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The city of Huntsville in Alabama has a robust system of these overpass roads. It is quite impressive if you are looking for good examples!
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Hey , when somebody is stoping in giveway sign very much ,just put traffic light for 3 sec and then take the traffic light off, it fix my problem every time and i hope it will fix yours. And if it fixed put my name in anything in your city ‘pabbi’
yumbltv will show you all those intersections you are doing now as well as a few more you could do like 4 ways with the straight through being a bridge for one and a tunnel for the other.
9:23 Setting the timed traffic light automatically also sets the lane arrows: you reset all your manual arrow settings right there.
and at 17:11
Biffa had always did/does this; for years now, with many other commenters pointing it out. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@Andrei-Razvan Tutuianu He knows it drives us insane to see it, and he just pretends he doesn't 😂
27:44: You need a node between the two "bridges", because now u r forcing people coming from right above to stay on the lane over the next junction without giving them permission to use the next crossing into your Building-areas to "north" and "south".
(Sorry for my bad english - Im not a native speaker ^^)
Okay forget about that: in 29:46 u can see this part of the road and the cars a doing a weird maneuver before entering the second "bridge" and changing lane to use the crossing. But it looks a bit strange :D
your English is better than most English people so dont worry :)
I wish my German were as good as your English.
I thought the same like you, there must be a node. Otherwise the cars continue to do the odd lane-switching just at the beginning of the bridge that they should not be allowed to do...
It could also help if he modified the "Hugo there" for cars coming off the straight VOP and onto the curved one. Adding the option for the cars to not only stay in their lane but also to move one lane to the side.
At 24:44 the two bridge peices don’t have a nod in between for the cars to change lanes. The cars that come down the bridge from either side are forced to go straight back to another bridge even if they want to turn and not take the bridge.
This, and/or giving one of the ground level lanes an option to go both ways. As it is, there's no reason for the overpass lanes to go to ground level since they go back up without any lane switching allowed
Although the cars seem to be finding a way -- at 27:16 you can see some of the cars jumping lanes at the "nodeless" connection to avoid having to go to the next bridge.
Most of the traffic issues seem to have been down to "dedicated turning lanes" where you forced two lanes of through traffic into one heavily choked lane and one empty turning lane, a bit like you had at the end before you reverted the one-way back to a two-way overpass. Great looking stuff though! Reminds me of the Mancunian Way quite a bit. The underpass version would be like bits of Paris I think.
But no we must have dedicated lanes! And no we wont add lanes pffft. I love Biffa but I hate Biffa at the same time lol
Coming from someone who drives Mancunian way often, it’s an absolute shitshow design wise & probably creates more problems than it solves
Yes! My thoughts exactly!
Hi Biffa! I think you made an oopsie around 24:48
As you can see, there isn't a node between the two overpasses where cars can change lanes, so they are forced to go up the second overpass whether they like it or not.
No idea if it was intentional :P
Was just about to comment this. As it was, the second overpass seemed unnecessary and building it that way meant people using the first one are forced to use the second one. Bit of an oopsie, but hopefully an easy fix (though I'd personally just remove the second overpass altogether)
if you look at 27:53, the cars are changing lanes there even though Biffa set it up weirdly, so it probably works as it should despite Biffa's intentions
I saw that too. Adding a node in between should fix it
@@MrDexSat also here to comment on that :D I would have a single overpass over the two intersections. Overpasses are only 2 lanes while the roads are 4 lanes, it seems to me that most of the people will use the road for turning into the city.
actually I have to correct myself, cars change lane in the small space from overpass to road. Look at 27:20
9:15 when you added in the timed traffic lights it changed your lanes to allow a straight on again... (forgive me if you addressed this later in the video - you did notice it but not sure you knew why it happened). You caught it when it happened on your second overpass/flyover.
Edit: it became irrelevant in the end because of the extension over the roundabout, you now need the straight on lanes for people coming off the roundabout from the other directions.
It may be because I am European, but I’d prefer to have underpasses rather than overpasses (especially at the roundabout in order to preserve its beauty)
Apart from that, I love the way you solve all these traffic issues in various ways, it’s very inspiring (although I can’t apply 90% of these solutions as I play on console and don’t have access to mods…)
Alternatively you could make better use of the existing lanes. Let straight on traffic share a lane with right turning traffic - abandon dedicated turning lanes. At 2:20 is a classical example, the right turning lane empty, massive queue in straight on lane. Two downstream lanes ready to receive traffic, but only one lane supplying it. Lane mathematics applies to junctions too.
The standard AI had problems with mixed use lanes which made people use only single use ones AFAIK. This shouldn't be as much of an issue because he's using TM:PE but he's lowered the AI settings for performance so maybe it might still be an issue?
@@kaltaron1284 yeah I was gonna say that’s one casualty of trying to make the game run smoother. Applying lane math to intersections works if there aren’t nodes they can switch in before the next turn off but otherwise the basic game mechanics will send basically everyone on the same route
Yeah, that would be the logical thing to do, but sadly the game AI isn't that clever. It will happily pile up in one lane even though there are three available. Even TM:PE can't solve all the AI's problems, even though I've noticed an increased usage of other lanes with that mod.
Biffa the TM:PE mod has a setting where you can turn the automatic traffic lights on/off. So you don't have to do it manually with every new road you build!!
It's in the options menu for the mod
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I have been saying this for weeks and he never does it! LOL
thank you!
It makes for better content when he explains how to do it. I guess most people know now so no reason not to
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24:53 The Hugos you're doing at this point are locking cars into a completely fixed path: ones coming off the curved overpass will be forced to go straight on to the next overpass, with no option to turn left or right at the intersection; similarly, cars coming from a different direction will not be able to get on the intersection either.
Oh wow I was just looking up some “Biffa worst traffic fix” so I can binge while I play and clicked on this not even realizing you literally just uploaded! Hi Biffa! :D
Lol same
I watch on a loop via his playlist!
wow, those new roads really are a game changer, although they look complicated, and I can just see me rage quitting if I ever tried to use them, it's great to see someone with more skill than me doing a great job at fixing traffic problems. Thanks Biffa.
Fun fact, these are actually very old!
@@Qoushik well they are new to me as I've not seen them before. but thanks for the "fun fact"
27:45 You're forcing everyone turning right to stay in the right hand lane, which then forces them to turn right at the next intersection, go around the block, then choose the lane to come back in order to take a left. This will make a bigger mess. Those overpasses aren't meant to be used back-to-back like that.
Biffa, there's no changing lanes between overpasses. So you are forced to use both or none depending where you came from.
The cars can leave the lane, but do so only right at the start of the 2nd overpass. I consider this an inappropriate spot however, a node in between to allow for switching would be best I guess.
You can use VOP to make double roundabouts, so two levels, one that turns normal at street level and one that turns opposite on the elevated level. You essentially cut your traffic in half and reduce time spent in the roundabout. And it will much better handle excess influx.
You should make two way underground in the roundabout so it won't damage the beauty of roundabout and it would look cool having a underground pass.
When you started the curved overpass by eyeballing it, that's what caused all of your problems with things not matching up, not being straight, and not having the right number of zoning squares afterwards.
I really like that final two-way overpass, just need to pile the rocks up on the roundabout under the corner of the overpass and make a feature of it :)
When you use the quick setup for timed traffic lights it will automatically sort the lanes. That's why it messes up with your lane changes on the overpasses
We have a few of those center lane overpasses and tunnels where I live. They work really well. The key word here is we have a *FEW.*
They're good in situations where you've got a major intersection dominated by through traffic on one road, but with enough traffic turning and crossing to make traffic lights both essential for the side road and disruptive for the main road.
A "Vanilla Under Pass" would probably work wonders at the roundabout, allowing heavy industrial traffic to head straight on to the highway.
I'm surprised you didn't go for that, as you mentioned the possibility of tunneling with VOP, and I was curious to see it built. I'll just have to try it myself then 😀
The current curved road over the roundabout looks more like an oversized monorail to me 😜
Ps: I like the 'Hugo There' design, looks cool!
I've been looking at these roads for ages but never subscribed to them, let's give them a try then if Biffa says so :)
They are fantastic 👍
hey Biffa, your junction at around 18:40 - the straight on lane closest to the shops doesnt need to stop as there's no traffic joining that lane 😁
8 meters is pretty high for a bridge piece really - 26ft! even 5 meters would be a more than acceptable height for an overpass bridge (over 16ft, more than enough for road traffic). Love it though, thanks for the ep!
The road pieces are quite thick from top to bottom, probably roughly 3 meters. Raising them only 5 meters (which counts from top to top) would result in only 2m being left from the top of the lower section to the bottom of the overpass. Trucks would clip through the bottom of the overpass for sure.
Edit: Just rewatched the relevant part. Bridged road pieces are apparently only 2m thick. So elevating 5m would be like 3m space + 2m road above it. Sufficient for normal cars, but large trucks still wouldn't fit.
If you put a couple of the overpasses pretty close to each other - like only one road segment apart between overpass ends - I think you should add a node to that in-between segment halfway along it. That way the cars can come off one overpass and have a chance to change lanes before they hit the next overpass.
better transit planning? nah lets just build overpasses. Great accuracy biffa, by the way your tram costs way too much per ticket you should really lower that to attract riders
A lot of people already mentioned that all the HugoTheres force traffic in some direction. But it's not because of HugoThere, it's just VOP quirk: it is more space-consuming then it seems.
I've built a lot of intersections with VOP and found that you just shouldn't use two VOPs on close junctions at all, you have to give it some room to breathe.
What is cool with VOP however is busy 4-way junctions. You make one overpass, one underpass and ground level is dedicated to only turns with two-phase light. It just decimates any traffic!
Combining overpass and underpass for the crossing through lanes almost turns it into a full blown stack interchange. The lights are essentially only needed for left turning. No doubt that will decimate traffic like nothing else.
Thank you, Biffa for trying to fix disastrous roads!
26:00 You forget to add a node in the one section between the 2 'bridges' so they can switch lanes to turn at the next corner or go straight.
The VOP already has tunnels. Just use tunneling like anywhere else when you create those overpasses, just go down. Also, on main junctions, it is about lane management. You also can used timed light in a Boulevard set up, where all lights in one direction are green through multiple intersections.
This is completely unrelated, but I’m listening to this while working on some research, and I couldn’t for the life of me figure out what was wrong with my simulation output. When I did, I said “Oh I’m a complete muppet!” Probably the most British thing I’ve ever said in my life.
12:00 in the real world, we'd just add a third lane with two lanes turning left.
I used to watch your videos constantly, and I've returned to following the recent series! Your added sound effects to your reactions are hilarious! it's a nice improvement! Also I still crack up every time you say "Darn you game!". Thanks for continuing to make great content!
What an intriguing solution...VOP certainly works quite well for you but I know I would have to heavily spike my tea with some liquor to get it sorted in my builds. You make it look so effortless!
Oh cool! I saw this mod a while back, glad you are putting it to use. I used to do this sort of thing by hand back in the day, this mod makes it so much easier and better looking.
I really like this fix, and it doesn't seem to be too unrealistic either. There are indeed some bridges for "straight on", as well as underpasses for turning left and right in my home town.
Love seeing how you find new solutions to old problems :)
I always love seeing roundabouts touted as the ultimate solution...and then watching folks try to fix and bypass broken roundabouts. I know it's just a game mechanics thing, it just always strikes me funny. lol
At 36:42, There are assets that can support the 2-lane one-way overpass in the VOP collection and are numbered 2 (2 2)
A. cool way to use the OP tool--if you let it go underground, you create a three way overpass/bridge setup, where you have an intersection, an underpass straight through bypass, and an overground overpass that turns into a bridge. Basically like a urban limited space stack interchange for a river bridge. And of course, the purpose is to have a double bypass so that the bridge can essentially function as an expressway. This is especially useful when you have really close connections.
We can imagine, for example, the bridge connects to downtown proper, but we use the overpass to connect the bridge into the main junctions, while the rest of the road carries on into another 4 way junction. This allows traffics to be very easily dispersed and a main street maintained without becoming a stroad.
Hi Biffa. Great vid as always. Others have mentioned it, but:
You'll need a decision node between the overpass by the police station (#3 that you installed today) and the turning overpass (#2). There's no decision node in the 6-lane road between them, so, once a driver has entered either overpass, they're forced onto the other one too.
Some have noted that drivers are (weirdly) still changing lanes, that's because the Hugo There at the east end of ramp #3 is missing its middle assignment.
I use VOP a lot in my city, and I've found that I can get away with not using Hugo There for the outermost nodes of the VOP (6-lane-with-chevrons to vanilla-6-lane), though it can still look a little wonky sometimes, cause you'll wind up with what looks like "OMG MY EXIT!!" behaviour from the sims, lol.
Fixed it now, thanks :-)
@@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines Happy I was able to help! Love your vids, they've taught me a lot! If only my poor old pc could keep up! 🤣😭
Love this new road setup.... Looks realistic and don't take up much space ..
Oh what a perfect way to relax after an exam, love the new update and I’ll try it out in my city soon 😁
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Your videos help me keep the motivatoin and emotions at bay! Again thank you so much!
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Biffa love all you videos!!! Just binged over the last two weeks like all of them. Also I think a highland park like they have in New York City would look super cool and be different than anything you’ve done. Thanks for the amazing content!
Awesome thank you!
Also I’m dumb and just realized autocorrect messed me up. I meant Highline park. It’s like an elevated train track that got converted to bike/walking path that is has a bunch of trees and plants and stuff on it.
I know I'm late to the game, but "Mississipatea"! Lol. Walking distance to the namesake river, and I approve.
There was no backing up at the T. So you're saying the tea is free-flowing? Excellent.
Indeed :-)
I think you are giving way too much into designated turning lanes. At 2:39 for example the traffic is building up not despite designated turning lanes but because of it. Most traffic wants to go straight ahead and are stuck in one land while the other line with right turns is hardly used. Having the right lane allow right turns and straight one would greatly increase the capacity of that junction. Same is true for lots of other junctions. Designated lanes make sense if you have an (more or less) equal amount going in different directions.
Biffa: Shows an extremely complex project.
Me: Just use 3 roads from the vanilla game.
Biffa, the problem with the roundabout buildup is due to not being allowed into a blocked junction. Technically in the game once a couple of cars are out of the junction, those cars would fill up the first section of the roundabout. This means that no more cars will enter the roundabout until those cars move onto the next section. I hope this makes sense.
Here's an idea for you...
Pancake one-way roundabouts....
Stack roundabouts for every direction travel needs. This would make it so no one has to cross over!
This was really interesting! The VOP system is certainly useful, but might be too complicated for me.
Time 27:26. On the road with the 2 over passes there is no option for people to turn left when they turn onto that road from the high density districts. There is only a thru way for people only on that road.
This episode made so very anxious! I love it.
The traffic lights on the 1st overpass you made put again through traffic, and only one lane for turning.
Yeah, I would definitely try to have the overpass that goes over the roundabout be underground so it doesn't cover up those beautiful decorations!
About the "missing node" the bypass is over a secondary road, so I dont think its a big problem cuz they can detour to the juction before, while making a bypass for the main road, without causing traffic problems if a roundabout is added at the beginning of the first bypass
I wish the devs will consider adding mid road overpass/underpass in the game. Even just fixed road assets will be totally fine.
At 24:44 You are forcing all the cars that went onto the overpass to continue onto the other overpass because they cannot switch lanes! You should add a node there so the traffic from the overpass on the right isn’t forced to take the overpass on the left! That way people can turn right at the junction!
interested in seeing the underground version 🙂
Very cool! It would totally be viable to do one of these amazing bridge pieces where a junction is completely skipped so the bridge would stay up. Sort of a skipping road of sorts.
Very cute build again!
It is really cool looking first of all!! However it takes a special kind of bravery to set it up in an existing city. I don't have that, but I'm glad you do!
If you want to see these in real life, check out Memorial Drive on the Cambridge side of the Charles River and Storrow Drive on the Boston side of the same river in Massachusetts.
The Memorial Drive side (north) of the Charles River, has ramps coming in from the side streets and then connecting to the parkway. In these locations, through traffic remains straight in underpasses and tunnels. Where the bridges cross over to the Boston side, there are ramps leading up and down to the drive.
On the Storrow Drive side (south) of the Charles, there is a similar setup but with more tunnels and over passes. This is usually where trucks get stuck because they don't read the signs about height limits! This usually occurs at rush hour too when it's pouring ran to make matters worse. Anyway, all of this ends with sweeping on and off ramps, tunnels and overpasses as this parkway enters into Leverett Circle, which is a gigantic overworked and ruined roundabout that the traffic geniuses "fixed" a few years ago.
Thank you Biffa, perseverance, patience and many sips of tea ! cheers. :)
I was just thinking keep it a 2 way road and that’s what you did :-) ! Well done … a real head scratcher this one … but ooh the possibilities …
"You can have them going under ground, like tunnels!"
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At around 24:45 I think you need traffic to be able to switch lanes between the two bridge parts otherwise the cann't get to the side roads
This mod feels a bit convoluted. Kinda feels like you could have done this without the mod, even if it would take up a bit more space. As well, it seems it's meant to always be a straight overpass, rather than turning at all.
26:09 I do love a manual autosave 😜 Perfect when you want a sipa tea
As you've set it up to not allow those on the first overpass to do anything other than take the second overpass, could you not just have built one continuous overpass? That way people trying to get from one end to the other can just carry straight on through! You could even take it further down the road.
I've changed that now and added a node in between - thanks :-)
I suggest watching yumbltv on all his intersection he specifically made those same intersection for 4 ways one straight on is a bridge and the other side is a tunnel. he has tons of intersection videos
that's funny, i was just thinking about parallel overpasses in cs yesterday and then biffa started building right away
the "hugo there" with the overpass don't allow few trips. you can't exit the High Density zone without going on the back avenue where the convention center is, to go outside the city or in the industrial zone.
Brussels has this set up but it goes underground and once a year they close the road down for a car boot sale. No joke I used to live there. The road was one of the main roads.
biffa, do traffic fixing series with this, will be fun
The dang video is just starting and 4:14 had me in tears 🤣🤣🤣
Hey Biffa, just a tip, your roundabout most probably block the traffic because the distance from the center of the node is set too far and you have the opposite result
They way this city (and Blightea-on-the-Wold) have developed is as follows:
Traffic -> Mess around with lane arrows -> Temporary fix, traffic comes back -> Add/tweak timed traffic lights -> Temporary fix, traffic comes back -> Add more travel lanes -> Temporary fix, traffic comes back -> Change intersection to/from roundabout -> Temporary fix, traffic comes back -> Add bypass lanes -> Temporary fix, traffic comes back -> Add alternate routes, demolishing buildings -> Temporary fix, traffic comes back -> Add even more travel lanes, demolishing buildings -> Temporary fix, traffic comes back -> Now this...
In one or two episodes I guarantee all the traffic will inevitably come back. In Cities Skylines, as in real life, the only way to actually address traffic is to reduce the number of cars. Let's see some more/better public transit, more bike and pedestrian infrastructure, and more mixed zoning, lest we continue on with endless traffic fix videos that, while very entertaining, clearly don't work.
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with the risk of terrifying you with this suggestion, maybe those two overpasses should be one giant one. it feels more purposeful if it's a bit longer and it'll still work great! It looks a little odd when it goes up and down then back up again
I've noticed that you have to do the Hugo a couple of times for it to stick. Since the last update, my Asset Editor doesn't work any more. It loads up with no tools. No roads or any other ability to do anything, except look at a grid, fun. Thanks a bunch, these are going to solve a massive problem I"m having in my newest build.
Now a days as far as I know, they are prioritizing tunnel for this rather bridge, investing a lot of money to remove the Scalextric in the air like in Bilbao or Barcelona (glories junction)
We call them "under passes" and "Over passes" here in Texas. we usually use them on freeways going through town.
I thought merch would be more expensive and not so cheap i love HUGO THERE
These vanilla overpasses are great but I do not like the curved ones because one direction has always been traffic that went through the junction collision-free. 8:54 This double right turn is unsatisfying in a similar way because these right turns go and always went quite smoothly - if you keep the initial overpass setup (and don't do the long bypass over the roundabout)* there is also another option: turning the three-way junction into a four-way junction by continuing the collector road. That way traffic from a district on one side of the arterial ex-stroad (Spring Hills) to districts on the other side (Crest) could cross the arterial where overpasses exist instead of turning onto the arterial to leave it somewhere else.
18:08 Similar thing here: how many of these [talking about vehicles on the lanes you are adjusting] would love an option to drive straight-on because the route is much shorter? If the overpass followed the former stroad this option would come with an affordable pricetag.
*) Having argued against the long bypass, I feel like I need to offer a different solution for the backed up roundabout. Vanilla Overpass is only necessary because it branches off a road vertically [to a bridge or tunnel] from the median of a two-way road. 31:32 But in your roundabout you split the two-way roads into one-ways - this split might be moved away from the roundabout a little bit and then offers you the opportunity to branch off / merge in an additional one-way that can go into a bridge.
At 27:32, if you turn left from the road on the right side of the screen, you are stuck going straight since there is no node to let you get out of that inside lane.
Yumbl always makes these look easy. Biffa is more at the building level that I am. Looks prettea hard
At 27:45 a node may be needed for veh coming from top left and going top right and vice versa to change lanes as all “Hugo theres” are set up. 🤷🏻
Biffa, YumbleTV has a tutorial on how to use the VOP including the underpass. You might check on that one for references
I would say that the overpass corner should have a less sharp corner on it. Don't cut directly over the the roundabout, comma maybe make it a little bit more of a sweeping curve.
you need a node inbetween your two ramps. Right now if they enter the straight on ramp they are forced to go into your left turn ramp. Put a node in the middle so they can dive off to the right and make a right turn on your main street.
Really like the idea of these but truly complicated! I would be throwing my pc out in they yard lol. Watching you do it makes it look so easy. Seeing me try to do it, well you would probably laugh and get frustrated at the same time :D Love how they fix traffic tho!!
For a next video try mixing a tunnel one way and a bridge the other way. So you only will have a small crossing under the bridge.
🤔 This Vanilla Overpass Project is interesting, but wow, it's also complex a little, Biffa. 😏 Instrad of a partial turn over a roundabout, how about a VOP completely going straight over one? 😈
If someone made the various versions of the overpasses as complete intersections on the workshop with traffic manager applied etc, I'd definitely use them. Otherwise they're just a massive pain in the ass to create.
If there isn't a 1-2-1 Version I think a 1-4-1 would fit better at a t-crossing (lane mathamatics).
Also if you want to use time traffic lights, make your own setup, because you only need 2 cycles not 3.
At 11:00 if you make the right crossing a 1-4-1 and keep the left as a 2-2-2, then people from the left junction can reach the overpass on the right junction. At the moment only the people who use the left overpass can also use the right overpass, because there is no node to change the lane.
Hi Biffa, maybe just need connection on that road through industrial area with few overpasses and instead of ovepass on that roundabound give option to use turn straight right as it is now not used dead end
The end result looks nice, but I find the way you have to set up these overpasses way too finicky. I play this game for fun. It shouldn't feel like work.
Hopefully the mod will be improved as time goes by.
Good morning, very interesting video using over passes in the city. There's a lot of these popping up