Upgrading my Ultimate Windows XP Build

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  • @TylerJaneBronson
    @TylerJaneBronson 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Sad to see the CRT replaced for this machine :( that 750ti dvi-i port can still output analog signal up to 2048x1536. Just my opinion but switching to lcd seems like a downgrade for the purpose of the build.

    • @HollowRick
      @HollowRick 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Agreed

    • @ComputerTechnic217
      @ComputerTechnic217 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      absolutely

    • @AlejandroRodolfoMendez
      @AlejandroRodolfoMendez 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Crt have started to degrade with years. I have seen people using crt monitors plastic part to use with lcd kits so have the best of both worlds

    • @atetraxx
      @atetraxx 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@AlejandroRodolfoMendez The plastic is not the best part of a crt

    • @AlejandroRodolfoMendez
      @AlejandroRodolfoMendez 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@atetraxx some are recycled others are used as a mold

  • @smackers1514
    @smackers1514 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I just finished putting an xp machine together with an q9400 and ati 4890, loving playing some of the games I grew up with.

  • @semloh1870
    @semloh1870 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    I really like your videos. You don't shout like lots of TH-camrs and you explain very calmly and give excellent information on your extensive collection. Have you tried running Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis on this system? I's really tough to get working properly on anything but period correct hardware with the original game. {lease keep making more videos.

    • @GamingRetro
      @GamingRetro  4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thanks, I appreciate that! I have not... I'll have to give that one a try :)

  • @markm0000
    @markm0000 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    That’s definitely a thing. You’ll enjoy playing games on this beast well into your retirement as long as you keep it serviced properly and use a Active UPS. Replace capacitors in every component and in PSU, oil fans, fresh thermal paste and pads, new drive belts, reseat everything, and lastly backup and reinstall a fresh copy of Windows. If you do that every 5 years your computer will last for decades.

    • @GamingRetro
      @GamingRetro  4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      That's the plan! No matter what happens with computing tech in the future it's nice to know I can play all these old games just fine on this system.

    • @trashtronics1700
      @trashtronics1700 ปีที่แล้ว

      The caps if made properly have a 30 year self life as long as it's not part of the capacitor plague

  • @AyoItsAntony
    @AyoItsAntony 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Your calm voice while talking is really soothing and I love learning about older computer hardware, great video!!

  • @majorpayne0195
    @majorpayne0195 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Im also on the process of building a retro PC both Win98 and WinXP.
    I will be using my old Pentium 3 1Ghz and Gigabyte GA-6VX7-4X lying around for my Win98 machine. I bought a Sapphire Radeon 9600 Pro AGP as my GPU on ebay. Too bad those 3dfx cards and Geforce 4 TI cards are so expensive.
    For the Windows XP, I will be using my favorite AM3 processor that I kept, the AMD Phenom II X3 720 BE. I'm still thinking what AM2+/AM3 motherboard will I use. Thanks to your video, now I will consider the 750TI because I also like GPU with no requirement for additional 6pin connector.

  • @rodrigofilho1996
    @rodrigofilho1996 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    My optimal retro PC would be:
    Windows XP 32 Bits
    Socket 478 MB:
    3.4Ghz Pentium 4 HT (Prescott)
    2GB DDR400
    ATI X1950 XTX (PCI-E) or NVIDIA GeForce 7950 GT (AGP)
    A good CRT (at least 1280x960 at 120hz progressive)
    Reason for not better hardware:
    Any game released after 2007 will run just fine in windows 10 so i will just run them on the main PC.

    • @ksp1278
      @ksp1278 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I am trying a different route. I have a Ryzen 5950X CPU with RTX 3080 that I use for gaming, video editing and software development under win11. I have just bought a 750ti to put in it as second GPU. I plan to try using a bootable USB stick to launch a hypervisor and will create a virtual machine with WinXP. I will pass through 1 CPU core and the 750ti. Definitely won't be a CPU bottleneck. Haha. I have a USB creative X-FI which I will also pass through for sound (supports EAX).

  • @starbuck1776
    @starbuck1776 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I run a 750ti in my XP machine as well! Great card for this application! Also using my 2005 vintage Logitech MX518 gaming mouse and G15 keyboard lol!

    • @EvilTurkeySlices
      @EvilTurkeySlices 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I occasionally run one in my more powerful XP machine(with an e8600) it currently has an 8800 GTS though.

  • @Snickerrick
    @Snickerrick 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Nice upgrades, that monitor looks great!

    • @GamingRetro
      @GamingRetro  4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thanks! I feel a bit lucky that I found it in such good shape.

    • @Snickerrick
      @Snickerrick 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@GamingRetro I think so, all the 4:3 LCD's I come across are pretty beat up, sadly I think a large quantity of them ended up in landfills as well.

  • @ProductionsNate
    @ProductionsNate 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Sad to see that you ditched the crt

  • @brianhoskins7749
    @brianhoskins7749 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Got me itching now to build a dream XP machine. Just finished my dream Windows 7 machine. So now can not make up mind .Ultimate Window Vista Machine or XP. Excellent video mate nice build

  • @stranger.granger
    @stranger.granger 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I recently picked up two 1600x1200 20" Sony monitors from 2003. They're very heavy and feel very high end. Side by side, they make for a great dual screen XP setup. =)

  • @sashan4722
    @sashan4722 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very nice choice on the mouse, I used my g100s until the switches broke even though I had a naga and g303. There's just something about it that feels right.

  • @12keys52
    @12keys52 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    You ever tried matias switches? btw I love ur editing and you have a wonderful setup, very straight to the point, simple and doesnt get old

    • @GamingRetro
      @GamingRetro  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes, quite like Alps switches, I like them! Thanks for the encouragement, I appreciate it!

  • @AlejandroRodolfoMendez
    @AlejandroRodolfoMendez 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If you want something to replace a crt, people is modding the cases to put lcd kits looking like a crt

  • @middle_pickup
    @middle_pickup 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    There are a lot of ways to keep the 4:3 res on modern displays. If you use a ATI/AMD card you can set it manually in the drivers for XP. That works on all outputs on their cards. On Nvidia, you can find monitors with VGA.

  • @johnathanpearson3203
    @johnathanpearson3203 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I run a 945 as well with a gtx 960 no issues and great frame rate. I use a iiyama hm903dt 😎

    • @GamingRetro
      @GamingRetro  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That's another good pairing, though the 945 is almost certainly going to be the bottleneck.

    • @johnathanpearson3203
      @johnathanpearson3203 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@GamingRetro yeah it is the bottleneck. I love it. My GPU temps are very modest and It just works.
      Could you do a video comparing a CRT at 720p Vs modern LCD or LED at 1080p with a 980 on the CRT and a 380 on the LCD? Does the picture suffer? Will the frame rates be the same? Do you need a modern GPU for 1000s?

  • @cayborg
    @cayborg 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is Nobody going to talk about how he named his Doom save 'Balls?' 7:19

  • @LovelyAlanna
    @LovelyAlanna 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    you can use a gtx 960, that's the most powerful gpu available for xp, and if you want to modify a little the nvidia drivers installation you can install a gtx 970 too

    • @Henry5623
      @Henry5623 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      If you're willing to modify the INI files you can get all 9xx Nvidia cards to work properly on XP. I've even seen success getting some Titan series cards working on it as well. Admittedly, I have a 4 gig GTX 960 paired with a 4790K and have frame rates exceeding 1300 FPS in some of my XP era games. So while I've contemplated getting a 980 TI for my system, what's the point? Even at 1920 x 1200 I'm still exceeding a THOUSAND FPS in some games. Hence why a 750 TI will do most people fine for that era of gaming lol

  • @TheLukemcdaniel
    @TheLukemcdaniel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Even in plastic wrapped factory sealed packaging, 750 is definitely new old stock.

    • @GamingRetro
      @GamingRetro  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Works for me! I'm getting old so a 6-7 year old card is practically new :)

  • @mrmerlin6287
    @mrmerlin6287 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Your PC is my inspiration.

  • @remasteredretropcgames3312
    @remasteredretropcgames3312 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Someone said 2nd gen maxwell was the end of the line in terms of support. So ultimate im guessing would be running a maxwell titan.

    • @EvilTurkeySlices
      @EvilTurkeySlices 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You’d need modded drivers as the 960 is the fastest supported officially.

  • @Heidegaff
    @Heidegaff 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your ultimate Windows XP PC uses the same video card I use in my gaming Windows 10 PC.

  • @outtheredude
    @outtheredude 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    2GB EVGA GTX 750 Ti SC, very nice choice for this build (being a tad biased). ;-)
    Using one inside my Q9650 XP/8.1 build, only with the optional extra backplate as well (EVGA 100-BP-3751-B9). Also, according to this GPU bottleneck calculator ( pc-builds.com/calculator/ ), the 750 Ti SC (with around a 15% factory OC over that of a regular 750 Ti) apparently works great together with my Q9650, having just a 2.04% bottleneck percentage score. (Your Phenom II X4 945 still has a very good 3.95% percentage score, seeing as anything below 5% scores well in general. ;-) ).
    (I had also recently changed from using a SteelSeries Sensai Ten gaming mouse back to my good old early to mid '00s Logitech Click! Optical Mouse (M-BT85) (which is actually still available as a new/old stock item on eBay UK for just around 6 quid with P&P) as the Sensai didn't like my Belkin SOHO VGA, PS/2 & USB 4-way KVM at all).

  • @wowitsshit9734
    @wowitsshit9734 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I too am about to upgrade my ultimate winXP machine, eBaying my phenom ii x4 system currently since I realized I could get a socket 1155 system for almost the same price as ebaying my old setup! I have a xi-fi f4tality PCI sound card and I/O panel for it also, and the MSI P67A-G45 B3 system that I picked up has 2 PCI slots on the bottom which is perfect! a big gap between the sound card and PCIe slot for gcard which means I can also still fit in my turbo extractor fan there. I am still using my old HIS radeon HD 7950 3GB, but yes it would be really neat to replace it with a comparable passive cooled GPU, which is the most modern one that still supports winXP 32-bit? xD Decided to sell my IDE DVD drive and floppy drive also, and get just a sata DVD drive to replace, I'll have winXP 32-bit and win10 dual boot on this machine. I tried win10 with floppy drive before and it doesn't like it, it keeps initializing the floppy drive and spazzing out, so yeah don't need that anymore! Besides I still have my win98/winXP voodoo 3000 machine with IDE DVD drive and 3.5" floppy drive in good working order too!

    • @EvilTurkeySlices
      @EvilTurkeySlices 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      A GTX 960 is the newest GPU that officially supports it. Although with some minor modifications to the driver a 980 ti can work.

    • @EvilTurkeySlices
      @EvilTurkeySlices 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      A 750 ti would be good as well as there are a few passive variants(although it’s a good bit slower than the 7950)

    • @wowitsshit9734
      @wowitsshit9734 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@EvilTurkeySlices it's all good, i have it working just great with a gtx 970 in winXP now.

    • @wowitsshit9734
      @wowitsshit9734 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@EvilTurkeySlices yeah, I use this machine for win10 also, I have an old core 2 duo at home that 750ti would be good in

  • @massimodutti9514
    @massimodutti9514 ปีที่แล้ว

    I upgraded my WinXp machine from Saphire HD5770 to ASUS Strix GTX960. The goal is run all games until 2008 at 1600x1200 with max setting and power efficient. It's work great. For win 98/early XP I have another build with Pentium 4 and FX5900 + VOODOO 2 SLI .

  • @mOddEdLiKeHeLL
    @mOddEdLiKeHeLL 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Hmmm, I may have to purchase a 750ti

    • @SolidSonicTH
      @SolidSonicTH 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm trying to remember if I have one.
      I've got a 650 Ti. I've also got a 1050 Ti but I have that earmarked for another project.

  • @stevendeblat5284
    @stevendeblat5284 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So a card like the 750 TI actually has drivers for Windows XP!?!? Have you tried games that need certain things like Glide or specific Direct X versions or anything like that? How do you tackle running older games on XP when most require the CPU to be slowed down?
    Videos like this tempt me to skip building a Windows 98 ultimate machine and just go straight for XP. Although If I went this route, I'd atleast absolutely need a Windows95/DOS PC just to be able to play older DOS games. I'd imagine a system like this would be too advanced for older DOS games. I wish compatibility wasn't such a pain in the ass, but I'd still rather go down this road than go straight to emulation. I still have alot of thinking to do.
    Love your videos.

    • @GamingRetro
      @GamingRetro  4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes it does! For some of the older games (generally mid-90s and earlier) they either run a bit fast or I just switch to Dosbox and run them from there. Dosbox games also look great on this monitor though!

    • @GamingRetro
      @GamingRetro  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I haven't had any Direct X issues... and most games can be patched to run just fine on XP

  • @HollowRick
    @HollowRick 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The g100s is my all time favourite mouse the shape is jus so good its the same as the older logitech MX300 egg mouse unfortunately the successor the g102 logitech changed the sides and made them bulge out instead of keep them flat so it makes it harder to keep a good grip on the mouse so until they go back to flat sides or another company clones this shape with a better sensor im sticking with the G100s

  • @remasteredretropcgames3312
    @remasteredretropcgames3312 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just FYI my channel is definitely a project at this time, but the lower spec hardware fluidly compatible games all have very polished GTX 750 Ti support because I have one.

    • @remasteredretropcgames3312
      @remasteredretropcgames3312 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I will not be supporting XP specifically because I simply have too much work to do on one OS that is going to have to scale into the future whereas XP hardware support wise isnt interesting in terms of whats going on right now. Might even go with windows 11 since word is, you can run older hardware with it using sort of VIP faking backstage passes.

    • @remasteredretropcgames3312
      @remasteredretropcgames3312 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Do my mods work in XP? My guess. Probably.
      If I had more community input, id have more data.

  • @skorpionrazor
    @skorpionrazor 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    750 ti on windows xp looks amazing. Nice build too

    • @GamingRetro
      @GamingRetro  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks man, I think it turned out pretty well :)

  • @rBennich
    @rBennich ปีที่แล้ว

    I also have an ultimate XP pc, and i put a GTX980Ti in it. Works like acharm, and it's really killing it, totally overspeced. Just use the GTX Titan driver. Tip for your next upgrade.

  • @evilqtip7098
    @evilqtip7098 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I got a Mouse from Dollar Rama glows different colors 10x better works perfectly..

  • @SolSeal
    @SolSeal 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If you are using hdmi you are stuck at limited color range from the Nvidia drivers.

  • @RudolfSikorsky
    @RudolfSikorsky 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As much as I know, 32bit Win XP doesn't use more than 2 cores. So Your Phenom is a bit wasted here. I had Athlon X2 5200+ in my WinXP machine for a long time and it performed OK. But as You, I also tend to run a bit newer stuff on my XP machine and back then, single core speed really mattered. So I upgraded to Core 2 Duo E8400, overclocked it to 3,9 GHz and oh boy, machine flies. Also upgraded my Radeon HD 7770 to GTX 970 (obvious overkill, I know but I got it for just 20 euros), so any OpenGL issues are gone. Btw, 1600x1200 back then was like 4k nowadays. Looking for one too but they are hard to come for reasonable price and reasonable (min 75) refresh rate.
    All in all, nice build! (and Civ IV is definitely best of them.)

  • @tghwinner1995
    @tghwinner1995 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I own GTX 750 TI with Core 2 Duo E8400@4.3GHz. Incredible gaming expreience with 1280x1024 resolution.

    • @EvilTurkeySlices
      @EvilTurkeySlices 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      4.3ghz is an insane overclock on a core 2 duo.

    • @BaguetesGarage
      @BaguetesGarage 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@EvilTurkeySlices I got 4.86GHz from a E8600, they overclock quite good with a bump on the VCore voltage.

    • @EvilTurkeySlices
      @EvilTurkeySlices 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BaguetesGarage can you run cinebench on it(just for comparison sake)

    • @BaguetesGarage
      @BaguetesGarage 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@EvilTurkeySlices don't have that setup anymore, it was for the ultimate Windows 98 Gaming PC, you can check my thread on Vogons forum. On that board I now have a Xeon X5460 @ 4.16GHz, 16GB DDR3, GTX 1650 Super and 1TB SATA SSD.

  • @diegotor5643
    @diegotor5643 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice upgrade, I have a GTX 980ti for my personal windows xp ultimate build!!!

  • @kunka592
    @kunka592 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have an XP/Win7 machine with an Intel Q6600 and an ATI HD 5870. I tried it with a GeForce GTX 670, but it seemed to have compatibility issues with older games, as well as poor drivers for XP - even video playback had weird issues. The HD 5870 seemed to work with everything much better, even if somewhat slower. For example, the GTX 670 had very corrupt graphics in Rainbow Six (the original), texture issues in Moto Racer, where blacks would actually be transparent instead of black, and Superbike 2001 didn't run at all, whereas the HD 5870 runs all of these without issue. The GTX 670 runs perfectly with newer games so it's not a hardware issue. I'm wondering if this GTX 750Ti is similar for older games.

  • @SiliconPrairie
    @SiliconPrairie 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I had no idea XP went all the way up to the 700 series... :o

    • @GamingRetro
      @GamingRetro  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I do believe it's among the last to have xp support, though I think some of the 900 series cards do too.

    • @outtheredude
      @outtheredude 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@GamingRetro Indeed. The GM-206 based 950 & 960s certainly comes with XP drivers. ;-)

    • @sirfoggy7682
      @sirfoggy7682 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It has nothing to do with 7xxx or 9xxx or whatever. GTX960 (368.81 drivers) comes with native XP support. With a bit of tweaking (quite simple, actually) even the GXT980Ti (no nVidia official support) works extremely well with the XP as well ;)

    • @Henry5623
      @Henry5623 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@sirfoggy7682 If you're willing to modify the INI files you can get some of Nvidia's Titan series GPU's working on XP as well. Though on my own personal XP gaming machine, I have a 4 gig GTX 960 paired with a 4790K. Even at 1920 x 1200 I've seen frame rates on some of my XP era games exceeding 1300 FPS lol...

    • @sirfoggy7682
      @sirfoggy7682 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Henry5623 That's (editing nv4_disp.inf) how I've got my GTX 980Ti (6GB) to work with the XP. My retro PC is built around Asus Rampage IV Formula motherboard with i7-4930K and 4x 4GB 1866 MHz DDR3. It runs Windows XP Professional x64 Edition and Windows 7 Ultimate x64 from separate SSDs in dual-bay Icy Dock. And it runs really, really well :)

  • @AlejandroRodolfoMendez
    @AlejandroRodolfoMendez 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Depends on what games you target, this build is nice but it's more like for W10 considering that unless you have disk sites like gog and stream no longer run.
    But for my case I recycle a Athlon XP with a fx 5200 and run better than some modern PCs for certain games and emulators.

  • @nathan_sweet
    @nathan_sweet ปีที่แล้ว

    Why not run the later XP games on your modern PC? Only the early XP games have issues for me running on Windows 10. Anything after 2002 (DX9) or so runs flawlessly on Windows 10.

  • @evilqtip7098
    @evilqtip7098 หลายเดือนก่อน

    P.S Love these video XP was Legendary back then

  • @antoniomedeiros5457
    @antoniomedeiros5457 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great vídeo. Can this build run in windows98 also? like dual boot

    • @KiraSlith
      @KiraSlith 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      No such luck. The 750ti (and 960) are some of the last GPUs supporting Windows XP with NO Windows 98 support, though 32bit XP runs Windows 98 games just fine assuming they use CPU or OpenGL graphics.
      Technically speaking it "can" run "Windows 98 with USB", a specific variant of 98, but you'll get no support for GPUs after a certain age (GeForce FX 5500 is the limit for compatible cards), and good luck finding chipset drivers.

    • @BaguetesGarage
      @BaguetesGarage 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      For the ultimate Windows 98 PC you need a Core 2 Duo E8600 with at least 4.0GHz overclock, NVIDIA GeForce 7900GTX 512MB GDDR3, 2GB DDR3 1333MHz RAM, 120GB SSD and the tweaks, patches and modified drivers for everything to work.

  • @TheLevitatingChin
    @TheLevitatingChin 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    LCD is a downgrade. Contrast and motion look shit.

  • @nasalimbu3078
    @nasalimbu3078 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Twin forzer ii
    Gaming iii

  • @Aerospace_Telecomunication
    @Aerospace_Telecomunication 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Im not english

  • @bestopinion9257
    @bestopinion9257 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    It is not really retro, excepting the CRT and the case.

    • @blakedmc1989RaveHD
      @blakedmc1989RaveHD 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      dude u don't have to have period correct parts for a Windows XP Retro Gaming PC

    • @bestopinion9257
      @bestopinion9257 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@blakedmc1989RaveHD Wrong. You can play Good old games on latest PC (modified games to fit in) but that does not make it a retro PC.
      If you want to play unchanged old games you need their hardware. Believe me, I have many rigs for each epoch, just because of that - incompatibilities. Certain games require certain OSes and those require certain PC parts that have proper drivers.

    • @bestopinion9257
      @bestopinion9257 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@blakedmc1989RaveHD Anyway, retro means something, even if you don't plan to play games on it.

    • @blakedmc1989RaveHD
      @blakedmc1989RaveHD 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bestopinion9257 not all old games runs good on any windows newer than XP, an obscure game Polaris SnoCross is a perfect example of why Retro Gaming PCs are needed

    • @blakedmc1989RaveHD
      @blakedmc1989RaveHD 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bestopinion9257 i've tried all tha patches n stuff on dat 1 Polaris Snocross game, still no dice

  • @UserUser-zc6fx
    @UserUser-zc6fx 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    LCD = downgrade

  • @alphamix9756
    @alphamix9756 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    First