Thank the Lord for sharing this video. Most of us, wanting to serve the Lord full time, forgot one important missing gap. And that is, our beloved mom and dad can play a wonderful role (in wisdom, in presence, in clost prayer). The Lord places them within us, not without a purpose. And that is for HIS glory and honor. Amen.
Quite interesting. I was involved in a church some years ago that reduced down from and traditional church to meeting in homes and even prior to that other than our administrator, there was no paid staff or ministers. A young lady had a dental/oral situation and because we had no overhead and rents or salaries, we were able to pay a $16,000 medical bill for her and her family. So many good things come out of the home fellowship or church situation. I was the treasurer at one time of a church I was involved in and probably close to 90% of the money coming into the church went to sustain the organization and not to actual ministry. Thanks for sharing.
This is true across the board. Very little of the funds given to churches goes for actual ministry,meeting the needs of poor Christians, foreign mussions,etc.
House church is going to be the lifeline of believers in the coming times. Look up John Fenn he was given the task of forming a house church network. His network is called church without walls.
We work in Europe with house gatherings. Small apartments can't hold large groups so it means we multiply sooner. Our goal is to grow through evangelism.
I wish I could find something like this. I'm hurting bad and feel lost in mostly all churches. I have no family or friends or real relationships. I'm not sure how much longer I can hold on like this. I'll survive, but my fear is dying lonely and without truly experiencing fellowship with others who care for my soul or love me. My God help me.
Hey! I've been doing home gatherings with some of our family in Christ for about 3 years now and I absolutely love it! No more going to a building (called church) but instead living in complete fellowship with THE church in our homes as a family because we are one in Christ! If you're having trouble looking where to start, look up "Church Without Wall International" they are all about house church and living out The Word! John Finn is who started it and he does video teachings on how to get started with house church and He can help you find a good core group of people to do house church with!
I have connections to the house church network that Francis Chan started, and his ministry (crazy love) runs a training for people starting house churches. My pastor is actually the one in charge of that training. He has a spreadsheet of house churches all around the US that went through the training. If you comment back happy to connect you to him if you are looking for a church near you. Maybe he knows of one.
I think home churches are best, but if you are unable to find one, at least join one or more small groups at whatever church you attend. Don’t be alone- we all need connection.
I love the boldness of this story. The faith to respond to a call you believe you have from the Lord. I have also felt called to head in this direction. I do not see it relevant to watch this story and immediately try and point out what we believe is wrong with it. I can watch this with a heart that hears the Lords voice while still agreeing to disagree with the concepts mentioned on tithing. Whether you stand by the OT command to tithe or the NT call to give what you are called to the end result will remain the same if you are a child of God. I do not see anywhere mentioned that salvation is affected by whether or not you believe in the tithing principle.
Gathering in the home is the only way we can actually worship and serve and love each other as Jesus described... An organization run by salaried employees is the antithesis of the body of Christ (the church).
Wow, I am not sure I'd use such strong words, but you really touch on something incredibly significant- unity and service. Home churches foster unity and service is a way that is unlike other forms of gathering. And that is critical in the American/western church. This may spur me on to create a TH-cam video regarding my experience at wearchurch in San Francisco!
We are not under the law of Moses. Amen! Paul’s letter to the Galatians makes this very clear. Christ has made us free. As such, we are free not to tithe, and we are free to give cheerfully and generously and prayerfully.
No the bible does not say you're supposed to tithe. That's OT. The NT says to give what God has placed in your heart. I want to be involved in a home church but not if someone will still preach the same heresies that's in the larger churches.
Jesus says to Pharisees, you tithe mint etc but neglect justice.. and then he says you should do the second WITHOUT neglecting the former (Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices-mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law-justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.) Matt 23 23 I.e. justice mercy faithfulness are more important, BUT we should.also.NOT neglect tithing. This is Jesus' words in NT. We need to practice justice mercy faithfulness, AND tithe. With the first being more important, but second also being necessary.
This is why the Churches are failing, you're not supposed to give tithes to a "Church" but the poor. And also every christian is called to work 2 Thessalonians 3:6-18.
You need to read Malachi 3;10 the definition of church is the people not the building that people worship at. However, the church buildings has lights bill and air conditioners, and a mortgage to be pay every month. Who is going to pay it? The tithe money are used to pay the bills. And also send money to poor people in foreign countries and help the church families too.
@@bathsheba41 A house Church that meets on Sundays? Bud, you're right if the Church is a community building, or proper temple but not a private home. And we as new covenant Christians shouldn't tithe, you should give as much as you can (charity), we are not Old covenant Jews going to the Temple. So yes give, specially to the poor this is essential part of being a Christian like prayer is. But there are so many well to do "pastors" that abuse the good will of the Christian heart for personal gain and a worldly lifestyle. Beware of wolfs in sheep clothing.. Christi is risen!
Love hearing about your journey. Sounds similar to my own. I heard you mention Uganda. I’m getting ready to help several house churches with training there. Would love to connect. Praying blessings for you and your family.
Been down this road for the past 10 years. You will learn many lessons. It will take you at least 5 years to shed old ministry thinking. It’s like an onion. You will think you have come to the end of your old mindset but it takes a while. First change is to ditch the tithing references. Not biblical and not house church language.
If we decide to not go to a hospital because everyone there is sick or ill, will we ever get healed or cured of our diseases? If I decide not to go to a gym because everyone in the gym are fat or unhealthy, will I ever loose fat or get healthy? Matthew 9:10-12 - While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew's house, many tax collectors and "sinners" came and ate with him and his disciples. When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, "Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and `sinners'?" On hearing this, Jesus said, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. Is going to a Church good? is going to a Home Church good? both yes for some people. One is not better than the other if its not in God's will for that person. People come to church to CHANGE and TRANSFORM. A Church is a place filled with sick people. Let the mature ones feed and help the young ones and keep growing in Christ.
While I applaud those who start/do the Home Church, one has to remember it is not about the building. It is about Christ, through the Holy Spirit dwelling in you. Something to consider. That is when you Home Church you weaken your voice in the World. I don't mean calling people to Christ but changing the habits of the World.
I’m sorry to say where at. Now should. Be glorious time in Christ. The mega church. Or. Setting of one man ( pastor} doing all the work making disciple preaching gospel all nations Remember the veil was torn we can come speak to our father Show them the way brother. You are on track
The best part is that they can decide for themselves what the Bible says. If someone disagrees, they can go start their own house church! We don't need anyone telling us how to interpret scripture! One person with no training or education of any kind is perfectly capable of deciding all on their own what the Bible teaches. Yay for anarchy!
If you are not working (Why?) and everyone else is still supporting you, have you really left the old model? Every able-bodied man is supposed to work so he can give to support his family and be able to also give to help others. This is what everyone else in the house church is doing. I do not mean to be unkind but I am honestly curious.
I assume you are interested in an honest answer. So here it is. At the time of this video 2019, I was in transition from a paid salary job as a pastor in a traditional church to joining this new house church gathering in Austin intending to find a new way to provide income for my family. Within months, I chose to start a residential remodeling business. It allows me to engage with clients in the community, mentor other men in work and life and have the flexibility to build my own schedule/priorities in work. It was absolutely terrifying for the first few months. However God's favor was on it, and now in 2022 the business has become successful during the pandemic and booming growth of Austin. We have been able to host one of the 7 gatherings in our home, serve as shepherds, give to those in need, share Jesus weekly throughout all areas of life, and seek the Kingdom of God. By no means are we, or the house church perfect. It is not the only way. It's just about Jesus, following Him and sharing Him with those around us.
look it up in the new testament before you comment , I too have have slandered people before. We do NOT follow Jesus directly, we follow leaders. Leaders in the church have to spend time serving.- how are they going to feed their families?
I am bothered by the fact that this guy doesn't think he needs to get a regular job to support his family, as if that is beneath someone who used to have a paid ministry position. Instead, he seems to wait for people to donate to him. The apostle Paul had regular jobs at times like being a tentmaker.
There isn’t one in the Christian-Greek Scriptures. The Levitical tithe is not placed upon Christians. That is a tradition of men today. We are to give according to our heart’s desire. 2 Cor 9:7 states: “So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver.”
Why all the obsessing with tithing? Is it REALLY a make or break for churches or is the greater command to go out and spread the Gospel? If you don't want to tithe - don't. It's between you and God. If others want to tithe and believe that's their calling, let them be. This divisive rhetoric is why so many churches fall and so many lose faith. Rather than focusing on what makes us similar today's Pharisees harp on whether or not to tithe. Just stop already.
100% agree. Apart from strong opinion about tithing: in my experience those strongly opposed to it seldom give anything regularly or anytime. Doesn’t mean that such an opinion is wrong, but it’s interesting to have been in various ministries over 50yrs to allow the passage of time for the fruit of many opinions to be evident, tithing issue being one. Getting off centre about it and railing against it is completely out of order. If don’t think it’s right don’t do it.. and be peaceful about it. It’s not a make or break. Same as various end time eschatology. Don’t t fall out of fellowship over these things. Be busy about doing Kingdom stuff… c’mon. Witness, pray for one another. In my name heal the sick cleanse the leper etc etc… get active, not passive armchair critic.
this was very interesting until the man mentioned TITHING .... Tithing was a command under the Mosaic law to feed the Levites and Levitical priests who were given no land of their own ... there is NO Levitical priesthood under the new covenant. so ..... see ya .
New Covenant Whole Gospel: Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him. He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth. Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD: Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis? Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart. Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36) We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24. 1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us. Watch the TH-cam videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.
Jesus Christ organizes His church by four geographic designations. Worldwide Body of Christ Region City House Let's look first at the house church. ( all caps added by me for emphasis ) Romans 16:5 KJV Likewise greet the church that is in their HOUSE. Salute my wellbeloved Epaenetus, who is the firstfruits of Achaia unto Christ. 1 Corinthians 16:19 KJV The churches of Asia salute you. Aquila and Priscilla salute you much in the Lord, with the church that is in their HOUSE. Colossians 4:15 KJV Salute the brethren which are in Laodicea, and Nymphas, and the church which is in his HOUSE. Philemon 1:2 KJV And to our beloved Apphia, and Archippus our fellowsoldier, and to the church in thy HOUSE Churches by Region and City Revelation 1:10&11 By Region ...to the seven churches in Asia By City ... Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamos, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, Laodicea Jesus Christ organizes His church SOLELY BY GEOGRAPHY. Notice there is no "church of Paul" or "church of Peter". They don't even refer to house churches that way. It was "the church that is in their house". Not "their church". Yet we hear "my church" or "our church" all the time today. Whose church is it ? If it's ours, then it isn't the Lord's. Churches that identify themselves by a certain leader, sect, name, or denomination are promoting division. Division = Carnality 1 Corinthians 3:3-4 KJV For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? [4] For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal? Remember that Jesus Christ called His followers OUT of all sorts of sects and groups to follow HIM alone ! The only thing that should ever divide followers of Christ is the physical distance between them ! I believe that a true revival is coming, one that will return the true church to our roots.
It is biblical in NT to tithe. Jesus says to Pharisees, you tithe mint etc but neglect justice.. and then he says you should do the second WITHOUT neglecting the former (Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices-mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law-justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.) Matt 23 23 I.e. justice mercy faithfulness are more important, BUT we should.also.NOT neglect tithing. This is Jesus' words in NT. We need to practice justice mercy faithfulness, AND tithe. With the first being more important, but second also being necessary.
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God never intended His church to be led by one or a few persons. House churches are going to become the thing of the future.
The new testament does not tell us to tithe money to any church. Only offers. No tithing.
Thank the Lord for sharing this video. Most of us, wanting to serve the Lord full time, forgot one important missing gap. And that is, our beloved mom and dad can play a wonderful role (in wisdom, in presence, in clost prayer). The Lord places them within us, not without a purpose. And that is for HIS glory and honor. Amen.
The fruit that this guy is breaking up is a jackfruit and it tastes like juicy fruit gum. It's so good!
I would really love to hear how it's going in 2024.
Bang on! Once a week church is rotting my hope! I discovered a house church last Sunday after church!
Quite interesting. I was involved in a church some years ago that reduced down from and traditional church to meeting in homes and even prior to that other than our administrator, there was no paid staff or ministers. A young lady had a dental/oral situation and because we had no overhead and rents or salaries, we were able to pay a $16,000 medical bill for her and her family. So many good things come out of the home fellowship or church situation. I was the treasurer at one time of a church I was involved in and probably close to 90% of the money coming into the church went to sustain the organization and not to actual ministry. Thanks for sharing.
This is true across the board. Very little of the funds given to churches goes for actual ministry,meeting the needs of poor Christians, foreign mussions,etc.
Your experience just defined Church. Thank you
House church is going to be the lifeline of believers in the coming times. Look up John Fenn he was given the task of forming a house church network. His network is called church without walls.
Home churches makes it feel more like family.
Essentially, that's what church is,an extended spiritual family, sharing in each others needs and serving one another.
@@steveharris9610Amen! House church will be the lifeline for believers in the coming times.
We work in Europe with house gatherings. Small apartments can't hold large groups so it means we multiply sooner. Our goal is to grow through evangelism.
I am blessed. Sending love from Indonesia.
I wish I could find something like this. I'm hurting bad and feel lost in mostly all churches. I have no family or friends or real relationships. I'm not sure how much longer I can hold on like this. I'll survive, but my fear is dying lonely and without truly experiencing fellowship with others who care for my soul or love me. My God help me.
Hey! I've been doing home gatherings with some of our family in Christ for about 3 years now and I absolutely love it! No more going to a building (called church) but instead living in complete fellowship with THE church in our homes as a family because we are one in Christ! If you're having trouble looking where to start, look up "Church Without Wall International" they are all about house church and living out The Word! John Finn is who started it and he does video teachings on how to get started with house church and He can help you find a good core group of people to do house church with!
I have connections to the house church network that Francis Chan started, and his ministry (crazy love) runs a training for people starting house churches. My pastor is actually the one in charge of that training. He has a spreadsheet of house churches all around the US that went through the training. If you comment back happy to connect you to him if you are looking for a church near you. Maybe he knows of one.
Start one
I think home churches are best, but if you are unable to find one, at least join one or more small groups at whatever church you attend. Don’t be alone- we all need connection.
I love the boldness of this story. The faith to respond to a call you believe you have from the Lord. I have also felt called to head in this direction. I do not see it relevant to watch this story and immediately try and point out what we believe is wrong with it. I can watch this with a heart that hears the Lords voice while still agreeing to disagree with the concepts mentioned on tithing. Whether you stand by the OT command to tithe or the NT call to give what you are called to the end result will remain the same if you are a child of God. I do not see anywhere mentioned that salvation is affected by whether or not you believe in the tithing principle.
Gathering in the home is the only way we can actually worship and serve and love each other as Jesus described... An organization run by salaried employees is the antithesis of the body of Christ (the church).
AMEN
Wow, I am not sure I'd use such strong words, but you really touch on something incredibly significant- unity and service. Home churches foster unity and service is a way that is unlike other forms of gathering. And that is critical in the American/western church. This may spur me on to create a TH-cam video regarding my experience at wearchurch in San Francisco!
are you saved?
are you saved?
I am!
We are not under the law of Moses. Amen! Paul’s letter to the Galatians makes this very clear. Christ has made us free. As such, we are free not to tithe, and we are free to give cheerfully and generously and prayerfully.
No the bible does not say you're supposed to tithe. That's OT. The NT says to give what God has placed in your heart. I want to be involved in a home church but not if someone will still preach the same heresies that's in the larger churches.
God bless you whoever you are .... your comment is absolutely correct !
We have started a home church and the biggest challenge is to "unlearn" all the errors of the traditional church, such as tithing.
The Old Testament is the Bible. Periodt.
In NT, it's not that 1/10 is God's. 10/10 is God's.
Jesus says to Pharisees, you tithe mint etc but neglect justice.. and then he says you should do the second WITHOUT neglecting the former (Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices-mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law-justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.) Matt 23 23
I.e. justice mercy faithfulness are more important, BUT we should.also.NOT neglect tithing. This is Jesus' words in NT. We need to practice justice mercy faithfulness, AND tithe. With the first being more important, but second also being necessary.
Why is everyone worried about tithing or not? This video is about something much more than tithing.
Because to tell Christians to tithe is to to put Christians under the Law of Moses... NO, that is a false teaching!!!!
They may be Torah observant. A vast majority of christians believe tithing in nonessential, but still use the number as a guideline. @markwhite5926
This is why the Churches are failing, you're not supposed to give tithes to a "Church" but the poor.
And also every christian is called to work 2 Thessalonians 3:6-18.
You need to read Malachi 3;10 the definition of church is the people not the building that people worship at. However, the church buildings has lights bill and air conditioners, and a mortgage to be pay every month. Who is going to pay it? The tithe money are used to pay the bills. And also send money to poor people in foreign countries and help the church families too.
@@bathsheba41 A house Church that meets on Sundays? Bud, you're right if the Church is a community building, or proper temple but not a private home. And we as new covenant Christians shouldn't tithe, you should give as much as you can (charity), we are not Old covenant Jews going to the Temple.
So yes give, specially to the poor this is essential part of being a Christian like prayer is. But there are so many well to do "pastors" that abuse the good will of the Christian heart for personal gain and a worldly lifestyle. Beware of wolfs in sheep clothing..
Christi is risen!
Love hearing about your journey. Sounds similar to my own. I heard you mention Uganda. I’m getting ready to help several house churches with training there. Would love to connect. Praying blessings for you and your family.
Been down this road for the past 10 years. You will learn many lessons. It will take you at least 5 years to shed old ministry thinking. It’s like an onion. You will think you have come to the end of your old mindset but it takes a while. First change is to ditch the tithing references. Not biblical and not house church language.
How do I find a home church 😔 this was so beautiful
If we decide to not go to a hospital because everyone there is sick or ill, will we ever get healed or cured of our diseases?
If I decide not to go to a gym because everyone in the gym are fat or unhealthy, will I ever loose fat or get healthy?
Matthew 9:10-12 -
While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew's house, many tax collectors and "sinners" came and ate with him and his disciples.
When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, "Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and `sinners'?"
On hearing this, Jesus said, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick.
Is going to a Church good? is going to a Home Church good? both yes for some people. One is not better than the other if its not in God's will for that person.
People come to church to CHANGE and TRANSFORM. A Church is a place filled with sick people. Let the mature ones feed and help the young ones and keep growing in Christ.
Savannah, what ever happened to these folks? I have family in Austin that would be very interested in a house church.
While I applaud those who start/do the Home Church, one has to remember it is not about the building. It is about Christ, through the Holy Spirit dwelling in you.
Something to consider. That is when you Home Church you weaken your voice in the World. I don't mean calling people to Christ but changing the habits of the World.
I’m sorry to say where at. Now should. Be glorious time in Christ. The mega church. Or. Setting of one man ( pastor} doing all the work making disciple preaching gospel all nations Remember the veil was torn we can come speak to our father Show them the way brother. You are on track
The best part is that they can decide for themselves what the Bible says. If someone disagrees, they can go start their own house church! We don't need anyone telling us how to interpret scripture! One person with no training or education of any kind is perfectly capable of deciding all on their own what the Bible teaches. Yay for anarchy!
A mega company is sluggish. A startup is agile.
What you are is awesome.
What you are doing is awesome.
If you want to tell people the bible tells us to tithe you must read that scripture, in full context. But it does not exist in the new testament.
Bible does not say we should tithe. Bible says freely give. Tithing was old testament for the Levitical priest. Rightly divide the word.
You are right about much... But tithing is NOT a New Testament command for. Christians!
If you are not working (Why?) and everyone else is still supporting you, have you really left the old model? Every able-bodied man is supposed to work so he can give to support his family and be able to also give to help others. This is what everyone else in the house church is doing. I do not mean to be unkind but I am honestly curious.
you mean, he's not working now?!
My thoughts exactly.
I assume you are interested in an honest answer. So here it is. At the time of this video 2019, I was in transition from a paid salary job as a pastor in a traditional church to joining this new house church gathering in Austin intending to find a new way to provide income for my family. Within months, I chose to start a residential remodeling business. It allows me to engage with clients in the community, mentor other men in work and life and have the flexibility to build my own schedule/priorities in work. It was absolutely terrifying for the first few months. However God's favor was on it, and now in 2022 the business has become successful during the pandemic and booming growth of Austin. We have been able to host one of the 7 gatherings in our home, serve as shepherds, give to those in need, share Jesus weekly throughout all areas of life, and seek the Kingdom of God. By no means are we, or the house church perfect. It is not the only way. It's just about Jesus, following Him and sharing Him with those around us.
Not working? They are probably working 24 hrs a day! Pastoring is not easy work
look it up in the new testament before you comment , I too have have slandered people before. We do NOT follow Jesus directly, we follow leaders. Leaders in the church have to spend time serving.- how are they going to feed their families?
I am bothered by the fact that this guy doesn't think he needs to get a regular job to support his family, as if that is beneath someone who used to have a paid ministry position. Instead, he seems to wait for people to donate to him. The apostle Paul had regular jobs at times like being a tentmaker.
Nothing's been mentioned in that regard because that's not what the documentary is about.
Maybe he has been looking hard for a job. We have no idea.
The Bible does not say to tithe... chapter verse please
There isn’t one in the Christian-Greek Scriptures. The Levitical tithe is not placed upon Christians. That is a tradition of men today. We are to give according to our heart’s desire.
2 Cor 9:7 states: “So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver.”
Why all the obsessing with tithing? Is it REALLY a make or break for churches or is the greater command to go out and spread the Gospel? If you don't want to tithe - don't. It's between you and God. If others want to tithe and believe that's their calling, let them be. This divisive rhetoric is why so many churches fall and so many lose faith. Rather than focusing on what makes us similar today's Pharisees harp on whether or not to tithe. Just stop already.
100% agree. Apart from strong opinion about tithing: in my experience those strongly opposed to it seldom give anything regularly or anytime. Doesn’t mean that such an opinion is wrong, but it’s interesting to have been in various ministries over 50yrs to allow the passage of time for the fruit of many opinions to be evident, tithing issue being one. Getting off centre about it and railing against it is completely out of order. If don’t think it’s right don’t do it.. and be peaceful about it. It’s not a make or break. Same as various end time eschatology. Don’t t fall out of fellowship over these things.
Be busy about doing Kingdom stuff… c’mon. Witness, pray for one another. In my name heal the sick cleanse the leper etc etc… get active, not passive armchair critic.
What’s the latest on this story?
this was very interesting until the man mentioned TITHING .... Tithing was a command under the Mosaic law to feed the Levites and Levitical priests who were given no land of their own ... there is NO Levitical priesthood under the new covenant. so ..... see ya .
Exactly! He should be encouraging spirit lead giving.
Maybe a max of 12 people is the sweet spot? Jesus did that.
New Covenant Whole Gospel:
Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him.
He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth.
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by
husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.
Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36)
We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24.
1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
Watch the TH-cam videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.
Jesus Christ organizes His church by four geographic designations.
Worldwide Body of Christ
Region
City
House
Let's look first at the house church.
( all caps added by me for emphasis )
Romans 16:5 KJV
Likewise greet the church that is in their HOUSE. Salute my wellbeloved Epaenetus, who is the firstfruits of Achaia unto Christ.
1 Corinthians 16:19 KJV
The churches of Asia salute you. Aquila and Priscilla salute you much in the Lord, with the church that is in their HOUSE.
Colossians 4:15 KJV
Salute the brethren which are in Laodicea, and Nymphas, and the church which is in his HOUSE.
Philemon 1:2 KJV
And to our beloved Apphia, and Archippus our fellowsoldier, and to the church in thy HOUSE
Churches by Region and City
Revelation 1:10&11
By Region
...to the seven churches in Asia
By City
... Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamos, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, Laodicea
Jesus Christ organizes His church SOLELY BY GEOGRAPHY.
Notice there is no "church of Paul" or "church of Peter". They don't even refer to house churches that way. It was "the church that is in their house". Not "their church". Yet we hear "my church" or "our church" all the time today.
Whose church is it ?
If it's ours, then it isn't the Lord's.
Churches that identify themselves by a certain leader, sect, name, or denomination are promoting division.
Division = Carnality
1 Corinthians 3:3-4 KJV
For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
[4] For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
Remember that Jesus Christ called His followers OUT of all sorts of sects and groups to follow HIM alone !
The only thing that should ever divide followers of Christ is the physical distance between them !
I believe that a true revival is coming, one that will return the true church to our roots.
But what, exactly, does "Jesus want?"
It is biblical in NT to tithe. Jesus says to Pharisees, you tithe mint etc but neglect justice.. and then he says you should do the second WITHOUT neglecting the former (Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices-mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law-justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.) Matt 23 23
I.e. justice mercy faithfulness are more important, BUT we should.also.NOT neglect tithing. This is Jesus' words in NT. We need to practice justice mercy faithfulness, AND tithe. With the first being more important, but second also being necessary.
@@katmandu3108 change of priesthood to the one in the order of Melchizedek. Hebrews mentions Abraham giving a tenth to Melchizedek.
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