Entertaining video and I agree with most of what you say with one exception: There is no way Bar Crusher boats are welded better than Surtees. Bar crushers grind their welds and go for aesthetics, surtees are welded by experienced professionals whose welds are leaps and bounds ahead of most other boat brands in my experience. I own a glass boat but I’d go a surtees over a bar crusher without a doubt
I don't know all the BCs I've seen have much nicer and neater welds than Surtees, they are almost perfect. See my other videos..... Surtees looked rough in comparison. But strength wise, I'm sure they are both strong. But agree, I'd take the Surtees money aside any day
@@BaitBallin Big thumb up for speaking your mind. I've been researching aluminum boats and wanted to know more from an unbias owners perspective to compare the differences, and found your video. Much appreciated and much love!
Thanks for the video, cuts right to the bone! Only thing here in the UK we only seem to get the Extreme range - very pricey as you say, especially the bigger boats, but I’m thinking just keep saving up and then pray they hold their value better than the alternatives which takes the edge off the price eventually (mortgage…? 😂). I’m looking for one last epic boat that will see me through the next 25 years so it’s worth getting the best I can possibly find
Yeah I am in the same position at the moment..... Last boat for many many years. Sick of changing. Nothing working with extremes apart from the price! 646 with 22 degree deadrise is looking the goods
enjoy your vids. I've always been a fibreglass deep vee man. Currently in NZ running a Buccaneer Billfisher 635 (21 degree dead rise) Alloy boats are super practical, but i could never own one for a reason you never mentioned, that is - CORROSION! Alloy boats do rust!!! look at some old ones, they don't age well. Glass is more difficult to customise, but at at least a polish makes them look new again, and then the ride! Interesting about your comment regarding new manufactures in NZ, Its true, there are so many now and fibreglass is losing popularity here sadly - dunno why. btw, the better NZ alloy boats are Makaira, White Pointer, Innovision & Purekraft in my opinion. Oh yes, and Surtees have a good ride, but my god they are wet boats. i think Makaira is the only alloy manufucturer that worked out how to make a carolina flair on the leading end of the bow to dry them up a bit. Not an issue for glass boats ;)
Yep absolutely, good points. Yep some of these plates are bloody wet, so the hard top with wipers is quite literally the only option to not get smacked in the face all day with water. If alloy boats aren't looked after well they can definitely go bad very quickly
Love watching your videos it’s helping me narrow down what I want for myself and the family. Complete different question, any tips for finding people to go out fishing with or other boating buddies we aren’t from Australia ( Israel ) don’t have a lot of adult friends other than work colleagues that are all much older gentlemen. How do I find some buddies to show me the ropes so to speak. We are a big diving family and ocean lovers
Hey man it's a tough one to find good reliable people. The best thing you can do is join your local fishing club, get involved and get to know people in those circles. Outside of that, over the internet etc just won't work
You’re not “having a laugh” at all, you’re speaking your mind and there’s nothing wrong with that Mark. I bet the owners of those boats agree with your summations whether they like it or not.
Ah man now I don’t know what to do had my heart set on a 2021 6200 yellowfin as my first boat but now I’m more confused then I was before. But by all means good video. If you can give and advice on the YF 6200 it’s a 2021 paired with a 150 Yamaha 140hrs with platinum pack $80k second hand.
It's all relative, depends what you know, have owned etc. They are not a smooth fast offshore boat. But rather a capable, but slow offshore boat. I don't mind 6-7m plate boats, but my current old dog absolutely monsters past all of them with ease. I'd definitely take a BC 670c over that boat though, but that's just me.
Your opinion seems to have changed quite considerably from your earlier uploads. I went to the Sydney boat show just recently and after looking at all the different plate boats I walked away thinking that the Bar Crusher looked pretty ordinary & cheap compared to the Surtees & Yellowfin. The YF looks to have way more fishing room & I also prefer the cabin with the lockable roller door. Overall I would choose the YF 7000 HT Southerner any day over the Bar Crusher, it looks better, has more room & in my opinion offers better value for $$. I also believe it will have the same resale as the Bar Crusher if not better. In my opinion Bar Crushers are now out of fashion.
Nah man Yellowfin definitely a cheaper built boat all round. Their resale isn't the same as BC. But having said that, Surtees definitely had more welding, rides better and quieter. Beyond doubt. Nothing wrong with a 7000 southerner though. now that I've gone glass again, it's very hard to think seriously about plate or recommend them.
Ben subscribed to the channel mate. I'm.a new Aussie and planning a move to WA after my kidney transplant. Keen to have a chat nearer the time after I've watched all the videos 😅. Cheers Adam
Thanks for the great no nonsense content. Very informative. Looking at a new Haines Hunter 5.65 offshore for river, bay with family and good weather offshore with mates. Do you rate these Haines Hunter boats and are they truly 5.65metres?! If you store a boat at a pontoon do you think self draining decks are useful in that scenario or you just rely on the bilge pump and regular battery charging?
From what I understand the 565, 585, 595 are great boats that punch above their weight. regarding storage I have never done anything like that but I imagine you would always want an auto bilge pump regardless
Really enjoyed this Ben. Subscribed. Im a new Aussie from last year and planning to move Yanchep WA as soon as ive had my kidney transplant. Definitely looking for a boat Thanks again. Adam
@@BaitBallin Ben watched the video on boat sizes last night. Very helpful. Do you know roughly what it costs a year to dry berth a 7-8 meter craft? Or does it vary widely depending on where you live in Aus ? Cheers 👍
stabi 2050 owner here and it pains me to watch but you're absolutely correct 😂 doesn't cut through a head on sea but a following sea is the dream, pricing is out of control I've only owned mine for a year but now the 1850 soft top is the same price 🤔🤔 I'm no glass expert but love the haines signatures reckon a 640f would be the go, good luck 👍
Thanks man, yeah many people watch all the fake paid reviews and channels with stabi preference and even owners are biased until they experience difference. Yep 640f is a nice rig for sure and on my list! Biggest problem at the moment is what can I actually get, without waiting for EVER
Hey Mate, good luck in your hunt for your new boat, be looking forward to seeing what you get. Good all round comments on the various plate boats out there. I own a 670 ht and couldn't agree more about the stand/sit position with the high dash, kinda annoying but I can live with it, correct also on noise but that being said value for money and ride they're kinda hard to beat imho. All the best.
I totally understand how it feels to sell your beloved boat , I just sold my trident 650 last year , about to cry when the new owner took it . But just ordered a new yellowfin southerner 7000, will receive in Oct . Good luck with the bar crusher and happy hunting for the new fibreglass boat . Haines hunter and edencraft may be the only two brands I would look . The new formula ….. looks ok , but need time for market to test it . Good luck
Nice work BB good luck with your future purchase.. All I can say is (with the exception of the day when you land that big fish) there are 2 good days about owning a boat, the day you buy and the day you sell it 😂🤣😂
@@BaitBallin Something will come up that will suit you needs. The market for buyers is looking a little bit better than it did 18 months ago.. the recent price hike of fuel is putting the brakes on a lot of owners taking their boats out and a number of those have other priorities in life and are deciding to sell. Guess while the second hand market is still some what up there is influencing some owners to off load now sooner rather than later 👍
Its important to remember not all boating is offshore. If you want time with your family around some of the lakes and estuaries, getting into shallow water berths, rivers sand bars etc, you want to have a BBQ and drinks in the cockpit etc a 19* deadrise is a good thing. But yeah I guess your reviews are pointed at quick out and in offshore runs.
Not sure what the northbank 650ht is like price wise but seems a good solid well built glass boat built for eating up short wind chop Might be worth a look for the more basic fishing boat rather than paying top $$ for all the bells a whistles that just get in the way
Will miss your adventures, loved every one of them , ive just boaght a stabi 2100 and , rekon I'd really be thinking noosa cat or kevla cat or something for you , will look fwd to all your next videos tho. In the meantime , my engine goes on in 2 weeks your welcome to fish with me anytime , but I'm in rye and that could be too far away from you
One of nzs best brands you probably never heard of is AMF...top shelf ..if you can get yourself a used one of those...beats all the brands you mentioned..plus been around for years. Well engineered. I'm not biased either. I did work for them building them though. I have also seen many others and are a boat connoisseur of sorts..stabi do ride quite well. AMF are the most solid..and will hold together long after all the other brands ..plus 6mm hull or thicker. Your average glass boat may be a tad heavier ..just beware they require a bit more TLC ..like garage or covers to look after them. Haines hunter are overall best ..plus another buccaneer. All kiwi boats. The Haines came in first prize at many boat shows. ...namely the SF 600 AND SF 535. There's also SF700. All great. For your back ..a cat would give softest ride...but with twin o/b fuel cost may rise. Let me know if you want any nz kiwi boatbuilder advice .
I know alot of these builders as I'm in the industry..and a few of the new plate boat startups are personally mates. Most of them are big loud names but build very few ..and are custom made boats only..not Mass production like surtees and stabicraft, Maclay, Extreme etc.
You should buy a 680 Haines me and my dad had one and we cried when we sold it and won’t get a better riding boat in that size you won’t regret buying one
Hey Mark, Great overview and agree with your comments. I bought a 670HT and due to the ride of the plate boats (the wife had back surgery), I sold it in under a year and ended up going with a Cruiscraft EX720HT. Definitely not bagging the BC which was an awesome rig, but chalk and cheese when compared to the CC as far as ride and handling etc. Do yourself a favour and check them out, as the comfort factor is brilliant and I am very confident that you would enjoy the ride, despite your ailments. Love your channel mate 👌🏻
Please correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think I've ever heard of a good review to date or a proud owner banging on about how good their Southern Formula is. (Although I'd like to see one) Think their only claim to fame is to ripp-off the name formula. We all know that by utilising the name formula it means an excuse to change potential customers big bucks💰 Cant help but think, must certainly be giving owners and potential buyers the wrong impression about their performance by adopting the legendary formula name 🤔 I like HH boats, they produce some great hulls, I owned a 680 patriot for years and loved it, it was a pretty good performer, but HH definitely went down the wrong path by adopting that name.
So would you say I should just pull the trigger on a Caribbean 2300 or something similar if I want a comfortable offshore capable, fishing, cruising and family boat. I don’t want to waste time and money on these plate boats if at the end they will just not tick all those boxes.
For comfort in plate you need to go big. 7m plus, but they aren't all equal. 2300 is the pinnacle of game boats in that size range. The ultra deep vee boats make crap game fishing rigs and never stop rocking and rolling. 2300 with twin 150s is the go, or single 300.
You need to weigh up your options, do you want a soft fast boat that's a pig at rest or a slower more stable platform... as you said boat prices have sored recently and trying to find that perfect boat that has it all won't see much change back from 200k.
Totally. Almost all brands now! Especially in the glass segment also. Have a look at what Haines signature have done to the bowsprit area to include in length. The 602f is now a 640f.
Horses for courses . Deep v with a ballast tank suck for beach launching and will try to become a submarine in real heavy weather they also require more horsepower for the same speed . When comparing brands Measure the actual affective size not how long it is overall . Some brands include from the very tip of the fairlead to the tip of the handrail at the rear in length some use the actual hull length not the overhangs . I had a 6m McLay it was shit in chop but when it really got bad I could comfortable plane at 16 knots in anything I encountered . Deep v boats would be extremely compromised in such conditions ever forced into taking the waves at a very obtuse angle making the journey time much longer or taking green water over the bow. Not a fan of hard tops some brands are selling hardtops that are way to small to support the comprises that comes with the windage of a large wheel house on too small too narrow or too deep v hulls . Hard tops lean into the wind resulting in bashing the incoming seas. Trim taps can compensate for this bit rob performance. Hard tops on small hulls are too compromised .
Yep agree man. Many of these hard tops are crap and don't work well in real world conditions at all. Boats need to be decent size and design to accommodate it well
I recently purchased a Senator 650 Hard Top the ride has exceeded all my expectations, plenty of deck area and a quiet ride Coming back from Rottnest in 25Knots no problems
I don't think so. But I honestly don't have enough experience with them to give good answer. DNA also another one. They all look well built and may have even evolved past stabi in some ways
Yes but that's because my requirements have changed. I was doing alot of towing, now my boat stays at coast etc so can leave a heavier boat there. While I was towing alot, the tinny worked ok
@@BaitBallin it's like comparing Chuck steak and Rib eye.... Coming home yesterday in an oncoming 15 knot breeze .... I caught and overtook a brand new quintrex and left him for dead in a late 80's Crusie Craft.... Displacement / weight... you cannot beat it.. No offence... I watch some of your videos and cringe at how hard that Bar Crushed rides.
This is why I’ve enjoyed your content cause it’s 100 per cent honest and more often than not hits the nail on the head. Bar crushers are noisy but it’s all sound and not in the ride. Surtees are behind the times when it comes to ergonomics, it’s taken them years for them just to change their dash layout. Their folding roof is due for a change to! Blindfold someone on those 2 boats and you wouldn’t tell the difference in ride.
you forgot to mention that barcrushers are wet boats (bulk spray in the boat )and stabicrafts pound like fu*k. Don't get me wrong, in good conditions there all awesome but as my mates and I say it's the "spine-a-bifater" factor that matters. On a really shit run home even my mates Kevlar cat rattles you sometimes. I went for a run on the weekend in a "wave rider hydrofoil " in disgusting conditions on the sunshine coast. Mind blowing 🤯 ride. I'm buying one. Check'm out on TH-cam.
Yes they are wet, but guess what so are the new Haines hunters (no flare barely), but yes I've mentioned it elsewhere. Well update so far is: Caribbean are 2024 wait. So off the list.
@@toms881 never,ever broach's.The one that I sea trialed with pat the manufacturer had retractable foils and seemed to ride softer, the faster we went. It was truly atrocious conditions and a cat and big hainsy turned back while we skimmed out on all sorts of angles.
Bad luck about your health mate and i think your pretty spot on with what you have said about those boats but its still going to about the conditions at sea on how bad you knocked around out there and weather reports are not the best at times you have to get there to see what its like.
Too old, you’d be forever fixing something. You’ll be wasting more time fixing all the issues than actually enjoying boating and fishing. Better off with a new 725 or 675 Offshore, if you have the money.
Entertaining video and I agree with most of what you say with one exception: There is no way Bar Crusher boats are welded better than Surtees. Bar crushers grind their welds and go for aesthetics, surtees are welded by experienced professionals whose welds are leaps and bounds ahead of most other boat brands in my experience. I own a glass boat but I’d go a surtees over a bar crusher without a doubt
I don't know all the BCs I've seen have much nicer and neater welds than Surtees, they are almost perfect. See my other videos..... Surtees looked rough in comparison. But strength wise, I'm sure they are both strong. But agree, I'd take the Surtees money aside any day
Good info. Much luck with your new persuit. Looking forward to your thoughts and comparisons on the classic fibers.
Thanks man, yep will have it on the water this Saturday to start assessing it in detail / to compare etc.
@@BaitBallin Big thumb up for speaking your mind. I've been researching aluminum boats and wanted to know more from an unbias owners perspective to compare the differences, and found your video. Much appreciated and much love!
Thanks for the video, cuts right to the bone! Only thing here in the UK we only seem to get the Extreme range - very pricey as you say, especially the bigger boats, but I’m thinking just keep saving up and then pray they hold their value better than the alternatives which takes the edge off the price eventually (mortgage…? 😂). I’m looking for one last epic boat that will see me through the next 25 years so it’s worth getting the best I can possibly find
Yeah I am in the same position at the moment..... Last boat for many many years. Sick of changing. Nothing working with extremes apart from the price! 646 with 22 degree deadrise is looking the goods
enjoy your vids. I've always been a fibreglass deep vee man. Currently in NZ running a Buccaneer Billfisher 635 (21 degree dead rise)
Alloy boats are super practical, but i could never own one for a reason you never mentioned, that is - CORROSION! Alloy boats do rust!!! look at some old ones, they don't age well. Glass is more difficult to customise, but at at least a polish makes them look new again, and then the ride! Interesting about your comment regarding new manufactures in NZ, Its true, there are so many now and fibreglass is losing popularity here sadly - dunno why. btw, the better NZ alloy boats are Makaira, White Pointer, Innovision & Purekraft in my opinion. Oh yes, and Surtees have a good ride, but my god they are wet boats. i think Makaira is the only alloy manufucturer that worked out how to make a carolina flair on the leading end of the bow to dry them up a bit. Not an issue for glass boats ;)
Yep absolutely, good points. Yep some of these plates are bloody wet, so the hard top with wipers is quite literally the only option to not get smacked in the face all day with water. If alloy boats aren't looked after well they can definitely go bad very quickly
Love watching your videos it’s helping me narrow down what I want for myself and the family.
Complete different question, any tips for finding people to go out fishing with or other boating buddies we aren’t from Australia ( Israel ) don’t have a lot of adult friends other than work colleagues that are all much older gentlemen. How do I find some buddies to show me the ropes so to speak. We are a big diving family and ocean lovers
Hey man it's a tough one to find good reliable people. The best thing you can do is join your local fishing club, get involved and get to know people in those circles. Outside of that, over the internet etc just won't work
You’re not “having a laugh” at all, you’re speaking your mind and there’s nothing wrong with that Mark. I bet the owners of those boats agree with your summations whether they like it or not.
Yeah I just though I'd better summarise my learnings on the topic. Thanks mate
Ah man now I don’t know what to do had my heart set on a 2021 6200 yellowfin as my first boat but now I’m more confused then I was before. But by all means good video. If you can give and advice on the YF 6200 it’s a 2021 paired with a 150 Yamaha 140hrs with platinum pack $80k second hand.
It's all relative, depends what you know, have owned etc. They are not a smooth fast offshore boat. But rather a capable, but slow offshore boat. I don't mind 6-7m plate boats, but my current old dog absolutely monsters past all of them with ease. I'd definitely take a BC 670c over that boat though, but that's just me.
Unfortunately my budget is only $80k so yeah and it’s gonna be my first ever boat.
Yeah it's a good first boat. Can do alot in it, and for 80k they are good value.
Your opinion seems to have changed quite considerably from your earlier uploads. I went to the Sydney boat show just recently and after looking at all the different plate boats I walked away thinking that the Bar Crusher looked pretty ordinary & cheap compared to the Surtees & Yellowfin. The YF looks to have way more fishing room & I also prefer the cabin with the lockable roller door. Overall I would choose the YF 7000 HT Southerner any day over the Bar Crusher, it looks better, has more room & in my opinion offers better value for $$. I also believe it will have the same resale as the Bar Crusher if not better. In my opinion Bar Crushers are now out of fashion.
Nah man Yellowfin definitely a cheaper built boat all round. Their resale isn't the same as BC. But having said that, Surtees definitely had more welding, rides better and quieter. Beyond doubt. Nothing wrong with a 7000 southerner though. now that I've gone glass again, it's very hard to think seriously about plate or recommend them.
Ben subscribed to the channel mate. I'm.a new Aussie and planning a move to WA after my kidney transplant. Keen to have a chat nearer the time after I've watched all the videos 😅. Cheers Adam
Thanks for the great no nonsense content. Very informative. Looking at a new Haines Hunter 5.65 offshore for river, bay with family and good weather offshore with mates. Do you rate these Haines Hunter boats and are they truly 5.65metres?! If you store a boat at a pontoon do you think self draining decks are useful in that scenario or you just rely on the bilge pump and regular battery charging?
From what I understand the 565, 585, 595 are great boats that punch above their weight. regarding storage I have never done anything like that but I imagine you would always want an auto bilge pump regardless
Really enjoyed this Ben. Subscribed. Im a new Aussie from last year and planning to move Yanchep WA as soon as ive had my kidney transplant. Definitely looking for a boat Thanks again. Adam
Yep, definitely. Get better then get a boat!
@@BaitBallin Ben watched the video on boat sizes last night. Very helpful. Do you know roughly what it costs a year to dry berth a 7-8 meter craft? Or does it vary widely depending on where you live in Aus ? Cheers 👍
stabi 2050 owner here and it pains me to watch but you're absolutely correct 😂 doesn't cut through a head on sea but a following sea is the dream, pricing is out of control I've only owned mine for a year but now the 1850 soft top is the same price 🤔🤔
I'm no glass expert but love the haines signatures reckon a 640f would be the go, good luck 👍
Thanks man, yeah many people watch all the fake paid reviews and channels with stabi preference and even owners are biased until they experience difference. Yep 640f is a nice rig for sure and on my list! Biggest problem at the moment is what can I actually get, without waiting for EVER
Hey Mate, good luck in your hunt for your new boat, be looking forward to seeing what you get. Good all round comments on the various plate boats out there. I own a 670 ht and couldn't agree more about the stand/sit position with the high dash, kinda annoying but I can live with it, correct also on noise but that being said value for money and ride they're kinda hard to beat imho.
All the best.
Yeah totally agree. All things considered they are still the best value of out of the good ones. Not perfect, but what boat is!
Something like a Caribbean 26? Or a twin hull pilot house? Enjoyed your videos and looking fwd to whatever you get and review.
Ive got a lead on a boat, will let you know how it goes shortly!
Why couldn't i find this video 3 months ago when i was deciding on a builder.
Hope you made a good choice, what did you go with?
@@BaitBallin new custom builder in Perth. Gave me the best quote and service out of everyone I looked at so thought I would give the new bloke a shot.
I totally understand how it feels to sell your beloved boat , I just sold my trident 650 last year , about to cry when the new owner took it . But just ordered a new yellowfin southerner 7000, will receive in Oct . Good luck with the bar crusher and happy hunting for the new fibreglass boat . Haines hunter and edencraft may be the only two brands I would look . The new formula ….. looks ok , but need time for market to test it . Good luck
Thanks man, you will be happy with the YF. They are solid boats / performers and one of the last plate value for money buys out there
i have a stabicraft 1550, the boat is slow and could not cut through water...
Yeah the pontoon hull shape has it's advantages and speed through water isn't one of them...
Alloy hulls are that noisy when it's still, i can't hear myself think. Especially stabi or profile, the pontoons work like an amplifier 😅
Yeah man I know. Drive me absolutely nuts also. This is such a nice change regarding that factor
Good advice for all , look forward to hearing your reviews on fibreglass boats. yes both handling and cost will be very interesting.
What about Formosa’s?
Good on the wallet, good in bays etc but hard on the body and slow offshore
Nice work BB good luck with your future purchase..
All I can say is (with the exception of the day when you land that big fish) there are 2 good days about owning a boat, the day you buy and the day you sell it 😂🤣😂
Hahahha yeah! Although right now I'm feeling very weird not owning a boat.
@@BaitBallin Something will come up that will suit you needs.
The market for buyers is looking a little bit better than it did 18 months ago.. the recent price hike of fuel is putting the brakes on a lot of owners taking their boats out and a number of those have other priorities in life and are deciding to sell.
Guess while the second hand market is still some what up there is influencing some owners to off load now sooner rather than later 👍
Yes totally agree. Many are getting pressured out of boating....
Its important to remember not all boating is offshore. If you want time with your family around some of the lakes and estuaries, getting into shallow water berths, rivers sand bars etc, you want to have a BBQ and drinks in the cockpit etc a 19* deadrise is a good thing. But yeah I guess your reviews are pointed at quick out and in offshore runs.
Yeah I agree and moving forward going to change things up for sure. More or a mix. Etc
Not sure what the northbank 650ht is like price wise but seems a good solid well built glass boat built for eating up short wind chop
Might be worth a look for the more basic fishing boat rather than paying top $$ for all the bells a whistles that just get in the way
Well now they aren't basic priced. Borderline rip off and aren't available until March unfortunately
I reached out to NB directly to see what they can do..... 650 is a seriously nice boat
@@BaitBallin Built with timber stringers!!
Will miss your adventures, loved every one of them , ive just boaght a stabi 2100 and , rekon I'd really be thinking noosa cat or kevla cat or something for you , will look fwd to all your next videos tho. In the meantime , my engine goes on in 2 weeks your welcome to fish with me anytime , but I'm in rye and that could be too far away from you
Thanks Steve! Will check them out. Suddenly there are two many options.... Easier when I was talking about 5 brands ahhaha
In rye , yamaha goes on in 2 weeks if you can get down here anytime can take you out and fish 🐟
Rye Vic? Bit far but see how sad I become without a boat. May have to hit the road for some action 😉
Yep but anytime ,, first boat for a whilst so it'll be funny , thanks so much for all your info 21 degree covers etc , awesome
Good luck mate for your next purchase.
All options are on the table!
One of nzs best brands you probably never heard of is AMF...top shelf ..if you can get yourself a used one of those...beats all the brands you mentioned..plus been around for years.
Well engineered. I'm not biased either. I did work for them building them though.
I have also seen many others and are a boat connoisseur of sorts..stabi do ride quite well. AMF are the most solid..and will hold together long after all the other brands ..plus 6mm hull or thicker.
Your average glass boat may be a tad heavier ..just beware they require a bit more TLC ..like garage or covers to look after them.
Haines hunter are overall best ..plus another buccaneer. All kiwi boats.
The Haines came in first prize at many boat shows. ...namely the SF 600 AND SF 535. There's also SF700. All great.
For your back ..a cat would give softest ride...but with twin o/b fuel cost may rise.
Let me know if you want any nz kiwi boatbuilder advice .
I know alot of these builders as I'm in the industry..and a few of the new plate boat startups are personally mates.
Most of them are big loud names but build very few ..and are custom made boats only..not Mass production like surtees and stabicraft, Maclay, Extreme etc.
Hey man thanks for the info! For now have just bought a project boat for something different....keen to roll up the sleeves again
Surtees is 5mm bud, ive got a 5.5 surtees & ihate it when theres some side chop, im considering a different option
The 700 and 750 I was referring to. Yep all the small models are toys across the board. All plate brands.
@@BaitBallin have you ever happened to ride in a quintrex ocean spirit? I do like the hull shape
Yes indeed I have. Absolutely bloody hard riding. Will knock your teeth out. Lots of time in them and coast runners....
You should buy a 680 Haines me and my dad had one and we cried when we sold it and won’t get a better riding boat in that size you won’t regret buying one
Hey there are some really nice ones around, but was worried about water coming over the front of them? Behind a walk around style
We never had water over the front of it they are a great boat
Hey Mark,
Great overview and agree with your comments. I bought a 670HT and due to the ride of the plate boats (the wife had back surgery), I sold it in under a year and ended up going with a Cruiscraft EX720HT. Definitely not bagging the BC which was an awesome rig, but chalk and cheese when compared to the CC as far as ride and handling etc. Do yourself a favour and check them out, as the comfort factor is brilliant and I am very confident that you would enjoy the ride, despite your ailments.
Love your channel mate 👌🏻
Hey thanks man. Definitely out of my price range but will keep an eye out for a second hand 658 for sure! I have always like them. Good stuff
Have a look at a southern formula or northbank
I don't like the low, runabout design on SF. Cabin quite cramped, but northbanks definitely!
Please correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think I've ever heard of a good review to date or a proud owner banging on about how good their Southern Formula is. (Although I'd like to see one)
Think their only claim to fame is to ripp-off the name formula.
We all know that by utilising the name formula it means an excuse to change potential customers big bucks💰
Cant help but think, must certainly be giving owners and potential buyers the wrong impression about their performance by adopting the legendary formula name 🤔
I like HH boats, they produce some great hulls, I owned a 680 patriot for years and loved it, it was a pretty good performer, but HH definitely went down the wrong path by adopting that name.
Look after yourself.. I hope for your speedy recovery.
Have you looked at veitch boats? Proper deep v boat with ballast tanks for smoother softer ride. And one of the best looking boats I’ve seen
Yes have for sure, would love but way above my family imposed budget tbh
What about Formosa?
They ride hard and slow. But for a bay boat etc fine.
So would you say I should just pull the trigger on a Caribbean 2300 or something similar if I want a comfortable offshore capable, fishing, cruising and family boat. I don’t want to waste time and money on these plate boats if at the end they will just not tick all those boxes.
For comfort in plate you need to go big. 7m plus, but they aren't all equal. 2300 is the pinnacle of game boats in that size range. The ultra deep vee boats make crap game fishing rigs and never stop rocking and rolling. 2300 with twin 150s is the go, or single 300.
You need to weigh up your options, do you want a soft fast boat that's a pig at rest or a slower more stable platform... as you said boat prices have sored recently and trying to find that perfect boat that has it all won't see much change back from 200k.
Yeah totally. I may have to look at second hand id say here
@@BaitBallin Yeah that's another option for sure, there's a lot of good second hand boats out there mate as you know you just sold one.
You gotta watch the way they measure the length of boat for Barcrusher and some other brands
Totally. Almost all brands now! Especially in the glass segment also. Have a look at what Haines signature have done to the bowsprit area to include in length. The 602f is now a 640f.
Hey mate nice vid don’t know your price range but have a look at the 620 sea devil or even the Veitch both sick fibreglass deep V boats
Definitely above my price range 😂🤣
Horses for courses .
Deep v with a ballast tank suck for beach launching and will try to become a submarine in real heavy weather they also require more horsepower for the same speed .
When comparing brands Measure the actual affective size not how long it is overall .
Some brands include from the very tip of the fairlead to the tip of the handrail at the rear in length some use the actual hull length not the overhangs .
I had a 6m McLay it was shit in chop but when it really got bad I could comfortable plane at 16 knots in anything I encountered . Deep v boats would be extremely compromised in such conditions ever forced into taking the waves at a very obtuse angle making the journey time much longer or taking green water over the bow. Not a fan of hard tops some brands are selling hardtops that are way to small to support the comprises that comes with the windage of a large wheel house on too small too narrow or too deep v hulls . Hard tops lean into the wind resulting in bashing the incoming seas. Trim taps can compensate for this bit rob performance. Hard tops on small hulls are too compromised .
Yep agree man. Many of these hard tops are crap and don't work well in real world conditions at all. Boats need to be decent size and design to accommodate it well
Starbicraft!
I reckon out of all these options extreme boats are one of the best overall
Well the hulls are a bit light compared to the best out there. But they are good yes
They didn’t “copy” surtees they ripped them off outright, bunch of crooks.
Sure. But it's not my beef so I refrain from commenting on it..... I just focus on the boats
Sorry to see the Barcrusher go but now it’s a difficult decision what to replace it with got to have Shark Attack seats for starters Mark good luck.
Yeah thanks man! A hassle but also exciting
Sound like USA Made Parker vs. Defiance Boats...
Nooo will you still upload
Yep from anybody's boat I can get on! Until get new boat
@@BaitBallin thank god 😂 what boat are you Looking for
Looking at Caribbean, northbank and haines at this stage. If they don't work, will keep looking
You missed what in my opinion is the best plate boat ever made... white pointer
Yeah they look like a beast, haven't been in one. Specs look good. Bit light on the deadrise
I recently purchased a Senator 650 Hard Top the ride has exceeded all my expectations, plenty of deck area and a quiet ride
Coming back from Rottnest in 25Knots no problems
Hey senator ? Not familiar with that brand
@@BaitBallin another kiwi pontoon boat company.
Would senator, kiwikraft, & profile/procell be considered Stabi imitator "crap?"
I don't think so. But I honestly don't have enough experience with them to give good answer. DNA also another one. They all look well built and may have even evolved past stabi in some ways
Let me tell you what plate boat owner's don't want to hear...
That glass boats ride better.
You know it.... that's why you are going back.
Yes but that's because my requirements have changed. I was doing alot of towing, now my boat stays at coast etc so can leave a heavier boat there. While I was towing alot, the tinny worked ok
@@BaitBallin it's like comparing Chuck steak and Rib eye....
Coming home yesterday in an oncoming 15 knot breeze .... I caught and overtook a brand new quintrex and left him for dead in a late 80's Crusie Craft....
Displacement / weight... you cannot beat it..
No offence... I watch some of your videos and cringe at how hard that Bar Crushed rides.
great review mate !!!
Glad you liked it
Suss out Atomix 600 cabin 👍 do vids on your searches also from all the different boats
Yeah that's the plan! See how we go
This is why I’ve enjoyed your content cause it’s 100 per cent honest and more often than not hits the nail on the head. Bar crushers are noisy but it’s all sound and not in the ride. Surtees are behind the times when it comes to ergonomics, it’s taken them years for them just to change their dash layout. Their folding roof is due for a change to! Blindfold someone on those 2 boats and you wouldn’t tell the difference in ride.
Absolutely Surtees is constantly playing catch up and is let's face it, quite lazy in meeting customers needs! Thanks man
How do people rate Formosa ?
Get what you for there...
what do you think of cats because a lot of cat brands claim they ride the best goodluck with your fiberglass journey
Haven't had much experience on them, only a few trips and were like 8m so bigger than what is look at so hard to tell
@@BaitBallin Sailfish Reef runner
you forgot to mention that barcrushers are wet boats (bulk spray in the boat )and stabicrafts pound like fu*k. Don't get me wrong, in good conditions there all awesome but as my mates and I say it's the "spine-a-bifater" factor that matters. On a really shit run home even my mates Kevlar cat rattles you sometimes. I went for a run on the weekend in a "wave rider hydrofoil " in disgusting conditions on the sunshine coast. Mind blowing 🤯 ride. I'm buying one. Check'm out on TH-cam.
Yes they are wet, but guess what so are the new Haines hunters (no flare barely), but yes I've mentioned it elsewhere. Well update so far is: Caribbean are 2024 wait. So off the list.
Hey Shane I checked out the wave rider boats. Interesting design hull. How does it travel in swell? Does it surf and broach?
@@toms881 never,ever broach's.The one that I sea trialed with pat the manufacturer had retractable foils and seemed to ride softer, the faster we went. It was truly atrocious conditions and a cat and big hainsy turned back while we skimmed out on all sorts of angles.
Bad luck about your health mate and i think your pretty spot on with what you have said about those boats but its still going to about the conditions at sea on how bad you knocked around out there and weather reports are not the best at times you have to get there to see what its like.
Yeah agreed. Might have to actually spend alot more time fishing on close... estuaries, bays etc
Look at the 5.99 Polycraft.
Lol ok 565 Eden craft.
Bit small for my liking. Prefer something 6.2 plus....
Shark cat
I have budget and towing limits unfortunately. 3100kg
Haines Hunter 773, all your problems solved 🤝
Too old, you’d be forever fixing something. You’ll be wasting more time fixing all the issues than actually enjoying boating and fishing. Better off with a new 725 or 675 Offshore, if you have the money.
Nz sure does have a lot of boat brands lol