The Secrets Of The Pakenham And Cranbourne Lines!
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- Two Iconic Lines In Melbourne, The Pakenham And Cranbourne Lines, Filled With Secrets And History!
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G'day TM. I'm a 77 y.o. codger from Cairns who used to be a Melbourne railwayman (Shunter). I thoroughly enjoy your various videos about the suburban network. Keep them coming!
Thank you Richard, awesome to hear you like the videos, hope I can make videos you enjoy in the future!
Really good
I worked in the Melbourne yard in 1983, six months as part of guards training. I remember Ewan Charles, who was our instructor, ex Welsh Guards, lost his legs in an accident in South Dynon. "Taffy" James, the two old alcoholics who were permanent in the arrivals yard so as to keep them out of trouble, and a host of other characters. Happy days.
You can almost guarantee if you revisit the Cranbourne line in 2 years time it would’ve had a lot of upgrades. The major works underway will include Greens Rd crossing removal, Evans Rd crossing removal (completed in 2020), a new Merinda Park station, track duplication, new car parks currently being built at Cranbourne and a new shared bike/pedestrian pathway built beside the railway line between Cranbourne and Lynbrook. They really need to extend the line to Clyde in the near future too.
Great job with your video! 😉👍
haha, great call here, the line is looking fantastic :)
Same here
Great to see young people interested in the history of the rail network. Well done.
Hurstbridge is good because it gets real country and down to singletrack right near the end. On an electric train looking at cows and sheep is pretty good. Sunbury is similar in that there's a point where you just feel like you are going through a huge paddock. Big space between stations.
The Altona spur is quite unique as it's singletrack for big parts, and goes through swamp/wetlands. Alamein has some of the shortest distances between stations.
Belgrave/Lilydale in the hills toward the end is majestic. Werribee's got some wild spaces and some dodgy stations. Williamstown is just quaint. A spur for the well-to-do's. Sandringham goes through all this posh bayside stuff, highlight Brighton Beach and Sandy. You've got a lot to choose from, even without the Northern lines.
For sure! I have a lot of videos to do, but hopefully all the lines you have mentioned are done this year, look out for a Sandringham video first though! Hope to hear from you in the future!
This was a great video and interesting seeing as in the 80's & 90's I worked at Dandenong, Pakenham, Berwick, Sandown Park, and finally, at Narre Warren. Fyi, the old Narre Stn building is now situated at Myuna Farm in Dandenong. I LOVED that building!
Also, there used to be a siding at Officer, used for/by a local business. The 2nd subway at Sandown Park was for easy access to the race track and there was a ticket box at the up end of the platform that would open on Race days.
I remember when the line at Narre crossed Narre road and you'd have to wait at the boom gates to get to Fountain Gate from Cranbourne. They built the bridge over the road in the early 2000's.
I've always travelled on this line through school and now uni. I knew there was a lot of history behind the Cranbourne/Pakenham line but I didn't expect this level of insight. I'll be keeping an eye out for the old Springvale Cemetery junction next time I'm there haha. Keep up the great unique content mate! Subscribed!
It never ceases to amaze me how much was achieved by the people who lived from the late 1800s to the 1960s or so. This country only had a population of less than 5 million through that era and somhow they managed to lay the vast majority of all of the foundations on which we still rely today i.e telephone and electricity networks, gas, water and sewage pipes, roads, railways and bridges through mountains and bushlands, Clearing vast areas of rugged bushland for agriculture. So much of this was achieved only with hand tools and animal power as well.
In the late 1800's the population of Melbourne was less than 500,000! That's a lot of infrastructure for half a million people to build. Pretty impressive.
My dad is in his 80's and says there used to be a goods line out to the Cranbourne sand pits near where the botanic gardens are.
Wow, thank you for the information, I will look into it!
yep and there were quite a few sidings off the Dandenong line at various places.
It’s great to see a young bloke like you interested in all things train . Very informative and well presented and all the research it takes . Keep up the good work and thank you for posting these videos .
Nice one! Appreciate all the work that went into this. 😎
I learn something new everytime I watch one of your post; good work young fella, keep it up.
Thank you Timothy, glad you're liking the videos!
I’m supposed to be doing my work but shush I need to watch the train man
My guy Alex!
Alex The Noobish Gamer me too
Lachlan Tansey lol
The Train Man nmh
I lived between Carnegie and Murrumbeena stations in the 1980’s, as did my mother and grandparents in the 1940’s - and while I’m probably supposed to celebrate the removal of the time-wasting ‘dangerous’ level crossings at both of these intersections - and the building of monolithic railway stations with no respect for the local architectural vernacular - I mourn the loss of the beautiful historic Murrumbeena station, its rail bridge crossing, and the reminder it held of its beginnings as a rural, outer suburban town, with buildings which spoke of its place in time.
Time moves on though, progress must happen - or else we stagnate - but if progress keeps demanding the obliteration of such historical records of our history, then what we’ll be left with will have no meaningful record of our present, other than that we are the destroyers of our past…
On a lighter note… once again Max, a brilliant - albeit it, always too short - glimpse in to that history which we may have otherwise lost forever.
“Annnnd”… two thumbs up!
100% agree Brian, and thank you for sharing a summary of your history in the area.
The Level Crossing Removals are overall fantastic for the city, but I can't watch all this history be destroyed. I do enjoy seeing Mentone and Moreland trying to integrate the old station into the new one, but this needs to be done more, with more diversification in station designs 👍
I used to live behind Sandown station. You can see my old fence in the video :)
About 1.5 km closer to Dandenong from Lynbrook Station, there used to be another station called Lyndhurst with a few Victorian railways-owned houses around it. It was accessed via Bayliss Rd. In 1981, a few months before the station closed, along with another co-worker I installed some extra temporary phone lines to one of the houses for a local politician and he stood us to a nice home-cooked meal and some discussion about local history. That area haas been swallowed up by an industrial estate.
I stumbled across this post last week. I have since watched nearly all your videos. I have loved them all.
To give you an idea of my age, up to my late teens I still used 'red rattlers', Harris trains, the St.Kilda line & Princes Bridge station. I remember using the City Loop the month it opened, in particular the Museum station. I can still remember the strong smell of new building materials and the sense of modernity it gave with those bright colours. In 1981 I did two weeks work experience at Commonwealth Engineering just before the first Comeng trains went into service. It was very exciting to be there at that time, I can vividly remember walking through the full size mock up they had of a motor carriage with the driver panel carved out of wood and the walls made of moulded plaster. I also remember a Harris carriage in conversion with sealed widows, air-con units on the roof and newly painted in silver (obviously a trail of the abandoned conversion) The carriage had asbestos warning placards all over it. I remember one morning with some humour workers gathering around to discuss a newspaper article in the Age titled with something like 'New Melbourne trains already running late' Please continue your great work. I have learned a lot from you and I am very pleased to see a person from your generation showing interest in our local history. Regards Peter
Thanks you very much Peter, your kind words are amazing. Awesome to hear you witnessed some historic landmarks in Melbourne's history and am very jealous of your experiences with Princes Bridge, Port Melbourne etc. Thanks again!
You've just reminded me of the excitement of riding through the City-Loop as a young kid, not long after it opened.
@@smjbk Thanks Simon. I still get a little excited when I go though the loop. Regards Peter
I played in the school band on opening day of Cranbourne in '95!
That's awesome!
Big Hello from Hughesdale!!!!!
I grew up in Melbourne, but took my young family to Canada over 50 years ago. Your videos are great (make me a bit homesick), you obviously do a lot of research. However, please slow down!! The pictures of the past are very interesting and deserve more than a couple of seconds, I'd like to actually look at them without having to go back and pause the video. Keep up the good work.
Thanks Harry, glad you are enjoying the videos!
I appreciate the feedback about the images, I will ensure to leave them on the screen for longer next time. Thanks again!
A partial solution in the meantime is to reduce the playback speed in the triple dot tools and perhaps turn the captions on to have a description of what is shown.
Great knowledge of the rail network and history.
I like the Pakenham line, because I once lost my glasses on there and got them back, so it's cool AF in my book.
thanks for the memories buddy I used to work at Oakleigh started there in 1959 remember all you talked about youve really done your homework cheers mate
this is so crazy to see after the upgrades, old Hallam station is so nostalgic
Be great to see you get on your bike and cover the Outer Circle line. All the way from Hughesdale to Parkville. Great work, keep it up.🇦🇺
On the South Morang Line as of 2018, the Mernda Rail Extension from South Morang to Mernda was completed and it included 3 new stations at Middle Gorge, Hawkstowe and Mernda. Middle Gorge Station was built on ground level and Hawkstowe and Mernda Stations were built above ground with skyrail. And that train line is now called the Mernda Line.
And as of 2019, the level crossing at High Street, Reservoir was removed by building a 1 km skyrail with a new elevated Reservoir Station.
Then as of 2022, the 4 level crossings at Murray Road, Cramer Street, Bell Street and Oakover Road in Preston were removed by building a 2 km skyrail with 2 new elevated stations at Bell and Preston.
Now under construction, is the level crossing removal at Keon Parade, Keon Park which will be removed by 2025 by building a 750 m skyrail with a new elevated Keon Park Station.
Travelled on the Cranbourne line for 9 years.
Electrification 25 years ago, was a huge event for Cranbourne. The cops were wrapped because the youth could get up to mischief elsewhere.
haha, I am sure it would have been a very big deal, I can't imagine it not being electrified though, can't believe it only being done 25 years ago
You are an amazing wealth of information our rail network. Well done.
Ripper stuff mate. Another genuinely informative and good vid.
Thanks Ben, great to hear from you again!
i love your videos please keep making them
I am starting to get more consistent!
I used to get on at yarraman from 2011-2015, and next to the ticket machine there was a small TV screen with a birdman type aboriginal thing on continual loop! Now I'm on werribee line. Been don't trains for 10 years and love your videos!
Your presentation has really improved. Both voice over and to camera are excellent. You are smiling at the camera and looking comfortable and enjoying yourself. But there is still room for improvement although a lot less than I'd first feared.
All you really need now is a bit of help with phrasing, pace and inflection. So I'd be very happy to help you with those because that isn't going to take very much.
Thanks John, glad you liked the video and grateful for feedback that you have. I think that over time, I will/ have become more comfortable in front of a camera and when it comes to voice overs, I have tried to become more relaxed and upbeat. Hopefully in the future, I can pace myself more. I will take on your feedback and hope to hear from you soon!
@@thetrainman548 haha no problem. I'm offering to teach you how to voice professionally if you are interested. It would be nice to see the voice work match the effort you put in to the vision. Your videos are really well thought out and informative. It's obvious you put a lot of effort into thinking through how you want to piece together all the information you want to include in each of them.
It's the amount of effort you are putting into them which is why I decided I'd offer to teach you how to voice them to the same standard. I wouldn't be offering if you were just some kid slapping together home movie train videos. Yours are a much higher standard than that.
If you're interested look me up on fb. I'm in Silverdale NZ and it's the same pic as this one.
Nice video! A small tidbit: At 4:16, in your purple circle, you've included a factory and a field above the factory to the left of the circle. That is not apart of the Maintenance Facility! At the very back of that field, once you pass through a gate, there's old railway lines. I've been told by my mother trains still run on them, but I've never seen it. Really cool to see local areas I've visited highlighted here!
actually would be interested on an entire video about oakleigh station.. as its one of my frequents
Love you work brother
CONGRADULATIONS, Clyde extension planning occouring :)
Bloody awesome!!
Thanks mate 😁😁
Hey man, bingeing all your videos at the moment. Absolutely love all of them. Do you have any plans to return to making new videos, by any chance? That would be a dream come true!.
These are great, well done! I laughed when you stopped filming from the platform beyond Dandenong and just stuck your camera out through the doors so you weren't stuck waiting ages for the next train... Excited to see your general motors station video when it comes out :)
The train to Cranbourne used to only run 3 times a day, so it would have been a very long day making this video back then.
Very informative bro. Good work 👌
Legend Sam, thanks mate 👍
Legend!! If only we had the outer circle line!!
I'm finding your railway docos fascinating, Train Man. Keep them coming, please. I was brought up in Melbourne and love the Melbourne trains. Not always happy with the slick modern station architecture, which sacrifices all the charm of the originals. So it's great to see the old black and white photos of the early stations, with their quaint waiting rooms and so on.
Agreed, I believe that some modernisation is good for the train system, but you always must keep as much heritage as possible, that's what I love about the system. Glad you find the videos fascinating, that's my goal, for people to enjoy and learn from my videos. Thank you!
I remember catching the train to Lang Lang and then a bus to wonthaggi.
Congrats on the 500 subscribers, feeling a little jealous LOL, I'll soon get there. I might take inspiration from this series and do one as well. XP Keep an eye on that soon.
Haha you'll get there soon I'm sure of it.
But don't take all my ideas haha
4:55 same with ferntree Gully
Love your work ... it's brilliant. I'll subscribe but I just saw Rosanna Station on the Hurstbridge line and was blown!! Because I was looking into why it was so amazing that I found your channel.
1859?? What?
Oh, 1959 .. phew.
By the time they get started on the Cranbourne line extension new estates will stretch way past there. Might as well extend it all the way to KooWeeRup, or even better loop it from there up to Pakenham. Costly but with the amount of growth out that way an investment for the future.
Awesome video!!
Thanks, Glad you enjoyed!
You know your knowledge and well presented. Good job.
Thank you Adam! Hopefully you like more of my videos in the future!
4.51 Springvale Railway Station Get On And Off There Every Day On The Way To Work Still Remember The Old Station!🙂🏚️🛤️🚇
at 1:30 you can see the old ticket booth, the station was burned in mid-70s and was rebuilt, then knocked down again for skyrail
Wow, I wasn't aware of the old ticket booth, now that is awesome. I will hopefully look into ticketing in Melbourne and it's history in my next video.
You a definetly "the train man" awesome content definetly learned something from this. Also awesome train pictures the before & afters. 👌 keep up the good work 🔥
Thanks mate, the pictures are really awesome aren't they :)
Another very professional video Max. Loved the way you have found historic station views so we can see past and present! BTW is 'Skyrail' an official term used by the Government or just a colloquialism?
It was the official term used when govt was promoting the level crossing removal
@@Matt-gj5ej Thanks!
You're the Harry Styles of train videos.
You bring a lovely fresh perspective.
Thank you Stephen, I appreciate the kind words!
Koo Wee Rup is about 20 mins out of Cranbourne to Leongatha. About 8 years ago the train track was taken out in Koo Wee Rup for a walk track through the heart of town. This stretches about 1.5km of track. If the plans are to open up the line to Cranbourne in the future then this is a major waist of money. But because they did I don't see this to happen any time soon. Koo Wee Rup is a fast growing town and property doesn't stay on the market long. For this reason I believe the a train is needed.
The strange thing is the line is technically not closed just booked out of use
The corridor between Caulfield and Dandenong has exceeded full capacity, there will be need for an alternative thoroughfare some time in the future
You left out that the Cranbourne line also went to Wonthaggi. the history of that line is also interesting due to the coal mines at Wonthaggi.
The Wonthaggi Line was a Branch Line of the South Gippsland Line.
Another great video. I used Carnegie station for years, can't believe it's changed so much. Looking forward to your next video.
Thanks very much talbot8, hope you liked the next video!
I love all the little bits of info. Great research.
Appreciate the support, I will be using this format for all of Melbourne's lines in the future!
Great video I live in pakenham
Glad to hear you liked it! Hope you learned something new!
Another great video, very informative without getting boring. Well done keep them coming
Thanks Steve, I was worried that a longer video would get boring, glad to hear you enjoyed it, Thanks!
In 1997 I was living on the corner of Lorne St and Grange Rd and would often catch a train at either Carnegie (to go to Oakleigh which was my favorite place to shop), or Caufield (to go into the CBD), or Glenhuntly (to go to Hampton where I worked at Bi-Lo) stations because all 3 are relatively the same distance to walk to. ... And I was born in Dandenong :P
Cool to hear your story! Great to hear that you could walk to 3 seperate stations, where I live, I can't do that!
I literally just came home from checking out the unused line past cranbourne station, there is an industry lead track coming off the mainline there, which is pretty cool.
Great video :P
Thanks TristXD! Interesting to hear about the lead track, glad you liked the video!
1drv.ms/u/s!AhneJp3Cr2j7mARifL1lHGHWAULf a photo if you wanna see it
Very interesting, thank you for the photo!
Another great and informative video. Keep following your passion.
Thanks Brian, appreciate the support!
Well young man, your video presentation is really good. l see you doing great things in the future, GOOD LUCK !!
Thank you very much! I am glad you think that :)
Ahh cemetery station can show you were the tracks went before the upgrade ironically they used the sidings every so often I assume to go back to westall but after a train derailed on the sidings they stopped using it pretty sure was under the connex tenure lol always issues
I havent watched in a while, ive got over my train obsession stage lol i see your still making entertaining vidoes and i wish you luck with you future yt career
if your reading this have a good day, i may get into trains and stuff again soon but for now im just checking up, be safe during this time and ill keep updated with your videos
Sad to hear man, you were on of my first big fans! Hope to hear from you in future!
Hi train man 👨 haveing a grate day
thanks mate :))
Hi TM, Great Vid however you are incorrect regarding naming of Merinda Park Station. Merinda Park is not named after the Park at. Merinda Park Estate was the Housing Estate Development FromEarly to 80's thru to 90's to the East of the Station between the Railway line and South Gippsland Highway. Housing Estate south of Thompson Road (Between Highway and Rail line) was not completed till the Early 90's as a Young kid living in Thompson Road(between Highway and Rail Line), You used to see the V-line Train running up or down the hill from Thompson's Road
For got to mention do a sepdlerate vid of stony poinyt and cranbourne
Yes! I remember when the line ran all the way through because I went on a school excursion to French Island in the early 1990's. I was sad to see it cut off from Cranbourne. You have to get a bus from Dandy out there now.
Hey Train Man, on the Cranbourne line between Dandenong and Lynbrook, there was a station named Lyndhurst which opened in 1888 and shut in 1981.
I should have mentioned it, thanks for mentioning it!
Do the traraldon V-line please. theres some intersting history. Ive done some research allready on moe where there is a small museum and used to be an old track to Walhalla. The oak tree is still there.
At trafalgar they have an old steam train on display nexxt to the station and a holden museaum,
The stop before that ia Yarragon which has an anit-aircraft gun on display. Not sure the story behind that.
Im going to do some exploring myself but watching one of your docos is alot easier than making my own.
Just moved to moe thats, why, Shadiversity lives around here too with his brother Jaxxa
The Traralgon Line was originally on the Gippsland line which stretched from Melbourne all the way to Orbost in East Gippsland. At some point, passenger services terminated at Bairnsdale and the remainder of the line to Orbost continued to be used for Goods Trains. For a period of time passenger services terminated at Traralgon with Road Coaches servicing towns further east. However, more recently, the train line east of Traralgon has re-opened to passenger services and the line terminates at Bairnsdale again.
There have been many Branch lines open and closed on the Gippsland Line over the last 130 odd years. (All have since been closed)
Warragul - Branch line to Noojee via Neerim South.
Moe - Branch line to Thorpdale via Coalville and Narracan
Moe - Branch line to Yallourn. (Queen Elizabeth II travelled by train on this line to Yallourn during her Coronation Tour in 1954)
Moe - Branch line (Narrow Gauge) to Walhalla via Erica.
Morwell - Branch line to Mirboo North via Boolarra
Traralgon - Branch line loop via Heyfield and Maffra reconnecting to main Gippsland Line at Stratford.
Train Man, @1:30 you have managed to capture an Hitachi with its center doorway!!!!
Very interesting! I hadn't noticed that before, good pickup
All the centre doors well and truly removed long before Trainman even born. Last in the late seventies I think.
So thanks to the original photographer. Often is Weston Langford's appreciated legacy.
13:05 to be fair not much signals or track has been removed up to Leongatha anywhere on the line
One time I was going to catch the train to Cranborne but decided not to because of rail replacement buses. That day all the trains shut down due to a computer error
Wow, I didn't know that. Hope you liked the video!
Great videos but why is some of the footage flipped horizontally?
Why does the person crossing the tracks at 7.03 NOT HAVE A HEAD??!!
Carnegie use to be my home station. Not the same place anymore.
Love all your information and historic images where you have them.
Very distracting and confusing when the image is in mirror.
Hahaha, yes the mirroring image is annoying, I have since figured out how to fix it, sorry about that, glad you enjoyed the video regardless :)
Have you done any videos about the Faulkner line & the Faulkner Cemetery Station … plus the cemetery funeral train.
FAWKNER! Named after John Pascoe Fawkner.
Awesome video dude.
Thanks Ben, happy to hear!
Finally I get to see the Skyrail in action.
Glad you could see it in this video, it is pretty cool!
I once used to be a train enthusiast up until the double decker train in Melbourne was no more back in 2002.
A morbid fact I know about Narre Warren is that a boy commited... Not Alive (Yes, I'm censoring it for the sake of children) in I think it was 2016? It was when I was in year 5, so it would be 7 years ago. I remember this fact because it happened on the day I was going up there, so all trains up to Pakenham had to terminate at Dandenong, and I'm sad that with the upgrades the tree that acted as a memorial for the kid was cut down
Oh and can you do the Werabie, Altona and Williamstown lines please love the vid ceep up the good work and stay healthy
Thanks man, those videos will be coming soon!
Woah there was a springvale cemetery line ö.Ö
Love it
Not as much as your profile pic 🙌🙌, thanks Will!
Eltham's got a really nice garden type thing too
Haha, I will have to have a look, hope you liked video!
@@thetrainman548 By gardens do you mean the plants in the boxes on the platform?
Hey Sancha, it was kind of a joke, but I guess I mean a cool garden feature at the station. If you ever go to Berwick or see a photo of it, there is a big green garden feature at the front end of the station, which is quite pretty. I do however see from photos that Eltham has some awesome edible garden boxes, awesome idea!
@@thetrainman548 Ahh yeah yeah I meant the garden boxes because I thought by gardens you were referring to the boxes hehe
Used to go all the way to Woodside actually
Indeed. That was a bit of an oversight. But understandable given the age of the fellow doing these great videos.
The South Gippsland Line actually stretched to its terminus at Port Albert. There was a branch line called the Woodside Line which came off the main South Gippsland Line at Alberton and went on to Woodside via Yarram. Yarram eventually became the terminus for the SG Line when the section between Alberton and Port Albert was closed.
Yay another video!
Hope you like it!
Btw you should do the Upfield.....
Will do!
There will be a new East Pakenham station next year.
They should have left the south Gippsland line alone unless they are electrified and duplicate the line because now they have to spend a Fortune to fix it up
Lets hope everything is resolved over time
They started the duplication a few years back by opening the tracks on the other side of the platform to public trains.
White City Station, between Tottenham and Sunshine
When at Cranbourne, you mentioned the line "goes all the way to Leongatha". Not any more it doesn't. It is broken in many places, and the track has now been removed from Nyora onwards. Strictly speaking, you should refer to the South Gippsland line as going to Yarram, not Leongatha.
Understandable given the age of the fellow doing these great videos.
The South Gippsland Line actually stretched to its terminus at Port Albert. There was a branch line called the Woodside Line which came off the main South Gippsland Line at Alberton and went on to Woodside via Yarram. Yarram eventually became the terminus for the SG Line when the section between Alberton and Port Albert was closed.
@@karmicselling4252 "Yarram eventually became the terminus for the SG Line when the section between Alberton and Port Albert was closed." The line was never Standard Gauge, it has always been Broad Gauge.
officer station took me to 2 premierships i rated it number 1
Not bad, can't say any stations have done that for me :(
Can you do South Morang? Oh I mean Mernda
For sure
Just on Dandenong they can terminate from any platform in any direction except you can't get to Pakenham from platform 1. Used to but not anymore.
Thank you for the fact Peter, I didn't know that, hope you enjoyed!
and barisdale also when up to orbost and i have a origenal v line rail map
Really!? That's sound awesome, would love to see it one day.
Frankston to Mornington train we tried to save 1980s
That's so cool! Hopefully one day, we might see the line from Baxter to Mornington restored 🤞🤞🤞
I'm pretty sure a lot of that track is still there, they just don't use it any more.
Hi budy whe n is the ge eneral motors station coming
A poorly edited but interesting video about GM station by some urban explorers that enter the station building and stuff is here if you want a taste while you wait: th-cam.com/video/fI73kIkjO4I/w-d-xo.html
Can you do secrets of the Mernda line next
Next 3 videos, Mernda will be there :) already filmed and ready to go
Oakliegh is my local station
Hope you liked it!
G'day. Another great vid. 👍 About 30 secs in you show two ajoined yellow and blue cars. I remember catching these but what were they called ? Thanks.
Hey mate, great to hear from you again, glad you liked the video! I'm not sure which photo you're referring to, however regardless, I'm not that great with locomotive names, hopefully someone sees your comment and answers because I am curious as well. Thank You!
walker rail cars