Congratulations on opening the first intermodal terminal on your railway. At this growth rate you might beat out your national rail in a decade or two ;D
@@deathclawow I think that you had better subscribe to Trains magazine for a year or two to learn the reality of your comment. The freight railroads have good access to capital for projects, it's the passenger and commuter railroads that have the problems of accessing money for capital expenditure.
@@markfryer9880 Although "they," meaning people who wear suits, have access to lots of capital, "they" don't seem to make good decisions on how to spend it to support people who wear reflective yellow and orange... or their customers, too.
@@markfryer9880 and an example to disprove you on a second point (whether or not it's indicative of all municipal transportation agenencies) the MBTA just finished 5 years of trackwork on the Orange subway line in 30 days, and sent 30 F40PHs to Boise for rebuilds, and let's not forget the Green Line Extension, Beverly and Natick Center stations... or Worcester, the new platform at Ruggles... They're getting things done fore sure. The reason it takes so long is union labor.
You need a gauge interchange! Make up a garden monorail at both ends, higher up, so you can roll the monocarts onto the bogey cart. Of course, you've done the wheelbarrow thing already, so ...
@@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299 Oh by the way i had a thought. What about rope tows for the heavier rolling stock? Seems much cheaper and easier than a locomotive short term. Have a thick rope that loops around with a piece you can couple to the front of the carriage where the pull bar goes.
I'd say the supporting planks underneath could do with a front and back stop, so they keep the wheelbarrow legs from sliding backwards and forwards while you're moving. Other than that, great stuff :)
@@ralpha679 or an even simplier design is having a hole drilled in the tracks and a bar behind each pair of wheels meaning 3 bars will hold them all in place or they could be inbetween the legs depending how he wanted to go about it since both would be just as good since theres no steep hills or extreme curves.
I don’t care if you needed to build this or not. I just know that any time I see a WOW video about the railway popping up in my feed, I know I’m in for a real treat.
I love your channel, your track system, and you are brilliant with your design! Watching you problem solving in the video, and each iteration of your design is entertaining! If we had leadership around the world with even half of your ability to come up with solutions the whole world would be a better place! The big 37 year old kid would love to see a locomotive on your track system! I hope you keep sharing your intriguing life with all of us for many years to come!
I like to imagine Tim is like the iron Giant. Your neighbors are walking about and notice bits of metal missing from random locations. 😁 Or "nibbled from the ends" as Tim put it.
I love watching this project grow and thoroughly enjoy seeing your creations come to life. I might suggest building small platforms to help with loading and unloading. Something with a gentle ramp and a deck might make it easier to get the wheelborrows into the wagon and make pulling them out easier as well
Very clever and practical. A very large trebuchet that could loft vast quantities of poo huge distances at high speed, would be pointless but great fun- particularly after several pints!
This video is a good explanation of a railroad problem. When you need specific something to be hauled, standard cars might not work. So you have to order a specific car which exists in small numbers. And is booked for several months straight. And you cannot carry anything except that specific something with them.
Some lateral thinking . . . - - - 1) The ideal solution -- move items in convenient sized skips which are then later attach to a wheelbarrow base. --- In essense this is what happens with container lorries - stuff is moved in boxes - wheels are attached. -- I am sure you could design a quick release wheelbarrow base . . . would need a simple crane at each end. -- You could do this very easily; there would be mutiny if I briefly joined your team 🙂 - - - 2) You railway moves stuff on the ground . . . -- You could adopted the alpine approach for skiers . . . each truck is suspened from a wire stretched between towers - - - 3) Could the trucks fly through the air . . . - - - 4) I have enough mad ideas of my own but without doubt **helping** you would be both educational and mind blowing - - Transformative even 🙂 Best wishes for a speedy planting season
May i suggest you add some triangulation support bracing at both ends. Currently all the weight of your load is born on the two 90 degree welds on the box section that attaches to the truck hinge at both ends. Adding at least one, ideally two, diagonal bracing from where the hinge cross brace is, up to the tip of the peak where the top bar attaches would give it the additional rigidity i think it will probably need.
Your solutions are clever and interesting. I like the fact that you can use your bogeys for a variety of different cars. You can simply switch out the carriage. I suspect that you could fit quite a few containers on that car if you wanted.
The best part was seeing the children getting a ride! I'll bet they could be quite creative, being the engine drivers, setting the points to go where they wanted and such. That would make a great video!
The only thing missing is a push bar at both ends. Not the draw bar thing. Yet something like a hand rail so one can just stand up right while pushing. i do not think they would bump in to when turning on the switches. Either way what a super good plan and well thought out idea. Better than the boxes. The wheel barrels are going to work out well.. You could maybe build a fixed ramp right next to the rails where the muck pile is. Would only take a few hand full of bricks. some stone, and a few bags of cement. Then all you need is a small flap to drive the wheel barrels up on and in to the track thing. Think of the ramp like a bridge type thing. Would be a cheap project once you have a spare day with Will!
A pity I didn't see this sooner -- I'm sure I'm a bit too late... but my immediate thought upon seeing the fish-boxes was, if you had a few little wheeled trolleys, something like a wheelbarrow with a shelf instead of a barrow -- or those four-wheel garden carts you can get here in the USA (I have one for grocery shopping, oddly enough, from the days before my local public transit system got so bad that I had to stop using it) but without the sides -- you could use those with the fish-boxes. Load the boxes onto a flatbed version of your new gondola car that you've built for wheelbarrows -- prb easiest just to drop a couple sheets of plywood on top, that'd hold it (of course you'd have to bolt em down) -- load the fish-boxes with muck, railroad em off to the garden. Scooch each fish-box onto a trolley, wheel and dump... repeat :)
As soon as I saw you use that pipe section on the bogie top I said...this is the best thing you've ever made. The barrow carrier looked the best mode from the start. Brilliant
I STRONGLY urge you to put little 'chocks' on the pieces of wood where the wheelbarrow legs will sit. To stop them sliding off. But the whole thing, looks GRAND! ☮
I wish I was local, that looks like lots of fun. It would be nice to build something similar here in Wales but since my property is on about a 1 in 1 slope everything would soon end up down the bottom in the river. Then I'd need a stationary engine and a big winch to pull it all back up again! Thanks for the entertaining ideas though.
If you put a windlass of some sort at the kiln end (or pulleys) or at the garlic field end with a rope looping round and back down the track, you'd be able to winch loaded wagons up the track to where they need to go using a stationary engine or even actual horse power.
Tim, I see a weak point at the ends of the suspended carriage where the 2 short box sections are welded,; I suggest some triangulation from the top of the triangle to where the bogies pivot, to prevent the box welds being over-stressed. Otherwise a very good solution to your problem.
Great design, ramps need work though, more of those gutters, perhaps double thickness should work. We sought to have a competition to decide a name for your latest rolling stock. I'll start with the Gutterexpress☺️
personally what i would do, is push the wagon by the frame not the bogies, typical trains do it this way so the bogies stay free floating. What i would do is get some thin box section and stick it into the end of the frame, maybe with a pin so you can choose what side, and make it comfortable pushing height, with maybe a small hook at frame level for pulling if you wanted
Gussets on the main frame will reduce flex. Some tie down or clamp on the top center beam that could lock the wheel barrow handles to it will greatly improve stability and hopefully prevent any unexpected dismounts of the hoppers!
Transport the muck on a flat bed in the fish boxes, then tip each one or place each one onto a wheelbarrow to move it to the final place. All the storage of the fish boxes with the mobility of using a wheelbarrow.
How about building a small wheelbarrow style cart for moving around the fish boxes? If it has two wheels, then the box could be slid on and off at the front. The same train car could be used to carry the boxes if you turn the runners over. Wheel the box up to the car, slide the box onto the car, once the car is full, place the cart onto the top of the car to ride along to the destination, slide a box off the car straight onto the cart, wheel the cart through the garlic beds, tilt the cart up to slide off the box very quickly.
I would gonna suggest hanging several buckets (platic etc, if you can find) from two sides (with a rotating balancing rod in between) so that you can mini!aze the distance between two wagons and handle tight turns.
Some information/experience gained from back in the early days of small plasma cutters (we bought one of the very first Murex Trade Cut 6 plasma cutters) is that there are a couple of things that wear out plasma consumables quickly. 1) damp compressed air. It really is worth fitting a line dryer in this respect. 2) piercing holes as there is an increased incidence of material being thrown back into the nozzle assembly and ruining the orifice shape (which is vital to the effective constriction of the arc and the generation of the plasma column.) so if possible, and I realise that isn't always the case, try to start the cut at an edge.
Guess you could also pre-drill holes if you had to start a cut in the middle of a sheet. Some people put a sharpie as offset tool on their plasma cutter to mark lines they want to bend along, and you could also use it to mark a hole the machine knows the coordinates of.
@@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299 would it be possible to take the tip off and keep it in a dry box until you are ready to use it? Or maybe just put a plastic bag around it with some desiccant packs?
@@jdgindustries2734 the problem is not the tip getting moist, it is the moisture in the compressed air getting converted into plasma and forced through the tip...
@@jdgindustries2734 The problem is caused by moisture in the compressed air itself. It can form a droplet in the swirl section of the nozzle, disrupting the air flow. The plasma torch works by creating an arc between the electrode (inside the torch nozzle) and the work piece. The nozzle, which has a conical form internally, has air introduced through tangential holes near the widest part of the cone and these spiral down the cone and out through the hole in the nozzle. In doing so they constrict the arc tightly raising the temperature in the arc high enough to form the very hot plasma. The air also prevents the plasma from touching the nozzle. Any disruption of the air flow from a blocked radial hole or a badly shaped nozzle hole prevents the plasma from being constricted properly leaving to poor cutting and more damage to the nozzle. Tim has said that he's got suitable air drying in place so the rest is just the first of plasma cutting. We used to reckon on about 20 pence every time you started a new cut. Air plasma isn't the cheapest cutting technology out there but it works well and the initial costs aren't too horrendous.
Sir, that is the last solution I expected. So a couple of pallets should make a loading ramp station for you. Tempted to catch the ferry and help. Thank you.
Wondering if, instead of loading from the side, at the end of the rail on the loading side you had a ramp/bumper that the bogie could bump into. Then the barrows can be loaded front to back one after the other, like shown in the diagrams you've provided, allowing for just enough space for a person to pick up each barrow for unloading at the other end. Then at the offloading end you have another ramp/bumper that allows for unloading in a front to back orientation. Allows for the slimmest loading orientation, no catching handles along the way, and loading and unloading in the desired orientation at each end. Really enjoying your videos and your skills. Very inspiring. Thanks.
This could be a good application for a MONORAIL! One rail between each bed, and boxes with the double flanged wheels on the bottom to run on it. Then you have the boxes loaded across the wagon, with a short section of rail at 90 degrees to the girders, and use it like a traverser- one runs onto a ramp, and then along the bed to where it is needed. Or multiple boxes, or however you wanted. You could I suppose use wooden rails to reduce the costs and time too.
Every time I see this little railway grow It makes me Incredibly Happy. I've always wanted one of my own and seeing you guys do so and have such fun is amazing. And as a bit of a side note, Now that there are Bogie Trucks, there could be a future project of Bogie Coaches or at least a truck with a seat for Railway Helpers.
Interesting direction. Perhaps making dedicated ramps for the wheelbarrows would be a good addition. Maybe addition some bungie cord lashing that extends from the center beam to the outer edge of the barrows would reduce undesirable rocking. I am a bit surprised you didn't op for a traditional hopper design but I suppose there is not enough room to unload the hopper onto wheelbarrows near the greenhouse. Keep up the good work!
@@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299 Not necessarily. The concept I was thinking would be an open top hopper with a sliding gate or two at the bottom to load the wheelbarrows. Whether to unload directly (requiring room to place a wheelbarrow under the gate) or have some form of mechanism to move the discharged load would be the next project.
What about making a modular wheel barrow, which could pick up interchangeable muck boxes. The train just moves the boxes, two modular wheel barrows live at both destinations. the modular wheel barrow could consist of a box/H frame with two spaced wheels on one end and handles on the other. In the middle there'd be some kind of pin or strap to pick up the standardized muck boxes. Depending on the mounting the muck boxes could even be tipped out while moving.
depending on the length of the modular wheel barrow frame, and the location of the muck box lifting pin, it could also be used to lift the boxes onto and off of the rail cart with lots of leverage.
I'd make longtitudal gutters for the wheel barrow legs to stand in, then they can stand in any position. weld them to the wheel barrow wheel gutters with some cross braces, and that should give you a sturdy construction imho.
To the order of big operations the use of temporary track work. make some wood track panels that can be moved ez by yourself,with less compaction to the garden then move to the next section
Pretty cool. It was interesting to see all the possible iterations you went through, and what you came up with. You may need something to lock the wheel barrow legs in so they don’t slip off, but so far it seemed to not need that.
What about a counterbalenced crane at both ends of the track or even over a bogie for lifting the wheelbarrows on and off? You could use one wheelbarow to counterbalance the other(s) on and off - or a wheelled weight. You already have plenty of steel etc and even a railway to transport the crane bits to their sites.
Wonderful! Notwithstanding your development work, have you considered using fishboxes as the muck carrying units then making a skid to drag them or perhaps a modified wheelbarrow? The fishboxes would be easy to fill being on the ground, not elevated as a wheelbarrow, they could be dragged to the rail head and stacked on a flat bed, which is pushed to the garlic beds. Then the fishboxes are cross loaded to the modified wheelbarrow, taken out onto tbe beds and tipped directly to where it is needed.
the thing about the wheelbarrows is, they already have a frame, and fulcrums on both sides for handy raising. a hook in the front to catch the bit in front of the wheel, and 2 in the back for catching the handles, and you could drive perpendicular to the rails until the front hits the hook, tilt it over the legs so the wheel raises a bit to engage the hook, then lifting on the handles to catch those hooks and the whole wheelbarrow now hovers just over the rails. the rest of the frame is than just a bridge in tension, which I beams are great at. no side to side stiffness needed. the centre of gravity for each wheelbarrow will be as low as it can be as well. having said all that, this will probably work fine:)
Could you make something like a ground driven muck spreader wagon where the conveyor bed, instead of shoving the muck into the spinning spreaders, just tips it off the end into a waiting barrow. It could be driven with an appropriately geared bicycle rigged up, or even your engine. Just an idea! Barrow wagon is very good too.
Muck runner...We know them as stone boats for moving stones out of rocky fields that and slip scrapers and either a tractor or strong horse gets a LOT done
I really enjoy watching your channel, you have brilliant ideas, the coolest thing is your locomotive and the route that goes with it. Unfortunately I don't understand English but you have a great explanatory voice and keep up the good work with your projects.
Is anyone else picturing this cart hauling track-parts when a long extension is made to the line? Also now wondering if a wooden pallet could be used for improvised planking for being used as a long low-riding flatbed. Time permitting (so, very much later) chaining a pair of carriages between 3 bogies together would save on building one bogie if you ever need to build a second one.
Try using plastics drums mount them in a saddle with one side attached so that they can tipped to unload loading point should be in a fairly scharp curve, good luck.i
I would suggest designing the bogie wagon with flexibility in mind Building it to carry the wheel barrows for this specific job is great, but what about the rest of the time? It will be useless. If you are willing to make some compromises you may be able to make an "all around good carrying thing" which you will have more uses for.
*@Way Out West - Workshop Stuff* I think this is a wrong solution, but anyway for your consideration: I was considering a box with some shape suitable for a hand truck & compact stacking, it would probably be a tall & slim design, but the one side is a door, so you can lay it down to load it (don't have to lift as high) & then stand it up (compact storage on transport), and then you can either just open the door & let it all flow out, or push it off & turn it upside down & lifting. Also, I think an additional problem will be the weight, it will make the wheels of the hand truck dig into the dirt & get stuck. I think your solution is much better.
Glad you went with the wheel barrows. As someone who moves 10-20 cubic meters of wood chip about the place a year, would hate to be attempting this without a wheelbarrow. They make everything much easier and quick compared to anything else. I was wondering if there could be some roll on - roll off type arrangement but I'm sure you will optimize this in due course. Would love to pop over to help, but I am literally as far away as possible, down here in New Zealand!
Just a thought Tim... Why not have a central depository for the muck where you could liquify the material in 55 gallon drums and then pump the mixture to the fields and spray it over the surface quite easily. It seems that this method might save labor in the long run. You won't always be as young as you are now. 😁
traditionally ..loads of this nature .....mines and ores and railways use a bottom discharging wagon or a dumping wagon . ore carts usually have a tilting bucket mounted on a turntable on bogies thats more your scale larger would be coal car type bottom discharge either hinged bottom or sliding panels. the wheelbarrow option dosnt seem the the way to do it you could just walk them as fast as loading and unloading them alone. a single bottom discharge or side discharge box will deliver more . thanks for the videos
Look at ways to make it easy for you, like that screw thread on the charcoal burner could be repurposed as a lifting mechanism to load the wagon and save the work of lifting the manure by hand and you could use a drop sided wagon that you can load easily that can carry a wheelbarrow. You drop the side to load into the wheelbarrow and then that removes a lot of the heavy lifting.
Think buckets! Lots of them. Easy to fill, easy to load, low center of gravity, and you can weld a v-shaped, one-wheel barrow contraption to move one bucket between the plants and not carry them so far. Cheers - Folker
@@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299 Damn! But perhaps the large kind used to mix concrete in (20 l), from the home center, will fit the bill? They're still somewhat easy to carry, cheap, and sturdier, too. Those wheelbarrows strike me as rather unwieldy and I find the high center of gravity on the railcar problematic. So easy to tip over.
@@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299 P.S. How about a trebuchet. Skip the railroad and deliver the muck by air freight. Some of that good Irish whiskey might help with the calibration of the proper aim. Now there's a video that would go viral 🤣
@@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299 so basically you need to build the flat car to hold eight fishboxes for every wheelbarrow. But the boxes are easier to load and will be more stable, and you'd only need one or two barrows instead of four or six.
Why not combine with your monorail on the beds? 1. easy to remove when Finish 2. unload bogie to monorail- use fork to slide directly on monorailwagon 3. low point of mass on monorail so unloading and upload can be done with just a rake I think monorail has a lot of aplications for load as big as a wheelbarow.
I think your solution is an excellent one. That bender is such a good thing...............also your plasma cutter. A shed full of machines is just that without the ingenuity that you so obviously possess. Will you make up a ramp to load and unload as those bits of wood are just a recipe for exhaustion and possibly an injury.
It's good that you have lots of technically astute admirers, because all I can say is 'amazing!!" Although I do wonder (again, technical insight zero here) whether it wouldn't be easier to just load a cart full of manure and have Flora pull it to the garlic bed............
I suggest you build a second Double Bogie Wagon the same size then you could carry 4 upto 8 wheel barrels with 4 on ecah one and in the further you buid could some passenger boxs that sit on the Double Bogie Wagons and then give visitors rides on your garden railway for a small fee if you want too.
a low slung flat cart ie: sheet of exterior ply over top the gutters , would hold the wheel barrows, just as easy and could hold boxes, crates, buckets,, planting trays, harvested garlic , ect, and could still take a single row of wheelbarrows in your later years, longevity of use as you can no longer move full loads,
I am wondering: side to side stability is achieved through 1: balance of both loaded sides, 2: low center of gravity, 3: wide console the whole frame rests upon on both carts supported at the sides. But the 3rd works only on straights, in tighter curves it may have the tendency to wobble. Also: loading and unloading may be easier if the wagon would have capability to lower the frame - with something like a leaver, 1 side should be enough. This whole budget railway is fascinating.
Just a thought. You are very handy , so maybe a homemade paddle belt that could swing out and empty a hopper car. Like I said just a idea. Anyway love seeing your railway creations. You will need to name your railroad soon.
Seems you could do what the rest of the world has come to, containerize. Make two carriages with a long body (don't put the carriages at the extreme ends so that they do the sharp corners better) and put a swivel gantry on it in the middle to lift your containers off. Have an undercarriage at the garden to pop the units onto. Want to get fancier make the carriage a side dump so you can dump as you pull it along the rows. Just like the containers going onto a semi truck flatbed at the shipping terminals.
Excellent, I love the paint! Now. How are you gonna get the wheelbarrows on easily? I personally would've made more of the little boat things and just put them on a flatcar of some kind, but this works, too! You also mentioned hills, and that makes me think of a question: do any of your cars have brakes? Runaway rolling stock is never good. I know they don't have anywhere to go now, but I think some simple brakes could nip that problem in the bud. A delightful project! I'm always glad to see new episodes!
id suggest cutting parts of the sides of the gurders off to make it easier to load, since you dont need the whole thing, and strengthening the rest with a bit of those i beams in their proper orientation
Sweet Dory boat! IDK, I think a plain outside frame bogie flatcar with a ramp for loading & unloading at either end would have been a more practical way to go. If you had the lineside clearance there is no reason it couldn’t be less than 4’ wide. American 2’ narrow gauge cars were 6’ wide.
Outside frame bogies. Tho thinking about you would have to have some kind of support roller or pad, that would give a much wider foot print & thus more stable.@@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299
Congratulations on opening the first intermodal terminal on your railway. At this growth rate you might beat out your national rail in a decade or two ;D
He's already beating capital development on american freight railways
@@deathclawow : llolololololololol it's funny because it's true
@@deathclawow I think that you had better subscribe to Trains magazine for a year or two to learn the reality of your comment. The freight railroads have good access to capital for projects, it's the passenger and commuter railroads that have the problems of accessing money for capital expenditure.
@@markfryer9880 Although "they," meaning people who wear suits, have access to lots of capital, "they" don't seem to make good decisions on how to spend it to support people who wear reflective yellow and orange... or their customers, too.
@@markfryer9880 and an example to disprove you on a second point (whether or not it's indicative of all municipal transportation agenencies) the MBTA just finished 5 years of trackwork on the Orange subway line in 30 days, and sent 30 F40PHs to Boise for rebuilds, and let's not forget the Green Line Extension, Beverly and Natick Center stations... or Worcester, the new platform at Ruggles... They're getting things done fore sure. The reason it takes so long is union labor.
You need a gauge interchange! Make up a garden monorail at both ends, higher up, so you can roll the monocarts onto the bogey cart.
Of course, you've done the wheelbarrow thing already, so ...
Great design!
Good to see even large channels like you appreciate Tim's ingenuity.
Thank you!
@@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299 Oh by the way i had a thought. What about rope tows for the heavier rolling stock? Seems much cheaper and easier than a locomotive short term. Have a thick rope that loops around with a piece you can couple to the front of the carriage where the pull bar goes.
If i lived nearby i would literally pay to come help lay down the rails! Such an awesome project!
I'd say the supporting planks underneath could do with a front and back stop, so they keep the wheelbarrow legs from sliding backwards and forwards while you're moving.
Other than that, great stuff :)
Yes something sprung that the legs simply click into
@@ralpha679 or an even simplier design is having a hole drilled in the tracks and a bar behind each pair of wheels meaning 3 bars will hold them all in place or they could be inbetween the legs depending how he wanted to go about it since both would be just as good since theres no steep hills or extreme curves.
I don’t care if you needed to build this or not. I just know that any time I see a WOW video about the railway popping up in my feed, I know I’m in for a real treat.
I love your channel, your track system, and you are brilliant with your design! Watching you problem solving in the video, and each iteration of your design is entertaining! If we had leadership around the world with even half of your ability to come up with solutions the whole world would be a better place! The big 37 year old kid would love to see a locomotive on your track system! I hope you keep sharing your intriguing life with all of us for many years to come!
I like to imagine Tim is like the iron Giant.
Your neighbors are walking about and notice bits of metal missing from random locations. 😁
Or "nibbled from the ends" as Tim put it.
I love watching this project grow and thoroughly enjoy seeing your creations come to life. I might suggest building small platforms to help with loading and unloading. Something with a gentle ramp and a deck might make it easier to get the wheelborrows into the wagon and make pulling them out easier as well
Indeed ... a more modest version of Le Shuttle's side-loading vehicle ramp system should do the trick.
Very clever and practical.
A very large trebuchet that could loft vast quantities of poo huge distances at high speed, would be pointless but great fun- particularly after several pints!
This video is a good explanation of a railroad problem. When you need specific something to be hauled, standard cars might not work. So you have to order a specific car which exists in small numbers. And is booked for several months straight. And you cannot carry anything except that specific something with them.
This may be for your livelihood but that doesn’t stop it from being an incredibly cool project
Some lateral thinking . . .
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1) The ideal solution -- move items in convenient sized skips which are then later attach to a wheelbarrow base.
--- In essense this is what happens with container lorries - stuff is moved in boxes - wheels are attached.
-- I am sure you could design a quick release wheelbarrow base . . . would need a simple crane at each end.
-- You could do this very easily; there would be mutiny if I briefly joined your team 🙂
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2) You railway moves stuff on the ground . . .
-- You could adopted the alpine approach for skiers . . . each truck is suspened from a wire stretched between towers
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3) Could the trucks fly through the air . . .
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4) I have enough mad ideas of my own but without doubt **helping** you would be both educational and mind blowing
- - Transformative even 🙂
Best wishes for a speedy planting season
May i suggest you add some triangulation support bracing at both ends. Currently all the weight of your load is born on the two 90 degree welds on the box section that attaches to the truck hinge at both ends. Adding at least one, ideally two, diagonal bracing from where the hinge cross brace is, up to the tip of the peak where the top bar attaches would give it the additional rigidity i think it will probably need.
Your solutions are clever and interesting. I like the fact that you can use your bogeys for a variety of different cars. You can simply switch out the carriage. I suspect that you could fit quite a few containers on that car if you wanted.
It should also make bogie repairs easier as well. It might be a good idea to make a third bogie as a spare incase of a break down.
The best part was seeing the children getting a ride! I'll bet they could be quite creative, being the engine drivers, setting the points to go where they wanted and such. That would make a great video!
The only thing missing is a push bar at both ends. Not the draw bar thing. Yet something like a hand rail so one can just stand up right while pushing. i do not think they would bump in to when turning on the switches.
Either way what a super good plan and well thought out idea. Better than the boxes. The wheel barrels are going to work out well..
You could maybe build a fixed ramp right next to the rails where the muck pile is. Would only take a few hand full of bricks. some stone, and a few bags of cement. Then all you need is a small flap to drive the wheel barrels up on and in to the track thing. Think of the ramp like a bridge type thing. Would be a cheap project once you have a spare day with Will!
A pity I didn't see this sooner -- I'm sure I'm a bit too late... but my immediate thought upon seeing the fish-boxes was, if you had a few little wheeled trolleys, something like a wheelbarrow with a shelf instead of a barrow -- or those four-wheel garden carts you can get here in the USA (I have one for grocery shopping, oddly enough, from the days before my local public transit system got so bad that I had to stop using it) but without the sides -- you could use those with the fish-boxes.
Load the boxes onto a flatbed version of your new gondola car that you've built for wheelbarrows -- prb easiest just to drop a couple sheets of plywood on top, that'd hold it (of course you'd have to bolt em down) -- load the fish-boxes with muck, railroad em off to the garden. Scooch each fish-box onto a trolley, wheel and dump... repeat :)
As soon as I saw you use that pipe section on the bogie top I said...this is the best thing you've ever made. The barrow carrier looked the best mode from the start. Brilliant
Your voice is so calming and your invention so neat to watch develop!
You need to build a trebuchet Tim and just fling the muck from the heap to the beds, it should disperse nicely as it goes through the air !🤭
I STRONGLY urge you to put little 'chocks' on the pieces of wood where the wheelbarrow legs will sit.
To stop them sliding off.
But the whole thing, looks GRAND!
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I wish I was local, that looks like lots of fun. It would be nice to build something similar here in Wales but since my property is on about a 1 in 1 slope everything would soon end up down the bottom in the river. Then I'd need a stationary engine and a big winch to pull it all back up again! Thanks for the entertaining ideas though.
Incredible job you've done! Can't wait to see Tornado pull that wagon around. Would be quite the excitement!
If you put a windlass of some sort at the kiln end (or pulleys) or at the garlic field end with a rope looping round and back down the track, you'd be able to winch loaded wagons up the track to where they need to go using a stationary engine or even actual horse power.
Tim, I see a weak point at the ends of the suspended carriage where the 2 short box sections are welded,; I suggest some triangulation from the top of the triangle to where the bogies pivot, to prevent the box welds being over-stressed. Otherwise a very good solution to your problem.
You inspired me to build a train myself. It is for trash cans and you can see a bit of progress on my TH-cam channel. Greetings from Germany!
Excellent! Interesting tracks too..
Getting there...material handlers are pro...Will need a maintenance plan and OHS system priced up...definite progress here
It does my heart good to watch an update from the WOW Workshop railway
Great design, ramps need work though, more of those gutters, perhaps double thickness should work.
We sought to have a competition to decide a name for your latest rolling stock. I'll start with the Gutterexpress☺️
How much fun!! Starting to look more like a railway
personally what i would do, is push the wagon by the frame not the bogies, typical trains do it this way so the bogies stay free floating. What i would do is get some thin box section and stick it into the end of the frame, maybe with a pin so you can choose what side, and make it comfortable pushing height, with maybe a small hook at frame level for pulling if you wanted
Gussets on the main frame will reduce flex. Some tie down or clamp on the top center beam that could lock the wheel barrow handles to it will greatly improve stability and hopefully prevent any unexpected dismounts of the hoppers!
Transport the muck on a flat bed in the fish boxes, then tip each one or place each one onto a wheelbarrow to move it to the final place. All the storage of the fish boxes with the mobility of using a wheelbarrow.
How about building a small wheelbarrow style cart for moving around the fish boxes? If it has two wheels, then the box could be slid on and off at the front. The same train car could be used to carry the boxes if you turn the runners over. Wheel the box up to the car, slide the box onto the car, once the car is full, place the cart onto the top of the car to ride along to the destination, slide a box off the car straight onto the cart, wheel the cart through the garlic beds, tilt the cart up to slide off the box very quickly.
Yep - that could work too.
I would gonna suggest hanging several buckets (platic etc, if you can find) from two sides (with a rotating balancing rod in between) so that you can mini!aze the distance between two wagons and handle tight turns.
What an absolutely brilliant project this is! It's been incredible watching this whole thing come to life. Can't wait to see where you take this next!
all coming together nicely
Some information/experience gained from back in the early days of small plasma cutters (we bought one of the very first Murex Trade Cut 6 plasma cutters) is that there are a couple of things that wear out plasma consumables quickly. 1) damp compressed air. It really is worth fitting a line dryer in this respect. 2) piercing holes as there is an increased incidence of material being thrown back into the nozzle assembly and ruining the orifice shape (which is vital to the effective constriction of the arc and the generation of the plasma column.) so if possible, and I realise that isn't always the case, try to start the cut at an edge.
Guess you could also pre-drill holes if you had to start a cut in the middle of a sheet. Some people put a sharpie as offset tool on their plasma cutter to mark lines they want to bend along, and you could also use it to mark a hole the machine knows the coordinates of.
Thanks, David. As you know, it's not always possible to start on the edge, but I do try. And yes I have both a paper dryer and a refrigerator dryer
@@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299 would it be possible to take the tip off and keep it in a dry box until you are ready to use it? Or maybe just put a plastic bag around it with some desiccant packs?
@@jdgindustries2734 the problem is not the tip getting moist, it is the moisture in the compressed air getting converted into plasma and forced through the tip...
@@jdgindustries2734 The problem is caused by moisture in the compressed air itself. It can form a droplet in the swirl section of the nozzle, disrupting the air flow. The plasma torch works by creating an arc between the electrode (inside the torch nozzle) and the work piece. The nozzle, which has a conical form internally, has air introduced through tangential holes near the widest part of the cone and these spiral down the cone and out through the hole in the nozzle. In doing so they constrict the arc tightly raising the temperature in the arc high enough to form the very hot plasma. The air also prevents the plasma from touching the nozzle. Any disruption of the air flow from a blocked radial hole or a badly shaped nozzle hole prevents the plasma from being constricted properly leaving to poor cutting and more damage to the nozzle.
Tim has said that he's got suitable air drying in place so the rest is just the first of plasma cutting. We used to reckon on about 20 pence every time you started a new cut. Air plasma isn't the cheapest cutting technology out there but it works well and the initial costs aren't too horrendous.
Sir, that is the last solution I expected. So a couple of pallets should make a loading ramp station for you.
Tempted to catch the ferry and help.
Thank you.
If you build your rail cars any bigger, you're gonna need a locomotive to move em. 🤪
Cool ideas. Love your channel.
Smoother than Southern Rail
Always makes my day seeing new videos from this channel, i cant explain it, they always have such a calming aura to them
Put a support from top of angle section to turning point on wheel cart, to keep from having bending there.
Wondering if, instead of loading from the side, at the end of the rail on the loading side you had a ramp/bumper that the bogie could bump into. Then the barrows can be loaded front to back one after the other, like shown in the diagrams you've provided, allowing for just enough space for a person to pick up each barrow for unloading at the other end. Then at the offloading end you have another ramp/bumper that allows for unloading in a front to back orientation. Allows for the slimmest loading orientation, no catching handles along the way, and loading and unloading in the desired orientation at each end.
Really enjoying your videos and your skills. Very inspiring. Thanks.
This could be a good application for a MONORAIL! One rail between each bed, and boxes with the double flanged wheels on the bottom to run on it.
Then you have the boxes loaded across the wagon, with a short section of rail at 90 degrees to the girders, and use it like a traverser- one runs onto a ramp, and then along the bed to where it is needed. Or multiple boxes, or however you wanted.
You could I suppose use wooden rails to reduce the costs and time too.
I'm thinking about that too - so many choices!
Every time I see this little railway grow It makes me Incredibly Happy. I've always wanted one of my own and seeing you guys do so and have such fun is amazing. And as a bit of a side note, Now that there are Bogie Trucks, there could be a future project of Bogie Coaches or at least a truck with a seat for Railway Helpers.
Interesting direction. Perhaps making dedicated ramps for the wheelbarrows would be a good addition. Maybe addition some bungie cord lashing that extends from the center beam to the outer edge of the barrows would reduce undesirable rocking.
I am a bit surprised you didn't op for a traditional hopper design but I suppose there is not enough room to unload the hopper onto wheelbarrows near the greenhouse.
Keep up the good work!
Hoppers would need to be very high to tip into a wheelbarrow though
@@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299 Not necessarily.
The concept I was thinking would be an open top hopper with a sliding gate or two at the bottom to load the wheelbarrows.
Whether to unload directly (requiring room to place a wheelbarrow under the gate) or have some form of mechanism to move the discharged load would be the next project.
The new railcar is looking great.
Must be something in the water up your way bro ya always coming up with something that works. Safe travels
What about making a modular wheel barrow, which could pick up interchangeable muck boxes. The train just moves the boxes, two modular wheel barrows live at both destinations.
the modular wheel barrow could consist of a box/H frame with two spaced wheels on one end and handles on the other. In the middle there'd be some kind of pin or strap to pick up the standardized muck boxes. Depending on the mounting the muck boxes could even be tipped out while moving.
depending on the length of the modular wheel barrow frame, and the location of the muck box lifting pin, it could also be used to lift the boxes onto and off of the rail cart with lots of leverage.
Maybe think about adding 1 more piece of box section to each side from the top of the triangle down to the kingpin pivot
I'd make longtitudal gutters for the wheel barrow legs to stand in, then they can stand in any position. weld them to the wheel barrow wheel gutters with some cross braces, and that should give you a sturdy construction imho.
To the order of big operations the use of temporary track work. make some wood track panels that can be moved ez by yourself,with less compaction to the garden then move to the next section
Pretty cool. It was interesting to see all the possible iterations you went through, and what you came up with. You may need something to lock the wheel barrow legs in so they don’t slip off, but so far it seemed to not need that.
It struck me that using this configuration you could also move logs around. Looking really interesting, I like this concept.
Brilliant stuff as usual. I wish I could be there with all the fresh air, quite and countryside.
What about a counterbalenced crane at both ends of the track or even over a bogie for lifting the wheelbarrows on and off? You could use one wheelbarow to counterbalance the other(s) on and off - or a wheelled weight. You already have plenty of steel etc and even a railway to transport the crane bits to their sites.
Wonderful!
Notwithstanding your development work, have you considered using fishboxes as the muck carrying units then making a skid to drag them or perhaps a modified wheelbarrow?
The fishboxes would be easy to fill being on the ground, not elevated as a wheelbarrow, they could be dragged to the rail head and stacked on a flat bed, which is pushed to the garlic beds. Then the fishboxes are cross loaded to the modified wheelbarrow, taken out onto tbe beds and tipped directly to where it is needed.
What fun! I bet you can smell the profit (and the muck)
the thing about the wheelbarrows is, they already have a frame, and fulcrums on both sides for handy raising. a hook in the front to catch the bit in front of the wheel, and 2 in the back for catching the handles, and you could drive perpendicular to the rails until the front hits the hook, tilt it over the legs so the wheel raises a bit to engage the hook, then lifting on the handles to catch those hooks and the whole wheelbarrow now hovers just over the rails. the rest of the frame is than just a bridge in tension, which I beams are great at. no side to side stiffness needed. the centre of gravity for each wheelbarrow will be as low as it can be as well.
having said all that, this will probably work fine:)
Hm. I suppose that is technically the simplest solution, assuming you have a bunch of interchangeable wherlbarrows
You're right! Excellent idea. So why didn't you tell me last week?? : - )
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Could you make something like a ground driven muck spreader wagon where the conveyor bed, instead of shoving the muck into the spinning spreaders, just tips it off the end into a waiting barrow. It could be driven with an appropriately geared bicycle rigged up, or even your engine. Just an idea! Barrow wagon is very good too.
Muck runner...We know them as stone boats for moving stones out of rocky fields
that and slip scrapers and either a tractor or strong horse gets a LOT done
I really enjoy watching your channel, you have brilliant ideas, the coolest thing is your locomotive and the route that goes with it. Unfortunately I don't understand English but you have a great explanatory voice and keep up the good work with your projects.
Thanks for listening! 😁 May not have aired them but I had concerns as well 😬
Is anyone else picturing this cart hauling track-parts when a long extension is made to the line?
Also now wondering if a wooden pallet could be used for improvised planking for being used as a long low-riding flatbed.
Time permitting (so, very much later) chaining a pair of carriages between 3 bogies together would save on building one bogie if you ever need to build a second one.
Try using plastics drums mount them in a saddle with one side attached so that they can tipped to unload loading point should be in a fairly scharp curve, good luck.i
I would suggest designing the bogie wagon with flexibility in mind
Building it to carry the wheel barrows for this specific job is great, but what about the rest of the time? It will be useless. If you are willing to make some compromises you may be able to make an "all around good carrying thing" which you will have more uses for.
*@Way Out West - Workshop Stuff* I think this is a wrong solution, but anyway for your consideration:
I was considering a box with some shape suitable for a hand truck & compact stacking, it would probably be a tall & slim design, but the one side is a door, so you can lay it down to load it (don't have to lift as high) & then stand it up (compact storage on transport), and then you can either just open the door & let it all flow out, or push it off & turn it upside down & lifting.
Also, I think an additional problem will be the weight, it will make the wheels of the hand truck dig into the dirt & get stuck.
I think your solution is much better.
Glad you went with the wheel barrows. As someone who moves 10-20 cubic meters of wood chip about the place a year, would hate to be attempting this without a wheelbarrow. They make everything much easier and quick compared to anything else.
I was wondering if there could be some roll on - roll off type arrangement but I'm sure you will optimize this in due course. Would love to pop over to help, but I am literally as far away as possible, down here in New Zealand!
Thanks, David. Yes, wheelbarrows are marvelous machines, for sure
Just a thought Tim... Why not have a central depository for the muck where you could liquify the material in 55 gallon drums and then pump the mixture to the fields and spray it over the surface quite easily. It seems that this method might save labor in the long run. You won't always be as young as you are now. 😁
Thanks, Jerry. I'm already older than that! I must find out more about the mincing/pumping of slurry and how expensive that might be to set up
traditionally ..loads of this nature .....mines and ores and railways use a bottom discharging wagon or a dumping wagon . ore carts usually have a tilting bucket mounted on a turntable on bogies thats more your scale larger would be coal car type bottom discharge either hinged bottom or sliding panels. the wheelbarrow option dosnt seem the the way to do it you could just walk them as fast as loading and unloading them alone. a single bottom discharge or side discharge box will deliver more . thanks for the videos
Very good. Only suggestion I have is to have some lugs on the boards that you can use to tie down the side legs of the wheelbarrows.
looks good so far
You may need to consider an arial way to bring your containers from the muck bed to the rail.
Glad that our input in the minimal gauge railways Facebook group was helpful!
Of course - I always learn something from your posts, Colin. I just hope you don't get any new members who don't understand your ethos
You have certainly advertised the minimal group we have picked up a few new members today
I hope that's a good thing?
@@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299 most definitely spreading the word is great
Look at ways to make it easy for you, like that screw thread on the charcoal burner could be repurposed as a lifting mechanism to load the wagon and save the work of lifting the manure by hand and you could use a drop sided wagon that you can load easily that can carry a wheelbarrow. You drop the side to load into the wheelbarrow and then that removes a lot of the heavy lifting.
Think buckets! Lots of them. Easy to fill, easy to load, low center of gravity, and you can weld a v-shaped, one-wheel barrow contraption to move one bucket between the plants and not carry them so far. Cheers - Folker
I'll need around 100 wheelbarrow loads this year - so around 800 bucketfuls?
@@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299 Damn! But perhaps the large kind used to mix concrete in (20 l), from the home center, will fit the bill? They're still somewhat easy to carry, cheap, and sturdier, too. Those wheelbarrows strike me as rather unwieldy and I find the high center of gravity on the railcar problematic. So easy to tip over.
@@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299 P.S. How about a trebuchet. Skip the railroad and deliver the muck by air freight. Some of that good Irish whiskey might help with the calibration of the proper aim. Now there's a video that would go viral 🤣
@@folkerwulff wohoo ! a muck trebuchet !!!! OHHHH YEAHHH
@@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299 so basically you need to build the flat car to hold eight fishboxes for every wheelbarrow. But the boxes are easier to load and will be more stable, and you'd only need one or two barrows instead of four or six.
How about addng bearing blocks on the outboard ends of the frame.
They can slide on the pipe section and support the frame.
Why not combine with your monorail on the beds?
1. easy to remove when Finish
2. unload bogie to monorail- use fork to slide directly on monorailwagon
3. low point of mass on monorail so unloading and upload can be done with just a rake
I think monorail has a lot of aplications for load as big as a wheelbarow.
I think your solution is an excellent one. That bender is such a good thing...............also your plasma cutter. A shed full of machines is just that without the ingenuity that you so obviously possess. Will you make up a ramp to load and unload as those bits of wood are just a recipe for exhaustion and possibly an injury.
It's good that you have lots of technically astute admirers, because all I can say is 'amazing!!" Although I do wonder (again, technical insight zero here) whether it wouldn't be easier to just load a cart full of manure and have Flora pull it to the garlic bed............
Yes, well, you could be right, Elisabeth. That's the way we've done ot for many years, but perhaps this way will work too
I suggest you build a second Double Bogie Wagon the same size then you could carry 4 upto 8 wheel barrels with 4 on ecah one and in the further you buid could some passenger boxs that sit on the Double Bogie Wagons and then give visitors rides on your garden railway for a small fee if you want too.
I'd love to see you convert an old stationary motor into an engine cart for your system.
Loading, unloading and fun... hear me out... Muck Trebuchet...
Weld a bar between the legs of the wheel barrow so you don't need the plank of wood for the legs to stand on
a low slung flat cart ie: sheet of exterior ply over top the gutters , would hold the wheel barrows, just as easy and could hold boxes, crates, buckets,, planting trays, harvested garlic , ect, and could still take a single row of wheelbarrows in your later years, longevity of use as you can no longer move full loads,
Of course, but I was just trying to get the centre of gravity as low as possible
I am wondering: side to side stability is achieved through 1: balance of both loaded sides, 2: low center of gravity, 3: wide console the whole frame rests upon on both carts supported at the sides. But the 3rd works only on straights, in tighter curves it may have the tendency to wobble.
Also: loading and unloading may be easier if the wagon would have capability to lower the frame - with something like a leaver, 1 side should be enough.
This whole budget railway is fascinating.
Just a thought. You are very handy , so maybe a homemade paddle belt that could swing out and empty a hopper car. Like I said just a idea. Anyway love seeing your railway creations. You will need to name your railroad soon.
Seems you could do what the rest of the world has come to, containerize. Make two carriages with a long body (don't put the carriages at the extreme ends so that they do the sharp corners better) and put a swivel gantry on it in the middle to lift your containers off. Have an undercarriage at the garden to pop the units onto. Want to get fancier make the carriage a side dump so you can dump as you pull it along the rows. Just like the containers going onto a semi truck flatbed at the shipping terminals.
Nice pan brake you've made there Tim.
you should call the large Bender the back breaker
Genius invention, bravo
Hi Tim. Great work 😊
Excellent, I love the paint!
Now. How are you gonna get the wheelbarrows on easily?
I personally would've made more of the little boat things and just put them on a flatcar of some kind, but this works, too!
You also mentioned hills, and that makes me think of a question: do any of your cars have brakes?
Runaway rolling stock is never good. I know they don't have anywhere to go now, but I think some simple brakes could nip that problem in the bud.
A delightful project! I'm always glad to see new episodes!
id suggest cutting parts of the sides of the gurders off to make it easier to load, since you dont need the whole thing, and strengthening the rest with a bit of those i beams in their proper orientation
Sweet Dory boat!
IDK, I think a plain outside frame bogie flatcar with a ramp for loading & unloading at either end would have been a more practical way to go.
If you had the lineside clearance there is no reason it couldn’t be less than 4’ wide.
American 2’ narrow gauge cars were 6’ wide.
I think I know what you mean by outside frame - but that would mean extra long girders, surely?
Outside frame bogies.
Tho thinking about you would have to have some kind of support roller or pad, that would give a much wider foot print & thus more stable.@@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299
Wonderful array logistics. At this rate a full array of rolling stock.