A lot of you guys asked if the TFIT clasp can work on the BB58. The answer is here: th-cam.com/video/IRS2zcljBKI/w-d-xo.html Tudor did some trickery to make it as hard as possible
I have the BB58 39mm and use it with the Tudor leather strap now. My AD called to let me know she has a Pro with my name on it but it's with the leather strap. My question is since I have the BB58 20mm stainless strap sized and sitting around would I be able to fit it onto the Pro? Much obliged and very detailed here, loved the close up and comparisons, kudos
Thanks man glad you enjoyed it! And that's exciting to hear that you got the call however the BB58 bracelet won't work on the BB Pro unfortunately. It comes down to the endlinks being different due to the different midcase dimensions on the two watches. The only other option would be to order a bracelet separately but I hear those are going for about $800 or so. I guess it depends on how badly you want the bracelet? I think it would still be worthwhile to try on the BB Pro on the strap tho!
@@MrHero1976 I now switched to tropic straps and really like it. Wear a lot lighter. Maybe get it with this hybrid straps then have them order bracelet for you.
I was very skeptical about the thickness of the BB Pro, yeah I tried it on at the AD and the thickness is no issue. Thinnest 14.6 I ever saw and I'm so glad I was wrong. Very much thinking about upgrading my BB36 silver dial to it, or maybe the black/ gilt 58. Hard choices, we should all be so lucky. PS I have a 6.25" wrist and I *HATE* thick watches so if I can pull this off literally anyone can.
Awesome to hear that the BB Pro worked for you as well as it did! I barely even notice that there was ever a thickness issue since its just so comfortable lol! And its very telling that you're coming from wearing a very svelte 36mm BB but you're still thinking that the BBPro works fine. Obviously tastes differ but I'm happy to hear that its not impossible for smaller wrists!
I also have a similar sized wrist and with the bracelet adjusted to size, it actually articulates slightly better than the BB58, tho both are are absolutely fine. The clasp is also exceptional with the Tfit.
As an owner I totally agree. Refreshing to hear an honest opinion rather than a regurgitated one found on all the articles. Has to also be said, most of these guys have 6.5” wrists!
I picked this up 2 weeks ago on bracelet - thickness is not an issue for me at all. Wears in-between a 41 and a 58. My opinion is that people are overflowing the thickness without giving it a hands on try. The domed sapphire, slimmed mid case, and downward slanted bezel makes it feel slimmer that the standard 41. Factor in the 70hr power reserve, killer lume plots, fabulous color schemes/matching, anti-magmatism, cosc cert, adjustable bracelet, etc……it’s a real nice package!
Congrats on the pickup! And yeah I agree with every point you made! the amount of height the bezel and crystal take up really reduces the overall height quite a bit which I am so thankful for. Its a seriously good watch given that I'm ok with the thickness, theres pretty much nothing else to complain about!
It's a nice watch for sure, but it's ok to make a decision on the thickness without trying it. I can clearly see from this video that it is too thick for me, but I am happy for others who like it.
I had a BB GMT. At first, the thickness didn’t bug me. You are in the honeymoon. Over time, I realized it was less comfortable than every other watch I owned. Sold it after a year, it’s one of the most flipped watches for a reason. I think this one will be the same. At this price point there shouldn’t be a compromise, when Longines can do a true GMT at a cheaper price which isn’t thick, Tudor should too.
@r2l100 agreed - I like the design of this, just the flaws. I am going to check out the Zulu time when it arrives in town. It will be interesting to see how Swatch use that new movement, it’s an advantage for them.
You've said exactly what I was thinking when the Pro was launched. And that is people should wait to try it on to make any kind of good commentary. I don't have issues with chunkier watches as long as it's not extreme and it fits the style of watch. So I knew this Pro would be a good bet for me. Thanks for the review and keep up the good work! I only have 20 people ahead of me on my AD's wait list. See you soon Black Bay Pro, maybe in 2023?
Yessss it totally ok to have strong feelings about any watch but in the end theres just no way of knowing what a watch will be like in real life even beyond the thickness of a watch. Happy to hear that you're pumped about the BB Pro and I'm excited for you to get it! Hopefully the day comes sooner than 2023!
Thanks man I'm glad you enjoyed the video! Its a serious awesome watch and I'm loving the new "non diver" tudor experience I'm getting from it. I hope you get to see one in person soon, and when you do definitely let me know what you think of it!
Awesome review, sir. You continue to be the best and most relatable watch reviewer on TH-cam. Congrats on the new pickup and keep up the outstanding work.
Thank you so much man your support from the very early days has been awesome😁! I'm happy to hear that you enjoyed this video bc it was definitely a fun one to make! A lot more info to come from this gem!
Thanks for the great detailed breakdown, as always! I want to like this watch so much. As it is, with my slim lanky frame and wrists, my BB58 is already at the very limit of chunkiness I can pull off. Fully appreciate how all the new adopters of the Pro with chunkier wrists are saying it's not an issue, but unfortunately, it's a sad no-can-do for me. Enjoy the piece bro! Looks great on you! (Tudor: Please please please make a slimmer version next time. Meanwhile, it's still and only my 16570 for me.)
Sure thing, I'm glad you enjoyed all the details! Ah yeah if the BB58 is on the chunkier side for you then i'm not sure this will work for you bc while it doesnt wear much thicker than the BB58, it does in the end wear thicker. Unfortunately even the thin tudors will be chunky bc of their use of the slab sides. Ah the 16570 is an absolute gem of a watch I have the 216570 but sold it bc it was too big and I'm hoping that rolex goes back to the size and proportions of the 16570! Or fingers crossed that Tudor will finally make a thinner gmt movement for a BB58 GMT!
Such a great review, I really appreciate how detailed all your videos are. I’d love to see a video of you putting the Pro bracelet on your 58 to see how the T Fit clasp helps with a better fit and looks. Assuming you can swap bracelets.
Thank you so much, I'm glad you enjoy all the details, its definitely fun getting into the weeds lol! Yeah I'll be trying that out very soon and if everything goes to plan a video will come too (maybe this weekend😁)
Nicely done! great closeups and shots! I have been enjoying mine on the rubber strap now going on 2 weeks and it has become my daily. Thanks for all the info on the bracelet as well. I had originally ordered it on the bracelet but could not wait... so now I am waiting on the bracelet. Hopefully, it'll get here sooner rather than later but since you and I have the same wrist size I can be more certain that ordering the bracelet is the smart move. But I will have to say the rubber strap (although I am on the last hole) is top-notch and I am glad I have it.
Thank yo so much, I'm happy to hear that you enjoyed those shots as they were fun to film! The rubber strap does look pretty cool and it looks like it can easily handle the watch as well. Yeah I'm glad you're getting the bracelet as well because it an awesome bracelet and the tfit clasp elevated the bracelet a huge amount. So I'm really curious, how much did the bracelet cost? as far as I remember the new Speedmaster bracelet was $750 but it doesnt have a quick adjust clasp.
Well, no price as of yet. I asked my AD and they didn’t know but would inform me as soon as they know. I’m thinking somewhere in the 400-600 dollar range.
Oh man that's a steep price but honestly given how awesome that clasp is and how great the experience is on the bracelet I think that it's still justifiable! Excited for you man!
@@thewatchidiot 850? Ouch… but at the end of the day worse case scenario… one should be able to get money back if it doesn’t work out (which I doubt cause that bracelet and clasps seem to be lifers. I’m actually going to be happy to have both! Still haven’t taking it off😁
The pop of yellow really brings it together. As always I wish there was a no date version but if I was in the market for a GMT it'd definitely be on the list.
yessss the yellow gmt hand makes such a big difference in terms of the overall feel. if it was orange it just wouldnt have been the same. I'd be down for a date free version as well mainly to make it thinner.
@@thebrownhat1 Agreed, tbh I don't understand why 3 'o clock is the standard. The only difference in manufacturing is literally drill a hole at 6 instead of 3. Much more symmetrical look.
I have been wearing this watch for about one week now and I can assure this watch is just awesome The thickness is a non issue . Highly recommend that you go try this on is available . This watch is a keeper very satisfied
Thank you so much for the support and I'm glad to hear that you're enjoying the videos! Both watches are awesome so Either Tudor would make for an awesome first tudor so I guess it comes down to if you want the bracelet or not! Let me know which one you decide to buy!
thanks for the interesting review! I'm wondering about the different crown positions and if it has a quick date adjustment. could you please help me out with this?
I really hope that in the next year or two they make a polar BB Pro. That might push me over the edge to get one as it does look like a hell of a watch
It all depends on wrist size. I thought the Oris 65 Diver was going to be my one watch, but it was actually too thin for my 7.25in wrist. This is why I considered, and ended up getting the BB58. I knew the thicker case would look better. Looks like the BB Pro would suit those with a pretty big wrist size.
Yeah wrist size will definitely play a big role and actually wrist shape could be a factor as well here. Yeah the BB58 does wear quite a bit thicker than the Oris Divers 65, I tend to go for smaller watches so for me, I'm glad that the 40mm size and big dial was mitigated by the very thin looking case. But yeah anyone with a larger wrist will be able to wear the BB Pro without any issues
Why didn’t they give it a rotating bezel? I have a GMT with a bezel that rotates. It was amazing fun to travel with it, track my hone time zone and still be able to time things like a parking meter. Sure, there is a bit of math (every even number is five minutes) but it works. Just wondering why not add the functionality of a rotating bezel. Thanks.
I’ve just got my Blackbay Pro. On the clasp the locking mechanism for the slide adjustment is the wide thin grooves. But it also has a row of small holes. From the look of it these don’t actually do anything. What are your thoughts?
lol the BB58 one was not great but here its maybe not as solid as I would have expected it to be but its pretty much solid though so I'm really thankful for that
Can that clasp and micro adjustment be fitted on the BB58 bracelet? Better yet, is that bracelet identical to the BB58 with the exception of the clasp and micro adjustment?
I had those exact same questions and here's my video answering every one of your questions lol (live at 10am)! Short answer is no but not the way i would have expected. th-cam.com/video/IRS2zcljBKI/w-d-xo.html
I just got one a couple days ago. Agreed with most of what you say. I really believe the t fit clasp help with how it fits and stays on my wrist. Of course if it is 20 grams lighter and 2 or 3 millimeters thinner it’ll be perfect. This is $4K watch and people have to stop comparing it to a Rolex whatever that cost 2-3 times more.
Yeah it would have been damn near perfect if it was thinner and lighter but even without that its one of the most comfortable watches i've owned! Yeah it doesnt make sense to directly compare it to a rolex especially since this is 39.5mm vs 42mm. if someone wants a small explorer II they have to go for the BB Pro!
I was able to try both the GMT pro and GMT S&G at the AD and preferred the same thickness from the pro on a bigger case because it felt more proportional, so I bought the S&G GMT root beer on the nato strap and I love it. Also own a BB blue and I did notice that the lume on the snowflake hands have more of a cream color and doesn’t match perfectly with the white on the indices. It’s hard to see it at first but under the right lighting it is noticeable.
Nice congrats on the new watch! I can see how the BB41 GMT can work better for some wrists for sure however for me after owning one for a month it was just too heavy for me. They do look great tho and they got the colors right with your SG!
I had the same question! Answer is here (at 10am): th-cam.com/video/IRS2zcljBKI/w-d-xo.html Short answer is no but not the way I would have expected it. Also its technically possible to order the bracelet from an AD but unfortunately only for the BB Pro
We have the same watch and same car although mine has an mx5 badge. I’ve had my pro for about a month and I got it on the rubber, I originally thought it was too thick but I decided to go and try it on and I’m so glad I did, I think mine wears even thinner than yours as I wear it a bit tighter, I can’t stand it when my watch move’s (complete opposite to you). I think it looks better on the rubber but people keep posting things with it on the bracelet and I’m really tempted as that also looks superb. I would still be worried that if I set it to 169mm when my wrist expands to 175 I may be out of adjustment. I don’t think it’s fair to call it faux patina, I love the colour and the warmth it adds and in no way does it suggest it’s trying to look old.I think it’s a genuine design choice, it might have looked too stark if it was bright white but I may wrong. Mine also seems to be pretty accurate, about -0.3 seconds a day so I’m happy. I think the biggest negatives for me are no micro adjustment on the rubber strap and I find the gmt hand makes reading the time a bit more difficult, instead of a quick glimpse to read the time I have to actually look at the watch which is no bad thing.
Thats awesome man! Great to here from a fellow BB Pro and MX-5 owner😁 Glad to hear that its working well for you on the rubber and yeah you should definitely try out the bracelet because its a seriously good one! The tfit clasp made it work bc i can adjust it depending on my wrist and the most I've ever had to move it is two slots so i think you should be ok in terms of adjustment as theres a total of 8 slots I'm curious about trying on the rubber strap tho bc i love the look of it and it looks really comfortable too!
@@thewatchidiot the rubber strap is lovely but a real nightmare to change out, I had to use normal springbars to reinstall after playing with some NATOs and removing it in the first place was tough. It’s comfortable now, it did take a few days wear to get it to conform to my wrist and the deployment clasp is lovely to use.
Ah yeah that makes sense, I wish everyone already switched to quick change spring bars already!! I'll switch mine onto some natos to see what it's like, at first I was worried about it feeling top heavy but now I don't think it'll be a problem other than on super thin person straps maybe
I had the same question! Answer is here (at 10am): th-cam.com/video/IRS2zcljBKI/w-d-xo.html Short answer is no but not the way I would have expected it
Well done on your watch review 😎⌚👍. I would say that the thickness profile is comparable to Rolex Milgauss that I wear while the wearing appearance is akin to Explorer II 40mm black dial with added thickness. I think I would consider this over the BB58 Blue, though I could be wrong. Mother's Day Greetings. 😎⌚👍
Thanks I'm glad you enjoyed the video! Thats actually a good way of putting it, the last time I wore a modern milgauss was a few months ago but i can totally get what you mean. Yeah i think this can easily be considered alongside the BB58 bc while it is thicker its very manageable. Mother's day greeting to you too!
@@thewatchidiot I didn’t just enjoy it, in the end you convinced me to get it. I have a 7 1/2 inch wrist as well, and without any availability in my area, i didn’t think I would be able to wear a 39mm watch. I found one at an AD by a project I’m working on. Your opinions are spot on, and the wrist shots at all angles convinced me I could pull it off before I got serious to looking. Great reviews, you are really good!
Thank you so much! Yeah I'm definitely planning on doing that at some point because it would be a really interesting video for sure! Similar yet so different!
Can you please do weight comparison between the Tudor BB GMT and the Black Bay Pro? I know the weight is subjective to how many links are on but if you have both sized for the same wrist, then they should be comparable in weight difference ratio. I have the Tudor BB GMT but I find it top heavy. I hope the black Bay Pro weigh less. Thanks
Excellent review of a very nice watch. It looks thick and chunky compared to the BB58. Is it as chunky as the Tudor Pepsi GMT? I tried a Pepsi on at the AD the other day and it was too tall for my tastes.
Thank you so much, I'm glad you enjoyed it! compared to a BB58 it does look thicker but in terms of on the wrist feel it doesnt wear as thick as I was expecting it to. I actually owned a BB41 GMT when it first came out and as much as I liked the idea of it, i ended up returning it after a month. It was just too big in every way, 41mm width + 50mm lug to lug + a very stout 22mm lug width stance and bracelet + the weight of all the extra metal came together to make the watch way too chunky and heavy for me. The BB Pro on the other hand just wears like a BB58 that gained a little extra weight lol. Its seriously one of the most comfortable watches I've owned so if you like the watch definitely try it on!
I had the same question! Answer is here (at 10am): th-cam.com/video/IRS2zcljBKI/w-d-xo.html Short answer is no but not the way I would have expected it
Lol'd at bane😂 thanks for the detailed look at how it wears, it's definitely something that I've been thinking about and I appreciate all the nuances you get into. It now really doesn't look like the thickness is an issue other than it maybe "looking" a bit thicker than other watches which is great because it's a great watch. Still hoping for a thinner GMT movement eventually but tudor still did great with this one
Thanks Ed, glad you enjoyed all the details, I could have talked about it for hours more lol! Yeah exactly, right now the only time i think about the thickness is if i happen to see it at a certain angle for a second and then it disappears just as quick. Yeah I'm really hoping that Tudor is working on a thinner gmt movement right now bc I'm still hoping for a BB58 GMT as much as I love this one!
I've just discovered your channel, and I really like this review. My instinct on seeing this watch for the first time was I WANT ONE! The trouble is I already have a BB58 black and a Q series GMT. Mmm... Regarding the accuracy, my GMT is at least as good as yours. I haven't adjusted the time (as opposed to the date or time zone) since October 2021. That's nearly 7 months, and it's running about 30 seconds fast. It's uncanny... Regarding the size of the GMT (and by extension the Pro), it's marginally thicker (by about 0.5-1mm) than the Presage Sharp Edge GMT and the Longines Spirit Zulu Time GMT, yet nobody complains about the thickness of these watches. The Tudor watches give 200m water resistance, so that will add thickness, especially with the MT5652 ticking away inside. I have no problem sliding the GMT under any shirt cuff. The weight is pretty much inevitable with a complex movement that's built for work. I like the lume colour of the Pro. It adds warmth to the dial, which is good in cloudy, drizzly England. The same goes for the accents on the green bezel Zulu Time and the BB58 black. I feel that white/silver colour or blue work better in sunny conditions when the colour temperature lends itself better to these tones. So... how can I justify buying a Pro to my wife?
Congrats! hope to know if the caseback is that thick it doesn't allow the watch case to sit flush on the wrist. I saw the Pelagos with the MT movt had that issue.
Thanks! Oh yeah the caseback isnt unusually thick and feels like any other case back on other watches so it wears nice and flat on the wrist. The lugs also curve down nicely to give a close fit. The caseback on the pelagos is thicker although it doesnt float over my particular wrist but i can see how it can wear differently on different wrists tho. So far the BB Pro is the 2nd most comfortable watch i've owned after the 42mm Explorer II
Great video! Makes me want to try it on now since I discounted it before due to its thickness. I have a small 16 cm wrist. Btw, you planning to sell your Ocean 39 vintage ? 😊
Thanks man glad you liked the video! Yeah definitely try it on, it might surprise you! I'm not entirely sure how it would wear on a 16cm wrist i think it will also depend on the shape of your wrist as well but I think i could work. I have a friend with a similar sized wrist so I'll have him try it on to get an idea of what its like on a smaller wrist. As of right now, no plans to sell the steinhart! For me that gives me an entirely different wearing experience because of how unique that 1655 dial is. The BB Pro on the other hand wears much more like a modern day gmt. But it will also depend on how much wrist time the steinhart will get going forward.
Give this the BB GMT's pepsi bezel and I am all over this thing! If I had a say in the dimensions i'd go for something more like the old Brosnan seamasters (41mm across and 12mm thick, wears like a damn dream on my 7 inch/18cm wrist), but given how large the base movement is it's not bad going. Especially given that 70hr power reserve.
Yeah a bezeled version would have been so good! Yeah if this was a bit thinner like the SMPs you're talking about it would have been damn near perfect but yeah I agree considering what its offering its not too bad! Either way this is one of the most comfortable watches I've ever owned so thickness is a non issue for me😁
Great review! Curious how this compares for you in wearing experience to the BB GMT Pepsi? I really like the look of the Pepsi and feel like my wrist can handle it given I wore a Seamaster Planet Ocean 42mm for 10 years. That watch was a bit of thick, heavy beast but I would think the Tudor would be less so?
Thanks man! yeah if you're ok with the 42mm planet ocean then the tudor pepsi gmt should be more than ok with you although the bracelet is wider at 22mm so it might visually have more wrist presence even tho it would feel smaller than than the Planet ocean. For me honestly a big problem with the BB Pepsi gmt was the 22mm bracelet that made the watch look big. I have worn the 42mm Planet Ocean before and while it was really thick, to my eyes it looked more proportionate because of the 20mm bracelet. Not sure how you feel about 22mm vs 20mm bracelets
@@thewatchidiot great points and reply, sir! I have actually never tried a watch on a 22mm bracelet so that is something I would need to pay attention to for sure!
Speaking of Tudor what are your thoughts on the AD games played by their older brother Rolex? I’m after a black sub right now but have no purchase history, I’m debating building a relationship with my AD or going gray
Oh man this could be a whole video lol! But the games bad ADs play are awful when they basically extort you by saying that if you buy xy and z watches then you can get on the waitlist or when they basically sell everything to the grey market or only their absolute top clients. But for normal ADs, I'm more understanding of their situation since they only get a very small number of watches and there are many people who want those few watches. So in the end they have to keep their current clients happy and do their best not to sell to flippers. It doesnt make the situation feel better but at least its understandable. So I'd say try to find a sales associate or manager preferably who just like to talk about watches. If they see that you're just a watch guy, and that you wont run off and flip the watch, it is possible that you can get a submariner in a few months! Its more work than going for the grey market but its worth it in the long run
Congrats on the watch, it's epic! Looks like you've opted to sell the silver one, right? What are your thoughts on a pro, pelagos and bb58 in a single collection? I have a black 58, pelagos lhd and a blue bb41. Tempted to buy a pro but it seems to be too much for a single collection..
As much as I thought that they would step on each other's toes, they are actually quite different! (well as different as 2 explorer II's can be lol) The 1655 freccione look and feel is unlike any other watch and thats what I get from the steinhart whereas the BB Pro is more of a 16570 homage and it gives me the look and feel of a modern steel bezeled gmt. We'll have to see how the wrist time is split once the BB Pro honeymoon ends!
Question for you. Is the dial width total the same as crystal size or aperture? For example, the Rolex Explorer 36mm has an aperture or sapphire crystal size of roughly 30mm. This is not very different from even the Rolex Submariner, so to me the dial size, aperture, crystal size are important factors, just like lug-to-lug. :) Thanks for the video.
yeah the dial width measurement i listed in the dimensions (32.5mm or something) is the width of the crystal! the bb58 dial width is just under 31mm as far as I remember and Yeah this measurement makes a huge difference when it comes to getting an idea of how big a watch will look on the wrist for sure!
Hey TWI, the BB Pro looks normal on your 7.5 inch wrist. I was at my AD yesterday and tried the BB 58 on a leather strap and Nato. The 39mm just looked small on my 7.25 inch wrist. How does this wear compared to the BB 58? Maybe the bracelet makes it look bigger 🤔
Ah ok, it makes sense that the BB58 felt a bit thick on a nato, the slab sided midcase is accentuated by the thinness of the nato and a bit by the leather strap. It wears much better when its on a bracelet for sure! Compared to the BB58, the BB Pro does wear a bit thicker but its very well managed because the midcase isnt much thicker, so it really doesnt feel as thick as everyone continuously says. Its honestly one of the most comfortable watches I've ever owned!
Nice one TWI! Your views closely mirror my own after over a month of ownership. Far too much emphasis is on the numbers, height, lug to lug on so many different watches with opinions made and shared without even seeing one. I'm OK with the slight faux aged lume as I think it matches closer with the yellow GMT hand. I also have the LHD Pelagos and BB58 black dial that both have the slight aged lume. Now if it had an orange GMT hand I doubt it would work as well as white. Oh and wile I'm on a roll the lume performance of those little slices of cheese it really is great. I look forward to the updates on your experience, for sure mine is a keeper. Now to see if I can get a bracelet with the brilliant T Fit clasp for my BB58....
Thanks as always Anthony! Glad to hear that we're on the same page with this one! I really think this is an example of how plain numbers can paint a different picture bc as much as i knew that the watch would be ok i was worried about the thickness right up until i wore it for the first time. And since then its been probably the most comfortable watch I've owned maybe just short of my 42mm explorer II. I think this will end up as a keeper as well. Ah yeah, your tudors all have creamy lume! this is my first with it but its is hardly a big deal in the grand scheme of things and the main thing is that it doesnt take away from the experience of the watch at all. I'm so happy that they chose yellow for the gmt hand the effect would not have been the same with an orange hand for sure. And we're on the same page about trying the tfit clasp on the BB58! I'll be keeping everyone posted on that end😁
I am in love. To me it is literally a perfect watch, with the upgraded clasp and the non-aluminum bezel. And it isn't that thick, really. Probably 2mm are from the domed crystal itself. So...a 12.something mm case isn't thick - it's just a common size. Most divers are around 13. It wears super good, really.
Agreed! I absolutely love my BB Pro and teh thickness was pretty much a non issue from the start. The midcase isnt that thick compared to other tudors so it all works out in the end. It also helps that its such a comfortable watch!
Good presentation, lovely piece. However when doing the comparison and they are quite similar, one needs to keep in mind that the Seiko is $1k watch compared to an almost $4k watch 🙃
Thank you so much I'm glad you enjoyed it! lol yeah when i mentioned the comfort of the two watches i brought up the price difference bc its a big deal for sure! Although the comparison here was mostly in terms of dimensions and how big they wear😁
Yeah it would have been awesome if it was thinner but on the wrist its barely been an issue which I'm so thankful for. Its one of the most comfortable watches I've owned!
Great review like always! I do think the mind is playing tricks, no way this wears thinner than the spb143 lol I do think watches can hide thickness better than others. Example the marinmaster 300 and its curves hides much better than the slab case of this bb. Great looking watch regardless. Cheers. PS: I coulve fit a 52mm Invicta under that cuff :)
Thanks man glad you enjoyed it! I actually said it wears smaller than the SPB143, not thinner bc the SPB143 being seiko, handles the thickness very well. however the super bloated bracelet on it and the visually (from the top) chunky watch head make it wear visually much larger than the BB Pro which has the visual wrist presence of a BB58 thats gained a little weight lol. Yeah I love my MM300 for that reason, it wears smaller than my Pelagos despite it being bigger! lol oh yeah i totally used one of my many 52mm+ invictas to get that shirt cuff tailored just right for formal wear😂
Yeah its such a good looking watch the yellow gmt hand really sets it off for me! So glad that it doesnt wear anywhere near as thick as what I was expecting before😁
@@thewatchidiot I defiantly saw a channel where the chap measured one and it was 13.2 unless the you include the logo on the back that sticks out in the centre of the case back at which point it went to 13.7.
The 12 o'clock triangle needs to be longer, the indices need to be bolder and square-shaped, and the date window needs to either be framed or magnified. Otherwise, it's pretty nice.
Thanks for the video, I have to say I was worried if it would fit under my shirt.. but is the watch too heavy? Having the t fit clasp looks like a huge benefit.
Sure thing glad I could help a bit! In terms of weight its just a very solid feeling watch it doesnt feel unnecessarily heavy at all, its one of the most comfortable watches I've ever owned! The clasp is unbelievably helpful to have, I use it quite often!
yeah it would be great if they reduced the slab sides and sculpt the sides a bit more but while they're here the polished surface actually helps make the slab sides less apparent on the wrist!
The watch by no means looks ridiculously thick, I agree with that. But I'm not sure how good the watch looks an a much smaller wrist than yours. The SPB 143 certainly hides its thickness better with its more curvaceous midcase.
Yeah I agree, I'm not sure how it'll look and feel on a smaller wrist although I still think that it'll be ok albeit it will look thicker. I have a friend with a small wrist I'll definitely have him wear it to see how it is! Yeah Seiko are the masters of hiding the thickness on watches! I never would have thought a 44m MM300 would wear as comfortably as it does lol. I wish Tudor moved away from throwing on slab sides on every watch
I got to try it on in person at my AD a few days after the release and with a 6.5in wrist and a more circular wrist than flat, the thickness made the Tudor BB Pro looked ridiculous. I did have the SPB143 for almost a year and that looked completely fine on my wrist. Also I do have a BB58 Navy that fits my wrist really well.
I agree with all. It is a beautiful watch. I have a 7.5” wrist also, but the BB Pro looked like a hockey puck on my wrist. It may be because my wrist is broad and flat, so shape of the wrist may be a factor also. I tried it on the hybrid strap and, while it was comfortable, it just looked distinctly odd. Maybe the bracelet softens the look? I am not adverse to thicker watches… my favourite watch is the Squale Galeazzi, a 500m diver which is 16mm thick. I think the difference is that the Squale is 42mm in diameter and just suits the shape of my wrist.
@@thewatchidiot amazing piece, seeing videos of it doesn’t do it justice. I measured my wrist here and it’s 6.5 inch, and the watch looks great and not too thick
Thanks! Yeah the waiting game is a weird one for sure although with tudor it often happens that some ADs get their first watches much later than other ADs and sometimes they'll get the non bracelet versions first which might not be wanted by those waiting. In the end theres no way to know what really goes on!
What do you say at the start of your vids? 🤪 Coo poo boo Youtoobe? I personally find the thickness of this to be far, far too thick. The slab-sided-ness and general thickness are a no go for me. However, I’m a 36-40mm kinda guy, and my thickest watch is a 14060. Shame as I love the aesthetics of this pro! Great vid 🙂
lol i say good people of youtube! I havent heard of it as coo poo boo youtube before lol! Its not the thinnest watch out there but if you're loving the look of it you should definitely try it on before dismissing it bc for many people it ended up being very wearable once they wore it!
@@thewatchidiot Haha I knew it’d be logical but I just couldn’t make it out 🙂 I’ll add it to my pile of song lyrics I get wrong. I did try it on 🙂 It’s like the chrono for me; just too slabby.
Loooool all is well but ah ok yeah the Chrono was definitely slabby for me too but the fact that the BB Pro has a smaller overall footprint with the 20mm bracelet made it work for me. Hopefully they reduce the thickness soon so that you can get it! I'd probably swap mine as well😂
Congrats. Unfortunately, I couldn’t take the thickness. Sorry to say but I’m predicting you’ll be making an entirely different video 6 months from considering you’ve spent nearly the full 13 minutes finding ways to justify its thickness. I’m a Tudor fanboy and still own two but they drive me crazy by incorporating things that collectors despise such as thickness, riveted bracelet, and fauxtina just so it doesn’t directly compete with Rolex. Tudor is still a luxury watch and if micro brands can deliver a sub 13mm GMT so should a luxury watch company like Tudor.
lol my first reaction video was me trying to justify or at least cope with the news of it being 14.6mm. This video was me giving everyone the numbers, showing footage of it on the wrist/comparing it to other watches to give more context, and talking about why the thickness is no longer an issue, for me at least, now that I actually own it. I might change my opinion on other things like the fauxtina and the riveted bracelet, but considering the watch is already amongst the most comfortable watches I've owned, i dont think I'll be changing my mind on the ergonomics any time soon😂. But in the end we never know what the future holds! But yeah, as much as I love Tudor, they definitely should have made a thinner gmt movement for this watch considering they've had 4 years since the original BB41 GMT. I hope they're working on one as we speak lol
You're dancing all around it. We all know the BB GMT Pepsi is a little thick for 41mm, and this BB Pro is also a little thick but for the smaller wrist, the Pro is the BB58 GMT alternative you all wanted! Unfortunately Tudor is not going to give you a 39mm thin GMT...that's offered as a Rolex in a thinner much more expensive movement! Get it? I haven't had anyone stop me on the street, give me a dirty look, and curse me out yet for wearing a slightly "thick" watch.
I like your video. However, I just can't get over those rivets on the side of the new Tudor bracelets. There's no functionality for it. So that's basically why it's a no to me.
I'm probably in the minority - but I'm not a fan of the watch, nor am I a fan of Tudor's releases this year. They have not paid any love to the BB 41 or the Pelly. I wish Tudor would move away from such an overfocus on the nostalgia plays
Yeah my first tudor was the Pelagos and it's my favorite watch, (although the BB Pro has jumped to the second spot)! But I'm definitely disappointed that year after year the Pelagos is neglected especially when the logical updates would be pretty easy to implement. Hopefully they do it soon!
loooool yes thats a valid number to get a watch dismissed😂 the BB Pro is pricey but I'm glad they packed in a lot of quality (which is easy to do with given case thickness lol)
This watch is too thick and it did not need to be that thick. If you wear your watch tight then it will hide the bottom case cover but for the people who wear a bit loose no matter the wrist size, this watch will look tall or thick. it is that simple. Tudor shot themselves by doing this. I am sure it will be a good seller at first but I do not think the sales will be sustain.
Totally agree, like i mentioned in the video, Tudor definitely should have developed a thinner gmt movement for BB58 sized watches! But i wear watches with bracelets quite loose and on the BB Pro the case back sinks into the wrist like any other watch bc the caseback thickness is pretty average. For me at least, the watch feels like a normal watch that happens to look a bit thick😁
Feels like your trying to convince yourself about the watch and not the audience. It’s not so much the thickness it’s the slab side. It lacks any sort of refinement. Makes it look cheap - which is never good, especially when it’s already an ‘affordable’ Rolex homage. All in all your Steinhart was better.
lol my first reaction video was me trying to justify or at least cope with the news of it being 14.6mm. This video was me giving everyone the numbers, showing footage of it on the wrist/comparing it to other watches to give more context, and talking about why the thickness is no longer an issue, for me at least, now that I actually own it. if anything i had to refrain from using too many superlatives in this video bc i wanted to wait to confirm my feelings over a longer period of time! I think this watch might have broken into my keeper collection bc of the look and how insanely comfortable it is! The steinhart is a great watch for sure! I love the wild and bizarre 1655 dial on it however, the BB Pro offers quite a different look and feel bc of the super subdued dial so they both make me really happy in different ways.
Honestly this is not by any means a good purchase. It's a shame that despite every resource available, Tudor refuses to update their tech to 21st century standards of solar quartz accuracy. It's unfortunate that these brands are on the embarrassing end of engineering. Sorry you made this mistake, I'm rooting for your better judgement for further purchases.
A lot of you guys asked if the TFIT clasp can work on the BB58. The answer is here: th-cam.com/video/IRS2zcljBKI/w-d-xo.html Tudor did some trickery to make it as hard as possible
I have the BB58 39mm and use it with the Tudor leather strap now. My AD called to let me know she has a Pro with my name on it but it's with the leather strap. My question is since I have the BB58 20mm stainless strap sized and sitting around would I be able to fit it onto the Pro? Much obliged and very detailed here, loved the close up and comparisons, kudos
Thanks man glad you enjoyed it! And that's exciting to hear that you got the call however the BB58 bracelet won't work on the BB Pro unfortunately. It comes down to the endlinks being different due to the different midcase dimensions on the two watches. The only other option would be to order a bracelet separately but I hear those are going for about $800 or so. I guess it depends on how badly you want the bracelet? I think it would still be worthwhile to try on the BB Pro on the strap tho!
@@MrHero1976 I now switched to tropic straps and really like it. Wear a lot lighter. Maybe get it with this hybrid straps then have them order bracelet for you.
Hmmm I’m generally not a fan of fauxtina but the subtle cream color on this one works really well imo. They didn’t overdo it.
I was very skeptical about the thickness of the BB Pro, yeah I tried it on at the AD and the thickness is no issue. Thinnest 14.6 I ever saw and I'm so glad I was wrong. Very much thinking about upgrading my BB36 silver dial to it, or maybe the black/ gilt 58. Hard choices, we should all be so lucky. PS I have a 6.25" wrist and I *HATE* thick watches so if I can pull this off literally anyone can.
Awesome to hear that the BB Pro worked for you as well as it did! I barely even notice that there was ever a thickness issue since its just so comfortable lol! And its very telling that you're coming from wearing a very svelte 36mm BB but you're still thinking that the BBPro works fine. Obviously tastes differ but I'm happy to hear that its not impossible for smaller wrists!
I also have a similar sized wrist and with the bracelet adjusted to size, it actually articulates slightly better than the BB58, tho both are are absolutely fine. The clasp is also exceptional with the Tfit.
As an owner I totally agree.
Refreshing to hear an honest opinion rather than a regurgitated one found on all the articles. Has to also be said, most of these guys have 6.5” wrists!
I picked this up 2 weeks ago on bracelet - thickness is not an issue for me at all. Wears in-between a 41 and a 58. My opinion is that people are overflowing the thickness without giving it a hands on try. The domed sapphire, slimmed mid case, and downward slanted bezel makes it feel slimmer that the standard 41. Factor in the 70hr power reserve, killer lume plots, fabulous color schemes/matching, anti-magmatism, cosc cert, adjustable bracelet, etc……it’s a real nice package!
Congrats on the pickup! And yeah I agree with every point you made! the amount of height the bezel and crystal take up really reduces the overall height quite a bit which I am so thankful for. Its a seriously good watch given that I'm ok with the thickness, theres pretty much nothing else to complain about!
It's a nice watch for sure, but it's ok to make a decision on the thickness without trying it. I can clearly see from this video that it is too thick for me, but I am happy for others who like it.
I had a BB GMT. At first, the thickness didn’t bug me. You are in the honeymoon. Over time, I realized it was less comfortable than every other watch I owned. Sold it after a year, it’s one of the most flipped watches for a reason. I think this one will be the same. At this price point there shouldn’t be a compromise, when Longines can do a true GMT at a cheaper price which isn’t thick, Tudor should too.
@r2l100 agreed - I like the design of this, just the flaws. I am going to check out the Zulu time when it arrives in town. It will be interesting to see how Swatch use that new movement, it’s an advantage for them.
Best release Tudor ever made. Spectacular piece
Yeah its definitely an awesome watch! I think this is a keeper for me!
Thank you for answering a lot of my wearability questions! Love this watch!
You've said exactly what I was thinking when the Pro was launched. And that is people should wait to try it on to make any kind of good commentary. I don't have issues with chunkier watches as long as it's not extreme and it fits the style of watch. So I knew this Pro would be a good bet for me. Thanks for the review and keep up the good work! I only have 20 people ahead of me on my AD's wait list. See you soon Black Bay Pro, maybe in 2023?
Yessss it totally ok to have strong feelings about any watch but in the end theres just no way of knowing what a watch will be like in real life even beyond the thickness of a watch. Happy to hear that you're pumped about the BB Pro and I'm excited for you to get it! Hopefully the day comes sooner than 2023!
Right on man! Congrats! Love the outside shots. Super fun watch, can't wait to see it with my own eyes. Looking forward to another review.
Thanks man I'm glad you enjoyed the video! Its a serious awesome watch and I'm loving the new "non diver" tudor experience I'm getting from it. I hope you get to see one in person soon, and when you do definitely let me know what you think of it!
Awesome review, sir. You continue to be the best and most relatable watch reviewer on TH-cam. Congrats on the new pickup and keep up the outstanding work.
Thank you so much man your support from the very early days has been awesome😁! I'm happy to hear that you enjoyed this video bc it was definitely a fun one to make! A lot more info to come from this gem!
Thanks for the great detailed breakdown, as always! I want to like this watch so much. As it is, with my slim lanky frame and wrists, my BB58 is already at the very limit of chunkiness I can pull off. Fully appreciate how all the new adopters of the Pro with chunkier wrists are saying it's not an issue, but unfortunately, it's a sad no-can-do for me. Enjoy the piece bro! Looks great on you! (Tudor: Please please please make a slimmer version next time. Meanwhile, it's still and only my 16570 for me.)
Sure thing, I'm glad you enjoyed all the details! Ah yeah if the BB58 is on the chunkier side for you then i'm not sure this will work for you bc while it doesnt wear much thicker than the BB58, it does in the end wear thicker. Unfortunately even the thin tudors will be chunky bc of their use of the slab sides.
Ah the 16570 is an absolute gem of a watch I have the 216570 but sold it bc it was too big and I'm hoping that rolex goes back to the size and proportions of the 16570! Or fingers crossed that Tudor will finally make a thinner gmt movement for a BB58 GMT!
@@thewatchidiot Amen brother! 🙏
Such a great review, I really appreciate how detailed all your videos are. I’d love to see a video of you putting the Pro bracelet on your 58 to see how the T Fit clasp helps with a better fit and looks. Assuming you can swap bracelets.
Thank you so much, I'm glad you enjoy all the details, its definitely fun getting into the weeds lol! Yeah I'll be trying that out very soon and if everything goes to plan a video will come too (maybe this weekend😁)
Nicely done! great closeups and shots! I have been enjoying mine on the rubber strap now going on 2 weeks and it has become my daily. Thanks for all the info on the bracelet as well. I had originally ordered it on the bracelet but could not wait... so now I am waiting on the bracelet. Hopefully, it'll get here sooner rather than later but since you and I have the same wrist size I can be more certain that ordering the bracelet is the smart move. But I will have to say the rubber strap (although I am on the last hole) is top-notch and I am glad I have it.
Thank yo so much, I'm happy to hear that you enjoyed those shots as they were fun to film! The rubber strap does look pretty cool and it looks like it can easily handle the watch as well. Yeah I'm glad you're getting the bracelet as well because it an awesome bracelet and the tfit clasp elevated the bracelet a huge amount.
So I'm really curious, how much did the bracelet cost? as far as I remember the new Speedmaster bracelet was $750 but it doesnt have a quick adjust clasp.
Well, no price as of yet. I asked my AD and they didn’t know but would inform me as soon as they know. I’m thinking somewhere in the 400-600 dollar range.
@@RobertBlanchard the bracelet is 850 usd and a 4-6 month wait. I also got it on rubber and ordered a bracelet from my ad.
Oh man that's a steep price but honestly given how awesome that clasp is and how great the experience is on the bracelet I think that it's still justifiable! Excited for you man!
@@thewatchidiot 850? Ouch… but at the end of the day worse case scenario… one should be able to get money back if it doesn’t work out (which I doubt cause that bracelet and clasps seem to be lifers. I’m actually going to be happy to have both!
Still haven’t taking it off😁
Thanks for the video! I think they did a fantastic job with this new model.
Sure thing man, glad you enjoyed it! Yeah they really did well with this one this has already jumped up as one of my favorite watches!
@@thewatchidiot That sounds great. Can't wait to get my hands on one. Still a little bit concern about the thickness but on your wrist it looks great.
I’m torn between this and the Pelagos . What to do ?
The pop of yellow really brings it together. As always I wish there was a no date version but if I was in the market for a GMT it'd definitely be on the list.
yessss the yellow gmt hand makes such a big difference in terms of the overall feel. if it was orange it just wouldnt have been the same. I'd be down for a date free version as well mainly to make it thinner.
I own this watch too, and when it comes to the date… Yes I’d prefer it at the 6 o’clock. Would be cool if the datewheel was lumed too!
@@pablow26 6 o'clock is the only place I like a date wheel.
@@thebrownhat1 Agreed, tbh I don't understand why 3 'o clock is the standard. The only difference in manufacturing is literally drill a hole at 6 instead of 3. Much more symmetrical look.
I have been wearing this watch for about one week now and I can assure this watch is just awesome The thickness is a non issue . Highly recommend that you go try this on is available . This watch is a keeper very satisfied
Yeah i totally agree, its one of the most comfortable watches i've owned so that alongside the look is going to make this a keeper!
Thanks for this, I love your reviews and this is certainly a contender for my first Tudor. It’s between this and the grey Black Bay Bronze.
Thank you so much for the support and I'm glad to hear that you're enjoying the videos! Both watches are awesome so Either Tudor would make for an awesome first tudor so I guess it comes down to if you want the bracelet or not! Let me know which one you decide to buy!
thanks for the interesting review! I'm wondering about the different crown positions and if it has a quick date adjustment. could you please help me out with this?
I really hope that in the next year or two they make a polar BB Pro. That might push me over the edge to get one as it does look like a hell of a watch
its an awesome watch so if they do a polar version i would be tempted to sell mine to get it!
It all depends on wrist size. I thought the Oris 65 Diver was going to be my one watch, but it was actually too thin for my 7.25in wrist. This is why I considered, and ended up getting the BB58. I knew the thicker case would look better. Looks like the BB Pro would suit those with a pretty big wrist size.
Yeah wrist size will definitely play a big role and actually wrist shape could be a factor as well here. Yeah the BB58 does wear quite a bit thicker than the Oris Divers 65, I tend to go for smaller watches so for me, I'm glad that the 40mm size and big dial was mitigated by the very thin looking case. But yeah anyone with a larger wrist will be able to wear the BB Pro without any issues
39mm seems too small for this beauty. I just picked up the 41mm rootbeer and it wears like a 40-41mm. How the pro wear relative to size?
Why didn’t they give it a rotating bezel? I have a GMT with a bezel that rotates. It was amazing fun to travel with it, track my hone time zone and still be able to time things like a parking meter. Sure, there is a bit of math (every even number is five minutes) but it works. Just wondering why not add the functionality of a rotating bezel. Thanks.
hands down the best option in the price range, love mine
I’ve just got my Blackbay Pro. On the clasp the locking mechanism for the slide adjustment is the wide thin grooves. But it also has a row of small holes. From the look of it these don’t actually do anything. What are your thoughts?
Great review!
Have you tried putting that BB Pro bracelet on the BB58? Would like to see if it fits. I would love that T-Fit bracelet on my BB58.
Thank you so much! I havent tried it out yet but I definitely will be and I'll make a video on it (i'm hoping this sunday😁)
Could you please do a video regarding the lume and it’s longevity?
Yeah I'll include more info on that in my full BB Pro review video! the Lume looks great tho!
Man i have this watch in mind since they released it congrats looks awsome….whats ur wrist size?
Love the channel. Love the watch. Love the car!
Does the endlinks at the lugs rattles like your BB58 that you have to use double sided tape?
lol the BB58 one was not great but here its maybe not as solid as I would have expected it to be but its pretty much solid though so I'm really thankful for that
Can that clasp and micro adjustment be fitted on the BB58 bracelet? Better yet, is that bracelet identical to the BB58 with the exception of the clasp and micro adjustment?
I had those exact same questions and here's my video answering every one of your questions lol (live at 10am)! Short answer is no but not the way i would have expected. th-cam.com/video/IRS2zcljBKI/w-d-xo.html
One very important question: Can the T-fit clasp fit the BB58 bracelet?
I'll be trying that out very soon, so stay tuned to the channel!
I would love to know this too!
I just got one a couple days ago. Agreed with most of what you say. I really believe the t fit clasp help with how it fits and stays on my wrist. Of course if it is 20 grams lighter and 2 or 3 millimeters thinner it’ll be perfect. This is $4K watch and people have to stop comparing it to a Rolex whatever that cost 2-3 times more.
Yeah it would have been damn near perfect if it was thinner and lighter but even without that its one of the most comfortable watches i've owned! Yeah it doesnt make sense to directly compare it to a rolex especially since this is 39.5mm vs 42mm. if someone wants a small explorer II they have to go for the BB Pro!
I was able to try both the GMT pro and GMT S&G at the AD and preferred the same thickness from the pro on a bigger case because it felt more proportional, so I bought the S&G GMT root beer on the nato strap and I love it. Also own a BB blue and I did notice that the lume on the snowflake hands have more of a cream color and doesn’t match perfectly with the white on the indices. It’s hard to see it at first but under the right lighting it is noticeable.
Nice congrats on the new watch! I can see how the BB41 GMT can work better for some wrists for sure however for me after owning one for a month it was just too heavy for me. They do look great tho and they got the colors right with your SG!
I'm curious if the bracelet from the pro can fit the standard bb58? if yes, is it possible to buy the bracelet with the AD for the standard bb58?
I had the same question! Answer is here (at 10am): th-cam.com/video/IRS2zcljBKI/w-d-xo.html Short answer is no but not the way I would have expected it. Also its technically possible to order the bracelet from an AD but unfortunately only for the BB Pro
We have the same watch and same car although mine has an mx5 badge. I’ve had my pro for about a month and I got it on the rubber, I originally thought it was too thick but I decided to go and try it on and I’m so glad I did, I think mine wears even thinner than yours as I wear it a bit tighter, I can’t stand it when my watch move’s (complete opposite to you). I think it looks better on the rubber but people keep posting things with it on the bracelet and I’m really tempted as that also looks superb. I would still be worried that if I set it to 169mm when my wrist expands to 175 I may be out of adjustment.
I don’t think it’s fair to call it faux patina, I love the colour and the warmth it adds and in no way does it suggest it’s trying to look old.I think it’s a genuine design choice, it might have looked too stark if it was bright white but I may wrong.
Mine also seems to be pretty accurate, about -0.3 seconds a day so I’m happy.
I think the biggest negatives for me are no micro adjustment on the rubber strap and I find the gmt hand makes reading the time a bit more difficult, instead of a quick glimpse to read the time I have to actually look at the watch which is no bad thing.
Thats awesome man! Great to here from a fellow BB Pro and MX-5 owner😁 Glad to hear that its working well for you on the rubber and yeah you should definitely try out the bracelet because its a seriously good one! The tfit clasp made it work bc i can adjust it depending on my wrist and the most I've ever had to move it is two slots so i think you should be ok in terms of adjustment as theres a total of 8 slots
I'm curious about trying on the rubber strap tho bc i love the look of it and it looks really comfortable too!
@@thewatchidiot the rubber strap is lovely but a real nightmare to change out, I had to use normal springbars to reinstall after playing with some NATOs and removing it in the first place was tough. It’s comfortable now, it did take a few days wear to get it to conform to my wrist and the deployment clasp is lovely to use.
Ah yeah that makes sense, I wish everyone already switched to quick change spring bars already!! I'll switch mine onto some natos to see what it's like, at first I was worried about it feeling top heavy but now I don't think it'll be a problem other than on super thin person straps maybe
Question….. can the pro bracelet fit on the BB58 end links???
I had the same question! Answer is here (at 10am): th-cam.com/video/IRS2zcljBKI/w-d-xo.html Short answer is no but not the way I would have expected it
Well done on your watch review 😎⌚👍.
I would say that the thickness profile is comparable to Rolex Milgauss that I wear while the wearing appearance is akin to Explorer II 40mm black dial with added thickness. I think I would consider this over the BB58 Blue, though I could be wrong.
Mother's Day Greetings. 😎⌚👍
Thanks I'm glad you enjoyed the video! Thats actually a good way of putting it, the last time I wore a modern milgauss was a few months ago but i can totally get what you mean. Yeah i think this can easily be considered alongside the BB58 bc while it is thicker its very manageable. Mother's day greeting to you too!
Great detailed review! Thank you. May I ask your wrist size?
Thanks I'm glad you enjoyed it! my wrist is 7.5 inches👍
@@thewatchidiot
I didn’t just enjoy it, in the end you convinced me to get it. I have a 7 1/2 inch wrist as well, and without any availability in my area, i didn’t think I would be able to wear a 39mm watch. I found one at an AD by a project I’m working on. Your opinions are spot on, and the wrist shots at all angles convinced me I could pull it off before I got serious to looking. Great reviews, you are really good!
Fantastic review!!!!
Thanks glad you enjoyed it!!
Congrats on the watch
Would be great if you compare the Tudor BlackBay Pro and Steinhart Ocean 39 Vintage GMT OlKO edition side by side
Thank you so much! Yeah I'm definitely planning on doing that at some point because it would be a really interesting video for sure! Similar yet so different!
Does the T-Fit clasp fit the bracelet of the BB58?
I havent tried it out yet but If it works I'll be putting out a video!
Great looking watch and loaded features. Only complaint is the thickness.
Can you please do weight comparison between the Tudor BB GMT and the Black Bay Pro? I know the weight is subjective to how many links are on but if you have both sized for the same wrist, then they should be comparable in weight difference ratio. I have the Tudor BB GMT but I find it top heavy. I hope the black Bay Pro weigh less. Thanks
Excellent review of a very nice watch. It looks thick and chunky compared to the BB58. Is it as chunky as the Tudor Pepsi GMT? I tried a Pepsi on at the AD the other day and it was too tall for my tastes.
Thank you so much, I'm glad you enjoyed it! compared to a BB58 it does look thicker but in terms of on the wrist feel it doesnt wear as thick as I was expecting it to.
I actually owned a BB41 GMT when it first came out and as much as I liked the idea of it, i ended up returning it after a month. It was just too big in every way, 41mm width + 50mm lug to lug + a very stout 22mm lug width stance and bracelet + the weight of all the extra metal came together to make the watch way too chunky and heavy for me.
The BB Pro on the other hand just wears like a BB58 that gained a little extra weight lol. Its seriously one of the most comfortable watches I've owned so if you like the watch definitely try it on!
@@thewatchidiot I will definitely try one on next time my AD has one. Very nice watch.
Does the new clasp fit on the BB58?
I had the same question! Answer is here (at 10am): th-cam.com/video/IRS2zcljBKI/w-d-xo.html Short answer is no but not the way I would have expected it
Awesome video!
Thanks glad you enjoyed it!
Lol'd at bane😂 thanks for the detailed look at how it wears, it's definitely something that I've been thinking about and I appreciate all the nuances you get into.
It now really doesn't look like the thickness is an issue other than it maybe "looking" a bit thicker than other watches which is great because it's a great watch. Still hoping for a thinner GMT movement eventually but tudor still did great with this one
Thanks Ed, glad you enjoyed all the details, I could have talked about it for hours more lol! Yeah exactly, right now the only time i think about the thickness is if i happen to see it at a certain angle for a second and then it disappears just as quick. Yeah I'm really hoping that Tudor is working on a thinner gmt movement right now bc I'm still hoping for a BB58 GMT as much as I love this one!
I've just discovered your channel, and I really like this review. My instinct on seeing this watch for the first time was I WANT ONE! The trouble is I already have a BB58 black and a Q series GMT. Mmm... Regarding the accuracy, my GMT is at least as good as yours. I haven't adjusted the time (as opposed to the date or time zone) since October 2021. That's nearly 7 months, and it's running about 30 seconds fast. It's uncanny... Regarding the size of the GMT (and by extension the Pro), it's marginally thicker (by about 0.5-1mm) than the Presage Sharp Edge GMT and the Longines Spirit Zulu Time GMT, yet nobody complains about the thickness of these watches. The Tudor watches give 200m water resistance, so that will add thickness, especially with the MT5652 ticking away inside. I have no problem sliding the GMT under any shirt cuff. The weight is pretty much inevitable with a complex movement that's built for work. I like the lume colour of the Pro. It adds warmth to the dial, which is good in cloudy, drizzly England. The same goes for the accents on the green bezel Zulu Time and the BB58 black. I feel that white/silver colour or blue work better in sunny conditions when the colour temperature lends itself better to these tones. So... how can I justify buying a Pro to my wife?
Congrats! hope to know if the caseback is that thick it doesn't allow the watch case to sit flush on the wrist. I saw the Pelagos with the MT movt had that issue.
Thanks! Oh yeah the caseback isnt unusually thick and feels like any other case back on other watches so it wears nice and flat on the wrist. The lugs also curve down nicely to give a close fit. The caseback on the pelagos is thicker although it doesnt float over my particular wrist but i can see how it can wear differently on different wrists tho. So far the BB Pro is the 2nd most comfortable watch i've owned after the 42mm Explorer II
@@thewatchidiot thanks for the reply! Much appreciated! Tudor really pulled off for this one 😀
This watch is awesome love it . Very comfortable , it get a lot of wrist time .
Epic purchase. Congratulations.
Thank you so much!! I'm glad the thickness didnt ruin the experience!
Great video! Makes me want to try it on now since I discounted it before due to its thickness. I have a small 16 cm wrist. Btw, you planning to sell your Ocean 39 vintage ? 😊
Thanks man glad you liked the video! Yeah definitely try it on, it might surprise you! I'm not entirely sure how it would wear on a 16cm wrist i think it will also depend on the shape of your wrist as well but I think i could work. I have a friend with a similar sized wrist so I'll have him try it on to get an idea of what its like on a smaller wrist.
As of right now, no plans to sell the steinhart! For me that gives me an entirely different wearing experience because of how unique that 1655 dial is. The BB Pro on the other hand wears much more like a modern day gmt. But it will also depend on how much wrist time the steinhart will get going forward.
Does the pro bracelet fit on the BB58?
I havent gotten around to trying that out yet but I will be very soon and initially i'm thinking it will work! I'll be keeping the channel posted
Give this the BB GMT's pepsi bezel and I am all over this thing! If I had a say in the dimensions i'd go for something more like the old Brosnan seamasters (41mm across and 12mm thick, wears like a damn dream on my 7 inch/18cm wrist), but given how large the base movement is it's not bad going. Especially given that 70hr power reserve.
Yeah a bezeled version would have been so good! Yeah if this was a bit thinner like the SMPs you're talking about it would have been damn near perfect but yeah I agree considering what its offering its not too bad! Either way this is one of the most comfortable watches I've ever owned so thickness is a non issue for me😁
Great review! Curious how this compares for you in wearing experience to the BB GMT Pepsi? I really like the look of the Pepsi and feel like my wrist can handle it given I wore a Seamaster Planet Ocean 42mm for 10 years. That watch was a bit of thick, heavy beast but I would think the Tudor would be less so?
Thanks man! yeah if you're ok with the 42mm planet ocean then the tudor pepsi gmt should be more than ok with you although the bracelet is wider at 22mm so it might visually have more wrist presence even tho it would feel smaller than than the Planet ocean.
For me honestly a big problem with the BB Pepsi gmt was the 22mm bracelet that made the watch look big. I have worn the 42mm Planet Ocean before and while it was really thick, to my eyes it looked more proportionate because of the 20mm bracelet. Not sure how you feel about 22mm vs 20mm bracelets
@@thewatchidiot great points and reply, sir! I have actually never tried a watch on a 22mm bracelet so that is something I would need to pay attention to for sure!
Speaking of Tudor what are your thoughts on the AD games played by their older brother Rolex? I’m after a black sub right now but have no purchase history, I’m debating building a relationship with my AD or going gray
Oh man this could be a whole video lol! But the games bad ADs play are awful when they basically extort you by saying that if you buy xy and z watches then you can get on the waitlist or when they basically sell everything to the grey market or only their absolute top clients.
But for normal ADs, I'm more understanding of their situation since they only get a very small number of watches and there are many people who want those few watches. So in the end they have to keep their current clients happy and do their best not to sell to flippers. It doesnt make the situation feel better but at least its understandable.
So I'd say try to find a sales associate or manager preferably who just like to talk about watches. If they see that you're just a watch guy, and that you wont run off and flip the watch, it is possible that you can get a submariner in a few months! Its more work than going for the grey market but its worth it in the long run
Congrats on the watch, it's epic!
Looks like you've opted to sell the silver one, right?
What are your thoughts on a pro, pelagos and bb58 in a single collection? I have a black 58, pelagos lhd and a blue bb41. Tempted to buy a pro but it seems to be too much for a single collection..
How do you feel about your steinhart video now that you got the bb pro? Which do you like better?
As much as I thought that they would step on each other's toes, they are actually quite different! (well as different as 2 explorer II's can be lol) The 1655 freccione look and feel is unlike any other watch and thats what I get from the steinhart whereas the BB Pro is more of a 16570 homage and it gives me the look and feel of a modern steel bezeled gmt. We'll have to see how the wrist time is split once the BB Pro honeymoon ends!
I picked mine up today! It’s just fire!
🔥🔸🔥
Nice. Can’t agree on the faux patina etc though. I’m fully onboard with the more vintage vibe of these Tudors
Thanks! although I'd prefer no fauxtina, i gotta say the fauxtina does work nicely in the end so maybe I'll come around to it!
Question for you. Is the dial width total the same as crystal size or aperture? For example, the Rolex Explorer 36mm has an aperture or sapphire crystal size of roughly 30mm. This is not very different from even the Rolex Submariner, so to me the dial size, aperture, crystal size are important factors, just like lug-to-lug. :)
Thanks for the video.
yeah the dial width measurement i listed in the dimensions (32.5mm or something) is the width of the crystal! the bb58 dial width is just under 31mm as far as I remember and Yeah this measurement makes a huge difference when it comes to getting an idea of how big a watch will look on the wrist for sure!
Did I miss you mentioning your wrist size? I have a 7.5" 19CM wrist and waiting to try this in person, but it looks good on your wrist.
Lol yeah my bad i should have my wrist size appear for longer on screen! I've got a 7.5 inch wrist as well so it should look great on your wrist too!
@@thewatchidiot dang? I watched again and saw it. I wish everyone posted their wrist size. Looks so good!!! Think it’ll be a keeper for you?
Hey TWI, the BB Pro looks normal on your 7.5 inch wrist. I was at my AD yesterday and tried the BB 58 on a leather strap and Nato. The 39mm just looked small on my 7.25 inch wrist. How does this wear compared to the BB 58? Maybe the bracelet makes it look bigger 🤔
Ah ok, it makes sense that the BB58 felt a bit thick on a nato, the slab sided midcase
is accentuated by the thinness of the nato and a bit by the leather strap. It wears much better when its on a bracelet for sure! Compared to the BB58, the BB Pro does wear a bit thicker but its very well managed because the midcase isnt much thicker, so it really doesnt feel as thick as everyone continuously says. Its honestly one of the most comfortable watches I've ever owned!
Nice one TWI! Your views closely mirror my own after over a month of ownership. Far too much emphasis is on the numbers, height, lug to lug on so many different watches with opinions made and shared without even seeing one. I'm OK with the slight faux aged lume as I think it matches closer with the yellow GMT hand. I also have the LHD Pelagos and BB58 black dial that both have the slight aged lume. Now if it had an orange GMT hand I doubt it would work as well as white. Oh and wile I'm on a roll the lume performance of those little slices of cheese it really is great. I look forward to the updates on your experience, for sure mine is a keeper. Now to see if I can get a bracelet with the brilliant T Fit clasp for my BB58....
Thanks as always Anthony! Glad to hear that we're on the same page with this one! I really think this is an example of how plain numbers can paint a different picture bc as much as i knew that the watch would be ok i was worried about the thickness right up until i wore it for the first time. And since then its been probably the most comfortable watch I've owned maybe just short of my 42mm explorer II. I think this will end up as a keeper as well.
Ah yeah, your tudors all have creamy lume! this is my first with it but its is hardly a big deal in the grand scheme of things and the main thing is that it doesnt take away from the experience of the watch at all. I'm so happy that they chose yellow for the gmt hand the effect would not have been the same with an orange hand for sure. And we're on the same page about trying the tfit clasp on the BB58! I'll be keeping everyone posted on that end😁
I am in love. To me it is literally a perfect watch, with the upgraded clasp and the non-aluminum bezel. And it isn't that thick, really. Probably 2mm are from the domed crystal itself. So...a 12.something mm case isn't thick - it's just a common size. Most divers are around 13. It wears super good, really.
Agreed! I absolutely love my BB Pro and teh thickness was pretty much a non issue from the start. The midcase isnt that thick compared to other tudors so it all works out in the end. It also helps that its such a comfortable watch!
What’s your wrist size ?
Good presentation, lovely piece.
However when doing the comparison and they are quite similar, one needs to keep in mind that the Seiko is $1k watch compared to an almost $4k watch 🙃
Thank you so much I'm glad you enjoyed it! lol yeah when i mentioned the comfort of the two watches i brought up the price difference bc its a big deal for sure! Although the comparison here was mostly in terms of dimensions and how big they wear😁
Don't love the size but man it looks so good on the wrist.
Yeah it would have been awesome if it was thinner but on the wrist its barely been an issue which I'm so thankful for. Its one of the most comfortable watches I've owned!
What is your wrist size in inches?
7.5 inches!
Great review like always! I do think the mind is playing tricks, no way this wears thinner than the spb143 lol I do think watches can hide thickness better than others. Example the marinmaster 300 and its curves hides much better than the slab case of this bb. Great looking watch regardless. Cheers.
PS: I coulve fit a 52mm Invicta under that cuff :)
Thanks man glad you enjoyed it! I actually said it wears smaller than the SPB143, not thinner bc the SPB143 being seiko, handles the thickness very well. however the super bloated bracelet on it and the visually (from the top) chunky watch head make it wear visually much larger than the BB Pro which has the visual wrist presence of a BB58 thats gained a little weight lol. Yeah I love my MM300 for that reason, it wears smaller than my Pelagos despite it being bigger! lol oh yeah i totally used one of my many 52mm+ invictas to get that shirt cuff tailored just right for formal wear😂
I can appreciate the pro I think it looks great.
Yeah its such a good looking watch the yellow gmt hand really sets it off for me! So glad that it doesnt wear anywhere near as thick as what I was expecting before😁
That's a great watch and wrist is not problem 💪💪
Thanks so much! its a seriously great piece and there are some people with smaller wrist who say it works with them too which is nice!
A solid watch🎉
The seiko is 13.2mm thick though. That’s the sticking point for many. Glad you are happy with it.
Seiko didnt include the height of the crystal unfortunately, with calipers it comes in at 13.9mm. Seiko handles the thickness really well though!
@@thewatchidiot I defiantly saw a channel where the chap measured one and it was 13.2 unless the you include the logo on the back that sticks out in the centre of the case back at which point it went to 13.7.
I have a 16570 ex2 and I still want this 😭
loooool i think they can coexist! as similar as they are, i still think they have different vibes due to the different gmt hands
The 12 o'clock triangle needs to be longer, the indices need to be bolder and square-shaped, and the date window needs to either be framed or magnified. Otherwise, it's pretty nice.
Thanks for the video, I have to say I was worried if it would fit under my shirt.. but is the watch too heavy? Having the t fit clasp looks like a huge benefit.
Sure thing glad I could help a bit! In terms of weight its just a very solid feeling watch it doesnt feel unnecessarily heavy at all, its one of the most comfortable watches I've ever owned! The clasp is unbelievably helpful to have, I use it quite often!
What is your wrist size?
7.5 inches!
Wish tudor would stop the polished slab side
yeah it would be great if they reduced the slab sides and sculpt the sides a bit more but while they're here the polished surface actually helps make the slab sides less apparent on the wrist!
The watch by no means looks ridiculously thick, I agree with that. But I'm not sure how good the watch looks an a much smaller wrist than yours. The SPB 143 certainly hides its thickness better with its more curvaceous midcase.
Yeah I agree, I'm not sure how it'll look and feel on a smaller wrist although I still think that it'll be ok albeit it will look thicker. I have a friend with a small wrist I'll definitely have him wear it to see how it is! Yeah Seiko are the masters of hiding the thickness on watches! I never would have thought a 44m MM300 would wear as comfortably as it does lol. I wish Tudor moved away from throwing on slab sides on every watch
I got to try it on in person at my AD a few days after the release and with a 6.5in wrist and a more circular wrist than flat, the thickness made the Tudor BB Pro looked ridiculous. I did have the SPB143 for almost a year and that looked completely fine on my wrist. Also I do have a BB58 Navy that fits my wrist really well.
I agree with all. It is a beautiful watch. I have a 7.5” wrist also, but the BB Pro looked like a hockey puck on my wrist. It may be because my wrist is broad and flat, so shape of the wrist may be a factor also. I tried it on the hybrid strap and, while it was comfortable, it just looked distinctly odd. Maybe the bracelet softens the look? I am not adverse to thicker watches… my favourite watch is the Squale Galeazzi, a 500m diver which is 16mm thick. I think the difference is that the Squale is 42mm in diameter and just suits the shape of my wrist.
Got the call from my AD an hour ago whoop whoop
Thats so exciting! have yo picked it up yet?? let me know what you think of it when you get it!
@@thewatchidiot amazing piece, seeing videos of it doesn’t do it justice. I measured my wrist here and it’s 6.5 inch, and the watch looks great and not too thick
Nice one, just don't get why some have it already and others have no news from ADs. This waiting game is funny..
Thanks! Yeah the waiting game is a weird one for sure although with tudor it often happens that some ADs get their first watches much later than other ADs and sometimes they'll get the non bracelet versions first which might not be wanted by those waiting. In the end theres no way to know what really goes on!
SPEEDY ROCKS THOW
The speedy is awesome no doubt!
0:07 "Sabiba" Cup.
not sure what sabiba cup is but I'm all for it lol!
@@thewatchidiot The brand I can read in your cup at 0:07 ;-).
What do you say at the start of your vids? 🤪 Coo poo boo Youtoobe?
I personally find the thickness of this to be far, far too thick. The slab-sided-ness and general thickness are a no go for me. However, I’m a 36-40mm kinda guy, and my thickest watch is a 14060.
Shame as I love the aesthetics of this pro!
Great vid 🙂
lol i say good people of youtube! I havent heard of it as coo poo boo youtube before lol! Its not the thinnest watch out there but if you're loving the look of it you should definitely try it on before dismissing it bc for many people it ended up being very wearable once they wore it!
@@thewatchidiot Haha I knew it’d be logical but I just couldn’t make it out 🙂 I’ll add it to my pile of song lyrics I get wrong.
I did try it on 🙂 It’s like the chrono for me; just too slabby.
Loooool all is well but ah ok yeah the Chrono was definitely slabby for me too but the fact that the BB Pro has a smaller overall footprint with the 20mm bracelet made it work for me. Hopefully they reduce the thickness soon so that you can get it! I'd probably swap mine as well😂
I would take the Grand Seiko evolution 9, SBGE283 over the Tudor
yeah gs did well with that one it looks incredible! Unfortunately its more than double the price of the BB Pro😬
The best thing? You don’t have to be afraid of someone robbing you at gunpoint for your watch.
loooool thats right unless they get it wrong and think that I've got an explorer II on 😂
It is nice, but a chore to wear. Heavy unbalanced and started to annoy me after 2 days. The Micro adjustment is good but had to sell it.
Holy crap, I've never seen anyone wear a watch bracelet so loose. How can you stand that thing jangling around all day?
Congrats. Unfortunately, I couldn’t take the thickness. Sorry to say but I’m predicting you’ll be making an entirely different video 6 months from considering you’ve spent nearly the full 13 minutes finding ways to justify its thickness. I’m a Tudor fanboy and still own two but they drive me crazy by incorporating things that collectors despise such as thickness, riveted bracelet, and fauxtina just so it doesn’t directly compete with Rolex. Tudor is still a luxury watch and if micro brands can deliver a sub 13mm GMT so should a luxury watch company like Tudor.
lol my first reaction video was me trying to justify or at least cope with the news of it being 14.6mm. This video was me giving everyone the numbers, showing footage of it on the wrist/comparing it to other watches to give more context, and talking about why the thickness is no longer an issue, for me at least, now that I actually own it.
I might change my opinion on other things like the fauxtina and the riveted bracelet, but considering the watch is already amongst the most comfortable watches I've owned, i dont think I'll be changing my mind on the ergonomics any time soon😂. But in the end we never know what the future holds!
But yeah, as much as I love Tudor, they definitely should have made a thinner gmt movement for this watch considering they've had 4 years since the original BB41 GMT. I hope they're working on one as we speak lol
@@thewatchidiot Love your content. Cheer and congrats!
You're dancing all around it. We all know the BB GMT Pepsi is a little thick for 41mm, and this BB Pro is also a little thick but for the smaller wrist, the Pro is the BB58 GMT alternative you all wanted! Unfortunately Tudor is not going to give you a 39mm thin GMT...that's offered as a Rolex in a thinner much more expensive movement! Get it?
I haven't had anyone stop me on the street, give me a dirty look, and curse me out yet for wearing a slightly "thick" watch.
I like your video. However, I just can't get over those rivets on the side of the new Tudor bracelets. There's no functionality for it. So that's basically why it's a no to me.
6:11 What a brick!!.
yeah the speedy is looking thicker than I remember😁
I'm probably in the minority - but I'm not a fan of the watch, nor am I a fan of Tudor's releases this year. They have not paid any love to the BB 41 or the Pelly. I wish Tudor would move away from such an overfocus on the nostalgia plays
Yeah my first tudor was the Pelagos and it's my favorite watch, (although the BB Pro has jumped to the second spot)! But I'm definitely disappointed that year after year the Pelagos is neglected especially when the logical updates would be pretty easy to implement. Hopefully they do it soon!
I can dismiss it for one number on a piece of paper - the price😕.
loooool yes thats a valid number to get a watch dismissed😂 the BB Pro is pricey but I'm glad they packed in a lot of quality (which is easy to do with given case thickness lol)
This watch is too thick and it did not need to be that thick. If you wear your watch tight then it will hide the bottom case cover but for the people who wear a bit loose no matter the wrist size, this watch will look tall or thick. it is that simple. Tudor shot themselves by doing this. I am sure it will be a good seller at first but I do not think the sales will be sustain.
Totally agree, like i mentioned in the video, Tudor definitely should have developed a thinner gmt movement for BB58 sized watches! But i wear watches with bracelets quite loose and on the BB Pro the case back sinks into the wrist like any other watch bc the caseback thickness is pretty average. For me at least, the watch feels like a normal watch that happens to look a bit thick😁
A beautiful watch but it looks to big. Not a dressy watch and definitely a sporty feel.
Yeah its a sporty watch for sure and it would have been better if it was thinner but other than that, its as small as a BB58!
Porsche?
lol no its my beloved miata! I wouldnt mind hearing a good ol flat six tho 😁
@@thewatchidiot Miatas are lovely too!
They really are I think mines going to be a keeper!
Feels like your trying to convince yourself about the watch and not the audience. It’s not so much the thickness it’s the slab side. It lacks any sort of refinement. Makes it look cheap - which is never good, especially when it’s already an ‘affordable’ Rolex homage. All in all your Steinhart was better.
lol my first reaction video was me trying to justify or at least cope with the news of it being 14.6mm. This video was me giving everyone the numbers, showing footage of it on the wrist/comparing it to other watches to give more context, and talking about why the thickness is no longer an issue, for me at least, now that I actually own it.
if anything i had to refrain from using too many superlatives in this video bc i wanted to wait to confirm my feelings over a longer period of time! I think this watch might have broken into my keeper collection bc of the look and how insanely comfortable it is!
The steinhart is a great watch for sure! I love the wild and bizarre 1655 dial on it however, the BB Pro offers quite a different look and feel bc of the super subdued dial so they both make me really happy in different ways.
you actualy look like him
ngl this was the first time i saw myself in the mask directly next to Bane and i surprised myself 😂
Honestly this is not by any means a good purchase. It's a shame that despite every resource available, Tudor refuses to update their tech to 21st century standards of solar quartz accuracy. It's unfortunate that these brands are on the embarrassing end of engineering. Sorry you made this mistake, I'm rooting for your better judgement for further purchases.