I gotta say, Saad is persistent. One of my problems with Islam's validity that I have stated to Muslims is that there is no reason to believe that Muhammad did not make it all up. He supposedly had encounters with an archangel when alone and during those meetings was told the "word of God" which became the Quran. I can think of several very good, very plausible reasons why Muhammad would have made it all up. If someone proclaimed that they spoke to an archangel, why would anyone believe that? It is no different than my saying that I spent yesterday aboard a UFO orbiting earth. Should that be believed?
There are a lot of aspects of the various religions that if you stepped back and looked at them logically, they can actually look pretty silly and maybe even bizarre. I would think that the concept of a person coming back to life and walking around would need actual real evidence to be accepted. But apparently not. There are many firsthand eyewitness accounts of Bigfoot but what rational person believes in Bigfoot? Yet with less evidence, those same people believe in the Resurrection.
Saad seems like a legit cool guy. I like him...I just do. He seems quite intelligent and ethical and reasonable. Having said that....he's harboring a lot of cognitive dissonance and is quite unreasonable at times. Oh well....I prefer living in a world with someone like Saad than a _whole lot_ of other people. He's alright in my book. At least he's willing to challenge and be challenged. That's admirable enough.
I agree. Honestly the UFO analogy is the most common one I use in conversations but some of them believe UFOs are real too so it gets funny from that point. Also I feel that Saad is on the road to atheism, atleast he is trying to get outside the religious box for starters.
@Neelzen I don't often see the argument for Muhammad concocting the whole story of an archangel. To me it seems like a undeniable argument against what is really the whole foundation of Islam. It is the same argument against Joseph Smith seeing an angel and the subsequent Book of Mormon. There is a clear lack of thought among many Muslim when it comes to Islam. I have heard "how could Muhammad write a book when he was illiterate?" Rather than to explain the obvious, I now ask the person to stop and think about it for a few minutes and take into account that Muhammad was surrounded by people many of whom were literate and almost all could speak and present ideas. And then there are the various mathematical and literary miracles in the Quran which are not miracles at all.
I love the soap box that Matt goes on at about 1:05:00. So well put, worthy of comment. I remember seeing this episode when it was first issued, his thoughts have stuck with me since, so glad my deep dive lead me back this episode. Also, we miss you ,Don.
time is the phenomenon of things not happening all at once. So "our time"...things happening in our universe started with a big bang event.....but things happening in the Cosmos is a different...movie.
Thank you all at the Atheist Experience You all have been very helpful in my healing from the toxic indoctrination I endured as a child in catholic school I also had to distance myself from my sister who keep trying to fear me back to her distorted beliefs and were very harmful to me as I began to see reason I’m now 69 years old and it has taken me years to get that crap out off my head I now don’t believe that monster god of the bible exits Cheers from Melbourne Australia ❤️🌹❤️
That is something I do not understand. When I was six years old I already understood the Bible was a book of nonsense. Good for you you are out of it but I just cannot understand how you can get into it in the first place.
@@tomlutes3373 I might have the plus of never listening to them parents anyway. Had some hard times and in some cases should have listened better but it has formed me to who I am today. Well they are not my parents to begin with as well. I lost them before I could even understand in a car crash when I was about half a year old, I was the sole survivor of the crash, my sister (4 years old) also died in the crash. I almost died myself and was in hospital for 5 months. I broke almost every bone imaginable and it is a wonder I survived. I was flung out of the car in my seat and was found 200 meters from the accident. Can't remember a thing about it only what I have been told. My aunt and uncle raised me as if I was their child.
ForOdinAndAsgard To help you understand I went to catholic school when I was five years old when sadistic nuns taught at all catholic schools I did try to question once but was shut down and told not to question and have faith I was scared of god, hell ,the devil ,the priests and violence from the nuns I arrived in Australia as a 12 month child from Italy after WW 2, in 1951 to a racist country where many hated “wogs, dagoes “ and remember many times being told to go back where I came from. My father returned after 8 years as a prisoner of wall with mental health issues and there was domestic violence in my family of origin home and I feared him as well I had no opportunity to get any other opinions anywhere and so was brainwashed and believed what I was told I now have taught my grandchildren to question and think critically about religion and thankfully they also have rational thinking parents I was a timid scared child growing up in the 1950`s not having a phone, access to books, the internet or others I could speak to about my fears My mum was frightened of thunder as she thought it was caused by evil spirits, she was born in 1911 and was also indoctrinated My sister is still a fundamental catholic and believes in Adam and Eve and all the other crap, she’s 85 You may have been mentally stronger than me Regards 🌸
Saad's clear and concise arguments blow me a way. Here's an example, almost verbatim @1:22:00 "yeah, honestly that's a good..in my opinion I.. I feel like, like you know you need, honestly speaking, you know if we, if we just not, if we just ignore, if we just look at the fact that philosophically you know, I mean I don't know, I've always felt like are.. you know when you meditate like the previous call and you meditate and especially the Sufi way of doing it, I've been doing it recently and you know er..you know it's suddenly when you elevate yourself to a higher plane you feel like you..... Yeah thanks Saad, it's really great listening to you and for so long.
Saad seems like a legit cool guy. I like him...I just do. He seems quite intelligent and ethical and reasonable. Having said that....he's harboring a lot of cognitive dissonance and is quite unreasonable at times. Oh well....I prefer living in a world with someone like Saad than a _whole lot_ of other people. He's alright in my book. At least he's willing to challenge and be challenged. That's admirable enough.
Them: We want religious freedom! Me: Freedom, to do what? Them: To use our religious views to treat others like crap! Me: I don't think religious freedom means what you think it means...
@@teardrop-in-a-fishbowl I accept that a situation may arise when we are discussing competing freedoms. However, when we are discussing a guaranteed freedom verses a religious belief we are talking a legally recognized freedom verses the right to hold an unfounded belief. I don't have to tell you how I'd decide in such a situation.
I know this is an old episode but if any Christian ever reads this basically what Matt is telling that one caller is if you disproved evolution, and if you disproved every other religion on the world you still haven't proven the Christian God is real. That's a whole nother job in itself.
I like Thomas. I don't agree with his reasoning overall, but what I really appreciate is that his arguments do seem to be largely unique, not just regurgitated apologetics talking points. He also seems willing to make admissions when his arguments have flaws. Thomas is by far one of the best types of theist callers. He's always extremely polite, willing to listen, willing to learn, and go back to the drawing board at the end to formulate a new line of argumention. I'm a fan of his as a caller.
"Would you classify evolution a fact or a theory?" Bing bing bing WE HAVE A WINNER! This explains why he is having a problem, He is lacking a science education. It is gonna be hard for him to progress.
@Frances Snowflake I know, theories are the explanation of the natural world based on a body of facts. I would say most people in the united states do not know what a scientific theory is or how the word differs from the colloquial theory. Our vice president is a perfect example.
Frank Atwood, theories are based on verifiable facts but are sometimes not themselves verifiable, at least not yet. See e.g. String Theory. Also, see Zeno's, that's to say Fletcher's Paradox about how one can go astray with mathematics that seems perfectly logical
Wow - Saad's got a friend who "fully believes in the Hoggs Bison"? That validates everything Saad has to say, then. His scientific expertise is now beyond doubt. He has a friend who has proof of the existence of the pigalo.
Matt was always salty. Compare his early talks to how each call starts now. He's tried to cultivate a more "positive atheism" persona on air in recent years as its a better approach for dealing with theists, but it doesn't take much for the salt to come back!
On birthdays: Lewis Black said something like "If you send me a birthday card that says "Happy 50th birthday, you are not my friend. My friends know that I am 35." This was part of a bit about how somehow "if you think it, it is true" is now a thing amongst american politics.
Thanks Guys for an amazing show, this show really gave me clarity on loads of Questions i had for Religion, I was raised Anglican and being born and raised in Cape Town SA where Religion and Ancestral worship is huge it saddens me to see how many people here are so Gullible into being tricked into Religious believes that will miraculously remove all their problems...not so for me, i always knew something did not sit right with Religion in General and this show just confirm many thing for me, but there are still lots that needs to be cleared up for me...Tx again all...
I admire Matt for having the patience to slog through all these tiresome defense mechanisms and make the callers face the actual questions being asked.
Torrey: "But how do you falsify Evolution?" Matt: "For example, you find a rabbit fossil form pre-cambrian times." Torrey: "But that's non sequitur." :'D ...and he believes having a funny dream therefore abrahamic god of the middle east follows perfectly.
I had the opportunity to move to Austin six years ago. I didn't do it ultimately because the stigma of being a gay man, living in the south weighed very heavily on me. I simply didn't want to be subjected to that. After growing up in southern California, I permanently lost a friend because she moved to Austin. She was a truly lovely, smart and funny young lady back in the day. After moving to Texas, she absorbed the most insidious parts of Texas culture. She became overtly racist towards African Americans, Mexicans and even those of the LGBTQ community. Though she strangely gave me a strange 'grandfather pass', despite knowing full well I was gay from way back in freshman year of high school. I blame Texan culture for the loss of my friend. She was poisoned by the gross stereotype most other Americans abhor southerners for. I like watching this show because it is proof that not everyone in Austin is the same. That has to count for something...
Consciousness is a complicated thing to understand, but one thing we know for sure is it’s a feature of brains. If you think it lives outside a brain, try having brain damage and see how your consciousness feels then.
Don : “Let me say something about faith, and that is, I consider it a good way to be wrong. And the reason is, of all the different claims you could make, most of them are gonna be wrong. And so since faith can support anything at all, you’re very likely going to be led to the wrong conclusion from faith.” This was well stated and thought provoking. Thank you don!! You always state things in a way that makes me think!
Just so you guys know, when Saad mentions hookah and shisha, all he's talking about is flavored tobacco. The high he's talking about is just a nicotine high, not anything like the high you get from THC or LSD. It's just a strong nicotine buzz.
Here's a laymans version of how the elements came about. All the heavy elements were created in collapsing stars. The initial stars were hydrogen. Fusion took place and helium and lighter elements were created. The stars in later stages started to produce heavier elements. Eventually these stars went nova and produced the heaviest elements. The next wave of stars started as mainly hydrogen and helium, with small amounts of heavy elements. Then the process of fusion took place:- repeat what happened in the first wave of stars.
Matt and Tracey are the most clear thinking people I've ever seen. It puzzles me how they believed in God till they were adults. I stopped believing when I was 14
Thats simple humans are not naturally logical or rational...those tools have to be learned and some people dont have access to that information as quickly as others.
The 2nd caller around the 40:00 mark says that God revealed himself to him in multiple different ways. Christians are always saying that if God were to reveal himself that would take away free will. So... Can someone PLEASE ask these Christians what it's like to live without free will the MOMENT they make these kinds of "god intervened/revealed himself" statements?
I hope people saying 'I"m going to reformat/reconsider etc aren't meaning 'I'm going to find other ways to win my case, regardless if it's true or not.'
I watched half of this show and Matt has more patience then he has in the past but still has his strong personality! SAAD was a bit frustrating! Yes I am like Matt it’s hard for me to get past you think it was ever okay for a 9 year old to be married to an adult! But as he goes on I get the sense he is looking for answers to believe and is on a path were he will hit a hall of not being able to make more excuses for it!
Helen Golod let’s certainly hope so. I’m not sure if Saad is a regular caller from past episodes (Listening now but haven’t got to the calls yet) his name sounds familiar, but if it is him (or whoever the theist caller was) he was tip toeing and arguing around the child marriage before...how indoctrinated does one have to be to justify this shit, and at the same time argue for stoning homosexuals. Religion is a plague, and it’s horrifically amazing to watch people argue evil while calling it love. Edit: just finished listening to it ...same guy but he does sound close to coming around, I credit Matt and his hookah:)
@@j.oaklley8965 To be honest your comment is less mature than the one from VideoAudioDisco09. All those emojis are something of a give-away, the number of exclamation marks is not a good indicator and the comment itself is mindlessly pointless; at least VAD09 has humour on his side. Are you 8? ;-)
Regarding first caller, I think it's important to clarity that "every action has an equal and opposite reaction" is only a law of Newtonian physics, not of physics in general. It certainly isn't with General Relativity and Quantum phsycis
Talking to Saad is totally useless. Just because the guy is friendly doesn't mean he doesn't have intellectual blinders on and isn't just eating up a bunch of time.
You are correct! Churches benefit from taxpayer subsidies. They get free police and fire protection. They get the roads leading to their holy places maintained by the taxpayer. They pay no sales or property tax. They have no financial accountability whilst indirectly sucking at the teat of the tax payer. Churches, at a minimum, should pay for fire and police services. Church = scam.
I had some church for christ at the door a couple of weeks ago and I owned them thanks to the info and arguments I've heard on the atheist experience so thanks for the sword of reason that I was using against them. Usually I wouldn't know what to say to cold callers but on this occasion the tables had definitely turned. Thanks guys and girls you're awesome!
Jean S Don Baker is one of 5 people I would choose to have along if stranded on an deserted island. His calm manner and wonderful laugh would help make the drudgery of survival in that situation bearable. Actually I take that back, I wouldn’t want to punish him for being a nice person! In that scenario I should choose the 5 most obnoxious people I know to get them out of society.
At 25:33 Matt says: "There's no reason to think that there ever was or could be from nothing" Lawrence Krauss' book "A Universe from Nothing" is a prime example of that. My issue with what Matt said is this: If there was never nothing, how did the big bang happened? Even better, if that "nothing" singularity appeared from nowhere then how can something appear from nothing?
- The Big Bang didn't come from nothing. It describes an expansion event of existing matter. - There is no evidence that 'nothing' did or could exist. Something existed prior to the Big Bang. I don't see why so many people have a problem understanding this.
Abortion is in the bible. According to Numbers 5:11-31, if a woman is suspected of cheating she is to be brought to the priest and the priest is to give her holy water. If nothing happens than she didn't cheat. If she cheats, according to the bible, the holy water is supposed to cause her belly to swell and for her to have a miscarry than she cheated. Causing a miscarry is abortion by definition ad to make matters worse, the woman, like many other things, has no say in the bible.
"The God Particle" was a misquote. One of the scientists (I forget his name) called it "the goddamned particle" because no matter how hard they looked for it they kept not finding it. Obviously they just hadn't 'looked' forcefully enough yet. ;)
It would be nice if more people called the show who actually were interested in knowing what is likely true and real rather than calling in to make some challenge with no interest in pursing the logical truth.
Saad, just stick to the hookah man, maybe try some bhang. And also lookout, now that you've called axp and what you half jokingly said, you might be declared a blasphemer.
@@lewiscot Yes he seems to be willing to question but is still quite defensive towards his faith. I think that because he's surrounded by people who share his beliefs, he's not aware of a good life without those beliefs.
Shantanu Rastogi maybe that’s hope that eventually he will change but it’s hard when everyone around convinces you of one thing! Maybe he will find the courage one day with the knowledge he has learned
As I’ve pointed out before (and frankly I’m surprised no one on the AE has ever brought this up) Christians should think themselves VERY lucky that no notable male character in the Bible is recorded as taking a child bride. Given that this was a commonplace practice in those times it’s almost inevitable that someone did; imagine the discomfort today of having to attempt to defend that position instead of (as many Christians do) queuing up to slap down poor old Mohammed.
I really love this movement and this channel. I spy a noodle monster to the right :) Man i would love to be on that show. I don't know how well i would synergize , i am a better listener and i can be very articulate so i heard but i don't normally conversate much with people , i like to think deeply and inquire , i am not the greatest small talker. Not saying this is small talk , i am an idealist so it's hard for me to stay on a certain topic for long, eh idk lol. Philosophy and Religion are amazing topics and deserve focused attention for sure. Philoshopy and Science go hand and hand , the greatest scienctist are also philoshopers.
You've gone from asserting, "You can tell," to asserting as fact that, Matt is competitive." It's irrelevant. The question you should be asking yourself is why you think it's relevant.
@@Zachorazor1 No, it's been demonstrated. If you watch the show, there's plenty of examples of games of the competitive nature that he enjoys. Plus, debating is inevitably competitive. Chill. I was watching the show and I'm actually identifying with the competitiveness we both obviously share. You're being way too analytical..but we can do that if you want. I'm pretty good at that too as you can see.
@@MrRed-cf6gk No, you're not. You just keep making claims based on assumptions. You chill. You didn't answer my question, probably because that requires insight and you don't know how to be honest with yourself. I'm muting you now because you have no reasoning to offer, it seems.
0:30:18 Thomas: "... for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction..." This is from Newton's third law of motion, it doesn't apply to morals which is probably what Thomas was implying. Actions simply result in reactions.
Well newtonian physics effect our brains processes and moral functions are part of brains so basicly we can't control those functions or causal processes our brains interaction with external causal world! Then our motion, thoughts, memories and morality is purely depending causalistic brains and then we can't control anything! Of course this not prove god anyway just that free will is most likely illusion!
@Almighty Bunny That's cool, I think my point was that it's not equal and opposite. I wouldn't say we can't control absolutely anything, since I can change my mind on what to type, but my decisions depend on whatever my brain can muster up at the moment.
Islam is great for a lot of women too. Just look at how free they are to get jobs in Saudi Arabia and how free they are to wear or not wear a hijab or nikab in the west and talk back to men who call them whores and tell them they deserve to get raped and murdered. Who wouldn't want to submit to such a merciful, loving and wise god? Did I mention that Muhammed fought for women's rights that no woman in the west had at the time and that Islam was on the frontier of natural philosophy, astrology and maths? That's right! Islam is beast! What? You're wondering what happened with science and women's rights in Islam in the last 10 centuries? Eh... well... you see... a backwards ideology can only truly prove itself by its action of actually going backwards. The biblical god is evil, retarded or both, but Allah is evil and retrotarded. Allah > Yahwe, in some sense. I'm sure it's a virtue in some circles, mostly fundamentally theistic circles.
@@stylis666 Don't straw man arguments like saying men call them whore and deserve to get raped and murdured as that's just the actions of the few and their always messed up people in any culture with messed up ideas. People being free and having equal rights (both men and woman) is the best scynario for both men and woman to prevent abuse and people being taken advantage of. I agree islam wasnt more advanced at one stage at it was going great all until that bleady so called prophet who proclaimed maths was practically evil, now all Islamic country's are looked at as backward stale places for ideas
I must be psychic. Just as Torry was asked why he doesn't get vaccinated I thought "because hes a conspiracy theorist" and instantly he said "I'm a conspiracy theorist" lol
Thomas: The subjective experience part of consciousness is just the brain watching itself. Circular (feedback loop) navigation system. For those that may not get the meaning of this: Whenever a theist attempts to convince others of a god, (or some other kind of supernatural fantasy) he likes to find some kind of mystery that we don't fully understand, and tries to smuggle in a "god of the gap" explanation. In this case, Thomas has brought up the age-old problem of the subjective experience of consciousness. Many theistic philosophers have tried to claim that this experience can't be explained by the mechanics and processes of physical brains. They claim that there must be some kind of "ghost in the machine", separate from the physical processes. However, years of research in neuroscience, have found that our brains process data from multiple inputs to create models of the world around us, in order to navigate it. This process involves a continuous feedback loop. This process also creates an image in our brains, like a video processor, and the continuous interplay of watching and creating can be a mundane, perfectly natural, explanation for the subjective experience of consciousness. And just like the video processor, once the power goes off, the show stops.
@@Never-mind1960 Your camry is not aware of itself or aware of others. So it is not conscious that is what "and" the top scientist in the field of computer technology agree with me there is not even 1 scientist that say we have self aware AI. Look it up for yourself or i can give you the source or links. Lie i said conscious is aware of self and other than self
@@figureeight2167 It's all a matter of degree. Your brain's navigation system is just tricking you into thinking you're special to get what the selfish genes want.
@@Never-mind1960 No consciousness is not a matter of degree. you are either aware of self and other than self or you are not.. Even the hosts matt and don agree with this definition. Humans hunt and gather food, build shelter attack enemies and try to avoid danger. We do things for ourselves. Your camry is only running a program that a human directed it to do. "AI systems can now outperform humans at playing chess and Go, recognizing faces, and driving safely. Even so, most researchers say truly conscious machines - ones that don’t just run programs but have feelings and are self-aware - are decades away. " says Justin Hart, a computer scientist at the University of Texas. That is a quote from one of the top scientist in the field and he agrees with me, there is no robot or AI on this earth that has reached self awareness. Self awareness is not running programs that a human downloaded into you, you must be self sufficient doing things on your own behalf, for yourself. Even the scientist that did the top AI consciousness test and created the most advanced robots so far agrees with me on the subject. here is a quote from him. "Right now, the main thing holding AI back from being truly self-aware is the fact that they simply can't crunch as much data -...-roboticists are at a loss as to how to stitch all that information together to build a cohesive picture of the world," says Prof. Selmer Bringsjord is the chair of the Department of Cognitive Science at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute and a professor of Computer Science and Cognitive Science. These 2 scientist are at the forefront of this groundbreaking technology and they agree with me, AI is not yet self aware. So no your car is not conscious it is not aware of itself. I can give you more links or quotes from other top researchers they all agree with me. Im sure their credentials on the subject dwarfs yours.
“Every action has an equal and opposite reaction” is Newton’s third law of MOTION specifically relating to MASS and FORCE. It doesn’t mean that every happening (occurrence) has a reaction.
You misquoted, conscious has knowledge of self as well of other than self. Your computer is not aware of me, or other people that i may bring into contact with it. My grandma could be talking to your computer and touching it at the same time and your computer would not have knowledge to distinguish her from a voice recording. so no, what you mentioned is not that cool.
@@figureeight2167 So my phone knows my face, my voice, AND my fingerprint. It's got face unlock, fingerprint unlock, and voice unlock. Does that make it conscious? It can also identify my friends in photos. It's a thing that FaceBook does. So my phone (computer) must be conscious.
@@TomorrowisYesterday you are saying your phone knows you, the definition is knows itself and other than self. Like i said if my grandma was touching and talking to your phone at the same time. your phone would not be able to to tell the difference between her and a voice recording, or her and her sister whom looks like her.
@@TomorrowisYesterday Not only are computers not aware of the people who created them, they aren't even aware of themselves. Computers are programs made by humans to solve problems, some hold more computational power than others. Computers can solve many problems, the catch is computers don't know they can solve these problems. they are not conscious
Sanctified Spaghetti, do I love these people, what they do for others and what they have done for each other. Sending some solidarity from Wellington, NZ
Prove to me Jesus is nt real,my friend was in a motorcycle accident she got bad head injury because her helmet came off and she was in a comma for a week and the doctors where going to takeher off life support snd she survied after they said she was going to die
I’m an agnostic atheist as well, but I would like to hear your opinions on whether or not businesses have the right to discriminate. I would consider myself a moderate Libertarian, so I am okay with businesses discriminating to some extent, but I also would not buy from a business that discriminates.
ps: On my travels I once mistakenly said _what the FUCK_ (out loud), in a restaurant in Islamabad, Pakistan, when the bill turned out 4 times what it said on the menu (I mean, it was still cheap and I was about to pay, when it slipped out too). It was in a time that _anything_ with the word _fuck_ in it, was perceived as: *_"go fuck your mother,"_* and thus a very volatile thing to say. It took me a lot of: _"Oh, no no no, not you, but me, cause I'm stupid"_ to not get beat up. Then I saw one of the angry people was having a (very none-Islamic) beer, so I said: _"let me buy you guys a drink, okay?"_ and I ended up playing darts with them till daybreak. (only me and that other guy drank beer, to be honest ;-) O well: just a memory that popped up, as Matt was using the word to a Pakistani, I thought to share.
This guy says he doesn't believe in religion and proceeds to quote the bible wtf. He says God loves us and yet he created light and darkness good and evil like he's a manipulative sadist? Maybe this person should listen to his own argument before he opens his mouth. Maybe I missed something but it seems like he believes in the judeo Christian God
Evolution is a non-sequitur from theism and atheism. It's true that the fact of evolution disproves specifically the Abrahamic creation story (and probably a few others), but this is purely incidental.
At 36 mins in I might have mentioned the action of the Weak Force which appears to be non-deterministic hence 'not' a result of cause and effect. Just being helpful- I hope.
Hey Saad, I once did salvia in college and I still to this day (10yrs later) have vivid memories of when I feel off the universe. Yup, I was so high I thought I feel off the universe, and it wasn't scary, it was just another plane of existence ;) and that is why personal experiences are not evidence, and appealing to higher planes makes no sense
I am of the impression that a lot of people don't understand what 'believe' really means. They don't think of their beliefs as absolute convictions. Instead they use the word to mean 'I think x is possible' or 'I think x is likely', and then when questioned about it as if they're /convinced/ x is true, they feel like they're being told x is impossible.
I gotta say, Saad is persistent. One of my problems with Islam's validity that I have stated to Muslims is that there is no reason to believe that Muhammad did not make it all up. He supposedly had encounters with an archangel when alone and during those meetings was told the "word of God" which became the Quran. I can think of several very good, very plausible reasons why Muhammad would have made it all up. If someone proclaimed that they spoke to an archangel, why would anyone believe that? It is no different than my saying that I spent yesterday aboard a UFO orbiting earth. Should that be believed?
There are a lot of aspects of the various religions that if you stepped back and looked at them logically, they can actually look pretty silly and maybe even bizarre. I would think that the concept of a person coming back to life and walking around would need actual real evidence to be accepted. But apparently not. There are many firsthand eyewitness accounts of Bigfoot but what rational person believes in Bigfoot? Yet with less evidence, those same people believe in the Resurrection.
So how was the trip? (Trollolol)
Saad seems like a legit cool guy. I like him...I just do. He seems quite intelligent and ethical and reasonable.
Having said that....he's harboring a lot of cognitive dissonance and is quite unreasonable at times.
Oh well....I prefer living in a world with someone like Saad than a _whole lot_ of other people. He's alright in my book. At least he's willing to challenge and be challenged. That's admirable enough.
I agree. Honestly the UFO analogy is the most common one I use in conversations but some of them believe UFOs are real too so it gets funny from that point. Also I feel that Saad is on the road to atheism, atleast he is trying to get outside the religious box for starters.
@Neelzen I don't often see the argument for Muhammad concocting the whole story of an archangel. To me it seems like a undeniable argument against what is really the whole foundation of Islam. It is the same argument against Joseph Smith seeing an angel and the subsequent Book of Mormon. There is a clear lack of thought among many Muslim when it comes to Islam. I have heard "how could Muhammad write a book when he was illiterate?" Rather than to explain the obvious, I now ask the person to stop and think about it for a few minutes and take into account that Muhammad was surrounded by people many of whom were literate and almost all could speak and present ideas.
And then there are the various mathematical and literary miracles in the Quran which are not miracles at all.
A lovely sequence of people being schooled by Matt. I cannot think of a better way to spend my time on youtube.
I love the soap box that Matt goes on at about 1:05:00. So well put, worthy of comment. I remember seeing this episode when it was first issued, his thoughts have stuck with me since, so glad my deep dive lead me back this episode. Also, we miss you ,Don.
If the idea of something before time is nonsensical, how do you explain the fourteen Land Before Time movies?
Steve Davis yep yep yep
You go without.... Petrie???
time is the phenomenon of things not happening all at once. So "our time"...things happening in our universe started with a big bang event.....but things happening in the Cosmos is a different...movie.
The one question no atheist can answer.
@@sapago4166 I just did sir.......
Thank you all at the Atheist Experience
You all have been very helpful in my healing from the toxic indoctrination I endured as a child in catholic school
I also had to distance myself from my sister who keep trying to fear me back to her distorted beliefs and were very harmful to me as I began to see reason
I’m now 69 years old and it has taken me years to get that crap out off my head
I now don’t believe that monster god of the bible exits
Cheers from Melbourne Australia ❤️🌹❤️
That is something I do not understand. When I was six years old I already understood the Bible was a book of nonsense. Good for you you are out of it but I just cannot understand how you can get into it in the first place.
@@ForOdinAndAsgard it's not that hard. Children are acculurated and inculcated by their parents. It can take time to undo the damage.
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I might have the plus of never listening to them parents anyway. Had some hard times and in some cases should have listened better but it has formed me to who I am today. Well they are not my parents to begin with as well. I lost them before I could even understand in a car crash when I was about half a year old, I was the sole survivor of the crash, my sister (4 years old) also died in the crash. I almost died myself and was in hospital for 5 months. I broke almost every bone imaginable and it is a wonder I survived. I was flung out of the car in my seat and was found 200 meters from the accident. Can't remember a thing about it only what I have been told. My aunt and uncle raised me as if I was their child.
ForOdinAndAsgard
To help you understand
I went to catholic school when I was five years old when sadistic nuns taught at all catholic schools
I did try to question once but was shut down and told not to question and have faith
I was scared of god, hell ,the devil ,the priests and violence from the nuns
I arrived in Australia as a 12 month child from Italy after WW 2, in 1951 to a racist country where many hated “wogs, dagoes “ and remember many times being told to go back where I came from.
My father returned after 8 years as a prisoner of wall with mental health issues and there was domestic violence in my family of origin home and I feared him as well
I had no opportunity to get any other opinions anywhere and so was brainwashed and believed what I was told
I now have taught my grandchildren to question and think critically about religion and thankfully they also have rational thinking parents
I was a timid scared child growing up in the 1950`s not having a phone, access to books, the internet or others I could speak to about my fears
My mum was frightened of thunder as she thought it was caused by evil spirits, she was born in 1911 and was also indoctrinated
My sister is still a fundamental catholic and believes in Adam and Eve and all the other crap, she’s 85
You may have been mentally stronger than me
Regards 🌸
Tom Lutes
Thanks for your support
😘
Saad's clear and concise arguments blow me a way. Here's an example, almost verbatim @1:22:00 "yeah, honestly that's a good..in my opinion I.. I feel like, like you know you need, honestly speaking, you know if we, if we just not, if we just ignore, if we just look at the fact that philosophically you know, I mean I don't know, I've always felt like are.. you know when you meditate like the previous call and you meditate and especially the Sufi way of doing it, I've been doing it recently and you know er..you know it's suddenly when you elevate yourself to a higher plane you feel like you.....
Yeah thanks Saad, it's really great listening to you and for so long.
Took me about halfway through to realize there wasn't going to be an argument lol, his long-windedness continues in the comments!
Saad seems like a legit cool guy. I like him...I just do. He seems quite intelligent and ethical and reasonable.
Having said that....he's harboring a lot of cognitive dissonance and is quite unreasonable at times.
Oh well....I prefer living in a world with someone like Saad than a _whole lot_ of other people. He's alright in my book. At least he's willing to challenge and be challenged. That's admirable enough.
@@avedic
Didn't he try to say it was ok to marry a nine year old in one call?
John Newton Elevating yourself “to a higher plane” (on-flight) however does indeed make you feel er... like, well... anyways, yes he’s incoherent.
Sorry that was too easy, couldn’t help myself
Them: We want religious freedom!
Me: Freedom, to do what?
Them: To use our religious views to treat others like crap!
Me: I don't think religious freedom means what you think it means...
"Freedom is always the freedom of those who think differently." Rosa L.
@@teardrop-in-a-fishbowl freedom does not mean the freedom to do detestable and unconstitutional things. Waltham1892.
@@Waltham1892 That´s why we have laws which limit freedom. Denying someones freedom, because of my own, is always wrong in the first place.
@@teardrop-in-a-fishbowl I accept that a situation may arise when we are discussing competing freedoms. However, when we are discussing a guaranteed freedom verses a religious belief we are talking a legally recognized freedom verses the right to hold an unfounded belief.
I don't have to tell you how I'd decide in such a situation.
Exactly!
I like Don’s jovial laugh. Great for breaking tension.
he may have stolen that laugh from jacob sullum
har har har har har
I find it annoying.
I know this is an old episode but if any Christian ever reads this basically what Matt is telling that one caller is if you disproved evolution, and if you disproved every other religion on the world you still haven't proven the Christian God is real. That's a whole nother job in itself.
I like Thomas. I don't agree with his reasoning overall, but what I really appreciate is that his arguments do seem to be largely unique, not just regurgitated apologetics talking points. He also seems willing to make admissions when his arguments have flaws. Thomas is by far one of the best types of theist callers. He's always extremely polite, willing to listen, willing to learn, and go back to the drawing board at the end to formulate a new line of argumention. I'm a fan of his as a caller.
"Would you classify evolution a fact or a theory?" Bing bing bing WE HAVE A WINNER! This explains why he is having a problem, He is lacking a science education. It is gonna be hard for him to progress.
@Frances Snowflake So many callers believe that a theory is just some idea. It is a common boneheaded statement made from time to time.
@Frances Snowflake I know, theories are the explanation of the natural world based on a body of facts. I would say most people in the united states do not know what a scientific theory is or how the word differs from the colloquial theory. Our vice president is a perfect example.
Theories are based on facts.
Frances Snowflake, what a lovely name! Redeem the snowflake! It's a beautiful thing :-)
Frank Atwood, theories are based on verifiable facts but are sometimes not themselves verifiable, at least not yet. See e.g. String Theory. Also, see Zeno's, that's to say Fletcher's Paradox about how one can go astray with mathematics that seems perfectly logical
Wow - Saad's got a friend who "fully believes in the Hoggs Bison"?
That validates everything Saad has to say, then. His scientific expertise is now beyond doubt.
He has a friend who has proof of the existence of the pigalo.
Hoggs Bison? Was he related to M. Bison from Street Fighter? lol
I like the new "salty" Matt :-)
Matt was always salty. Compare his early talks to how each call starts now. He's tried to cultivate a more "positive atheism" persona on air in recent years as its a better approach for dealing with theists, but it doesn't take much for the salt to come back!
ThePowerchimp you are absolutely right but the last sentence was so hilarious 😂
On birthdays: Lewis Black said something like "If you send me a birthday card that says "Happy 50th birthday, you are not my friend. My friends know that I am 35."
This was part of a bit about how somehow "if you think it, it is true" is now a thing amongst american politics.
Well that would explain a lot...
Thanks Guys for an amazing show, this show really gave me clarity on loads of Questions i had for Religion, I was raised Anglican and being born and raised in Cape Town SA where Religion and Ancestral worship is huge it saddens me to see how many people here are so Gullible into being tricked into Religious believes that will miraculously remove all their problems...not so for me, i always knew something did not sit right with Religion in General and this show just confirm many thing for me, but there are still lots that needs to be cleared up for me...Tx again all...
I admire Matt for having the patience to slog through all these tiresome defense mechanisms and make the callers face the actual questions being asked.
Torrey: "But how do you falsify Evolution?"
Matt: "For example, you find a rabbit fossil form pre-cambrian times."
Torrey: "But that's non sequitur."
:'D
...and he believes having a funny dream therefore abrahamic god of the middle east follows perfectly.
I had the opportunity to move to Austin six years ago. I didn't do it ultimately because the stigma of being a gay man, living in the south weighed very heavily on me. I simply didn't want to be subjected to that. After growing up in southern California, I permanently lost a friend because she moved to Austin. She was a truly lovely, smart and funny young lady back in the day. After moving to Texas, she absorbed the most insidious parts of Texas culture. She became overtly racist towards African Americans, Mexicans and even those of the LGBTQ community. Though she strangely gave me a strange 'grandfather pass', despite knowing full well I was gay from way back in freshman year of high school. I blame Texan culture for the loss of my friend. She was poisoned by the gross stereotype most other Americans abhor southerners for. I like watching this show because it is proof that not everyone in Austin is the same. That has to count for something...
44:56 two dreams...
"Hog's Bison!" That was priceless! Sorry, Saad! Not being mean, that was just the best! :)
Consciousness is a complicated thing to understand, but one thing we know for sure is it’s a feature of brains. If you think it lives outside a brain, try having brain damage and see how your consciousness feels then.
Don :
“Let me say something about faith, and that is, I consider it a good way to be wrong. And the reason is, of all the different claims you could make, most of them are gonna be wrong. And so since faith can support anything at all, you’re very likely going to be led to the wrong conclusion from faith.”
This was well stated and thought provoking. Thank you don!! You always state things in a way that makes me think!
Good show Mat and Don, thankyou BOTH
thank you for your show - it makes me feel good that i'm not alone in my 50+ years of non-believing
Just so you guys know, when Saad mentions hookah and shisha, all he's talking about is flavored tobacco. The high he's talking about is just a nicotine high, not anything like the high you get from THC or LSD. It's just a strong nicotine buzz.
Love the end lol "we were so close"
Comments are back up!!! HeyZeus!! How long have I been away?!! Glad they're back up tho God Bless peeps!!
Love how Matt came in the Clutch!
Here's a laymans version of how the elements came about. All the heavy elements were created in collapsing stars. The initial stars were hydrogen. Fusion took place and helium and lighter elements were created. The stars in later stages started to produce heavier elements. Eventually these stars went nova and produced the heaviest elements. The next wave of stars started as mainly hydrogen and helium, with small amounts of heavy elements. Then the process of fusion took place:- repeat what happened in the first wave of stars.
I watched star wars, then I had a dream about Chewbacca!!! He's real guys!!
Matt and Tracey are the most clear thinking people I've ever seen. It puzzles me how they believed in God till they were adults. I stopped believing when I was 14
Thats simple humans are not naturally logical or rational...those tools have to be learned and some people dont have access to that information as quickly as others.
I was about 14 or 15 too.
everyone has their own journey based on their upbringing, it’s a interesting thing to see
Well, they didnt have the internet growing up so theres that. You may have.
They believe till well into their adulthood
The 2nd caller around the 40:00 mark says that God revealed himself to him in multiple different ways. Christians are always saying that if God were to reveal himself that would take away free will. So... Can someone PLEASE ask these Christians what it's like to live without free will the MOMENT they make these kinds of "god intervened/revealed himself" statements?
Thank you atheist experience for this show. Stumbled across the Show by accident. Glad I did.
If the Spaghetti Monster isn't real, how come all the planets are perfectly formed like meat balls?
I hope people saying 'I"m going to reformat/reconsider etc aren't meaning 'I'm going to find other ways to win my case, regardless if it's true or not.'
I watched half of this show and Matt has more patience then he has in the past but still has his strong personality!
SAAD was a bit frustrating! Yes I am like Matt it’s hard for me to get past you think it was ever okay for a 9 year old to be married to an adult! But as he goes on I get the sense he is looking for answers to believe and is on a path were he will hit a hall of not being able to make more excuses for it!
Helen Golod let’s certainly hope so. I’m not sure if Saad is a regular caller from past episodes (Listening now but haven’t got to the calls yet) his name sounds familiar, but if it is him (or whoever the theist caller was) he was tip toeing and arguing around the child marriage before...how indoctrinated does one have to be to justify this shit, and at the same time argue for stoning homosexuals.
Religion is a plague, and it’s horrifically amazing to watch people argue evil while calling it love.
Edit: just finished listening to it ...same guy but he does sound close to coming around, I credit Matt and his hookah:)
Jesus is awesome!!!!!👍👍👍👍👍👏👏👏👏👏
What are you 12???
@@j.oaklley8965 To be honest your comment is less mature than the one from VideoAudioDisco09. All those emojis are something of a give-away, the number of exclamation marks is not a good indicator and the comment itself is mindlessly pointless; at least VAD09 has humour on his side. Are you 8? ;-)
Lmao the throat clearing and coughing before the song intro 😂🤣👌
When Matt says "parade of fallacies" i heard "parade of phalluses" haha
What a visual.
41:10 I don't think God has any use for religion but he will use religion...
does that make sense to anyone?
Matt your awesome 😎 never change!
Jesus loves you and God created you !!!!!
@@j.oaklley8965 Yes I do, and you're welcome.
J. Oaklley no he didn’t my parents created by having sex! But if god created my dad then he is prick!
Simple fact when you die Heaven or hell??? Jesus is there when your ready to decide.
@@j.oaklley8965 prove it
Would love to see Jeff D back
Would love to see Noah Lugeons back on as a guest asap.
😊
I also miss Ashley Perrien and Martin Wagner, but yes, I'd love to see Jeff Dee again.
It's ok, they're not dead. They're happily sipping Shangri La on the beach with Elvis and Michael Jackson
Love you Don!
Re Torrey - To paraphrase Dave Chappelle, quoting Charlie Murphy quoting Rick James: "Religious indoctrination is a hell of a drug!".
Never heard of this show but I'm over here cracking up. Where do ya'll find these callers 😂🤣😂.
Regarding first caller, I think it's important to clarity that "every action has an equal and opposite reaction" is only a law of Newtonian physics, not of physics in general. It certainly isn't with General Relativity and Quantum phsycis
Talking to Saad is totally useless. Just because the guy is friendly doesn't mean he doesn't have intellectual blinders on and isn't just eating up a bunch of time.
We need to pass legislation to remove the tax breaks from churches. That should shut them up!
You are correct! Churches benefit from taxpayer subsidies. They get free police and fire protection. They get the roads leading to their holy places maintained by the taxpayer. They pay no sales or property tax. They have no financial accountability whilst indirectly sucking at the teat of the tax payer. Churches, at a minimum, should pay for fire and police services. Church = scam.
I had some church for christ at the door a couple of weeks ago and I owned them thanks to the info and arguments I've heard on the atheist experience so thanks for the sword of reason that I was using against them. Usually I wouldn't know what to say to cold callers but on this occasion the tables had definitely turned. Thanks guys and girls you're awesome!
I have a crush on Don Baker.
me too
Jean S Don Baker is one of 5 people I would choose to have along if stranded on an deserted island. His calm manner and wonderful laugh would help make the drudgery of survival in that situation bearable.
Actually I take that back, I wouldn’t want to punish him for being a nice person! In that scenario I should choose the 5 most obnoxious people I know to get them out of society.
A 9 year old girl married to an adult? That's just wrong on so many levels
King james married a 13 year old
At 25:33 Matt says: "There's no reason to think that there ever was or could be from nothing" Lawrence Krauss' book "A Universe from Nothing" is a prime example of that. My issue with what Matt said is this: If there was never nothing, how did the big bang happened? Even better, if that "nothing" singularity appeared from nowhere then how can something appear from nothing?
- The Big Bang didn't come from nothing. It describes an expansion event of existing matter.
- There is no evidence that 'nothing' did or could exist.
Something existed prior to the Big Bang.
I don't see why so many people have a problem understanding this.
I like it when Don is on too
THe conversation with Saad was better than usual, seems like an honest and intelligent man
I tried to give vanguard a chance but I guess this is the only place where we'll hear what theists are saying.
Abortion is in the bible. According to Numbers 5:11-31, if a woman is suspected of cheating she is to be brought to the priest and the priest is to give her holy water. If nothing happens than she didn't cheat. If she cheats, according to the bible, the holy water is supposed to cause her belly to swell and for her to have a miscarry than she cheated. Causing a miscarry is abortion by definition ad to make matters worse, the woman, like many other things, has no say in the bible.
"the conversation evolved this way" ... LOL
"I've a friend who believes in the hog's bison"
All my hogs have their own bison. Such a pain!
The Earth is flat? Hope I don't fall over the edge. LOL
Not an original observation but if you have a cat you will be pushed off the edge along with your favourite possessions.
Dam cats secretly rule the 🌎
Always a good day when Matt's on my screen :)
"The God Particle" was a misquote. One of the scientists (I forget his name) called it "the goddamned particle" because no matter how hard they looked for it they kept not finding it. Obviously they just hadn't 'looked' forcefully enough yet. ;)
Exactly! They just had to smash a little harder. Which is also what my girlfriend said and god damn, she was right.
It would be nice if more people called the show who actually were interested in knowing what is likely true and real rather than calling in to make some challenge with no interest in pursing the logical truth.
People who are interested in knowing what is true are already atheists.
Saad, just stick to the hookah man, maybe try some bhang.
And also lookout, now that you've called axp and what you half jokingly said, you might be declared a blasphemer.
I just started watching. Saad called AGAIN??? This is the third episode I think.
@@lewiscot Yes he seems to be willing to question but is still quite defensive towards his faith. I think that because he's surrounded by people who share his beliefs, he's not aware of a good life without those beliefs.
Shantanu Rastogi maybe that’s hope that eventually he will change but it’s hard when everyone around convinces you of one thing! Maybe he will find the courage one day with the knowledge he has learned
@Jacob Carlson He said he talked to his friends, they might talk to their friends or maybe their Imam. Anyways, wouldn't hurt to be careful.
As I’ve pointed out before (and frankly I’m surprised no one on the AE has ever brought this up) Christians should think themselves VERY lucky that no notable male character in the Bible is recorded as taking a child bride. Given that this was a commonplace practice in those times it’s almost inevitable that someone did; imagine the discomfort today of having to attempt to defend that position instead of (as many Christians do) queuing up to slap down poor old Mohammed.
Dunning Kruger effect is strong with Torrey
Calls start at( 22:40 )
I really love this movement and this channel. I spy a noodle monster to the right :) Man i would love to be on that show. I don't know how well i would synergize , i am a better listener and i can be very articulate so i heard but i don't normally conversate much with people , i like to think deeply and inquire , i am not the greatest small talker. Not saying this is small talk , i am an idealist so it's hard for me to stay on a certain topic for long, eh idk lol. Philosophy and Religion are amazing topics and deserve focused attention for sure. Philoshopy and Science go hand and hand , the greatest scienctist are also philoshopers.
This show saved my soul.
Now in 2022, everything got way worse.
You can tell Matt is super competitive lol
No. He's honest, which makes weak-minded people feel threatened, unduly.
@@Zachorazor1 Matt is definitely competitive. That said he's also honest, and people are threatened by some of the things he says.
You've gone from asserting, "You can tell," to asserting as fact that, Matt is competitive." It's irrelevant. The question you should be asking yourself is why you think it's relevant.
@@Zachorazor1 No, it's been demonstrated.
If you watch the show, there's plenty of examples of games of the competitive nature that he enjoys. Plus, debating is inevitably competitive. Chill.
I was watching the show and I'm actually identifying with the competitiveness we both obviously share. You're being way too analytical..but we can do that if you want. I'm pretty good at that too as you can see.
@@MrRed-cf6gk No, you're not. You just keep making claims based on assumptions. You chill. You didn't answer my question, probably because that requires insight and you don't know how to be honest with yourself.
I'm muting you now because you have no reasoning to offer, it seems.
0:30:18 Thomas: "... for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction..."
This is from Newton's third law of motion, it doesn't apply to morals which is probably what Thomas was implying. Actions simply result in reactions.
Well newtonian physics effect our brains processes and moral functions are part of brains so basicly we can't control those functions or causal processes our brains interaction with external causal world! Then our motion, thoughts, memories and morality is purely depending causalistic brains and then we can't control anything! Of course this not prove god anyway just that free will is most likely illusion!
Newtonian physics have nothing to do with brain processes.
@@richardgates7479
My bad mixed newtonian physics causal physics sorry!!!
@Almighty Bunny
That's cool, I think my point was that it's not equal and opposite. I wouldn't say we can't control absolutely anything, since I can change my mind on what to type, but my decisions depend on whatever my brain can muster up at the moment.
I'm sure growing up in Islam was great considering he is a male..
Islam is great for a lot of women too. Just look at how free they are to get jobs in Saudi Arabia and how free they are to wear or not wear a hijab or nikab in the west and talk back to men who call them whores and tell them they deserve to get raped and murdered. Who wouldn't want to submit to such a merciful, loving and wise god?
Did I mention that Muhammed fought for women's rights that no woman in the west had at the time and that Islam was on the frontier of natural philosophy, astrology and maths? That's right! Islam is beast!
What? You're wondering what happened with science and women's rights in Islam in the last 10 centuries? Eh... well... you see... a backwards ideology can only truly prove itself by its action of actually going backwards. The biblical god is evil, retarded or both, but Allah is evil and retrotarded. Allah > Yahwe, in some sense. I'm sure it's a virtue in some circles, mostly fundamentally theistic circles.
@@stylis666 "Muhammed fought for women's rights..."
By raping children, little girls specifically. Fuck off with your insane apologetics asshole.
@@aegisgfx try reading the rest of the comment
@@stylis666 Don't straw man arguments like saying men call them whore and deserve to get raped and murdured as that's just the actions of the few and their always messed up people in any culture with messed up ideas. People being free and having equal rights (both men and woman) is the best scynario for both men and woman to prevent abuse and people being taken advantage of.
I agree islam wasnt more advanced at one stage at it was going great all until that bleady so called prophet who proclaimed maths was practically evil, now all Islamic country's are looked at as backward stale places for ideas
@@ziul123 lol why, I stopped at the first lie.. Im sure its all lies.
I must be psychic. Just as Torry was asked why he doesn't get vaccinated I thought "because hes a conspiracy theorist" and instantly he said "I'm a conspiracy theorist" lol
"Let me tell you a little bit more . . ." Evading Matt's question.
best ending to show ever.
Thomas: The subjective experience part of consciousness is just the brain watching itself. Circular (feedback loop) navigation system.
For those that may not get the meaning of this: Whenever a theist attempts to convince others of a god, (or some other kind of supernatural fantasy) he likes to find some kind of mystery that we don't fully understand, and tries to smuggle in a "god of the gap" explanation. In this case, Thomas has brought up the age-old problem of the subjective experience of consciousness.
Many theistic philosophers have tried to claim that this experience can't be explained by the mechanics and processes of physical brains. They claim that there must be some kind of "ghost in the machine", separate from the physical processes. However, years of research in neuroscience, have found that our brains process data from multiple inputs to create models of the world around us, in order to navigate it. This process involves a continuous feedback loop.
This process also creates an image in our brains, like a video processor, and the continuous interplay of watching and creating can be a mundane, perfectly natural, explanation for the subjective experience of consciousness. And just like the video processor, once the power goes off, the show stops.
Thomas said consciousness is being aware of self and aware of other than self. And the hosts matt and don agreed to that definition....
@@figureeight2167 And......? My Camry is aware of itself, and the cars around it. Is it conscious?
@@Never-mind1960 Your camry is not aware of itself or aware of others. So it is not conscious that is what "and" the top scientist in the field of computer technology agree with me there is not even 1 scientist that say we have self aware AI. Look it up for yourself or i can give you the source or links. Lie i said conscious is aware of self and other than self
@@figureeight2167 It's all a matter of degree. Your brain's navigation system is just tricking you into thinking you're special to get what the selfish genes want.
@@Never-mind1960 No consciousness is not a matter of degree. you are either aware of self and other than self or you are not.. Even the hosts matt and don agree with this definition. Humans hunt and gather food, build shelter attack enemies and try to avoid danger. We do things for ourselves. Your camry is only running a program that a human directed it to do.
"AI systems can now outperform humans at playing chess and Go, recognizing faces, and driving safely. Even so, most researchers say truly conscious machines - ones that don’t just run programs but have feelings and are self-aware - are decades away. " says Justin Hart, a computer scientist at the University of Texas.
That is a quote from one of the top scientist in the field and he agrees with me, there is no robot or AI on this earth that has reached self awareness. Self awareness is not running programs that a human downloaded into you, you must be self sufficient doing things on your own behalf, for yourself.
Even the scientist that did the top AI consciousness test and created the most advanced robots so far agrees with me on the subject. here is a quote from him.
"Right now, the main thing holding AI back from being truly self-aware is the fact that they simply can't crunch as much data -...-roboticists are at a loss as to how to stitch all that information together to build a cohesive picture of the world," says Prof. Selmer Bringsjord is the chair of the Department of Cognitive Science at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute and a professor of Computer Science and Cognitive Science.
These 2 scientist are at the forefront of this groundbreaking technology and they agree with me, AI is not yet self aware. So no your car is not conscious it is not aware of itself. I can give you more links or quotes from other top researchers they all agree with me. Im sure their credentials on the subject dwarfs yours.
“Every action has an equal and opposite reaction” is Newton’s third law of MOTION specifically relating to MASS and FORCE. It doesn’t mean that every happening (occurrence) has a reaction.
Torrey - Maryland.
Please read, Richard Dawkins’s -The greatest show on earth- it might clear up some things about the natural selection of evolution.
Stevo Devo
Yeah definitely,
(I just said that one in particular, because I’ve just finished reading it.)
I effing love Don! He awesome!
1:21:30 suvi? Isn't that water bath cooking?
28:34 - So my computer is conscious? Because it can recognize other computers on a network as separate "minds". That's pretty cool.
You misquoted, conscious has knowledge of self as well of other than self. Your computer is not aware of me, or other people that i may bring into contact with it. My grandma could be talking to your computer and touching it at the same time and your computer would not have knowledge to distinguish her from a voice recording. so no, what you mentioned is not that cool.
@@figureeight2167 So my phone knows my face, my voice, AND my fingerprint. It's got face unlock, fingerprint unlock, and voice unlock. Does that make it conscious? It can also identify my friends in photos. It's a thing that FaceBook does. So my phone (computer) must be conscious.
I'm uncomfortable with the idea that my computer knows what I am doing or going to do on a daily basis! Yes, it actually does both!
@@TomorrowisYesterday you are saying your phone knows you, the definition is knows itself and other than self. Like i said if my grandma was touching and talking to your phone at the same time. your phone would not be able to to tell the difference between her and a voice recording, or her and her sister whom looks like her.
@@TomorrowisYesterday Not only are computers not aware of the people who created them, they aren't even aware of themselves. Computers are programs made by humans to solve problems, some hold more computational power than others. Computers can solve many problems, the catch is computers don't know they can solve these problems. they are not conscious
Sanctified Spaghetti, do I love these people, what they do for others and what they have done for each other. Sending some solidarity from Wellington, NZ
Flat-Earthers "flat out deny it"
...pun intended? XD
The earth is round God made it that way DUH!!!!
@@j.oaklley8965 lol
Prove to me Jesus is nt real,my friend was in a motorcycle accident she got bad head injury because her helmet came off and she was in a comma for a week and the doctors where going to takeher off life support snd she survied after they said she was going to die
The doctors don't. decide when you die, Jesus does.
@@j.oaklley8965 thats great, all thats left to do is prove it
Saad is on so much he might as well be a co-host by now
14 minutes in, Thomas is getting to his "second step".
55:34 - 56:10
If 2+2 does not equal 6, 8, 10, 12...
It doesn't that mean 2+2 *must* equal an odd number
I’m an agnostic atheist as well, but I would like to hear your opinions on whether or not businesses have the right to discriminate. I would consider myself a moderate Libertarian, so I am okay with businesses discriminating to some extent, but I also would not buy from a business that discriminates.
Please don't insult the borgs. Theyre my fav :D lol
Plus, insults are a form of resistance. And reSIStance is...
"For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction" is a law of Newtonian mechanics. It is not a general law of physics.
44:36 _"aren't dreams the worst possible semi conscious thing to use pointing to what reality is about"_ ? Knock-out.
ps: On my travels I once mistakenly said _what the FUCK_ (out loud), in a restaurant in Islamabad, Pakistan, when the bill turned out 4 times what it said on the menu (I mean, it was still cheap and I was about to pay, when it slipped out too). It was in a time that _anything_ with the word _fuck_ in it, was perceived as: *_"go fuck your mother,"_* and thus a very volatile thing to say. It took me a lot of: _"Oh, no no no, not you, but me, cause I'm stupid"_ to not get beat up.
Then I saw one of the angry people was having a (very none-Islamic) beer, so I said: _"let me buy you guys a drink, okay?"_ and I ended up playing darts with them till daybreak. (only me and that other guy drank beer, to be honest ;-)
O well: just a memory that popped up, as Matt was using the word to a Pakistani, I thought to share.
God damn I love you guys!
I'm still waiting for my question as to what is the selling point of atheism? What's the good news that permeates joy? Please list them.
great show guys.
This guy says he doesn't believe in religion and proceeds to quote the bible wtf. He says God loves us and yet he created light and darkness good and evil like he's a manipulative sadist? Maybe this person should listen to his own argument before he opens his mouth. Maybe I missed something but it seems like he believes in the judeo Christian God
a1612 he quotes the Bible to prove how wrong it is.
Please, oh please get atheist scientists and put together "The Evolution Experience".
I'd drop everything to watch that!
Aron Ra is good at explaining evolution.
Evolution is a non-sequitur from theism and atheism. It's true that the fact of evolution disproves specifically the Abrahamic creation story (and probably a few others), but this is purely incidental.
I love it when Don laughs.
Torrey became defensive quick, another painful call
How can anyone be a true Christian? I mean, which book do you follow?
At 36 mins in I might have mentioned the action of the Weak Force which appears to be non-deterministic hence 'not' a result of cause and effect. Just being helpful- I hope.
Hey Saad, I once did salvia in college and I still to this day (10yrs later) have vivid memories of when I feel off the universe. Yup, I was so high I thought I feel off the universe, and it wasn't scary, it was just another plane of existence ;) and that is why personal experiences are not evidence, and appealing to higher planes makes no sense
I am of the impression that a lot of people don't understand what 'believe' really means. They don't think of their beliefs as absolute convictions. Instead they use the word to mean 'I think x is possible' or 'I think x is likely', and then when questioned about it as if they're /convinced/ x is true, they feel like they're being told x is impossible.
He's a Knight Rider & Airwolf fan! Cool :D