I just check Stephen's exposed effect. There is a very good chance that it doesn't work the way you think it works. It is listed as a 'bewitched" effect (ie exposed effect). But, it is only for you (the single Stephen, not for other stephens). IE: The way stephen's bewitched effect is listed, it says "the target took XXX damage from bewitched effect". And then it says Stephen healed XXX amount. This listing is only for your own Stephen doing additional damage to the target, and healing from that. [similarly, For years, people thought Takeda caused the target to take on more damage. But, It was the same thing Takeda's effect only works for takeda. ] I promise you that if you tested the healing by using multiple Stephens, you will not get more healing than just with one Stephen. It is a quirky way Lilith composes their skill descriptions. I don't blame you for having believed otherwise.
Thanks so much! Right now I am leaning to run; Margaret/Cordoba, Gaja/Barbur, John/Stephen with 2-3 field marches. I will run Narses/Catherine in certain extreme situations. Honestly, I figured that the John/Stephen was going to be a cut just below, but I'm still very pleased with the results! Am I missing anything guys? Thx again! Happy New Year to everyone. 😁
Is it better for John to be primary or Stephen to be primary? I was thinking Stephen can apply the "Exposed" debuff earlier for the Mighty Heal to come into effect, or is it better to fire off John's damaging skill first?
Amazing results! For me, the best thing about these tests is that, whatever combination you do, they work! Even if one gets slightly better trades, the other survives a bit longer, the other is faster, or brings utility, slows, debuffs, etc. The differences shown on the tests will be circumstantialities in the real fights. A few lucky procs here and there, a well timed slow and hitting lower level targets, all can interfere more in the battle results than the difference in kp on a lab test. All siege commanders are great! I got Steve to 5553 and am on my way to max him before my next kvk. John I unlocked last MGE and I will swap to him 🥰
yes absolutely but for me, all ranged combat meta should spin around commanders with rage engines It can be Babur, Margareth, the Skill talent tree, or John's second skill in the real battle scenario, there is so so so many battles that lasts 7-8 turns that your ability to finish the skill cycle at 8-9 turns is vital for good results
I play on iPhone/ iPad. I always get cooked in large balls. After going siege I have a new joy for the game. I’m getting way more kills and there is a lot of fun tactical play. They have to deal with my tower and I can hide my other marches in cities and swarm when they come for my siege.
Hey, i can switch for 2 siege commanders to make them 5511. Which ones would you recommend the most? I am also thinking about just switching for 1 siege commander and using them with an epic. What would be the best then? Thanks for any help :)
i have waited for your full tested video.. realy thx. At now im playing marg+cord and gaja+barbur canion/field. At now i have 2x legend sets eq and 1x purple set eq. Want to use 2x siege in canion and 3x siege on field. What combination would you use? Canion: Gaja+Barb(tank solo) and cordoba+steph? field: Marg+cord (gold eq), john+steph (gold eq), gaja+barb (purple set)? From your excel gaja+babr is better than John+steph... when i see John stats, it not make me decision to do him, and thinking to play only marg+cord and Steph+barbur. How are you planing to pair them for canion and field?
Hello, sorry to bother you, my English is truncated... Would GAJAMARA + CORDOBA be the best option? I understood that :/ and I'm thinking about doing the commander reset for 1 pair of Cordoba which is the only one I have max. If you can give me recommendations as a new siege player, I would really appreciate it :)
@@MrSiegeOfficial Thank you very much, I am watching the video with subtitles for the second time and trying to understand as best as possible, you are the first one I have seen who uploads this content. I'm going to do an exchange with Gajamara then and continue looking to improve the equipment, have a good afternoon :)
I'm thinking of swapping cordoba and making margaret 5111 to wait for the next generation of ranged units, maybe another aoe commander will appear and then make a meta march, what do you think?
@@MrSiegeOfficial defiantly. But I honestly think as a single march it will be probably Cordoba Stephen. The aoe is great. The healing the stats. Very similar to gajah but a bit more AOE which I personally like a lot
@KarloDanial 1: you think John Stephen don't don't do normal damage? You are getting buffs for sure. And most people don't have full legendary inscriptions on their siege march anyways. 2: sure it's basically off cool down because you deal so many instances of skill DMG
estoy trabajando en mi marcha de ingenieria, ya tengo a gonzalo 5/5/5/5 y lo uso con margarita 5/5/1/1 pero pienso que esta marcha merece que los 2 comandantes sean mejorados al maximo, me recomiendas maxear a margarita o hay algun otro comandante que lo haga mejor? (pienso conservar a gonzalo asi que porfavor ayudame a encotrar su pareja)
Bro let me ask you this I now have John 5411 and I will max Stephen, so it means I will have Margareth and Stephen as 5511, and all other engineering maxed The plan is to check the viability of playing (just for fun, maybe not as optimal as having 3 towers) with 5 towers but instead of making the 4th one as Caterine + Narses, I would separate then to pull in JC + Honda to the play (Caterine +JC and Narses + Honda). but for this, I would have to max Honda using the commander swap event or do you think I should max John with the commander swap? Because I am really unsatisfied with him, to be very honest Or should I simply max Margareth and that's it? So the final lineup would be Babur+Gaja Marg+Cordoba Stephen+John Caterine+JC Narses+Honda wdyt? only the last tower would have gathering equipment, the 3rd and 4th could have a full set of purple engineering gear edit: have you ever done any tests with Honda to check if he is better than JC?
I did not see you modify the talent for pairing. It is very important for Mag & John to match the talent with the skill commander or the heavy attack commander talent point.
Welcome Now after the last experience, what do you advise me to do with one march, one siege?I don't care about injuries, I care more about kill points and speed in collecting kill points
yep. I just tested multiple Stephens. I finally was able to unlock Stephen, on most of my farms. So, w/ all my accounts, I kept on hitting the same target. Result: absolutely NONE of the Stephens received extra healing. That language in Stephen's active skill is very misleading. In reality, you only heal from the exposed effect that you yourself cause. No other 'exposed (or bewitched)' effect does healing to anyone else. Poo poo on Lilith for making such dumb misleading skill descriptions. similarly, it has been 7 years and they've not fixed the language on Takeda, who has the same exact issue. So, there is no chance lilith will fix Stephen's poor language, ever.
tbh i dont think the new comanders are any usefull for players that start on the path of siege you are better of with a 5111 Margret and then max Cordoba after that you go for Narses + Babur while getting Gajah on track to replace Narses its only then when you start thinking about Stephen because Gajah, Babur and Cordoba are more important to max idk when stephen will get better then a 5111 Margret but i dont see it outside of Stephen maxed (and you have to stay in combat to get the most value out of Stephen but if the ball moves its all gone while Margrets 3rd & 4th skill always have some value for your ball fights) my picks for the marches are still Margret + Cordoba, Babur + Gajah and John + Stephen if you have the gear, the armaments and the units for 3 marches
I would just point out one thing. A lot of current commanders have “skill damage reductions” so even with 40% extra damage, John will be weaker than Cordoba. That being said, since most new commanders coming out are now receiving “normal damage reductions” to counter smite damage, we may see John do better in the next few generations of field fights.
A lot of those skill damage reduction commanders don't affect ranged skill damage, it's a different damage type which you can see in game when you click on them. Same with the normal damage reduction, ranged normal is a different damage type again. The only ones that affect them are the "of all types".
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Checkout the spreadsheet!!
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iMsc_5YS-Vm_i83pH9saSUBt5naJ7ov5kNy-qhr7KCo/edit?usp=drivesdk
Great work💪. Thank you.
17:52 “It’s hard to control two balls while I’m trying to run a test.” 😂😂 I hear you brother!
but it is (ʘ ͜ʖ ʘ)
When you know, you know
I just check Stephen's exposed effect. There is a very good chance that it doesn't work the way you think it works. It is listed as a 'bewitched" effect (ie exposed effect). But, it is only for you (the single Stephen, not for other stephens). IE: The way stephen's bewitched effect is listed, it says "the target took XXX damage from bewitched effect". And then it says Stephen healed XXX amount. This listing is only for your own Stephen doing additional damage to the target, and healing from that. [similarly, For years, people thought Takeda caused the target to take on more damage. But, It was the same thing Takeda's effect only works for takeda. ]
I promise you that if you tested the healing by using multiple Stephens, you will not get more healing than just with one Stephen. It is a quirky way Lilith composes their skill descriptions. I don't blame you for having believed otherwise.
Thanks so much! Right now I am leaning to run; Margaret/Cordoba, Gaja/Barbur, John/Stephen with 2-3 field marches. I will run Narses/Catherine in certain extreme situations. Honestly, I figured that the John/Stephen was going to be a cut just below, but I'm still very pleased with the results! Am I missing anything guys? Thx again! Happy New Year to everyone. 😁
Wow impressive one question is equipment important in siege???
I think I’d have to agree with those 3 marches, all super good tbh
Yes but not as important as with other marches really
Is it better for John to be primary or Stephen to be primary? I was thinking Stephen can apply the "Exposed" debuff earlier for the Mighty Heal to come into effect, or is it better to fire off John's damaging skill first?
Amazing results!
For me, the best thing about these tests is that, whatever combination you do, they work!
Even if one gets slightly better trades, the other survives a bit longer, the other is faster, or brings utility, slows, debuffs, etc.
The differences shown on the tests will be circumstantialities in the real fights. A few lucky procs here and there, a well timed slow and hitting lower level targets, all can interfere more in the battle results than the difference in kp on a lab test.
All siege commanders are great!
I got Steve to 5553 and am on my way to max him before my next kvk. John I unlocked last MGE and I will swap to him 🥰
yes absolutely
but for me, all ranged combat meta should spin around commanders with rage engines
It can be Babur, Margareth, the Skill talent tree, or John's second skill
in the real battle scenario, there is so so so many battles that lasts 7-8 turns that your ability to finish the skill cycle at 8-9 turns is vital for good results
I am planning to make one siege march for altar fights. What is the best combo I can get?
so Gaja and cordoba is the top 1 march yeah ?
is it correct ?
Only just picked him up from the 7k gem event.
This just blows my mind lol
As f2p i want to start working on siege march which siege march is best of best
Keep up the work bro great siege content!
What would u recommend as pair if u wanna go 5511 5511? Just to test
Would like to see a video for the best siege field march, who is primary, who is secondary, what formation is used and what accessories are best 👍🏻
Thanks for the effort giving us the idea on what is the best pairing for siege march.❤❤
I play on iPhone/ iPad. I always get cooked in large balls. After going siege I have a new joy for the game. I’m getting way more kills and there is a lot of fun tactical play. They have to deal with my tower and I can hide my other marches in cities and swarm when they come for my siege.
@@bigearl2040 that’s exactly how I started off haha
Hey, do you think he can be a good garrison commander? Or do you advise me another pair for the garrison siege?
@@Rpzt-uw9ju siege garrison Babur Cordoba performs best
Thanks, now i know what to recommend to my kingdom fir commander swap
So we will have a "remaster" of the siege tierlist? 🙏
Definitely haha
@MrSiegeOfficial Yeeees!! 🤑
This means we need to spread the healing in all towers.
Margaret babur will perform the worst. Rest will shine.
Yes I agree
Hey, i can switch for 2 siege commanders to make them 5511. Which ones would you recommend the most? I am also thinking about just switching for 1 siege commander and using them with an epic. What would be the best then? Thanks for any help :)
@vmgg161 cordoba is a must and he really wants expertise, you can get good results from 5511 but not close to that from his expertise
@MrSiegeOfficial thanks 💜
i have waited for your full tested video.. realy thx. At now im playing marg+cord and gaja+barbur canion/field. At now i have 2x legend sets eq and 1x purple set eq. Want to use 2x siege in canion and 3x siege on field. What combination would you use?
Canion: Gaja+Barb(tank solo) and cordoba+steph?
field: Marg+cord (gold eq), john+steph (gold eq), gaja+barb (purple set)?
From your excel gaja+babr is better than John+steph... when i see John stats, it not make me decision to do him, and thinking to play only marg+cord and Steph+barbur.
How are you planing to pair them for canion and field?
Hello, sorry to bother you, my English is truncated... Would GAJAMARA + CORDOBA be the best option? I understood that :/ and I'm thinking about doing the commander reset for 1 pair of Cordoba which is the only one I have max. If you can give me recommendations as a new siege player, I would really appreciate it :)
@@carlosbaez299 yeh Gajah/Cordoba best all round pairing
@@MrSiegeOfficial Thank you very much, I am watching the video with subtitles for the second time and trying to understand as best as possible, you are the first one I have seen who uploads this content. I'm going to do an exchange with Gajamara then and continue looking to improve the equipment, have a good afternoon :)
@@MrSiegeOfficial Should we use Gajah in the front?
@@burakunlu44 I would
I'm starting to think my main needs a phew phew march lol
Definitely haha
Exactly what I was thinking about too 🤣🤣
I'm thinking of swapping cordoba and making margaret 5111 to wait for the next generation of ranged units, maybe another aoe commander will appear and then make a meta march, what do you think?
@@jakubpolowiec8535 great idea
Please tell me which is the strongest siege army?
Did you watch the video and look at spreadsheet?
@@MrSiegeOfficialmy man, some of us just want the tier list… not me, of course, I’ll wait till someone in my alliance to read it to me.
@@gordonschroeder1 Gaja cordoba
Who would have thought Stephen is the goat now
Me
He is very good but cordoba still the main man
@@MrSiegeOfficial defiantly. But I honestly think as a single march it will be probably Cordoba Stephen.
The aoe is great. The healing the stats. Very similar to gajah but a bit more AOE which I personally like a lot
@@Asyra135you are not getting any buffs from inscriptions cuz it's mostly normal attack buff..nor are you getting a good chance to cast the Aoe .
@KarloDanial 1: you think John Stephen don't don't do normal damage? You are getting buffs for sure. And most people don't have full legendary inscriptions on their siege march anyways.
2: sure it's basically off cool down because you deal so many instances of skill DMG
what to invest in now i have 1 siege march and cordoba maxed with margaret 5-5-2-1
I'm thinking of doing 1 march engineering, I have Stephen Gonzalo in mind. How should the best engineering march be with the new commanders?
Can you swarm a rally with a ranged siege attack and trade decently?
estoy trabajando en mi marcha de ingenieria, ya tengo a gonzalo 5/5/5/5 y lo uso con margarita 5/5/1/1 pero pienso que esta marcha merece que los 2 comandantes sean mejorados al maximo, me recomiendas maxear a margarita o hay algun otro comandante que lo haga mejor? (pienso conservar a gonzalo asi que porfavor ayudame a encotrar su pareja)
Bro let me ask you this
I now have John 5411 and I will max Stephen, so it means I will have Margareth and Stephen as 5511, and all other engineering maxed
The plan is to check the viability of playing (just for fun, maybe not as optimal as having 3 towers) with 5 towers
but instead of making the 4th one as Caterine + Narses, I would separate then to pull in JC + Honda to the play (Caterine +JC and Narses + Honda).
but for this, I would have to max Honda using the commander swap event
or do you think I should max John with the commander swap? Because I am really unsatisfied with him, to be very honest
Or should I simply max Margareth and that's it?
So the final lineup would be
Babur+Gaja
Marg+Cordoba
Stephen+John
Caterine+JC
Narses+Honda
wdyt?
only the last tower would have gathering equipment, the 3rd and 4th could have a full set of purple engineering gear
edit: have you ever done any tests with Honda to check if he is better than JC?
I still think the ranged commanders will all aril be better, only exception may be philip
I did not see you modify the talent for pairing. It is very important for Mag & John to match the talent with the skill commander or the heavy attack commander talent point.
my gems are ready!
Mine too!!!!
Can you use full engineering tree on Stephen pls?
Can you clarify that Caesar had a full museum?
@@desovl9685 yes that’s what makes him ok as secondary
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Welcome Now after the last experience, what do you advise me to do with one march, one siege?I don't care about injuries, I care more about kill points and speed in collecting kill points
Speed in collecting kill points may be Babur cordoba but you’ll have to refresh more often, best all rounder is Gajah cordoba
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@@MrSiegeOfficialdepends on how you play and what is going on at the time imo.
I think I'll go with Gaja and Caesar
I was thinking about a 2nd commander to swap l think l have him😊
yep. I just tested multiple Stephens. I finally was able to unlock Stephen, on most of my farms. So, w/ all my accounts, I kept on hitting the same target. Result: absolutely NONE of the Stephens received extra healing. That language in Stephen's active skill is very misleading. In reality, you only heal from the exposed effect that you yourself cause. No other 'exposed (or bewitched)' effect does healing to anyone else. Poo poo on Lilith for making such dumb misleading skill descriptions. similarly, it has been 7 years and they've not fixed the language on Takeda, who has the same exact issue. So, there is no chance lilith will fix Stephen's poor language, ever.
That sucks
Thanks for the info though, did you make sure to attack at different times?
tbh i dont think the new comanders are any usefull for players that start on the path of siege
you are better of with a 5111 Margret and then max Cordoba after that you go for Narses + Babur while getting Gajah on track to replace Narses
its only then when you start thinking about Stephen because Gajah, Babur and Cordoba are more important to max
idk when stephen will get better then a 5111 Margret but i dont see it outside of Stephen maxed (and you have to stay in combat to get the most value out of Stephen but if the ball moves its all gone while Margrets 3rd & 4th skill always have some value for your ball fights)
my picks for the marches are still Margret + Cordoba, Babur + Gajah and John + Stephen if you have the gear, the armaments and the units for 3 marches
babur cor 我的最爱
Dissapointing for John. Was expecting John + Stephen would be new top meta. Guess will stick for GM+Cordoba for now
John Stephen pls
im gonna commander swap Nevsky for a siege march
@@CANVAS_03NZ sounds good!
@@MrSiegeOfficial surely now leadership will stop asking people to delete T4 siege haha
I would just point out one thing. A lot of current commanders have “skill damage reductions” so even with 40% extra damage, John will be weaker than Cordoba. That being said, since most new commanders coming out are now receiving “normal damage reductions” to counter smite damage, we may see John do better in the next few generations of field fights.
A lot of those skill damage reduction commanders don't affect ranged skill damage, it's a different damage type which you can see in game when you click on them. Same with the normal damage reduction, ranged normal is a different damage type again. The only ones that affect them are the "of all types".
Skill damaged mitigation doesn’t work against ranged skill damage as it’s different, except the ones in the skill tree
This is not fair, let them attack you so we can see if you can survive or not.