How Barcrusher, Surtees, Stabicraft Plate Alloy compare to Fibreglass boats?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ม.ค. 2021
- Quick chat about the key construction, design and performance differences between top shelf plate alloy boats and top shelf fiberglass boats. Not everyone will agree with here me, but that's ok, these are only my opinions.
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Great video man, very informative.
Super informative!
Great overview and comparison! Using this video for my highschool class to teach them pros and cons of boat construction materials
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I would like to see this guy do boat/gear reviews - all the magazine boat reviews just say what the manufacturer wants but so good to hear opinions like a good 6m figlass is similar to a good 6.7m plate boat
yep! thanks for the feedback. all dealers or brands and paid reviewers always have an agenda! you get sick of the BS, that's why I've started these type of videos
Awesome overview 👍🏻
Thanks man
Good summary mate I agree with your comments 100%. Opinions backed by experience.
thanks! yeah no emotion or ego here... just my honest experience. plenty of good rigs out there for all budgets and styles of fishing
Bait Ballin, my understanding is that the new fibreglass systems they use today are more impact resistant then plate alloy. Chop strand fibreglass is weaker.
hmm, interesting...I will look into it. I regularly bang these plates into jettyes etc coming in too fast and zero marks or issues. I do like that....haha
Perfectly measured summary there. I'm currently tossing up between fibreglass or plate for next boat. Currently have 5m pressed alloy tinny. Has served me well but as you said and I agree that it is hard riding, wet and maintenance isn't that easy as it has floating floorboards and not a sealed deck so it captures a lot of water, gunk and tackle. I'm super careful as well but amazing what you find. Also starting to see its limitations as I push offshore a bit more. My mate has a 615m Bar Crusher and it is so nice. Still pretty wet on occasions I've found but can't fault much else.
yep the cuddy plates are a bit wet due to lack of flare in the hull....for ease of use and years of hassle free boating plate is excellent. it's a tough one! so so many choices out there! probably decide on plate or glass first then narrow down from there.
Yes good point. Cheers!
The other thing in the back of my mind is getting a boat that achieves positive/level floatation. There doesn't seem a heap out there in either plate or fibreglass. Do you think positive buoyancy is worth it?
no honestly I don't. I ran a BC into a rock at high speed, didn't puncture hull.
check out smaller barcrusher and Surtees cuddys and in glass check out northbanks, really rate them. also don't mind some of the smaller haines hunters and even the tournament 1800 and 1900.
@@BaitBallin thanks that's legendary!
Great comparison - keep up the unbiased work. I guess the simple thing a plate boat gives you is security. As you said your rock adventure would have buried a generally better riding F/G hull - but driving home battered and bruised beats swimming and thinking your last day has come.....
And having done both, a few years of polishing a boat regularly and needing minor chips/cracks/scratches repaired sux compared to a simple wash each time for the F/G ride and spray benefits - 90% of the time the weather is passable and when it is crap it always is no matter how decent the boat and a good platey will make you feel as safe as a good fibreglass boat.... just wear ear plugs :)
yeah and don't get me wrong, when I say the glass rides better I'm talking a little bit. not night and day.... not enough to make me want to own a glass trailer boat again any time soon.
yep low maintenance, strength and safety are winning features for me these days. but no disrespect for anyone choosing glass either...
Thanks for the great informative video. I'm currently in the market for a new boat and trying to decide between these. Have a family that are pretty prone to sea sickness though, so stability is key. Did you have any recommendations for the best 6-7m fibreglass fishing boat (in your opinion)? thanks!
Northbank excellent value, Haines 625 and 675 excellent but pricey. The flooding ballast boats like mine have exceptional stability at rest, but not when underway. Haines signature 640 and 680f also nice boats.
With recent price rises, fibreglass is now presenting better value for money in my opinion. In the plate boats my favourites are barcrusher 670ht and 730ht and Surtees 700 game Fisher. Also like stabicraft 2150 Super cab
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Good non biased review!
In my 30 years of boating it’s still hard to pick Between fibreglass or alloy.
My pros with alloy, less weight, more durability, mods are easier, more fuel efficient and less maintenance.
Cons, you can have corrosion problems with aluminium if not sealed around bolt holes and screw holes like you mentioned with the glass boats, colder in winter, wetter, hull slap at rest and more of a industrial feel to them.
I think it boils down to if you have 200k to spend on a 7m boat you go glass.
If you have only 120k for a 7m go aluminium.
yep it's a fair point indeed and I feel exactly the same way as you. unfortunately I have to tow alot and actually have alot of physical issues. so light weight and easy to handle etc is critical.
re 120k, that'd the thing they are bloody sky rocketing in value now.... (New price). so not even allot boats that cheap anymore
One thing I have not seen mentioned in plate vrs fiberglass is handling when it gets really rough.
Fiberglass is heavy and often have a deeper v. Fiberglass handle far worse once it is too rough to plane and they get on the plane at a higher speed than for alloy.
When it gets real bad they are liable to nose dive into waves and sit lower so have less freeboard .
Alloy will ride over waves and still retain good freeboard when it gets scary.
Alloy being light and shallower v will often plane down to 12kn or so. In the real crap you can trim the noise down and still safely get home at a reasonable speed picking your way though the waves still on the plane.
Wow yeah I know the prices are now disgusting tbh. Even second hand!
What is your opinion of mclay and formosa boats? Formosa srt looks very smart in particular the transom door configuration. I watched the video by good time marine which show how the formosa hull is constructed. They look to last. Massive stringers and lots of bulkheads. Mclay stringers do not look as strong in comparison and less bulkheads. Which do you personal prefer?
Formosa are one the of worst rising boats around, they bang so hard into swell and chop. Mclay substantially better! Not even close to each other.
@@BaitBallin which model you had ride on? Not doubting you. I have also heard from formosa owners that they ride great in the chop. New beeies like me get totally confused. Been a beammy boat i also thought it can slap pretty hard. It properly ride on the wave not through it.
The larger hard tops, I've known a few people to buy them then couldn't sell them quick enough. There are a few that head offshore regularly where I do, I fly past them while they are getting crunched. If your not doing serious offshore work / trips they will be fine
Hi, I really love your advice and comparison of the boats. I am thinking of buying a Trident 690 or a Revival 640 and confused which is the best way to go. Both roughly comparison in price, both will be soft tops for towing and storage reasons. But would like to set my boat up to sleep in as well for a weekend away. So confused which would be better for warmth, quietness and comfort. Could you please help me with this dilemma please as I am not sure, because anything over $110,000 is a lot of money to Guess which is best. I would welcome any feed back that can be give please.
Tbh, I wouldnt buy the trident. But the 640 revival is a well built boat, actually pretty damn sweet.....
Cant remember the bunk length, but I'd definitely recommend checking our a northbank 600c also, top rig!
How do you deal with corrosion electrolysis and maintaining a healthy boat, especially in moorings? Genuinely keen for advice.
Apart from ensuring nine of the wrong metals etc are touching the alloy, the only other thing you can do is try keep water out of your boat. They will have issues even if fresh water sits in the hull for prolonged periods. So you gotta keep them nice and dry....(good boat Cover!)
@@BaitBallin thanks
Have seen your episode on boat covers already and took notes.
Regularly pour 2 litres of vinegar into the bottom of your alloy hull it’ll hold off electrolysis very well
Do you have any experience with stessl brand?
Not anything current, just older ones. They would be an ok basic / beginners boat
Who laid those pavers 😂😂👍👍
If it was bad, probably me
I went on south bound boat the other day 6.6cc ali and had some bad chop have to say best riding Ali I have been on and been on almost all big brands. I got a new glass boat and transom issues after 50 hours not a cheap boat either. Having a south bound made and scraping the glass.
No good! Yeah man alloy boats corrode and glass boats can rot and fall apart. At the moment I know people having dramas with both types, name brands included. Definitely have to be careful...
It’s crazy I looked in to it no regulations when it comes to building boats anyone can do it you could make a boat out of card board and rate it to 300hp and could get it registered!
It’s crazy I looked in to it no regulations when it comes to building boats anyone can do it you could make a boat out of card board and rate it to 300hp and could get it registered!
Hey mate in your opinion what do you think has the best ride and stability for a glass boat 6m range
I like the Caribbean's. Reef runner and 2300. But closer to 6m, the 625 or 675 Haines. None of the soft riding boats are super stable. It's always a trade off. Cruise craft are more stable but ride pretty hard in a head sea.
560 sharkcat woujd be the best ride stability and fishing deck room in that range by far 19r Haines Edencraft bass straight and so on
Thanks for this vid mate.
I’m eyeing up a beautiful twin hull 9m aluminium aluminium alloy boat to build an electrical solar powered boat to live on.
Do you know anyone who has done this with alloy?
I've known a few people who have built custom, large plate boats with some pretty cool features but not twin hull and not to live on. sounds like a very interesting idea!
@Bait Ballin
Awesome. Thank for your reply and your great vids
Hi
I recently bought the same boat as you it arrives in June .
Do you upgrade your license and what do you use to pull it??
Best regards tommy
Just need normal boat license. Used to have ford ranger, now I have a Pajero Sport which does fine.....
@@BaitBallin hi mate thanks for the reply . i have just sold the smaller boat so i have a boat licence so thats all good.
i have recently bought a new hilux so hopfully that will pull it ok. did the ranger pull it ok?
Yeah that will be absolutely fine
@@BaitBallin thanks again for the help and ive watched most of your videos very helpful cant wait till my boat arrives in june
All good! You will love it.
Thanks for another great vid. I too like whitewhale4772 am seriously looking at up grading my 5.3m cuddy pressed ally boat. I was a bit keen on the Yellowfin 7600 Southern but from your comments they do not have bracing in the hull. I have seen a youtube on this and it seems ok. I would really appreciate your thoughts on this. The other option, although more expensive, is a Cruisecraft 657 HT. Love to get your feed back. Cheers Graeme
hey Graeme, look tbh Yellowfin are OK, they aren't in the standard of the brand's I talk about usually. the southerners (7000 or 7600) are the only ones worth considering at all. ergonomics poor, welds basic. can't go wrong with a cruise craft although I'd say the Haines hunters and north banks are a softer hull.
first thing I'd do is go see heaps of boats and brands at something like the Sydney boat show and you will quickly discount the ones you don't like before narrowing down further.
definitely go hard top with glass absolutely a must in any case!
@@BaitBallin Thanks for your feed back. Unfortunately I am in regional WA and at best there is only one boat shop with the good boats in them. Plus with Covid the majority of boats have all been sold and there are very few new boats to even look at. I was planning to attending the two boat shows later in the year as well just to confirm my decision. Cheers and thanks for your advice.
you wouldn't be unhappy with a yellowfin, until you see a barcrusher or Surtees etc. I think the Yellowfin definitely has its place in the mid spec, 'platish' boat market but they are now too expensive for what you get. I don't like lack of ballast either.
I'm building a wood epoxy glass boat. Every single penetration into the hull is sealed with epoxy. Any hole with any kind of exposure to water is not only sealed, but drilled over diameter, filled with epoxy putty then drilled through the epoxy. Most commerically built boats just use sealant. Sealant works for a few years, but eventually it will give and water gets in. They simply don't take the time to seal everything. If buying an old glass boat price in a transom and stringer rebuild, or be willing to do it yourself.
Yep agree.....seems like boring works but highly important. My boat at moment is very solid, but still Heaps of work to be done. Going slowly....
Great vid mate, very informative, try not to bag out the older fiberglass boats too much, I get what your saying, rotted out transoms etc. Most older fiberglass boats have had or will need a rebuild at some stage because of the old methods used. but its important to remember some of these old boats that have a rebuild are still going stronger now than when they first came out of the factory, and they are dating back to the early 70's (that is getting up 50+ years old).
I'm a welder by trade of over 35yrs and I have and still do my fair share of repairing plate ally boats, tell you now I wouldn't want to welding any ally boat that has 50yrs of use. Ally that is 25 yrs old can give you enough trouble trying to weld it if it hasn't been looked after. Since massed produced ally plate boats are reasonably new in construction compared to fiberglass in the recreational scene it will be interesting to see what state of repair "they" will be in in 50yrs time. Commercial ally boats different story they need to be looked after to pass survey checks and are owned by real fishermen not weekend fisho's.
Just want to highlight, electrolysis will kill any ally boat just as much as rot can kill a fiberglass boat, it only takes one escaped and forgotten about lead sinker in and ally boat to start the process. Cheers.
yep spot on agree. I've re build many transoms and floors on old glass boats. it's just a job that I absolutely hate and very dangerous! my dad is lucky to be alive from lung cancer and I suspect the fumes from us doing stuff like that contributed. and yes agree old allot boats are regularly full of tiny pin holes where the electrolysis actually wears through completely.... so will be interesting not see how these 5083 plates fair in 50 years for sure!
Can I ask why a press alloy boat rides worse than a plate alloy??
lighter weight and generally much shallower deadrise (vee) under bottom of the boat. huge difference in ride and handling.
Been in a 6m Eden or bass strait?
Only been in the 23 model edencraft not the 6m models
Actually no! Forgot, also did a full day in 6m edencraft but very very long time ago. Like 15 years
Whitepointer Boats, Cootamundra Craft, Bass Strait Boats all don't use wood
Yep which is good, but in some brands has made them too light and have even experienced cracking etc.... trade offs I guess
6m haines hunter will eat that in big seas
Who said you can't roll Plate? Maclay have been rolling 5083 for years? And not all fibreglass boats use wood, reason why all the yanks give lifetime on their hulls.
many boats in Aus still use wood which is surprising, some don't... it's changing. may be able to roll it some what I guess,the point is I don't see any plate hulls with seriously flared bows etc to match the shape that can achieved by glass or thin pressed alloy tinnies.
575 BC or Northbank 550C?
Northbank will be smoother riding for sure. BC a durable tinny, so depends what you're after
@@BaitBallin I mainly fish for whiting/gummy and snapper in season. Most time anchored In Westernport Bay, Melbourne. Hardly go offshore, but will do the odd trip for tuna.
@@stevev8407 yeah BC will so that easy. I basically have no sheltered areas to fish. It's offshore, open ocean or nothing essentially over here
@@BaitBallin Legend, Thanks for that. Just put a deposit 3 weeks ago. January delivery. Keep up the great work.
Wood and water.....not a good combination, long-term.
Absolutely.... But these old things are a piece of boating history and some old things deserve to be restored.