14:36 Sean: NE: Why Don’t You Believe in God?, Accuracy of the Bible 19:22 Chloe: MD: The Lack of an Afterlife Upsets Me, LGBT Theist Worries About Hell 27:10 Nate: AL: Explain the Existence of the Laws of Logic, Descriptive vs Prescriptive Laws 30:32: Greg: CO: Physical vs Non-Physical God, Concepts vs Reality, Proving Existence 43:43 Vik: IN: My Family Believes My Cousin Was Healed with Black Magic 56:30 Stevie: NY: Why Talk About Differences?, Is China Better Because They’re Atheists? 1:01:43: William: AZ: Watchmaker Argument, Probability of Alien Intervention, Split Brain 1:16:35 Otangelo: Brazil: You’re Not Justified in Saying “I Don’t Know” & Biased Against Theism 1:21:27 Jeff: FL: My Child is Being Ostracized Because of Her Atheism 1:27:05 Private Citizen: CO: Does the Negation of Theology Make You an Atheist? 1:28:33 Nicholas: Norway: Objective vs Subjective Morality, Morality-Assessing Computers
The parable of the Pharisee and the Publican "And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted." -Luke 18:9-14 Never forget what true Christianity means, we are not better than those who are in the world, while we may be saved we still fall to sin and are inherently slaves to it, nothing we do makes us worthy, only by Gods grace and mercy are we saved.
what's the purpose of the old testament in the Bible, was it to set rules that man should follow? Actually the purpose was.... 1. To present God's Holiness 2. To show Mans inability to judge righteously between right and wrong 3. To show Gods standards 4. To show how much man fails to attain Gods standards 5. To show how flawed humanity is 6. To show Gods Grace and Mercy 7. To show how God will test and humble us to show if given a choice how we always fall short 8. To foreshadow the coming of a saviour to redeem us from our inadequacy to meet God's standard 9. To show how humanity is inherently slaves to sin and even when we don't want to we still fall to sin
@@japexican007 I am a former Christian. I've learned a lot about biology and chemistry and a little bit about physics and I've read the bible. Since then I am atheist. What is your belief and the reasoning behind it?
sounds like he is extremely anxious/suffers from a mental illness, or is really confused. Probably a combination. I hope he figures it out, and seeks help if he needs it.
I have three daughters. Raised them with faith, lost mine, decided to let them know, found out none of them had ever believed in God. What a happy bit of irony.
@@deshawnbrown5714 For me it was thinking critically about the concept of a god for a few months (including reading a lot of Harris, Hitchens, Dakwins and following AXP) and reading the bible. After that my faith was gone. Didn't feel like a loss, though, rather like opening up to the world.
@@abuamanah9176 OK. But ehm... Atheism is simply *_not being convinced_* that a god exists. But I'm open to the idea. So if you ARE convinced, then pray tell what's your evidence? *Theists* are the claimants, remember? Not the atheists.
@@abuamanah9176 we don't know what evidence would satisfy us that a god exists. But god should know what would convince us. So why isn't he giving us any of this evidence? Also you haven't demonstrated the existence of the universe is dependent on an intelligent cause. You need to prove that before you can claim it to be true.
@Truth Matters Go prowl on your Christian forums! You are so scared it's funny. Your insecure and fragile beliefs has you stalking a non belief talk show and its comments section🤦♂️ Such a sad pathetic troll!
@Truth Matters that's a pretty bold comment for someone who literally has an imaginary friend 😆🤣 if there was a god in reality, there would be undeniable proof of it everywhere as opposed to everything being just exactly what you would expect if there wasn't a god. You should change your name to "what my mommy taught me to believe matters" 😆🤣😂
Thank you Matt for not subjecting us to Otangeo's BS which he continually tries to roll out. To Jeff in Florida, I grew up in a Baptist family living next door to a Catholic family. The neighbor's kid told me when I was 5 or 6 that I was going to hell because I had not been christened as a baby. My parents simply told me that wasn't true and I was fine. Now, my parents think I am going to hell because I'm an atheist. LOL Still not worried about hell.
Yeah. We have to deal with nutjobs like him on a daily basis here in Brazil. Unfortunately we have wayyy too many of them and they are everywhere. I remember once telling my doorman that I was an atheist and my landlord was close by and heard me saying that. Next thing I know, I´m getting home and my mother asked me "what is this sht about you going around the building telling people that you don´t believe in God"? Life has been Hell since.
I wanted to listen to Otangelo. Seems Matt always hangs up on everyone I would like to listen longer. But I agree that as I dont think anyone can bring up anything new then Im in this all for the show these circus clowns like O put out. Seems this show is nowadays only atheist deconversion stories and asking for advices for whatever. I miss the old days of theists calling in threatening with hell and brimstone and whatever. Nowadays Matt just hangs up before they rev up enough to get to the good stuff.
I love this show, but I actually think Don is a bad co-host. I've watched the show for years. His failure series I've always found a little boring, but aside from that, he's just not very quick on his feet. I think Matt and Tracy are clearly the best, Jeff Dee was amazing, and most other co-hosts are pretty quick and good at this kind of thing. I just don't think this is Don's forte, and when he's on I feel like half of what he says gets corrected by Matt.
John Morris did you even watch the episode? First, it was in 2011 before any of this was really talked about on a large scale. He brought awareness to the trans community talking about clothes fitting and the reactions people gave. It was an opportunity for others to see a side they don’t normally see. Jeff’s surgery comment was probably the worst thing said and even that wasn’t something that I was offended by. As a trans woman, I appreciated what Matt did. He could have easily just stopped at saying he was doing drag and walking around screaming he lost a bet, but instead, he decided to make the experience something more. I find you saying transgender people are suffering from “severe mental illness” and just us wanting to be “normal” to be way more insulting to the community than anything Matt remotely did. Gender dysphoria is a real issue, but it can be treated with transition. To say I’m suffering from severe mental illness after transition, well, I’m sure you will find some agreement with some of the far right types like Crowder and a few trolls on here. Trans people are “normal,” we aren’t “broken.” Stop making us victims.
The YT algorithm brought me here. So I gave it a try. I've never considered myself religious. I came from a very relaxed family luckily. My mom was raped by a priest when she was 8. But never refused to let me explore religion if I wanted too. She just wouldn't be there to experience with me. I've battled depression & suicidal thoughts my whole life. & in 2012 I attempted suicide & almost succeeded. I flatlined twice, barely survived. & woke up from a coma later. It was later when analyzing the experience, I got my answer about religion. I flatlined twice, & not a for a moment. A dangerous amount. Which meant I was dead. So if we go by religion viewpoints, I'm either starting to hell or ascending to heaven. Except there was no light, no flames, no deceased family member waiting for me. I was just here & then I wasn't. & when faced with that realization & experience. You can't really be on the fence about it anymore. Religion is a construct, created by man, to control other men. The fantasy of imaginary friends can't continue. & finally I'm at peace with my answer. & no it doesn't sadden me to know there isn't a magical bad or good place that exists in death. As miserable as I am here, I'd probably be the same there if it existed.
@@Ashenshugura thank you for your kindness as well. Every day is a continuous battle. My thoughts about death haven't changed since I was 4, & at 34 they still haven't.
Thanks for sharing your experience Sarah. I was raised in a fundamentalist Christian environment and stayed there for more than 30 + years. But as soon as I started to care if my beliefs were true, it wasn't long before I concluded they almost certainly weren't. The peace I've found living with the understanding that this is the only life I get, and I am profoundly lucky to have this life, makes me look at each day as a "blessing" (if I may coin a religious term). There is a quote by Richard Dawkins that I first heard in the Nightwish song, "Endless forms most beautiful" (If you like symphonic metal, check it out). Anyway, the Dawkins quote is: *"We are going to die, and that makes us the lucky ones. Most people are never going to die because they are never going to be born. The potential people who could have been here in my place but who will in fact never see the light of day outnumber the sand grains of Sahara. Certainly those unborn ghosts include greater poets than Keats, scientists greater than Newton. We know this because the set of possible people allowed by our DNA so massively exceeds the set of actual people. In the teeth of those stupefying odds it is you and I, in our ordinariness, that are here. We privileged few, who won the lottery of birth against all odds, how dare we whine at our inevitable return to that prior state from which the vast majority have never stirred?"*
@@_nuclearnoodle_5757 Yeah, either that or he was reading from a script and Matt wasn't answering his questions like he thought he would. So, he had to think of a new question on the fly instead
In the vein of "the more you think about the concept of the soul, the less sense it makes," isn't it weird that we supposedly lose our physical body when we die, yet the classic descriptions of hell are all about physical (not psychological/soul) torment?
Nice to see im not the only one to have though that, another thing i realized was, even if we were to feel pain for eternity, at some point wouldn't this pain become numb and the punishment would have lost its meaning?
Julian: Interesting point. If you assume a soul and other biblical concepts, supposedly your body and nerves are made new again in the afterlife. So the nerves, rather than becoming numb, would be constantly regenerated for full enjoyment of your torture. What a great way for an all-powerful god to use some of its powers.
I tried to Google the "at heist" argument because I'm curious how far it goes. I couldn't find it. Does anyone have a link to this argument being used?
@@darthsombra2102 I lick myself every day! Unlike you Darth! How do you shower you dirty dirty heathen! ..... lol have a great day! Its raining, I'm going outside!
It really isn't. As an atheist, i used to say stuff like that a lot. And, to be fair, there are a lot of ignorant theists who make that claim seem true. But after I studied some basic philosophy of religion, I realized that there are intelligent theists who have been busy advancing some prerty rigorous arguments in support of theism in the past few decades that most atheists wouldn't have a clue how to counter. Plantinga's concept of "proper basicality" is one. It's basically an argument that belief in god is rational - without any appeal to evidence or argument. It sounds outrageous but it's quite a difficult argument to attack. Theists aren't all dumbasses, just as atheists aren't all paragons of reason and intelligence.
@@CyeOutsider ridiculously easy to attack - by every other religion in existence, no less. Let them sort it out among themselves which of their "properly basic" belief is the true 1. They can't all be true, but they can all be false.
Matt is getting tired of having the same conversations and frankly so am I. I think he hung up on a caller quickly as well last week when he wanted to justify slavery (or at least made the case that the bible's version of slavery wasn't that bad).
To be honest Matt seem to grow less and less patient with callers. Not to say that's not understandable, but it seem to grow to be a bit counterproductive. Dropping people with "What Evidence you have? None? I thought so" doesn't really bringing anything new to the table for any of participants. Caller is feeling rudely rejected and offended, hence strengthening their bias and discouraging any further contacts and questioning process. Audience doesn't get to hear proper unraveled explanation for why is it not a proper argumentation. Sure, you can say that audience is probably heard it quite a lot of times before, but that's a slippery slope, leading straight to "why even have a calling show, all the arguments were already made". At best you can argue that hosts are saving some time, but for what?
I do not like that some people are making fun of Greg. He seems likely on the spectrum of autism, and is doing something extremely far out of his comfort zone. It sounds like this call took a lot out of him, emotionally and physically, so I think that everyone would benefit from lot of tenderness and compassion sent his way.
So wait people pointing out the speech pattern as being sort of nervous or rushed is wrong... But you putting on you're best armchair neuroscientest hat on and diagnose him with autism is bueno?
I think he was extremely shy/nervous. There are long sighs where he is probably trying to collect himself. I never talked like that, myself, but the times I had to speak in front of lots of people (preaching) i would always (after talking for 15 minutes or more) have my leg start to shake, mouth dry up, and lip start to curl. If I was leading worship, however, I was totally unmoved, even doing so in front of 1000+ people a few times. I was totally confident in my ability to play piano, sing, and lead the worship time the way I thought it should go (with 'on the spot' changes) so I remained calm but public speaking, however prepared I was, no matter how confident I first felt, it always deteriorated. It affects people in different ways (or doesn't affect them at all).
I have watched every watchable episode of AXP and I have to say... Greg is the most confused caller I've heard on the show to date. At any rate, this was another awesome episode.
At Heist... That is so funny. As Hitchens said... you just can't get bored talking to theist apologists: you never know what they will come up with next... 😂😂😂
I agree I've been watching the show for a few years now so I'm used to him hanging up on people but that was kind of odd too me. Besides the 2nd caller was much less interesting
Yeah that was definitely unnecessary. He wasnt even being as unreasonable as others. He seemed like he was listening and that long pause definitely tells me he was seeing the errors in his thinking. I wish matt had kept that one going.
St. John's wort is for depression. The NIH has data on their website that basically says, "sometimes it works better than a placebo in clinical studies."
This is so simple to solve with 3 questions...1.Did god create everything?...2.Does god hate gays?..3.Why does god create things he hates? or...more specifically why does god create atheists?
he called in last week and said that he "believes in paradox and believes in mystery" and labels some sort of ultimate mystery as "God" but wants to still be called and atheist but also kind of doesn't want to be called an atheist and Matt trounced him so he called in with an attitude this time not wanting to talk to Matt.
@@Locust13 THAT'S HIM!? God, that guy was insufferable. He needs to never call again. And I actually thought Matt was getting through to him last week. Shame.
I can hear sadness in Chloe's voice (2nd caller). It breaks my heart that religion does this to people. I hope she learns to love herself and be proud of her sexuality. If she hasn't already I hope she meets someone who loves her for who she is. Enjoy the one life you know you have and don't justify yourself to anyone, lesst of all any god.
The contrapositive of "existence requires explanation" is "claims that don't require explanation are not existence claims". The implication of the former statement is that we're talking about a claim of existence.
I did miss the broadcast today, watching “Unbelievable,” but thankful that the show was recorded. This has been a most interesting show, with an unusual cast of callers. Like Don’s intro, of course. Surprised to see Otangelo here at all. Love this show. I, too, wish I had 5 billion dollars to do with as I wished, but I’m not letting that keep me from my contributions to humility in smaller financial ways, but with a greater commitment of personal time and effort.
Greg: “I can show that god exists. It’s not hard.” And yet Greg never shows that any gods exist.😂 Greg sounds like somebody needs to bring him some oxygen.
Not to mention, he is all seeing and all knowing and has a perfect plan, so how the fuck does he ever get angry when what he created does something he by definition planned to happen? You really have to suspend logic and reason to believe any of his stories.
I SO can relate to Jeff. I'm in FL too, & in a very red county w/ a mega church & everything. I struggle with this myself, especially several months ago when their grandmother died, & other family members on their father's side told them she was in heaven now. So I was asked what heaven is, & if Grandma was really there now, why did she leave & go there, etc. I just said no one actually knows what heaven is or if it's real, but people like to think it is. I've also been asked by my kids what church is, since they've now heard about it at school from other kids asking what church they go to, or talking about going to church. I did my best to explain about some people having a certain belief, but as I began agreeing they immediately became disinterested, for which I was relieved! But I'm sure it'll come up again later & I'm trying to be prepared with a better response
Reminds me that Robin Williams movie called What Dreams May Come. You die and go to heaven and then choose the next life that you want to live. Then your soul is re-injected into a new child
With Greg, I think it was a combination of being nervous and thinking kind of faster than he was speaking. I do hope that he can fine tune his points and calls again because it might be a fun philosophical conversation.
Greg got some shit from the comment section. I would say he at least tries to process the information that was given to him. Can't say that about a lot of theists. Greg my man. Hell yeah haha
Otangelo is completely dishonest. He relies on vague language, misrepresentations of science and Gish gallop entirely. I've talked to him on the phone and through FB, he finally blocked me when I destroyed his misquotes and syllogisms.
I talked to him on Facebook too - he stopped responding after a day or so. We had a chat about evolution - he posted his personal blog to 'disprove' evolution, whereas my sources included encyclopedias, science textbooks, science magazines, 150 years of research in Biology/Genetics/Anthropology/Paleontology, and the nonfiction section of the library
@@zenon3021 He loves that blog, and tries to overwhelm opponents by copy/pasting large passages into conversations, but it's horribly written and basically a collection of arguments from ignorance. He refuses to read primary literature and loves misrepresenting scientific positions.
Listening to Greg was an unpleasant cringe-worthy experience and I was deeply troubled when Matt encouraged him to call back in the future. One Greg call is already too many.
3 words you will NEVER hear in Canada.....it's too hot! One of my favorite things on this show is watching Don's reactions to what the lunatics are claiming...roflmao
How can a god create you and then hate that he created you gay? This in it's self is proof of no god or he could just stop creating gays that he hates!
@@r.scottmacleod4564 They believe God only creates hetero souls. That´s why christians say that homosexuality is a disease that can be cured. Or that it is something you choose, and therefore is an immoral act against God.
Huh? I live in Toronto, Ontario and Canadians In the summer say IT'S TOO HOT all the time. it can get as high as 33 C. And with the humidity it can fell like 40 C. I live in Toronto and that statement makes no sense. For some reason many Americans seem to think Canada is some Artic zone where it's cold all the time. FYI : For Southern Ontario our Winters are cold - 30 C (windchill it can sometimes feel like-40 C) And In summer 30 C and higher are very common. And the humidity here makes it worse. In the middle of the summer walking outside can feel like you just walked into a giant oven.
i always had a problem with quantum computing, you have to stop the computer from accessing the data in order to preserve the qubits uncertainty principle, so when do you know when to check the data? you could break the whole qubit CPU board, its not like a microwave and a bell goes off, the observer effect will cause the cesium atoms wave function to collapse, or am i missing something, because i know we do have qubits now but they require a giant chamber
14:36 Sean: NE: Why Don’t You Believe in God?, Accuracy of the Bible
19:22 Chloe: MD: The Lack of an Afterlife Upsets Me, LGBT Theist Worries About Hell
27:10 Nate: AL: Explain the Existence of the Laws of Logic, Descriptive vs Prescriptive Laws
30:32: Greg: CO: Physical vs Non-Physical God, Concepts vs Reality, Proving Existence
43:43 Vik: IN: My Family Believes My Cousin Was Healed with Black Magic
56:30 Stevie: NY: Why Talk About Differences?, Is China Better Because They’re Atheists?
1:01:43: William: AZ: Watchmaker Argument, Probability of Alien Intervention, Split Brain
1:16:35 Otangelo: Brazil: You’re Not Justified in Saying “I Don’t Know” & Biased Against Theism
1:21:27 Jeff: FL: My Child is Being Ostracized Because of Her Atheism
1:27:05 Private Citizen: CO: Does the Negation of Theology Make You an Atheist?
1:28:33 Nicholas: Norway: Objective vs Subjective Morality, Morality-Assessing Computers
The parable of the Pharisee and the Publican
"And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted." -Luke 18:9-14
Never forget what true Christianity means, we are not better than those who are in the world, while we may be saved we still fall to sin and are inherently slaves to it, nothing we do makes us worthy, only by Gods grace and mercy are we saved.
what's the purpose of the old testament in the Bible, was it to set rules that man should follow?
Actually the purpose was....
1. To present God's Holiness
2. To show Mans inability to judge righteously between right and wrong
3. To show Gods standards
4. To show how much man fails to attain Gods standards
5. To show how flawed humanity is
6. To show Gods Grace and Mercy
7. To show how God will test and humble us to show if given a choice how we always fall short
8. To foreshadow the coming of a saviour to redeem us from our inadequacy to meet God's standard
9. To show how humanity is inherently slaves to sin and even when we don't want to we still fall to sin
@@japexican007
What are you doing here?
Sopho Nax i wish to know your beliefs and the reasoning behind them
@@japexican007
I am a former Christian. I've learned a lot about biology and chemistry and a little bit about physics and I've read the bible. Since then I am atheist.
What is your belief and the reasoning behind it?
That conversation went so well in Gregg's head before he phoned.
Greg is in a hostage situation.
Call the authorities.
I just heard this call, and Greg sounded like he was having an asthma attack or worse.
sounds like he is extremely anxious/suffers from a mental illness, or is really confused. Probably a combination. I hope he figures it out, and seeks help if he needs it.
Best. Comment. Ever!
@@perpetuaL524 love this comment. What a sincere and genuinely compassionate perspective to have. Much respect sir (or ma'am) 😊
I have three daughters. Raised them with faith, lost mine, decided to let them know, found out none of them had ever believed in God. What a happy bit of irony.
One could argue that none who has been indoctrinated into faith is really a believer
@@deshawnbrown5714 not interested in discussing it with you.
@@suleymanbabak1973 You could, but it's a logical fallacy, so I wouldn't.
@Andrew Sims
I am really happy for you and your daughters! 🌼
@@deshawnbrown5714
For me it was thinking critically about the concept of a god for a few months (including reading a lot of Harris, Hitchens, Dakwins and following AXP) and reading the bible.
After that my faith was gone.
Didn't feel like a loss, though, rather like opening up to the world.
Greg sounded like he was on the run from the police and just had to share his beliefs before he got caught 😂😂😂
Jesus.. I was literally saying the same thing in my head and came to the comments to see if someone said something similar
@Nigel Butt I dont care if it's a condition... I was just simply putting what I thought... calm down lol
@Nigel Butt "Retract and apologize"...? Sounds like a verdict to me. You were saying?
@@abuamanah9176 OK. But ehm... Atheism is simply *_not being convinced_* that a god exists. But I'm open to the idea. So if you ARE convinced, then pray tell what's your evidence? *Theists* are the claimants, remember? Not the atheists.
@@abuamanah9176 we don't know what evidence would satisfy us that a god exists. But god should know what would convince us. So why isn't he giving us any of this evidence?
Also you haven't demonstrated the existence of the universe is dependent on an intelligent cause. You need to prove that before you can claim it to be true.
I wish Don was my next door neighbor. What a genuine guy.❤
Don is my favorite along with Traci and jimmy. They are great counter balance to Matt.
Yes Don is one I'd like to grab a beer with, Matt is someone whose brain I'd like to pick (while staying sober 😂)
@Truth Matters Go prowl on your Christian forums! You are so scared it's funny. Your insecure and fragile beliefs has you stalking a non belief talk show and its comments section🤦♂️
Such a sad pathetic troll!
@Truth Matters that's a pretty bold comment for someone who literally has an imaginary friend 😆🤣 if there was a god in reality, there would be undeniable proof of it everywhere as opposed to everything being just exactly what you would expect if there wasn't a god. You should change your name to "what my mommy taught me to believe matters" 😆🤣😂
he'd still borrow your lawn mower and forge to give it back.
Thank you Matt for not subjecting us to Otangeo's BS which he continually tries to roll out.
To Jeff in Florida, I grew up in a Baptist family living next door to a Catholic family. The neighbor's kid told me when I was 5 or 6 that I was going to hell because I had not been christened as a baby. My parents simply told me that wasn't true and I was fine. Now, my parents think I am going to hell because I'm an atheist. LOL Still not worried about hell.
RhondaH : if you make it look easy you may forget how hard it can be .
You ain’t going anywhere.
Yeah. We have to deal with nutjobs like him on a daily basis here in Brazil. Unfortunately we have wayyy too many of them and they are everywhere. I remember once telling my doorman that I was an atheist and my landlord was close by and heard me saying that. Next thing I know, I´m getting home and my mother asked me "what is this sht about you going around the building telling people that you don´t believe in God"? Life has been Hell since.
I wanted to listen to Otangelo. Seems Matt always hangs up on everyone I would like to listen longer. But I agree that as I dont think anyone can bring up anything new then Im in this all for the show these circus clowns like O put out. Seems this show is nowadays only atheist deconversion stories and asking for advices for whatever. I miss the old days of theists calling in threatening with hell and brimstone and whatever. Nowadays Matt just hangs up before they rev up enough to get to the good stuff.
Kokot Vole he hung up because he froze.
Greg sounded like he was Calling up hiding in the basement so his wife wouldn’t hear 😂
I doubt he would have a wife.
Greg has never been touched by a women
@@rustynelson2357 woman*
greg's hiding in someone's wardrobe trying not to be caught
Uh.....[victim passes by room] uh...... [victim leaves] okay, okay okay!
This was the best Heist Experience I've seen in awhile.
At Heist Experience.
Pity Matt hanged up on the guy at 01:00:43 . There could have been a few minutes of hysterical hilarity...
LOL.
@@kampaseuth
Now that guy should have been played with. That could have been a lot of fun.
I love this show, but I actually think Don is a bad co-host. I've watched the show for years. His failure series I've always found a little boring, but aside from that, he's just not very quick on his feet. I think Matt and Tracy are clearly the best, Jeff Dee was amazing, and most other co-hosts are pretty quick and good at this kind of thing. I just don't think this is Don's forte, and when he's on I feel like half of what he says gets corrected by Matt.
Greg sounds like he's afraid someone will remotely detonate his bomb vest if they hear him proven wrong.
haha aww, poor Greg!
Greg just came back from the 17rh dimension
lol
😂😂
I don't think I've ever known a person with a clearer mind than Matt's. Matt, you're my hero
Hear here!
@@JohnMorris-ge6hq That's transphobia, and we don't need that. And Matt is awesome
John Morris did you even watch the episode? First, it was in 2011 before any of this was really talked about on a large scale. He brought awareness to the trans community talking about clothes fitting and the reactions people gave. It was an opportunity for others to see a side they don’t normally see.
Jeff’s surgery comment was probably the worst thing said and even that wasn’t something that I was offended by.
As a trans woman, I appreciated what Matt did. He could have easily just stopped at saying he was doing drag and walking around screaming he lost a bet, but instead, he decided to make the experience something more.
I find you saying transgender people are suffering from “severe mental illness” and just us wanting to be “normal” to be way more insulting to the community than anything Matt remotely did.
Gender dysphoria is a real issue, but it can be treated with transition. To say I’m suffering from severe mental illness after transition, well, I’m sure you will find some agreement with some of the far right types like Crowder and a few trolls on here.
Trans people are “normal,” we aren’t “broken.” Stop making us victims.
@@ItWasThatEasy I support you completely. I have known several transgenders (one of them intimately)
Fausto Fernandez ewww
Im lying in bed trying to fall asleep and as soon as Greg began talking I got fucking chills and my eyes sprang open.
The YT algorithm brought me here. So I gave it a try. I've never considered myself religious. I came from a very relaxed family luckily. My mom was raped by a priest when she was 8. But never refused to let me explore religion if I wanted too. She just wouldn't be there to experience with me. I've battled depression & suicidal thoughts my whole life. & in 2012 I attempted suicide & almost succeeded. I flatlined twice, barely survived. & woke up from a coma later. It was later when analyzing the experience, I got my answer about religion. I flatlined twice, & not a for a moment. A dangerous amount. Which meant I was dead. So if we go by religion viewpoints, I'm either starting to hell or ascending to heaven. Except there was no light, no flames, no deceased family member waiting for me. I was just here & then I wasn't. & when faced with that realization & experience. You can't really be on the fence about it anymore. Religion is a construct, created by man, to control other men. The fantasy of imaginary friends can't continue. & finally I'm at peace with my answer. & no it doesn't sadden me to know there isn't a magical bad or good place that exists in death. As miserable as I am here, I'd probably be the same there if it existed.
Thanks for sharing your anecdote. Life is a very personal experience and I am happy you are choosing to live it out.
@@Ashenshugura thank you for your kindness as well. Every day is a continuous battle. My thoughts about death haven't changed since I was 4, & at 34 they still haven't.
Live it out. I'm a good listener if you wanna vent. Have a great day!
Thanks for sharing your experience Sarah. I was raised in a fundamentalist Christian environment and stayed there for more than 30 + years. But as soon as I started to care if my beliefs were true, it wasn't long before I concluded they almost certainly weren't. The peace I've found living with the understanding that this is the only life I get, and I am profoundly lucky to have this life, makes me look at each day as a "blessing" (if I may coin a religious term).
There is a quote by Richard Dawkins that I first heard in the Nightwish song, "Endless forms most beautiful" (If you like symphonic metal, check it out). Anyway, the Dawkins quote is:
*"We are going to die, and that makes us the lucky ones. Most people are never going to die because they are never going to be born. The potential people who could have been here in my place but who will in fact never see the light of day outnumber the sand grains of Sahara. Certainly those unborn ghosts include greater poets than Keats, scientists greater than Newton. We know this because the set of possible people allowed by our DNA so massively exceeds the set of actual people. In the teeth of those stupefying odds it is you and I, in our ordinariness, that are here. We privileged few, who won the lottery of birth against all odds, how dare we whine at our inevitable return to that prior state from which the vast majority have never stirred?"*
@@DidNotReadInstructions thank you for the offer, venting hasn't helped all these years. But thank you all the same, you have a great day as well!
Is the greg caller sound like he is drowning in sweat in his basement?
Lol
@@_nuclearnoodle_5757 Yeah, either that or he was reading from a script and Matt wasn't answering his questions like he thought he would. So, he had to think of a new question on the fly instead
Kishon Webb.
With a magazine.
Otangelo has the most hilarious apologetics.
Answer nothing, try to ask silly questions.
He’s one step away from full presupper.
In the vein of "the more you think about the concept of the soul, the less sense it makes," isn't it weird that we supposedly lose our physical body when we die, yet the classic descriptions of hell are all about physical (not psychological/soul) torment?
Habeas, I hadn't thought of that. Great point!
The soul is a just a mental concept. An imaginary, undefined religious term.
It does not exist in the physical world,
that I call reality.
@Habeas Humor: you get your soul and your nerves, maybe.
Just kidding.
Nice to see im not the only one to have though that, another thing i realized was, even if we were to feel pain for eternity, at some point wouldn't this pain become numb and the punishment would have lost its meaning?
Julian: Interesting point. If you assume a soul and other biblical concepts, supposedly your body and nerves are made new again in the afterlife. So the nerves, rather than becoming numb, would be constantly regenerated for full enjoyment of your torture. What a great way for an all-powerful god to use some of its powers.
Greg sounds like he is constantly shuffling around for his script
He sounds like he is blasted on at least one psychoactive substance, possibly more.
He's somewhere on the autism spectrum.
@@jeff2424 That's probably the case, he sounded like he was hiperventilating and didn't made much sense :-/
Sounds to me like he's just disguising his voice.
@@jeff2424 really! how can you tell
1:00:30 "atheist" = "at heist" = Wow.
(Though it's so nuts that it raises Poe's Law...)
@@AlbertGuilmont No: I think I missed that episode! Anyone else?
Lol what is at heist in atheism lmao omg I was dying when I heard him say that!
@@AlbertGuilmont it's probably very old one. I'll keep searching!
I worked in a store and had people ask for these products...
Mick-a-doo (Mikado)
Em-er-jee (Emerge)
Jack-quez (Jacques)
I tried to Google the "at heist" argument because I'm curious how far it goes. I couldn't find it. Does anyone have a link to this argument being used?
Loved Dons intro on the soul. Many concepts I haven’t considered and very enlightening .
Otangelo in Brazil believes he can read Matt's mind. LOL
I can't read Otangelo's mind but I sure as hell know what he's going to say...!!
@@poetryspective3909 yeah. *puts fingers to temples...."some bullshit about factory blueprints..."
Hello fellow Atheist!!!
Hi
Hello you filthy heathens
Howdy!
@@darthsombra2102 I lick myself every day! Unlike you Darth! How do you shower you dirty dirty heathen! ..... lol have a great day! Its raining, I'm going outside!
Oh, hey.
1:00:40 The Heist is happening at the churches during offering.
Googling "Catholic Church" and "Nazi Gold" gives me an idea for the worlds most upsetting heist movie.
Jay Morgan
There’s just as much child molestation in the Protestant church.
And amoral comes down to "am oral"? So many puns, so little time.
If there is a Pedant's Hall of Fame somewhere, I'm confident that they've built an entire new wing for Otangelo.
This is the best that the world of theism has to offer folks....
@A.D 802701 best selling fantasy novel ever written.
It really isn't. As an atheist, i used to say stuff like that a lot. And, to be fair, there are a lot of ignorant theists who make that claim seem true.
But after I studied some basic philosophy of religion, I realized that there are intelligent theists who have been busy advancing some prerty rigorous arguments in support of theism in the past few decades that most atheists wouldn't have a clue how to counter.
Plantinga's concept of "proper basicality" is one. It's basically an argument that belief in god is rational - without any appeal to evidence or argument.
It sounds outrageous but it's quite a difficult argument to attack.
Theists aren't all dumbasses, just as atheists aren't all paragons of reason and intelligence.
@@CyeOutsider ridiculously easy to attack - by every other religion in existence, no less. Let them sort it out among themselves which of their "properly basic" belief is the true 1. They can't all be true, but they can all be false.
Damn.. hahah I've seen probably 500 episodes of of AE over years and it still surprised me how fast Matt hung up on the first caller! Hahah
Matt is getting tired of having the same conversations and frankly so am I. I think he hung up on a caller quickly as well last week when he wanted to justify slavery (or at least made the case that the bible's version of slavery wasn't that bad).
Don... it’s really good to have you back.
To be honest Matt seem to grow less and less patient with callers. Not to say that's not understandable, but it seem to grow to be a bit counterproductive. Dropping people with "What Evidence you have? None? I thought so" doesn't really bringing anything new to the table for any of participants. Caller is feeling rudely rejected and offended, hence strengthening their bias and discouraging any further contacts and questioning process. Audience doesn't get to hear proper unraveled explanation for why is it not a proper argumentation. Sure, you can say that audience is probably heard it quite a lot of times before, but that's a slippery slope, leading straight to "why even have a calling show, all the arguments were already made". At best you can argue that hosts are saving some time, but for what?
Noeren - Gotta agree.
I saw the 2 dollar super chat in the comments "what about a Watchdog?" During the watch maker argument 😅😂😅
I do not like that some people are making fun of Greg. He seems likely on the spectrum of autism, and is doing something extremely far out of his comfort zone.
It sounds like this call took a lot out of him, emotionally and physically, so I think that everyone would benefit from lot of tenderness and compassion sent his way.
So wait people pointing out the speech pattern as being sort of nervous or rushed is wrong... But you putting on you're best armchair neuroscientest hat on and diagnose him with autism is bueno?
@@michaelmurray1712 people can point it out, albeit it's a pointless thing to point out. But they should probably abstain from making fun of the guy.
Wow, some people just called it weird, you called him autistic. And you think that's not insulting?
How is that our fault? He called the show and made a spectacle of hinself. Everyone on the planet is fair game for mockery...including Greg.
@@michaelmurray1712 I did hedge my statement by saying "seems", that should help dissuade you from thinking I'm diagnosing anything
A little bit of my soul gets out every time i fart
And drifts thru uranus
@@SuperFamiKing lmao
@@phatkatracing lol is the smell of sin coming out
try a buttplug
Dude! LOL LOL That was totally uncalled for! LOL LOL 🤣🤣😂🤣
What is going on with this guy Greg? He sounds strange.
@Dog Slobber You wild af 😂 Obama was the best, also.
He did not seem "typical", there is something there, developmental disability or mental illness, not for me to judge. I felt for him.
@Dog Slobber government too
@Dog Slobber Maybe the next DSM should include it as "PDD RDS". (religious delusion syndrome).
I think he was extremely shy/nervous. There are long sighs where he is probably trying to collect himself.
I never talked like that, myself, but the times I had to speak in front of lots of people (preaching) i would always (after talking for 15 minutes or more) have my leg start to shake, mouth dry up, and lip start to curl. If I was leading worship, however, I was totally unmoved, even doing so in front of 1000+ people a few times. I was totally confident in my ability to play piano, sing, and lead the worship time the way I thought it should go (with 'on the spot' changes) so I remained calm but public speaking, however prepared I was, no matter how confident I first felt, it always deteriorated. It affects people in different ways (or doesn't affect them at all).
Good to see you coming out of your shell Don. Keep putting in you thoughts a lot more. You have a lot offer.
nice to see don on the show today
I don't know is a solid answer.
Much better than a wild claim of the supernatural.
the idea of eternity terrifies me
@@chrismassey7563 I absolutely love my life and cherish every second; Eternity terrifies me.
An eternity of not having sex would be hell anyway
@@chrismassey7563 sure
@@chrismassey7563 if you don't understand why living forever would eventually become boring then just wait a bit longer. You'll get there.
@@harrythompson9315
Eternity should terrify you.
I can't imagine anything worse than eternal life in _any_ situation.
Me yesterday: I kinda miss Otangelo
Me today: I changed my mind.
Or Otangelo otanged your mind.
This was probably one of the most consistently hilarious episodes I've seen. All callers seemed ridiculous in one way or another
The lesbian woman, and then recent deconvert, seemed ridiculous???
I have watched every watchable episode of AXP and I have to say... Greg is the most confused caller I've heard on the show to date. At any rate, this was another awesome episode.
@A Light in the Dark Mr. ID? I believe I forgot about Him, lol
Matt is Great, but Don is a CHARM!
Don is icky.
cocatfan Don brings value.
Don brings NO value. He's a nice guy but has no incision in his answers.
The split brain video documentary is right here on TH-cam.
i love how christian college ads like to target me only when i watch this show 🤔
At Heist... That is so funny. As Hitchens said... you just can't get bored talking to theist apologists: you never know what they will come up with next... 😂😂😂
I thought Greg was a troll, just not a very good one. Then I remembered the theists are usually pretty good trolls. Poor Greg.
Sounded like he was very nervous.
Not a troll. Just a fucked up Chriztian.
He said he was an atheist
Your commentary to and caring for the caller from Maryland was wonderful. Thank you.
Matt could've been a bit more patient with the first caller. I feel like he hung up on him right as they were starting to make progress.
I agree I've been watching the show for a few years now so I'm used to him hanging up on people but that was kind of odd too me. Besides the 2nd caller was much less interesting
Yes, I felt that was unnecessary.
Yeah that was definitely unnecessary. He wasnt even being as unreasonable as others. He seemed like he was listening and that long pause definitely tells me he was seeing the errors in his thinking. I wish matt had kept that one going.
The caller hung up on Matt though...
50/50 that with that pause, he just turned off his brain. I've seen that defense mechanism kick in a lot.
St. John's wort is for depression. The NIH has data on their website that basically says, "sometimes it works better than a placebo in clinical studies."
Great show! Watching in Dothan AL
This is so simple to solve with 3 questions...1.Did god create everything?...2.Does god hate gays?..3.Why does god create things he hates? or...more specifically why does god create atheists?
What the hell was up with that 'Private Citizen' caller? Dude had the disposition of a miserable child. 1:27:53
He called last week and spoke longer. That episode might give you more information on him
@@silkiesmoove6268 What name did he use ?
he called in last week and said that he "believes in paradox and believes in mystery" and labels some sort of ultimate mystery as "God" but wants to still be called and atheist but also kind of doesn't want to be called an atheist and Matt trounced him so he called in with an attitude this time not wanting to talk to Matt.
@@MikeDixieWrecked I'm sorry, I just cannot remember.
@@Locust13 THAT'S HIM!? God, that guy was insufferable. He needs to never call again. And I actually thought Matt was getting through to him last week. Shame.
My heart goes out to people like Greg from Colorado. He's an excellent example of how religion totally messes up people's heads.
At Heist 😂😂😂😂😂
Wow. You guys totally broke Greg's brain. I've never actually heard thoughts come to a screaming halt before but there it was. Amazing.
😂😂😂😂
I can hear sadness in Chloe's voice (2nd caller). It breaks my heart that religion does this to people. I hope she learns to love herself and be proud of her sexuality. If she hasn't already I hope she meets someone who loves her for who she is. Enjoy the one life you know you have and don't justify yourself to anyone, lesst of all any god.
Good stuff lads, enjoyed that!
Calls start at 14:35
18:35 "The plural of anecdote is not data." -- Matt Dillahunty :-)
This is one of the worst group of callers in recent memory to the point they're making even me feel smart.
I LOVE this show. I've been a fan since 2007.
Has Matt tried the cow dung cure for his sinus infection? 😆
I use horse dung, because tetanus is fun.
What kind of idiot would allow their back to be smeared with cow shit?
@@JohnMorris-ge6hq That was actually my first thought. The second was "What kind of effing moron thought of trying it in the first place?"
I love your show very much,and I learn a lot from your guys.
30:35 Was that Greg from Colorado?
Or Stefan from SNL?
Lol i was trying to pinpoint where it sounded familiar in my head and you nailed it, funny!!
ab c lol- awesome 🤣
The contrapositive of "existence requires explanation" is "claims that don't require explanation are not existence claims". The implication of the former statement is that we're talking about a claim of existence.
So are twins horcruxes?!
If you have anything above triplets they will eventually form the Borg.
Yes!!
Lol
Love and appreciate you, DON!!
Greg sounds like kiff from futurama
He reminded me of Renfield out of early Dacula movies
I did miss the broadcast today, watching “Unbelievable,” but thankful that the show was recorded. This has been a most interesting show, with an unusual cast of callers. Like Don’s intro, of course. Surprised to see Otangelo here at all. Love this show. I, too, wish I had 5 billion dollars to do with as I wished, but I’m not letting that keep me from my contributions to humility in smaller financial ways, but with a greater commitment of personal time and effort.
Greg smoking that good Colorado stuff
Greg: “I can show that god exists. It’s not hard.”
And yet Greg never shows that any gods exist.😂
Greg sounds like somebody needs to bring him some oxygen.
I never understood how a perfect entity could created an imperfect being. There's a contradiction in there somewhere.
Not to mention, he is all seeing and all knowing and has a perfect plan, so how the fuck does he ever get angry when what he created does something he by definition planned to happen? You really have to suspend logic and reason to believe any of his stories.
He is perfect*...
*if you lower your standards enough, much much lower than you'd judge people by.
My favourite part was watching the live chat replay when they picked up Otangelo's call XD
"god may have his reasons but he seems to use psychotics to carry out his job orders."
-- fox mulder, the x-files
... and he seems to rely on simpletons to communicate his infinite wisdom.
I SO can relate to Jeff. I'm in FL too, & in a very red county w/ a mega church & everything. I struggle with this myself, especially several months ago when their grandmother died, & other family members on their father's side told them she was in heaven now. So I was asked what heaven is, & if Grandma was really there now, why did she leave & go there, etc. I just said no one actually knows what heaven is or if it's real, but people like to think it is. I've also been asked by my kids what church is, since they've now heard about it at school from other kids asking what church they go to, or talking about going to church. I did my best to explain about some people having a certain belief, but as I began agreeing they immediately became disinterested, for which I was relieved! But I'm sure it'll come up again later & I'm trying to be prepared with a better response
Gregg is the perfect example how religion can destroy someones soul and mind.
Sad.
Soul? When was that proven to be a thing?
Reminds me that Robin Williams movie called What Dreams May Come. You die and go to heaven and then choose the next life that you want to live. Then your soul is re-injected into a new child
Thank you for hanging up on a tangelo I always have felt like he was bulshit
*I've written this a few times on the Rogan podcast - suggesting I'd love to see matt on his podcast!! I would fucking love it!!!*
Greg sounds just like Will Forte’s character “Senator Tim Calhoun”
With Greg, I think it was a combination of being nervous and thinking kind of faster than he was speaking. I do hope that he can fine tune his points and calls again because it might be a fun philosophical conversation.
oh no, Ortangelo once again. He never give up though
He has become a meme.
@@seanjones2456 Some kind of hubris meme.
I thought he had been put out to pasture on Talk Heathen.
The jump from making a watch to making a dog is mind bending!
Don´t you hear the cries from the dog factory? They should make it illegal!
@@lennarthedlund9783 :D, so funny!
Greg needs to up his meds.
Greg got some shit from the comment section.
I would say he at least tries to process the information that was given to him. Can't say that about a lot of theists.
Greg my man. Hell yeah haha
a god doesn't exist that is worthy of MY worship.
Good idea about Antangelo... someone should compile his calls, eliminating enough repetition to make them listenable.
Midtown Sacramento, CA, representing!
Happy Godless Sunday, ya'll
:)
Citrus Heights, CA
Lake Havasu City, Arizona~
Great video as always
Awww no cough before the intro song anymore?
Wow Greg was hilariously nervous. I would probably be nervous too but I hope I wouldn't be that nervous.
Somebody reboot Greg
Yay the Otangelo method of not listening to anything anyone else says and getting offended when that doesn't work. At least he's persistent.
19:12 A bit too mean. Dude didn't deserve that hangup.
ya i agree but the caller clearly had no argument.
Yes he did.
I wish they'd taken that call further too.
Get the impression that his debating skills are so much better when he is standing in front of his bed lecturing all of his stuffed animals and dolls?
Otangelo is completely dishonest. He relies on vague language, misrepresentations of science and Gish gallop entirely. I've talked to him on the phone and through FB, he finally blocked me when I destroyed his misquotes and syllogisms.
I talked to him on Facebook too - he stopped responding after a day or so. We had a chat about evolution - he posted his personal blog to 'disprove' evolution, whereas my sources included encyclopedias, science textbooks, science magazines, 150 years of research in Biology/Genetics/Anthropology/Paleontology, and the nonfiction section of the library
@@zenon3021 That stuff really demonstrates where the real bias and denialism comes from...
Talking to Otangled doesn't sound like a good time.
@@zenon3021 He loves that blog, and tries to overwhelm opponents by copy/pasting large passages into conversations, but it's horribly written and basically a collection of arguments from ignorance. He refuses to read primary literature and loves misrepresenting scientific positions.
During conception is my favorite time personally, thats when I felt something.
Listening to Greg was an unpleasant cringe-worthy experience and I was deeply troubled when Matt encouraged him to call back in the future. One Greg call is already too many.
A very interesting topic!
3 words you will NEVER hear in Canada.....it's too hot! One of my favorite things on this show is watching Don's reactions to what the lunatics are claiming...roflmao
How can a god create you and then hate that he created you gay? This in it's self is proof of no god or he could just stop creating gays that he hates!
Never is a long time. Give it a few years. After all, one day in the distant future, the whole planet will be hot enough to have boiled the seas dry.
@@r.scottmacleod4564 They believe God only creates hetero souls. That´s why christians say that homosexuality is a disease that can be cured. Or that it is something you choose, and therefore is an immoral act against God.
Huh? I live in Toronto, Ontario and Canadians In the summer say IT'S TOO HOT all the time. it can get as high as 33 C. And with the humidity it can fell like 40 C. I live in Toronto and that statement makes no sense. For some reason many Americans seem to think Canada is some Artic zone where it's cold all the time.
FYI : For Southern Ontario our Winters are cold - 30 C (windchill it can sometimes feel like-40 C)
And In summer 30 C and higher are very common. And the humidity here makes it worse. In the middle of the summer walking outside can feel like you just walked into a giant oven.
i always had a problem with quantum computing, you have to stop the computer from accessing the data in order to preserve the qubits uncertainty principle, so when do you know when to check the data? you could break the whole qubit CPU board, its not like a microwave and a bell goes off, the observer effect will cause the cesium atoms wave function to collapse, or am i missing something, because i know we do have qubits now but they require a giant chamber