheeled bike, the two back wheels could have left spring in them than the front and this would allow it to zip across almost anything, your a genius. If you could adapt this for cars by using more stronger materials, this would bring a whole new dimension to comfort in the car.
you're going to be a rich man my friend, you created something that will change the biking world for ever i see this being the standard rim in 5-10 years i'd love to see a set of these rims used on a bmx bike at the XGAMES. sometimes you see things and have doubts about whether or not it means anything but this is just the best thing i've seen in a long time
You removed the fork crown and reduced the travel didn't you? The best solution to keep the tires from hitting the fork though, would be to use 26" "springed" wheels with a 29" wheel fork.
im throwing this out there. maybe it could be worked out or maybe it cant. when you turn and lean into the corner to turn you create G force. if that flattens out the tire it going to increase its contact patch with the ground and it will slow the wheel down causing drag. or even folding over like low tire air pressure would. maybe if there were more lighter springs through out the wheel spaced 1 inch from each other matching the contact patch of the tire to the ground. and make it out of carbon fiber so its lite for less un sprung weight. thats my idea hope it makes you lots of money. now every body screen shot this for the proof of my idea. Matthew Moore 11/07/13 i road race a AE86 come watch my videos.
That's great invention, if you can do this on a built-at-home prototype I can't wait to see what a company with millions to spend on RD will do with this design! Looking forward to seeing this concept applied to cars, motorcycles, wheel chairs etc.
Great work, but still the following question remains: Is there going to be any adjustments for how soft/hard the shock absorption is going to be, such as you will find on a bikes today?
Interesting design. Just a point of correction, a shock absorber at an angle can absorb more than 1 direction of shock. In fact, it can absorb shock in any set of components of the two vectors making up the triangle formed by the angle except when the force being applied is exactly perpendicular (which could be fixed by adding a second shock perpendicular to the first, much like you did). I'm interested to see a direct comparison between your design and standard shocks in a variety of tests.
Very cool invention. Nice work. I Wonder if its light or heavy? It would be fun to go for a ride downhill somewhere in the Santa Cruz mountains to test it out.
you have had to cut part of the forks out to allow for the movement of the wheel so surely if it moves back and forward as well as up and down there is a risk that you could also hit the frame?
really cool idea, but when you get a flat spot what do you do? i see the hoop flexing because of lack of support... it would need some kind of really special hoop...
Lets see this perform on some of the Utah downhill courses, and what is the rim failure projection. Weight compared to a carbon and spoke wheel? Mountain bike are used in the city because of cheap cost, a thinner high pressure tire is great for commuters, a large tire is to much effort.
Very interesting, I love the idea, but I have some questions: I assume one of the modifications is making the fork longer so that the tire doesn't rub as the spokes distort? I would like to see what happens when you break or pedal hard, it seems you would lose some pedaling efficiency and probably some braking as the spokes would distort rotationally. Would the tire getting out of balance be a problem, where spokes are bent so that their default location is with the hub not in the center?
Yeah, extremely important that it moves in all directions, I always dreamed of an bike wheel that goes sideways atty every bump ... (notice the sarcasm)
what are the advantages of having 4 of those spring spokes ? I would really like to try to replicate the result you have obtained, but I would go for either 3 or 5 spokes... as far as stability goes, I think 5 would be even better, using a penthagon as a hub... what do you think ?
Very innovative!! ...How about a 700c wheels for touring? Strong enough to support me sturdy frame (225lbs) + up to 100lbs of gear?? A ride like this could certainly make the miles pass by a little more smoothly...and my hands would certainly thank you!
put some stiffer springs on, it needs to support the entire rider's weight while taking bumps... by the way, what's the maximum travel you can get from those springs?
Does it not slow the bike down a little because the thingy in the middle (sorry for not knowing what it's called, 13 y/o from sweden.. xD) is always a bit further down then usual and then it kinda takes a bit of pressure and slows the bike down..? I'd love to have those tires btw! Looks great and I really hope you get it out to the stores and markets etc.
That's probably a great novelty design for a cruiser, but I don't think the concept will ever see any serious mountain bike applications. The shape of the wheel gets distorted and there is no dampening control... compression/rebound.
When you pedal hard, there will be a tendency for the wheel to absorb the shock, rather than propel the bike forward .... If this is minimalised, this wheel will go far.
I imagine the springs constantly loading and unloading must add a fair amount of rolling resistance, unlike suspension forks
handsome initiator !
Carbon fiber leg for amputees made into a wheel. Cool idea for another use for that object.
Chet...an interesting point...You've probably noticed this...As the hub and axle displace toward the rim, the flexing spoke that is pointed down spreads is length in contact with the rim. Gravity is acting in that direction, but more than the reverse of that force which happens along the top, you've devised a shock absorber that increases its damping rate by design. The heavier the impact, the stronger the shock gets. Think of 6 or 8 spokes (whatever fits) and think dirt bikes...
This is an awesome idea. Don't sell it to big corporations. Reap the full benefit of manufacturing it yourself. It has a good look to it and functionality that will create a lot of demand.
Will a variant of this be able to translate to a motorcycle or car?
What an excellent design, you could get this to work on a three wheeled bike, the two back wheels could have left spring in them than the front and this would allow it to zip across almost anything, your a genius.
If you could adapt this for cars by using more stronger materials, this would bring a whole new dimension to comfort in the car.
That is sooo cool, what a revolutionary wheel !
That is bad ass! Good luck with your patent. I hope your product becomes successful!
you're going to be a rich man my friend, you created something that will change the biking world for ever i see this being the standard rim in 5-10 years i'd love to see a set of these rims used on a bmx bike at the XGAMES. sometimes you see things and have doubts about whether or not it means anything but this is just the best thing i've seen in a long time
You removed the fork crown and reduced the travel didn't you? The best solution to keep the tires from hitting the fork though, would be to use 26" "springed" wheels with a 29" wheel fork.
What was the reason to pick 4 struts? Wouldn't 6 make more sense, 2 sets of 3 would give you more forward momentum I think.
Hi, Chet, would you make the raw, prototype version open source for the sake of DIYers(obviously you want to monetize the polished, advanced version)?
im throwing this out there. maybe it could be worked out or maybe it cant. when you turn and lean into the corner to turn you create G force. if that flattens out the tire it going to increase its contact patch with the ground and it will slow the wheel down causing drag. or even folding over like low tire air pressure would. maybe if there were more lighter springs through out the wheel spaced 1 inch from each other matching the contact patch of the tire to the ground. and make it out of carbon fiber so its lite for less un sprung weight. thats my idea hope it makes you lots of money. now every body screen shot this for the proof of my idea. Matthew Moore 11/07/13 i road race a AE86 come watch my videos.
Welcome to the new -great- invention, and congratulations to the inventor Chet Baigh !
Hi Chet, I think you should put 5 or 6 bow-spokes as if for any reason you loose one of the 4 bow-spokes wheel will become unsuable.
Let's see how it turns sharp at high speeds
That's great invention, if you can do this on a built-at-home prototype I can't wait to see what a company with millions to spend on RD will do with this design! Looking forward to seeing this concept applied to cars, motorcycles, wheel chairs etc.
Where can i buy one of these at.. and why are ratings disabled?????
I would like to see how the bike behaves with both front and back shock weels.
good luck with the project.
Great invention, but how does handle in corners,revolution of the wheel, welldone
Try getting a better Slow mo camera
Great work, but still the following question remains: Is there going to be any adjustments for how soft/hard the shock absorption is going to be, such as you will find on a bikes today?
Interesting design. Just a point of correction, a shock absorber at an angle can absorb more than 1 direction of shock. In fact, it can absorb shock in any set of components of the two vectors making up the triangle formed by the angle except when the force being applied is exactly perpendicular (which could be fixed by adding a second shock perpendicular to the first, much like you did). I'm interested to see a direct comparison between your design and standard shocks in a variety of tests.
Very cool invention. Nice work. I Wonder if its light or heavy? It would be fun to go for a ride downhill somewhere in the Santa Cruz mountains to test it out.
Awesome invention sir! Well done! I love inventions! (have one myself but working on Patent still) I would LOVE to try these badboys! :)
LOVE IT!
I live close to you Chet. Awesome invention.
It is not rigid like a regular tire. It will absorb your momentum. Like swinging a sledge hammer with a rubber handle
Thatsss pretty cool^_^ I hope to see it in production. Good luck!
It would be could to make car wheels with this design...what made you think to invent this design?
Now now, young minds bright ideas, all things change in time!
American innovation at it's best! Can the concept be used for the drive wheel also?
I would be very happy on buying one or two of those... Congratz!!!
this might be a big thing if it doesn't collapse when you go off a really high ramp or jump
That is amazingly smart, just like a prosthetic running leg
you have had to cut part of the forks out to allow for the movement of the wheel so surely if it moves back and forward as well as up and down there is a risk that you could also hit the frame?
great concept and i hope to see them soon on mtbs and standard bikes.
those and energy return wheels will revolutionize bikes imensly ;)
Is it heavy? How much it weight?
Was your idea from your ceiling lamp....? Nice!!!
really cool idea, but when you get a flat spot what do you do? i see the hoop flexing because of lack of support... it would need some kind of really special hoop...
Lets see this perform on some of the Utah downhill courses, and what is the rim failure projection. Weight compared to a carbon and spoke wheel?
Mountain bike are used in the city because of cheap cost, a thinner high pressure tire is great for commuters, a large tire is to much effort.
Very interesting, I love the idea, but I have some questions: I assume one of the modifications is making the fork longer so that the tire doesn't rub as the spokes distort? I would like to see what happens when you break or pedal hard, it seems you would lose some pedaling efficiency and probably some braking as the spokes would distort rotationally. Would the tire getting out of balance be a problem, where spokes are bent so that their default location is with the hub not in the center?
Great idea! Cool. When does production start?
That's great but what's the difference if the shock in mounted under handle bars to frame.
Yeah, extremely important that it moves in all directions, I always dreamed of an bike wheel that goes sideways atty every bump ...
(notice the sarcasm)
what about the buckle effect, keeping the wheel true to the axis of the axle would be a big problem especially if it has old style pad pincer brakes
i would like to see how it behaves in hard breaking
they already have this exact same wheel in London
cool man would love to see it all done in action
go around a corner and hit a bump.. how well does it track?
lol I agree with matt cant handle the compression under stress with the materials your using right now
what are the advantages of having 4 of those spring spokes ? I would really like to try to replicate the result you have obtained, but I would go for either 3 or 5 spokes... as far as stability goes, I think 5 would be even better, using a penthagon as a hub... what do you think ?
Very innovative!!
...How about a 700c wheels for touring? Strong enough to support me sturdy frame (225lbs) + up to 100lbs of gear?? A ride like this could certainly make the miles pass by a little more smoothly...and my hands would certainly thank you!
I would love to ride on this but it looks like the springs need to be harder
put some stiffer springs on, it needs to support the entire rider's weight while taking bumps... by the way, what's the maximum travel you can get from those springs?
Great invention, dude! Have you presented this on Shark Tank, yet? If not, will you?
great concept!
How does this relate to the Loopwheel?
wasnt this design used on the moon landing vehicle???????????
Awesome invention
i can see spring assisted bunny hops being a thing now
What is your estimated sale price?
So how it handles?
What about a simple wheel with simple shocks?
isnt that a little too springy for a high speed ride?
Very cool invention
Is the wheel stable at higher speeds?
Only on the front wheel? How about the rear wheel?
The fact that the hub can move forward also means the center of gravity can move forward... so won't it cause you to flip forward more easily?
虽然我听不懂他是怎么介绍他的发明，但我觉得这个产品在山地车是一个很好的创新，但是我觉得这个产品在高速行进中可靠性降低，当车轮在高速行进中遇到障外物会不会因为惯性把骑手摔下来？求解答！
How's it work on a vert ramp?
i will trail test a set for you, you may want to stiffen the bows a bit
Great idea!
Does it not slow the bike down a little because the thingy in the middle (sorry for not knowing what it's called, 13 y/o from sweden.. xD) is always a bit further down then usual and then it kinda takes a bit of pressure and slows the bike down..? I'd love to have those tires btw! Looks great and I really hope you get it out to the stores and markets etc.
Dampening? Probably little with the composites. Not a composite expert so perhaps that can be designed in. Cool concept though.
What is the weight of the wheel?
Really cool!
fantastic
Why not? it can lead to something awesome!
it kinda like the loop wheel from the u k
Have u figured out the other function of ur invention pertaining to bikes?
That's probably a great novelty design for a cruiser, but I don't think the concept will ever see any serious mountain bike applications. The shape of the wheel gets distorted and there is no dampening control... compression/rebound.
Bravo
Pretty cool
'Bumps into butter'? Notice how he never sits in the saddle going over a bump? Even he doesn't thrust his own promo blurb.
it this a selling product yet?
neat. maybe even better than shocks
Very clever.
wow
brilliant
Cool!
holy crap, 1,000,000,000 bajillion thumbs up
nice brother
Looks like it would pop the bead and blow the tire off when it flexes. That would hurt!
Problem I foresee is the wheel possibly losing its shape. Look into that.
true genius
ur front wheel air is almost a=empty
When you pedal hard, there will be a tendency for the wheel to absorb the shock, rather than propel the bike forward .... If this is minimalised, this wheel will go far.
Cool
I WANT IT!!!