What I'm getting from the comments is that it's probably worth it to switch once you're so high (2500/2600+) that you're starting to have a really hard time finding matches at all but until then not to bother with the extra latency because there's still more to learn in a less latent environment.
Europeans lag more for me than JP, it depends on where you are located. JP has at least 10x as many active players as NA and EU *combined* based off various X power benchmarks (top 500 and top 3000 mainly) and due to JP dataminers we know the average X power is only 1800ish The reality is even at like 2300 you benefit from facing way more players actually near your skill level. If you're anywhere near 1800 dont bother tho
I’ll offer my perspective. I’m in the US and I’ve played in the Tentatek both seasons. I did this because it seems like that’s what the devs wanted me to do and I was concerned about lag. Season 1 when I was seeing everyone getting pretty eye popping scores, I wanted in on that and set my goal at getting 2700 (in Splatoon 2 I had reached 2600 a few times). I fell short of that, so resigned myself to aiming for top 500 in every mode which I did accomplish. It felt like a good challenge especially coming off of Anarchy battles (though I’ll admit, most games could have their outcome predicted by which team had more splashes). This season, it’s definitely rougher. Top 500 has not been difficult at all, but at 2600 the struggle is even finding a match. There’s a lot of pressure to stay warmed up in the waiting room for 20+ minutes until you find a match and then feel you have to carry and knowing that a loss will be devastating. The long time to queue makes it harder to regain points you do lose which is giving me flashbacks to Splatoon 2 when one loss could erase 2 hours of progress. I disagree that the system should continue. We’re 7 months after release and wait times are already a problem? Wait until League battles come out. Wait until people just get bored and drop the game after they’ve had their fill. I only see things getting worse. I’d much rather just play players at my skill level regardless of where they are located rather than have to guess the decisions of others and have to live with those consequences for a quarter of a year. It’d be nice to have a cooler badge or some high power I can post about on Twitter and brag, but I just want fair matches in a timelier manner and further splitting the player base works against that goal.
Tbh I think the solution should be exactly like how Splatoon 2 league is You make anarchy one thing again, no regions, but the difference is that you show top 500 overall, top 500 Japan, top 500 EU and top 500 NA+OC.
The problem is that Nintendo will match NA and EU players together and JP and Oceania players together if we go back to splatoon 2's system, trying to keep both apart because of lag. Which means that the competitive players in NA and EU aren't going to get near the practice they need without putting themselves through VPNs which cause *more* lag. I'd rather have this system where people can just choose to go to the other league even if one of them gets left behind simply so that we can be matched globally with all players. We all Nintendo won't actually allow true global matchmaking and will favor matches closer to the user's geographic location rather than the actually strongest players.
@@xana3961 I admittedly know nothing about coding/game design, but I wouldn’t think it would be that hard to search for an even match with balanced comps as it does now, but limit it to players in your region for the first 45-60 seconds of the wait and if 8 players are not found, open the parameters to players of any region who meet the criteria. I think Nintendo faced a lot of backlash in Splatoon 2 by prioritizing matchmaking speed over all else which is why you’d get quick matches, but unfair comps. I’m wondering if they underestimated how much mirroring comps combined with dividing the player base would lead to such a surge in queue times. If you asked most Splat 2 players, I’m sure many would say they’d accept a 1-2 minute wait time if it meant more balanced games than 20 second waits. But instead right now we’re getting 15 minute waits which will just become an unsustainable death spiral because people are going to stop trying altogether.
@@GreGuru You are correct on that front. I wasn't addressing it as a coding problem, I was addressing it as a problem with Nintendo's design mindset. Its actually MORE work to create lobbies that favor regions closer to your location than to make lobbies that take random people from all over the world and put them into random lobbies. Even using P2P. What I am saying is "I'd rather have this system because, if we had a different one, Nintendo would screw it up."
I switched to Takoroka for this current season. At the end of chill season in Tentatek I was above 2900XP trying to reach 3k, and wasn't able to for weeks and never made it. Not because of losing games, but because I couldn't find any at all. I'd go entire rotations trying to queue without finding a single match in zones, so I switched to Takoroka hoping that the higher general skill level and player population would keep me finding lobbies in higher powers next time. I haven't hit 2900 yet, but currently around 2700 I'm still finding lobbies on essentially every attempt, and the caliber of top 500 lobbies in Takoroka feels like night and day compared to Tentatek. So at *this point* Takoroka feels great, however the grind to get a decent enough power to start getting paired with other high power players to start with felt much worse than in Tentatek in my opinion. Lower power JP lobbies (~2500XP and below) don't play any differently or better from western lobbies except there's now latency that you also have to power through, so it can feel even less meaningful or within your control to play in those. With that in mind, I think Takoroka is worth it for those who have confidence they truly can throw their weight around with some of Japan's best and learn from it, but at some point the "domino effect" Gem brought up will have a breaking point, or at the very least leave a large portion of the incoming western population to Takoroka quite disappointed as they won't actually get to appreciate that higher match quality at high powers.
I really think that having Series and X be two separate and redundant queues hurts the quality of matchmaking a lot. I'm in low X and most of my matches are... "Not enough players. Please try again." X should just be how the whole game works from the start. A working rating system shouldn't be something only the best players get to unlock.
Working tight matchmaking for every mode in an era of automated queueing like this only makes sense but too many people still drink the koolaid that casual modes don't need it when they really do, just hidden with lower stakes to the matches.
There should still be a way to play an anarchy series like mode that can be played at lower ranks. You need to remember that a large number of people who play ranked regularly are not at a high enough level to play x battles.
What's funny is that I did the exact opposite, I changed from Takoroka to Tentatek because I wanted to be able to get the X Battle badges. I will switch back once I get them though. Since Takoroka has a lot more players so the matches seem a lot more even when compared to Tentatek.
That's what I'm going to do. When gem showed is 2356 or something power LVL was 10th place I'm like I gotta switch. My power LVL after placement was 2363 on takoroka
Ikr I feel that. It looks like it’s more balanced in tentatek. Like I am probably wrong but I’ve seen competitive TH-camrs not even break 3000 and going into takoroka like there is not enough good people 😂. Sorry couldn’t resist the cheap shot lol
as a person who sits around 1900 xp average in all modes the switch to takaroka division has made the matches a lot easier since I don't have to worry about matching with a top 500 player when playing these matches cause of the population density. and overall difficulty in matches is a lot more consistaint. Since last time I grinded x rank back in chill season I top cut in off the dial's FABL 3 times and am moving on to the finals. so that might have a considerable effect on my perspective as I have significantly improved my play in FABL. edit: I had 2102 x power in rain when I entered so I barely qualified for alpha. I probably only got in during qual 2 cause of less player playing and managing to top cut in beta qual 1.
@timm8o475 Free Agent Battle League or FABL was a tournament hosted by off the dial and the mulloway institute of turfing Being one of the biggest draft tournaments and was structured and marketed as a major without a skillcap. (Although it wasn't really that much of a major) Tl;dr a large draft tournament with no skillcap.
There was a tweet the other day where the current 500th place’s X Power in Takaroka Splat Zones would be 5th place in the Tentatek region The difference in playerbase size+skill is insane
The only reason I'm personally in the tentatek division is because I've been a tentatek main ever since Octo expansion and because of that I have a personal connection to the weapon and tentatek as a brand. And plus being in the tentatek division is probably the only way someone of my skill level is ever going to get those high-ranking badges
the last season i was in x my highest power was 1700 something. That was in Takoroka. I havent played for a while bc my class hasnt really gotten too much love in the updates (splatlings) and ive been feeling burnt out. I also deal with anxiety problems which can make the grind really difficult for me to dedicate 100 hours + a season to get to 2500 (my goal). I am a bit concerned that people below 2500 will have a even harder time to get the badges especially if people are hitting 4k already. I live in Australia and i know my wifi could not handle being in tentatek. I dont want this to come off as a skill issue winge, I know that I am no where near the skill of these high level players. Im just concerned that there will be one devision that has max 2300 and one that goes from 1500 to 5000 X power. Maybe there should be 3 devisions, 1 for Na another for Oceania and then a final one for comp players. That way its more spread out, idk tho lol I havent gotten into it for a while for my own reasons lol
As you said Gem, bad players exist in Japan too. I think the best time for a player to make the jump to JP div is if they are top 500 in the west, consistently getting put in top 500 lobbies, and they feel their matches against other top 500 players are too easy for them. At lower levels, you are still getting the same mistakes less skilled players make, just with more lag. I played a bit in JP div in the previous season and am now in western div. Just a low-power player's two cents.
I'm doing the same, I didn't realize badges were being given out for top 500 so I messed around with my power too much. Rn I'm getting one mode to 2500xp then moving onto the next
People complaining about losing because they’re in the west and are fighting bad opponents: 🤓 Me complaining about losing because I’m in the east and am fighting good opponents:🗿
I'm hoping to get into X rank this season, and this has given me something to think about. I was low S+ in 2, and went from somewhere in B to S in about a week last season. It's mildly frustrating doing qualifiers to get back into S and watching the entire rest of my team do things like pile onto the tower. I hope I can get up there and experience a higher level of play, even if that means I'll probably be getting crushed for a while. I don't think latency against Japanese players will be that bad, back in S1 I was always getting placed with Japanese players, and it was a shock getting forced into the NA pool in 2, US players play differently (and in my opinion poorly) and the games were far more unstable thanks to how terrible this US's ISPs are.
If all of the best players are gonna be in one leaderboard anyway, I don't see the benefit of multiple leaderboards. But now that we're getting to the point where there's one "good player" server and two "bad player" servers, its just gonna skew the playerbase even more and make the barrier to entry feel a lot more unwelcoming. Its the same shit that EU players and Smash feel - being forced to play in NA or JP lobbies despite getting the worst end of the stick from it.
The tenetek division is so sad right now. I somehow got top 500 earlier in the season, but I can still maintain top 1500 even if I don’t play X rank all the time. I don’t even play splatoon everyday and I can still maintain top 1500. I don’t like getting high rankings when I didn’t put the effort into the ranking to begin with, and that is my reason for why I’m switching next season.
Wow! I just got in S+0 Rank and happened to come across Gem in a rainmaker open recently and this is the video I got 😂 Wasn't sure if it was him but at the end it said Livestreaming Teacher as his title. And now he's going ❤ Much love Gem you are an amazing teacher
@@jirachi_spl the amount of hours that you have to put in for what? To become x-rank, to become a professional competitive player, to become the best version of yourself in this game?
I don’t really know how common my experience is, but I’ve been hovering between 21-2200 on all modes TTek for the past two ranked splits. I had a feeling at launch that the “good” players, people I want to be on-level with in an organized tournament context someday, were not going to compete in their “home” region due to the likely skill difference between Ttek/Takoroka that was expected due to the series’ history. All the same, I’d never peaked very high in 2, (2400 max in one mode), so I felt like I wasn’t “worthy” of playing Takoroka? Like even if it’s objectively the better setting to improve my game, that desire to improve doesn’t outweigh the chance that I would negatively impact the experience of those who can handle it. I’m at a point now with ranked where I’d like to disregard the glicko rating and simply focus on my fundamentals and how I play a given lobby to grow from that, and let the power gains come naturally. However, I don’t really know where my rational frustrations (queue times getting much longer with growth, hitting a wall that I don’t know how to get past) end and where my irrational frustrations (the usual ranked behaviors of tilting on a loss streak, not having the time to evaluate if a teammate’s performance is reflective of their skill or my inability to play off of them effectively), begin. I feel really discouraged to keep attempting to improve some days because I start to believe that EVEN IF I can be happy with my own effort and progress, it matters less in a grand scheme because I’m making that progress on my home region, a region that other western players like me are abandoning to play on an objectively worse network environment or a private ladder (colo) that’s a flatly different experience. I can’t help but feel like I’m shooting myself in the foot for not taking that kind of dive. I also play competitively, and in a small way wish I didn’t so I had more time to grind my individual play. (I’d never quit though, the scrim and tournament play experience is satisfying in a unique way.) ((But even then, is it worth it to spend my time there, if I’m not playing against players that are better than me at all times? If our internal team discussions on how to improve are based on our own not fully informed conclusions about what is BAD and what will make us BETTER?)) tl;dr For a player longing to break through the walls of entry level play both on ladder and in organized settings, the Splatoon landscape feels like a mess of places where one could waste their own time and not have much to show for it, especially for a player with not many connections to more established spaces. I wish I knew where to go to learn more about the game on a fundamental level, and I wish even more strongly I knew the best place to put myself out there to find people willing to help driven players improve and set goals.
I've been in Tenatek for both seasons. In the first season, I couldn't even make Top 1500, and in this season, I'm teetering in and out of Top 500. In 2 or 3 of the modes, I forget. It feels kind of undeserving because I know so many people switched divisions. I'm on the fence about switching divisions because I know I still have a ways to go in this division from being knocked out of Top 500 almost everytime I enter it, but I'm also scared if I stay that it's going to be even more of a ghost town than it already is...
I played NA division on the first X season and got a peak of 2679 in TC, switched to JP and the matches are way more balanced yeah, but the lag can sometimes make playing against weapons like machine near unbeatable. I still say its worth joining JP once you peak 2600 or higher though.
at this point if the playerbase split is really that uneven i dont see any reason why its even split between 2 regions like yeah i get less latency but 1) they can just have that as a factor in matchmaking and 2) i dont know if thats even valid anymore given loads of western players are in takoroka now
This is my second season of x battles and I made the very early decision to switch into the takoroka division after my experience the previous season. By no means am I a high level player but I consider myself decent enough. I just felt like the tentatek division was a brick wall that I kept running into, that I couldn’t improve so I threw myself into takoroka and I feel like I’m actually learning something. I see strategies that just don’t happen on na/eu servers. It actually *feels* like a challenge at times and games can be close and not just an outright knockout and I’ve had to take multiple new strategies into my games. Granted I don’t think I’ll be receiving any badges because of my infrequency in x, but it’s better to be in an environment where I have potential vs one where I just kind of marinate.
I have a combined +2500 hours between Splatoon 2 and 3, but I feel like I haven't learned much from all those hours. I feel like my main problem with trying to improve at Splatoon is 2 things: My weapon choice and complacency I main Dynamo roller. See the problem? I know that Dynamo isn't the best weapon, but its fun to use, and fun is more important than winning to me. I also find that I have more fun in a casual setting than I do in more competitive scenes. I've considered trying to join a low level pick-up tournament just to see how I like it, but I don't want my hyper fixation with Dynamo to ruin the experience of my team mates. I'm sure it wouldn't as bad as I think, but I often take responsibility when my team loses. I think "If only I got that pick" or "If only I didn't get killed then" or "If only I had my special", things that are in my control. Even if it isn't my fault, I always think that there is some way I could've done better, to contribute more to the team. But I feel like I'm intentionally kneecapping myself by using a low tier weapon. It all boils down to this: I want to get better, but I use a bad weapon because it's fun to use, and I don't want to feel like I'm the reason I brought down a team with my casual centered mindset
Don’t beat yourself too hard for having a too “casual” mindset. I’m in a similar boat where I do want to do some team-play tournaments and such but is not at all interested in going full-on competitive. There’s going to be people like you who are just playing comp for fun and I’m sure I can find some casual games if I look hard enough. Plus, I only main splatlings (with the occasional e-liter, but only for like a month and not about to use it in actual teams), which is an “eh” class, so I also worry sometimes that I cant contribute anything outside of that niche. But if you really think about it there are still top level players with their own niches that they can play with outside of the generic splash/shooter, and by the looks of it you’re not looking to go into high top-level play where weapon choice matters a lot more than casual tournaments. As long as you’re having fun, and can find people who enjoy playing with you, that’s all that matters.
Hello! I’m a div 2 oce comp player and based on my pairs, I know a lot of top oce players are just going to the Ttek division because we want the badge and think it will be much easier. Personally I love the challenge of playing against top JP player and have made it to 2600xp but most players I know are switching next season purely because of how easy the badge will be to obtain
In the tentatek div first season, it felt way easier, and even the top 500 players weren't that good, I felt like I could've gotten a much higher score than I did given the time, but takaroka felt a lot better. I felt like I didn't have to get nearly as high a power to fight players I could learn from.
I'm pretty sure that this is because when a top 500 tries to join a game, because like gem explained, they are not that many, it takes sometimes 5, 10 or more minutes to find a match. Eventually the game take lower X power players to fill the missing players. I'm pretty sure this is the most logical thing
@@pixy3266 yeah i was in a game with a top 500 on my team the other day when im only 2100 and the other team crushed us. I felt so bad. High level matchmaking is a mess…
Ggs I was the Tri on the other team. Currently in the western division, 1900-2000 average. Once I climb up more and get comfortable playing might switch to other division.
Not trying to give you a hard time because you do great work for the community but considering your audience I feel like this video does way more harm than good. Your viewers are going to ignore all the qualifiers that you attached to the points you made and just switch to Takoroka next season, making Tentatek queues take longer and Takoroka lobbies more laggy and unbalanced. Hope I'm wrong I don't blame anyone for switching but I personally very much dislike the system of allowing players to choose divisions, feels like the only people who benefit are higher level Western players at the expense of JP players getting quality connections in their lobbies.
I feel like Gem just called the entirety of NA the competitive equivalent of the kiddie pool, while the adults are all on Takoroka. It sucks to hear progress trivialized as "it doesn't mean anything, because it wasn't real competition with the big boys"
Say that as you will, Gem. The implications are there, and they’re the most… heavily shown in this vid. “Heavily” only for lack of a better term in mind.
since you mentioned the example of a top 300 player from the jp division in comparison to the western one, in the west 2480 power right now as of writing this comment is top 300, in jp 2795 power is top 300. this is high enough to be in western top 10!!!
Yeah I knew something was off cause I went 4 and 1 in rainmaker and somehow I was only given the glicko score of 2054 and last season I averaged 2300 in all the modes then 2400 in tc. I guess every good player left tentatek division cause then otherwise, I wouldn’t have gone 4 and 1 and have only received 2050 normally that would have been 2200 or 2300 for me
if i migrate to the takaroka division would that be beneficial to someone, like me, who’s not even back in s+ in the future to continue learning to improve?
The way I interpreted it is that switching only benefits you if you are able to consistently reach the upper echelon of X rank, since top JP players are better than top western players. However, If more and more players move to takaroka, the more inflated your X power in tentatek will be.
I'd say the Tentatek division still has plenty of value to offer you, with the added benefit of less lag. You can migrate when you notice really long wait times to find X matches
@@GWConspiracy i’m only 2100 and some nights I STILL have longer wait times. I think even 2000+ players looking for a challenge should just make the switch to takora
It would be cool if they combined the leaderboards but kept matching seperate untill the game realizes ur that your up there in tentatek rankings so let's just put you in takatora lobys bc your so good. Maybe even give a rank estimate for that side too if you picked it. Idk
I've been stuck in 1700 Xpower in the tentatek division. it's hard to get out of that because you hardly get any points from winning. and if you lose a series you lose almost 30 points I'm trying to get out of the low power levels to actually get a challenge. next season I think I'm going to choose takaroka division.
I see, you have the same problem as me, I have to say my placements were pretty unfair (1950 average and I did win 18/20 matches) i worked my way up from 1950 up to 2300 in every mode, with winning streaks of 13 Series in a row but only to get 10 points for each series and eventually lose sometimes 40 or 50 for a lost series, it's just not fair in my opinion.
Next season, I am planning on pushing harder in ranked. I'll be trying X rank alot. but as a (not a joke) big swig main, do you think I should stay in tentatek for a season and then switch over?
@@Squidveemo Its not throwing/griefing if you started your climb doing that, and you always do that thing It is a handicap, yes, but as long as the matchmaking system works as advertised it will only be a handicap for themself their teammates will likely be upset that they got matched with a big swig player but only for as long as it takes them to realize that said big swig player deserves the rank they're playing, if not a higher one Its upsetting to think that maybe if this player had chosen a better weapon you'd have an easier time winning, but if they were using a better weapon they probably wouldn't even be getting matched with/against you. They'd be a higher rank, playing with and against better players
God, I need to rant about this here I’m so mad at all the teammates I’ve had recently. I’ve gotten so screwed over by the people in TTek division. I had 1700-1800 powers in X, and that’s mainly due to teammates. And now it’s basically impossible for me to grind up points, even if I carry my team.
One time I had someone not even dodge roll once with duellies in takoroka. I feel like people forgot about Australia and other countries with low level x players like me in takoroka
if you feel your performance hinges on your teammates then stop caring about your score in a mode with random teammates. join a comp team and judge your performance by how well your team does against other organised teams
@@ellasorellabrella this right here. you have no control over your team nor their comp/gear so there's no real point in sweating over it that much. Just have fun with the kits you can
If you’re grinding (for hours) and being matched with people against the same level and your team is the same level and you’re saying you’re higher level than everyone else in the lobby, it should give your team an edge and win, giving you a consistant winning streak, no?
@@Tomago9387 this, honestly. I don’t believe there’s such a thing as teammates being the only reason you do bad… even statistically there is no way someone is that unlucky to consistently be placed with bad teammates and keep losing solely because their teammates were bad. Even so there is no point getting mad about something you have no control over, if anything getting mad at your own play is better cause then you can actually change and improve that yourself
I have picked tentatek both seasons, and I'm greatly regretting my pick this season. Last season, I got top 500, and I was glad to get the crown, but high level x rank feels much less serious in ttek. I think part of the reason for this isn't necessarily the lack of players in tentatek, but rather, the lack of players that are at a very high level. This can lead to even top 500 players getting placed into matches with much lower level players, which is bad for several reasons. I'm defo switching next season, and although the lag might in theory be worse there, plenty of disconnects still happen in ttek anyways.
i havent went to tenatek (but im in au so the jp side is less lag) and hit 2650 on zones which is like a sloid 200 above my peak in s2 although i never pushed for xp in that game. but overall xp power seems super inflated and meaningless. but i do know one of au's better players went over to tenatek this season i think purely for the x rank badges and is sitting at 11th in rain maker. tho he also hit 2900 in s2 with sploosh. overall i think its healthy that players are swap to the "stronger" server and think its similar to league of legends players traveling to play on other ranked servers (typically korea)
I understand where you guys are standing at and I understand why western players wants to switch server. But from our point of view, it’s just bothering. Compare to Splatoon 2, Splatoon 3 is really laggy already on the game of JP vs JP. What happen when western players come? It’s not hard to imagine. I just hope I won’t pick foreigner opponents and pray you guys won’t be the hosting the match. It is just ridiculous. So anything JP players can do? Not much. I know skill base of western players aren’t low. So even if I reach to around XP2800, I still need to pray for every single match.
I just have a small question: What is the difference between the Tentatek and Takadora divisions? All I know is that they are brands and that Japanese players are based more in the Takadora division…..
On paper, the divisions are split by geography. The Takoroka division covers Oceania and Eastern Asia, while the Tentatek division covers The Americans and Europe.
@@_m3llow515 Wait but then how do you swap divisions if you are a Western based player? Can you just like….change your division and play with more Japanese players?
@@chilly_shroom basically, yes. you're asked which division you want to join at the start of the season (or when you unlock xbattles) and youre there until season ends
X rank really does suck tbh. Right now I joined the one with Japanese players, and thought this would help me to get at least the green blue X badges for top 3000. But I think it'll be impossible, Because my X powers are not that great, each of them are like over 1800+ even though at splat zones I was at 1978 power. But still I would assume its still not enough to be at top 3000 :c
i figured this would happen lol. dividing it between 2 regions was ehhhh. i played maybe 2 X rank series and i've just been top 1000 for a while, i don't really play x rank, just open. i hope they remove regional divisions in the future, at least for people who reach a certain power level
It still impressed me how small the comp scene is, yet they scream so loud. My theory is that if nearly everyone who is seeking stronger opponents on the other side of the world, perhaps, maybe, just maybe, it is not guaranteed, that it may be less challenging to obtain the X battle badges. For those wants to collect said badge
This works out great for me, because I think Takaroka is a cooler clothing brand than Tentatek anyway. (yes, i know this is stupid and surface level, i'm being intentionally goofy please don't be mad at me)
i have an average of around 2300-2400 as of right now and i am not sure how to improve at all!! as someone trying to get into the competitive scene, am i more likely to improve in japanese servers???
There is just one issue, you are not going to get matches with top players in the talk rola division You said before: “Top players don’t gain from playing X rank” So this is for at most mid level or lower players If all players switch to takoroka, the match making will actually just match you up with the players around you anyway. And you don’t learn anything from top Japanese players Even if you do get match eventually, there is the time zone difference and the fact that maybe 1 out of 100 matches you will be placed against the top indeed, but the remaining 99 are also lower power ones
If the matchmaking is taking longer like when less players of equal skill are queuing around you which should happen more and more at higher levels, then you are gonna get more asian players and playing with more lag. And idk for sure, but nintendo saying the asian division is asian might make it likelier for the host console to be chosen from Asia which equals more lag for western players. (Host console is basically some player's console in the match and replaces a server in splatoon matches which use peer-to-peer connection)
@@kokoroc.7559 a lot of people seem to forget that its not just japan in tako. Australia, New Zealand and many others are there too. from what ive seen, to reach the players people seek you need 3000 power to be in that level. if you are 2300, i dont think it would be that worth it bc you will be around 1700. if your tentatek then it could be worthwile seapping if you have 2700 & you may be able to see some returns from the change
@@kokoroc.7559technically true but that doesn’t mean it is worth swapping Using statistics, in almost every rank there is 4 Japanese players to 1 western(estimated data from splatfest 2 up until comedy vs action) Given that rank X doesn’t prioritize matchmaking, not all Japanese players are better than mid level There are as many players in Japan better then this player and as many as worse; gem made a video explaining the viewers to not fear a player because they are Japanese. What I am trying to say, changing to takoroka can also pair you up with Japanese players worse than you too. If everyone swapped we return to what Splatoon 2 was but with extra steps.
it is somewhat disappointing that this is the optimal solution to the system that nintendo created, but i dont blame anyone for making that choice. I personally prioritize lag and wish there was a system that let people play across divisions.
Takaroka is absolutely horrible. I’ve been put 12 ranks lower than my peak power wise (X->A+) just for switching divisions. It won’t even allow me the power I’ve consistently hung around in Splatoon 2 for years. There are also a lot more bad players in Takaroka proportional to more good players, so getting bad teammates in low elo is more likely in Takaroka. I’m leaving the Takaroka division
Hi! I don't like to complain about bad teammates but me too I'm tired of being the only one having the best k/d ratio and the most paint at the end of most of my matches. Last season I had a lower score than before, inimaginable that lost skill, I'm sure all the good players left the region and went into the Japan one, leaving a lower skill level in this one. I'm curious to hear if you've actually joined the Japan region, if it is better or overall what do you think about it, because I still haven't choose a region for this season yet Have a nice day!
No kidding. … Personally, I find it surprising that, considering how Gem keeps hyping up Japaneese players and bashing every other region, there are still anywhere near 1000 players playing Splatoon outside of japan. … Just saying this here because that “beaten up” feeling was the most prevalent from after watching this video.
@@Jimblemimble That's my question: It only affects X-Rank? So anarchy open or salmon run could still match with people in tentatek div(at least on my friend list)? In my head that's unlikely, but because I just don't know I asked.
How do I get more points from my placement? Is there a trick, I did win out of 20 placement matches 18, with an average kd. Of 14/3 and played almost in every game the Objective. I never got ranked higher then 2200. Is there something I can do about it, cause I had friends winning 4/5 tc games and got ranked at 2500.
I think it has something to do with past performance where if you were low power like 1900 it might not bump your power that much even if you win all games
I never reached S+ because i don't feel motivated playing Series Lately sense my first S+ Attempt on Fresh Season then 0-3, because of matchmaking, and if i do X Battles, i might go with Takoroka Devision, but i am in NA, i'm from the US Also. I wish i can keep S because of every season, D Rank to A+.
TTek as a whole is a clown-fest. Calcs are inconsistent at best given a constant Win-Loss ratio, and the players within either play like 1700 or 2700; No in-betweens.
What I'm getting from the comments is that it's probably worth it to switch once you're so high (2500/2600+) that you're starting to have a really hard time finding matches at all but until then not to bother with the extra latency because there's still more to learn in a less latent environment.
Europeans lag more for me than JP, it depends on where you are located.
JP has at least 10x as many active players as NA and EU *combined* based off various X power benchmarks (top 500 and top 3000 mainly) and due to JP dataminers we know the average X power is only 1800ish
The reality is even at like 2300 you benefit from facing way more players actually near your skill level. If you're anywhere near 1800 dont bother tho
@@preyingshark4878Is this true still now tho too? I mean, this video in general, not just this comment and your reply.
I’ll offer my perspective. I’m in the US and I’ve played in the Tentatek both seasons. I did this because it seems like that’s what the devs wanted me to do and I was concerned about lag. Season 1 when I was seeing everyone getting pretty eye popping scores, I wanted in on that and set my goal at getting 2700 (in Splatoon 2 I had reached 2600 a few times). I fell short of that, so resigned myself to aiming for top 500 in every mode which I did accomplish. It felt like a good challenge especially coming off of Anarchy battles (though I’ll admit, most games could have their outcome predicted by which team had more splashes).
This season, it’s definitely rougher. Top 500 has not been difficult at all, but at 2600 the struggle is even finding a match. There’s a lot of pressure to stay warmed up in the waiting room for 20+ minutes until you find a match and then feel you have to carry and knowing that a loss will be devastating. The long time to queue makes it harder to regain points you do lose which is giving me flashbacks to Splatoon 2 when one loss could erase 2 hours of progress.
I disagree that the system should continue. We’re 7 months after release and wait times are already a problem? Wait until League battles come out. Wait until people just get bored and drop the game after they’ve had their fill. I only see things getting worse. I’d much rather just play players at my skill level regardless of where they are located rather than have to guess the decisions of others and have to live with those consequences for a quarter of a year.
It’d be nice to have a cooler badge or some high power I can post about on Twitter and brag, but I just want fair matches in a timelier manner and further splitting the player base works against that goal.
Tbh I think the solution should be exactly like how Splatoon 2 league is
You make anarchy one thing again, no regions, but the difference is that you show top 500 overall, top 500 Japan, top 500 EU and top 500 NA+OC.
Yeah I went back to anarchy, I just want to play some games, what’s the point of X if you can’t even find a game?
The problem is that Nintendo will match NA and EU players together and JP and Oceania players together if we go back to splatoon 2's system, trying to keep both apart because of lag. Which means that the competitive players in NA and EU aren't going to get near the practice they need without putting themselves through VPNs which cause *more* lag.
I'd rather have this system where people can just choose to go to the other league even if one of them gets left behind simply so that we can be matched globally with all players. We all Nintendo won't actually allow true global matchmaking and will favor matches closer to the user's geographic location rather than the actually strongest players.
@@xana3961 I admittedly know nothing about coding/game design, but I wouldn’t think it would be that hard to search for an even match with balanced comps as it does now, but limit it to players in your region for the first 45-60 seconds of the wait and if 8 players are not found, open the parameters to players of any region who meet the criteria.
I think Nintendo faced a lot of backlash in Splatoon 2 by prioritizing matchmaking speed over all else which is why you’d get quick matches, but unfair comps. I’m wondering if they underestimated how much mirroring comps combined with dividing the player base would lead to such a surge in queue times. If you asked most Splat 2 players, I’m sure many would say they’d accept a 1-2 minute wait time if it meant more balanced games than 20 second waits. But instead right now we’re getting 15 minute waits which will just become an unsustainable death spiral because people are going to stop trying altogether.
@@GreGuru You are correct on that front. I wasn't addressing it as a coding problem, I was addressing it as a problem with Nintendo's design mindset. Its actually MORE work to create lobbies that favor regions closer to your location than to make lobbies that take random people from all over the world and put them into random lobbies. Even using P2P.
What I am saying is "I'd rather have this system because, if we had a different one, Nintendo would screw it up."
In the 2017 SWC NA's Deadbeat won over japan. The only time japan didn't win worlds
... which was also barely a Competitive event by the standard of players being able to know what they are doing, but I'll take it. USA W!!!!
USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸
It wouldn't be the first time they didn't win something.
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As a player playing at Japan server. I have to say that splat zone is like a bloody tournament. All the best players are at there. Hope you enjoy.
I switched to Takoroka for this current season. At the end of chill season in Tentatek I was above 2900XP trying to reach 3k, and wasn't able to for weeks and never made it. Not because of losing games, but because I couldn't find any at all. I'd go entire rotations trying to queue without finding a single match in zones, so I switched to Takoroka hoping that the higher general skill level and player population would keep me finding lobbies in higher powers next time. I haven't hit 2900 yet, but currently around 2700 I'm still finding lobbies on essentially every attempt, and the caliber of top 500 lobbies in Takoroka feels like night and day compared to Tentatek. So at *this point* Takoroka feels great, however the grind to get a decent enough power to start getting paired with other high power players to start with felt much worse than in Tentatek in my opinion. Lower power JP lobbies (~2500XP and below) don't play any differently or better from western lobbies except there's now latency that you also have to power through, so it can feel even less meaningful or within your control to play in those. With that in mind, I think Takoroka is worth it for those who have confidence they truly can throw their weight around with some of Japan's best and learn from it, but at some point the "domino effect" Gem brought up will have a breaking point, or at the very least leave a large portion of the incoming western population to Takoroka quite disappointed as they won't actually get to appreciate that higher match quality at high powers.
Thanks, that's a really helpful perspective
sure glad im a+ rank 😊 i am like a doe prancing in the woods, blissfully unaware of the forest fire ahead
I'm a+ rank but I'm regularly playing s+ and x rank players ever since my buddy ranked up. It's killing me
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I really think that having Series and X be two separate and redundant queues hurts the quality of matchmaking a lot. I'm in low X and most of my matches are... "Not enough players. Please try again."
X should just be how the whole game works from the start. A working rating system shouldn't be something only the best players get to unlock.
i agree. open can be more casual anarchy modes, and anarchy series can have glico-based matchmaking and be more serious.
Working tight matchmaking for every mode in an era of automated queueing like this only makes sense but too many people still drink the koolaid that casual modes don't need it when they really do, just hidden with lower stakes to the matches.
There should still be a way to play an anarchy series like mode that can be played at lower ranks. You need to remember that a large number of people who play ranked regularly are not at a high enough level to play x battles.
@@PikKraken8 The point is that X's format would just be the default, open to everyone, no need to unlock a working rating system.
What's funny is that I did the exact opposite, I changed from Takoroka to Tentatek because I wanted to be able to get the X Battle badges. I will switch back once I get them though. Since Takoroka has a lot more players so the matches seem a lot more even when compared to Tentatek.
That's what I'm going to do. When gem showed is 2356 or something power LVL was 10th place I'm like I gotta switch. My power LVL after placement was 2363 on takoroka
Ikr I feel that. It looks like it’s more balanced in tentatek. Like I am probably wrong but I’ve seen competitive TH-camrs not even break 3000 and going into takoroka like there is not enough good people 😂. Sorry couldn’t resist the cheap shot lol
as a person who sits around 1900 xp average in all modes the switch to takaroka division has made the matches a lot easier since I don't have to worry about matching with a top 500 player when playing these matches cause of the population density.
and overall difficulty in matches is a lot more consistaint.
Since last time I grinded x rank back in chill season I top cut in off the dial's FABL 3 times and am moving on to the finals.
so that might have a considerable effect on my perspective as I have significantly improved my play in FABL.
edit: I had 2102 x power in rain when I entered so I barely qualified for alpha.
I probably only got in during qual 2 cause of less player playing and managing to top cut in beta qual 1.
What's FABL?
@timm8o475 Free Agent Battle League or FABL was a tournament hosted by off the dial and the mulloway institute of turfing
Being one of the biggest draft tournaments and was structured and marketed as a major without a skillcap.
(Although it wasn't really that much of a major)
Tl;dr a large draft tournament with no skillcap.
I've seen Japanese players who complain about laggy matches due to foreign players. Hopefully it doesn't get toxic
Bet you it already has.
X Battles has gotten around 2 seasons to develop that Toxicity. That’s not remotely long in the internet community. ;)
There was a tweet the other day where the current 500th place’s X Power in Takaroka Splat Zones would be 5th place in the Tentatek region
The difference in playerbase size+skill is insane
Fun fact: Australia is part of the Takaroka division by default.
As a somewhat casual player who wants an X Battle badge, I see this as a win.
The only reason I'm personally in the tentatek division is because I've been a tentatek main ever since Octo expansion and because of that I have a personal connection to the weapon and tentatek as a brand. And plus being in the tentatek division is probably the only way someone of my skill level is ever going to get those high-ranking badges
the last season i was in x my highest power was 1700 something. That was in Takoroka. I havent played for a while bc my class hasnt really gotten too much love in the updates (splatlings) and ive been feeling burnt out. I also deal with anxiety problems which can make the grind really difficult for me to dedicate 100 hours + a season to get to 2500 (my goal). I am a bit concerned that people below 2500 will have a even harder time to get the badges especially if people are hitting 4k already. I live in Australia and i know my wifi could not handle being in tentatek. I dont want this to come off as a skill issue winge, I know that I am no where near the skill of these high level players. Im just concerned that there will be one devision that has max 2300 and one that goes from 1500 to 5000 X power. Maybe there should be 3 devisions, 1 for Na another for Oceania and then a final one for comp players. That way its more spread out, idk tho lol I havent gotten into it for a while for my own reasons lol
As you said Gem, bad players exist in Japan too. I think the best time for a player to make the jump to JP div is if they are top 500 in the west, consistently getting put in top 500 lobbies, and they feel their matches against other top 500 players are too easy for them. At lower levels, you are still getting the same mistakes less skilled players make, just with more lag. I played a bit in JP div in the previous season and am now in western div. Just a low-power player's two cents.
It kind of seems like people are sorting themselves into a low level and high level X rank, which might not entirely be a bad thing tbh.
I'm doing the same, I didn't realize badges were being given out for top 500 so I messed around with my power too much.
Rn I'm getting one mode to 2500xp then moving onto the next
People complaining about losing because they’re in the west and are fighting bad opponents: 🤓
Me complaining about losing because I’m in the east and am fighting good opponents:🗿
I'm hoping to get into X rank this season, and this has given me something to think about. I was low S+ in 2, and went from somewhere in B to S in about a week last season. It's mildly frustrating doing qualifiers to get back into S and watching the entire rest of my team do things like pile onto the tower. I hope I can get up there and experience a higher level of play, even if that means I'll probably be getting crushed for a while.
I don't think latency against Japanese players will be that bad, back in S1 I was always getting placed with Japanese players, and it was a shock getting forced into the NA pool in 2, US players play differently (and in my opinion poorly) and the games were far more unstable thanks to how terrible this US's ISPs are.
Seeing your early season SZ x power compared to mine really highlights how empty the division is when we the game paired us up on a team twice.
If all of the best players are gonna be in one leaderboard anyway, I don't see the benefit of multiple leaderboards. But now that we're getting to the point where there's one "good player" server and two "bad player" servers, its just gonna skew the playerbase even more and make the barrier to entry feel a lot more unwelcoming. Its the same shit that EU players and Smash feel - being forced to play in NA or JP lobbies despite getting the worst end of the stick from it.
And Having one leaderboard is going to change the alienation? HA!
All that will change is *how* you’re segregated and *why* you’re alienated.
The tenetek division is so sad right now. I somehow got top 500 earlier in the season, but I can still maintain top 1500 even if I don’t play X rank all the time. I don’t even play splatoon everyday and I can still maintain top 1500. I don’t like getting high rankings when I didn’t put the effort into the ranking to begin with, and that is my reason for why I’m switching next season.
I'm glad that since I'll never make it out of A rank, I don't have to worry about stuff like this!
Wow! I just got in S+0 Rank and happened to come across Gem in a rainmaker open recently and this is the video I got 😂
Wasn't sure if it was him but at the end it said Livestreaming Teacher as his title.
And now he's going ❤
Much love Gem you are an amazing teacher
i was top 2000 in clam blitz this season somehow (for a little while). i currently am in a low level team. i was genuinely shocked seeing that.
This kind of stuff is so wild to me. It really makes this game feel like a lost cause for anyone who isn’t fanatically obsessed.
I'm confused, how so?
@jjicebeam the amount of hours that you have to put in
@@jirachi_spl the amount of hours that you have to put in for what? To become x-rank, to become a professional competitive player, to become the best version of yourself in this game?
@@jjicebeam you ever hear the story of Sisyphus?
@@jjicebeam you're kinda sounding like a lunatic
I don’t really know how common my experience is, but I’ve been hovering between 21-2200 on all modes TTek for the past two ranked splits.
I had a feeling at launch that the “good” players, people I want to be on-level with in an organized tournament context someday, were not going to compete in their “home” region due to the likely skill difference between Ttek/Takoroka that was expected due to the series’ history. All the same, I’d never peaked very high in 2, (2400 max in one mode), so I felt like I wasn’t “worthy” of playing Takoroka? Like even if it’s objectively the better setting to improve my game, that desire to improve doesn’t outweigh the chance that I would negatively impact the experience of those who can handle it.
I’m at a point now with ranked where I’d like to disregard the glicko rating and simply focus on my fundamentals and how I play a given lobby to grow from that, and let the power gains come naturally. However, I don’t really know where my rational frustrations (queue times getting much longer with growth, hitting a wall that I don’t know how to get past) end and where my irrational frustrations (the usual ranked behaviors of tilting on a loss streak, not having the time to evaluate if a teammate’s performance is reflective of their skill or my inability to play off of them effectively), begin. I feel really discouraged to keep attempting to improve some days because I start to believe that EVEN IF I can be happy with my own effort and progress, it matters less in a grand scheme because I’m making that progress on my home region, a region that other western players like me are abandoning to play on an objectively worse network environment or a private ladder (colo) that’s a flatly different experience. I can’t help but feel like I’m shooting myself in the foot for not taking that kind of dive.
I also play competitively, and in a small way wish I didn’t so I had more time to grind my individual play. (I’d never quit though, the scrim and tournament play experience is satisfying in a unique way.) ((But even then, is it worth it to spend my time there, if I’m not playing against players that are better than me at all times? If our internal team discussions on how to improve are based on our own not fully informed conclusions about what is BAD and what will make us BETTER?))
tl;dr For a player longing to break through the walls of entry level play both on ladder and in organized settings, the Splatoon landscape feels like a mess of places where one could waste their own time and not have much to show for it, especially for a player with not many connections to more established spaces. I wish I knew where to go to learn more about the game on a fundamental level, and I wish even more strongly I knew the best place to put myself out there to find people willing to help driven players improve and set goals.
I've been in Tenatek for both seasons. In the first season, I couldn't even make Top 1500, and in this season, I'm teetering in and out of Top 500. In 2 or 3 of the modes, I forget. It feels kind of undeserving because I know so many people switched divisions. I'm on the fence about switching divisions because I know I still have a ways to go in this division from being knocked out of Top 500 almost everytime I enter it, but I'm also scared if I stay that it's going to be even more of a ghost town than it already is...
I played NA division on the first X season and got a peak of 2679 in TC, switched to JP and the matches are way more balanced yeah, but the lag can sometimes make playing against weapons like machine near unbeatable. I still say its worth joining JP once you peak 2600 or higher though.
at this point if the playerbase split is really that uneven i dont see any reason why its even split between 2 regions
like yeah i get less latency but 1) they can just have that as a factor in matchmaking and 2) i dont know if thats even valid anymore given loads of western players are in takoroka now
This is my second season of x battles and I made the very early decision to switch into the takoroka division after my experience the previous season. By no means am I a high level player but I consider myself decent enough. I just felt like the tentatek division was a brick wall that I kept running into, that I couldn’t improve so I threw myself into takoroka and I feel like I’m actually learning something. I see strategies that just don’t happen on na/eu servers. It actually *feels* like a challenge at times and games can be close and not just an outright knockout and I’ve had to take multiple new strategies into my games. Granted I don’t think I’ll be receiving any badges because of my infrequency in x, but it’s better to be in an environment where I have potential vs one where I just kind of marinate.
That was my question for whole time. I was keep minding if XP of JP2300 and NA/EU2300 really matches.
I have a combined +2500 hours between Splatoon 2 and 3, but I feel like I haven't learned much from all those hours. I feel like my main problem with trying to improve at Splatoon is 2 things:
My weapon choice and complacency
I main Dynamo roller. See the problem? I know that Dynamo isn't the best weapon, but its fun to use, and fun is more important than winning to me. I also find that I have more fun in a casual setting than I do in more competitive scenes. I've considered trying to join a low level pick-up tournament just to see how I like it, but I don't want my hyper fixation with Dynamo to ruin the experience of my team mates. I'm sure it wouldn't as bad as I think, but I often take responsibility when my team loses. I think "If only I got that pick" or "If only I didn't get killed then" or "If only I had my special", things that are in my control. Even if it isn't my fault, I always think that there is some way I could've done better, to contribute more to the team. But I feel like I'm intentionally kneecapping myself by using a low tier weapon.
It all boils down to this:
I want to get better, but I use a bad weapon because it's fun to use, and I don't want to feel like I'm the reason I brought down a team with my casual centered mindset
Don’t beat yourself too hard for having a too “casual” mindset. I’m in a similar boat where I do want to do some team-play tournaments and such but is not at all interested in going full-on competitive. There’s going to be people like you who are just playing comp for fun and I’m sure I can find some casual games if I look hard enough. Plus, I only main splatlings (with the occasional e-liter, but only for like a month and not about to use it in actual teams), which is an “eh” class, so I also worry sometimes that I cant contribute anything outside of that niche. But if you really think about it there are still top level players with their own niches that they can play with outside of the generic splash/shooter, and by the looks of it you’re not looking to go into high top-level play where weapon choice matters a lot more than casual tournaments. As long as you’re having fun, and can find people who enjoy playing with you, that’s all that matters.
Hello! I’m a div 2 oce comp player and based on my pairs, I know a lot of top oce players are just going to the Ttek division because we want the badge and think it will be much easier. Personally I love the challenge of playing against top JP player and have made it to 2600xp but most players I know are switching next season purely because of how easy the badge will be to obtain
It’s almost bizarre going back to NA rooms after playing JP zones, I remember FLC saying it’s like the games run in slow motion in NA and he’s right
In the tentatek div first season, it felt way easier, and even the top 500 players weren't that good, I felt like I could've gotten a much higher score than I did given the time, but takaroka felt a lot better. I felt like I didn't have to get nearly as high a power to fight players I could learn from.
praying for your x rank connection across the whole damn globe 🙏
I was actually considering switching divisions as well
This hurt a lot to hear but I needed to I know I have a long way to go if I'm going to be a better player
Could this explain why I see so many top 500 when I'm only 2100-2200?
I'm pretty sure that this is because when a top 500 tries to join a game, because like gem explained, they are not that many, it takes sometimes 5, 10 or more minutes to find a match. Eventually the game take lower X power players to fill the missing players. I'm pretty sure this is the most logical thing
@@pixy3266 yeah i was in a game with a top 500 on my team the other day when im only 2100 and the other team crushed us. I felt so bad. High level matchmaking is a mess…
Ggs I was the Tri on the other team. Currently in the western division, 1900-2000 average. Once I climb up more and get comfortable playing might switch to other division.
Not trying to give you a hard time because you do great work for the community but considering your audience I feel like this video does way more harm than good. Your viewers are going to ignore all the qualifiers that you attached to the points you made and just switch to Takoroka next season, making Tentatek queues take longer and Takoroka lobbies more laggy and unbalanced. Hope I'm wrong
I don't blame anyone for switching but I personally very much dislike the system of allowing players to choose divisions, feels like the only people who benefit are higher level Western players at the expense of JP players getting quality connections in their lobbies.
1000% agree
0:20 I fought that Zappo person a few times yesterday so this threw me off.
I feel like Gem just called the entirety of NA the competitive equivalent of the kiddie pool, while the adults are all on Takoroka. It sucks to hear progress trivialized as "it doesn't mean anything, because it wasn't real competition with the big boys"
This is just a misrepresentation of what I'm saying. I don't stand by any of these characterizations of what I share in the video.
Say that as you will, Gem.
The implications are there, and they’re the most… heavily shown in this vid.
“Heavily” only for lack of a better term in mind.
I’m thinking about joining Tatar oks next season just to see how it is
since you mentioned the example of a top 300 player from the jp division in comparison to the western one, in the west 2480 power right now as of writing this comment is top 300, in jp 2795 power is top 300. this is high enough to be in western top 10!!!
I don't want to go to tarakota and hold people back so I'm sticking tentatek until I get a placement I'm happy with probably top 100
their problem, they should carry harder. do what you want !!
Yeah I knew something was off cause I went 4 and 1 in rainmaker and somehow I was only given the glicko score of 2054 and last season I averaged 2300 in all the modes then 2400 in tc. I guess every good player left tentatek division cause then otherwise, I wouldn’t have gone 4 and 1 and have only received 2050 normally that would have been 2200 or 2300 for me
I went 2-3 for an 1800 calc and 4-1 for a 2043 calc. Ttek sucks, and I'm too stubborn to swap off of my charger.
if i migrate to the takaroka division would that be beneficial to someone, like me, who’s not even back in s+ in the future to continue learning to improve?
The way I interpreted it is that switching only benefits you if you are able to consistently reach the upper echelon of X rank, since top JP players are better than top western players. However, If more and more players move to takaroka, the more inflated your X power in tentatek will be.
I'd say the Tentatek division still has plenty of value to offer you, with the added benefit of less lag. You can migrate when you notice really long wait times to find X matches
@@GWConspiracy i’m only 2100 and some nights I STILL have longer wait times. I think even 2000+ players looking for a challenge should just make the switch to takora
Look if I can't get past the stupid S+ Rank Up Battle I sure as hell ain't touching X Rank but my condolences to anyone who is trying that at all
It would be cool if they combined the leaderboards but kept matching seperate untill the game realizes ur that your up there in tentatek rankings so let's just put you in takatora lobys bc your so good. Maybe even give a rank estimate for that side too if you picked it. Idk
I've been stuck in 1700 Xpower in the tentatek division. it's hard to get out of that because you hardly get any points from winning. and if you lose a series you lose almost 30 points I'm trying to get out of the low power levels to actually get a challenge. next season I think I'm going to choose takaroka division.
I see, you have the same problem as me, I have to say my placements were pretty unfair (1950 average and I did win 18/20 matches) i worked my way up from 1950 up to 2300 in every mode, with winning streaks of 13 Series in a row but only to get 10 points for each series and eventually lose sometimes 40 or 50 for a lost series, it's just not fair in my opinion.
yea im changing to takaroka
Same thing for me. I'll win 4 series in a row and gain 60 points total, then lose 1 because of bad teammates, and suddenly I lose 60 points.
Next season, I am planning on pushing harder in ranked. I'll be trying X rank alot. but as a (not a joke) big swig main, do you think I should stay in tentatek for a season and then switch over?
please don't, think of your teammates.
@@Squidveemo Its not throwing/griefing if you started your climb doing that, and you always do that thing
It is a handicap, yes, but as long as the matchmaking system works as advertised it will only be a handicap for themself
their teammates will likely be upset that they got matched with a big swig player but only for as long as it takes them to realize that said big swig player deserves the rank they're playing, if not a higher one
Its upsetting to think that maybe if this player had chosen a better weapon you'd have an easier time winning, but if they were using a better weapon they probably wouldn't even be getting matched with/against you. They'd be a higher rank, playing with and against better players
Gem: switches to japanese servers
Ping and Lag
God, I need to rant about this here
I’m so mad at all the teammates I’ve had recently. I’ve gotten so screwed over by the people in TTek division. I had 1700-1800 powers in X, and that’s mainly due to teammates. And now it’s basically impossible for me to grind up points, even if I carry my team.
One time I had someone not even dodge roll once with duellies in takoroka. I feel like people forgot about Australia and other countries with low level x players like me in takoroka
if you feel your performance hinges on your teammates then stop caring about your score in a mode with random teammates. join a comp team and judge your performance by how well your team does against other organised teams
@@ellasorellabrella this right here. you have no control over your team nor their comp/gear so there's no real point in sweating over it that much. Just have fun with the kits you can
If you’re grinding (for hours) and being matched with people against the same level and your team is the same level and you’re saying you’re higher level than everyone else in the lobby, it should give your team an edge and win, giving you a consistant winning streak, no?
@@Tomago9387 this, honestly. I don’t believe there’s such a thing as teammates being the only reason you do bad… even statistically there is no way someone is that unlucky to consistently be placed with bad teammates and keep losing solely because their teammates were bad. Even so there is no point getting mad about something you have no control over, if anything getting mad at your own play is better cause then you can actually change and improve that yourself
I have picked tentatek both seasons, and I'm greatly regretting my pick this season. Last season, I got top 500, and I was glad to get the crown, but high level x rank feels much less serious in ttek. I think part of the reason for this isn't necessarily the lack of players in tentatek, but rather, the lack of players that are at a very high level. This can lead to even top 500 players getting placed into matches with much lower level players, which is bad for several reasons. I'm defo switching next season, and although the lag might in theory be worse there, plenty of disconnects still happen in ttek anyways.
i havent went to tenatek (but im in au so the jp side is less lag) and hit 2650 on zones which is like a sloid 200 above my peak in s2 although i never pushed for xp in that game. but overall xp power seems super inflated and meaningless. but i do know one of au's better players went over to tenatek this season i think purely for the x rank badges and is sitting at 11th in rain maker. tho he also hit 2900 in s2 with sploosh.
overall i think its healthy that players are swap to the "stronger" server and think its similar to league of legends players traveling to play on other ranked servers (typically korea)
I understand where you guys are standing at and I understand why western players wants to switch server. But from our point of view, it’s just bothering. Compare to Splatoon 2, Splatoon 3 is really laggy already on the game of JP vs JP. What happen when western players come? It’s not hard to imagine. I just hope I won’t pick foreigner opponents and pray you guys won’t be the hosting the match. It is just ridiculous.
So anything JP players can do? Not much. I know skill base of western players aren’t low. So even if I reach to around XP2800, I still need to pray for every single match.
Jp div's power LVL compared to trek div is insane
I just have a small question: What is the difference between the Tentatek and Takadora divisions? All I know is that they are brands and that Japanese players are based more in the Takadora division…..
On paper, the divisions are split by geography. The Takoroka division covers Oceania and Eastern Asia, while the Tentatek division covers The Americans and Europe.
@@_m3llow515 Wait but then how do you swap divisions if you are a Western based player? Can you just like….change your division and play with more Japanese players?
@@chilly_shroom basically, yes. you're asked which division you want to join at the start of the season (or when you unlock xbattles) and youre there until season ends
@@KallMeQul Ohhhh okay gotcha thanks!!
Bro finna make everyone switch to takoroka
X rank really does suck tbh. Right now I joined the one with Japanese players, and thought this would help me to get at least the green blue X badges for top 3000. But I think it'll be impossible, Because my X powers are not that great, each of them are like over 1800+ even though at splat zones I was at 1978 power. But still I would assume its still not enough to be at top 3000 :c
from someone who has reached 2700 x power a few times, I had to spend hours between each game before I can find just a single match and it sucks ☹️
At that point I’d just stop and be happy i reached top 100 and start playing on a team
@@Tomago9387 for sure! I stopped at 2711. I wanted 2800 but lost some matches unfortunately so just stopped there
i figured this would happen lol. dividing it between 2 regions was ehhhh. i played maybe 2 X rank series and i've just been top 1000 for a while, i don't really play x rank, just open. i hope they remove regional divisions in the future, at least for people who reach a certain power level
How to you choose which server/region you’re in, and is there a way to tell what your current region is?
Just be in Australia where Takoroka is your division, easy. Or at least, that's my approach
It still impressed me how small the comp scene is, yet they scream so loud. My theory is that if nearly everyone who is seeking stronger opponents on the other side of the world, perhaps, maybe, just maybe, it is not guaranteed, that it may be less challenging to obtain the X battle badges. For those wants to collect said badge
It's so cool because Iirermade it into X rank just the other day
I am at 2000-2200 and cannot find lobbies.I am lost!!
literally got top 500 na with only a high 2400 power
*me watching this video knowing damn well I'll never even reach X rank*
This works out great for me, because I think Takaroka is a cooler clothing brand than Tentatek anyway.
(yes, i know this is stupid and surface level, i'm being intentionally goofy please don't be mad at me)
Uhh, can anyone please explain to me what they mean by 'servers'??? or whatever 'division'? and what is it with the names??
@@sleepymilky ohh, i see; thank you for explaining
(i'm not in x rank so i guess that 's why i didn't know)
i have an average of around 2300-2400 as of right now and i am not sure how to improve at all!! as someone trying to get into the competitive scene, am i more likely to improve in japanese servers???
There is just one issue, you are not going to get matches with top players in the talk rola division
You said before:
“Top players don’t gain from playing X rank”
So this is for at most mid level or lower players
If all players switch to takoroka, the match making will actually just match you up with the players around you anyway.
And you don’t learn anything from top Japanese players
Even if you do get match eventually, there is the time zone difference and the fact that maybe 1 out of 100 matches you will be placed against the top indeed, but the remaining 99 are also lower power ones
"lower level" japanese players are still better than the top western ones....
If the matchmaking is taking longer like when less players of equal skill are queuing around you which should happen more and more at higher levels, then you are gonna get more asian players and playing with more lag. And idk for sure, but nintendo saying the asian division is asian might make it likelier for the host console to be chosen from Asia which equals more lag for western players.
(Host console is basically some player's console in the match and replaces a server in splatoon matches which use peer-to-peer connection)
@@kokoroc.7559 a lot of people seem to forget that its not just japan in tako. Australia, New Zealand and many others are there too. from what ive seen, to reach the players people seek you need 3000 power to be in that level. if you are 2300, i dont think it would be that worth it bc you will be around 1700. if your tentatek then it could be worthwile seapping if you have 2700 & you may be able to see some returns from the change
@@kokoroc.7559technically true but that doesn’t mean it is worth swapping
Using statistics, in almost every rank there is 4 Japanese players to 1 western(estimated data from splatfest 2 up until comedy vs action)
Given that rank X doesn’t prioritize matchmaking, not all Japanese players are better than mid level
There are as many players in Japan better then this player and as many as worse; gem made a video explaining the viewers to not fear a player because they are Japanese.
What I am trying to say, changing to takoroka can also pair you up with Japanese players worse than you too.
If everyone swapped we return to what Splatoon 2 was but with extra steps.
so glad i am aussie :3 always chose takoroka
idk if i’m stupid, but how and when do we change our division ?
Beginning of the season
it is somewhat disappointing that this is the optimal solution to the system that nintendo created, but i dont blame anyone for making that choice. I personally prioritize lag and wish there was a system that let people play across divisions.
How do you switch your region?
Top level soloq is a myth, i agree there is lots to learn but at a certain point theres just nothing to learn, no matter the division.
I’m confused about what Gem means about “Tentatek Division.” Is that just the western version of X battles?
There are two divisions of X Battles you can choose, Tentatek and Takoraka. Ttek is geared towards NA/EU, Tako is geared towards JP.
@@NihlusLB ah, I see.
Takaroka is absolutely horrible. I’ve been put 12 ranks lower than my peak power wise (X->A+) just for switching divisions.
It won’t even allow me the power I’ve consistently hung around in Splatoon 2 for years. There are also a lot more bad players in Takaroka proportional to more good players, so getting bad teammates in low elo is more likely in Takaroka. I’m leaving the Takaroka division
Hi! I don't like to complain about bad teammates but me too I'm tired of being the only one having the best k/d ratio and the most paint at the end of most of my matches. Last season I had a lower score than before, inimaginable that lost skill, I'm sure all the good players left the region and went into the Japan one, leaving a lower skill level in this one. I'm curious to hear if you've actually joined the Japan region, if it is better or overall what do you think about it, because I still haven't choose a region for this season yet
Have a nice day!
Bro basically said, “Respectfully? Most of y’all are trash and that’s okay, this video isn’t for you.” 😂
No kidding.
… Personally, I find it surprising that, considering how Gem keeps hyping up Japaneese players and bashing every other region, there are still anywhere near 1000 players playing Splatoon outside of japan.
… Just saying this here because that “beaten up” feeling was the most prevalent from after watching this video.
At this point we may as well just play pickup scrims
Hard to setup or find (at least for me)
Might actually switch
Would switching division mean I can't play with my friends if they don't switch too?
X rank is solo though?
@@Jimblemimble That's my question: It only affects X-Rank? So anarchy open or salmon run could still match with people in tentatek div(at least on my friend list)? In my head that's unlikely, but because I just don't know I asked.
@@alyssa_vatalth the divs are only for X rank
How do I get more points from my placement? Is there a trick, I did win out of 20 placement matches 18, with an average kd. Of 14/3 and played almost in every game the Objective. I never got ranked higher then 2200. Is there something I can do about it, cause I had friends winning 4/5 tc games and got ranked at 2500.
I think it has something to do with past performance where if you were low power like 1900 it might not bump your power that much even if you win all games
Yikes. Tentatek being "a ghost town" doesn't bode well for the longevity of the game. 😢
Wouldn't it cause even more lag?
Yes. But hey. You still practice against more players on your skill level
I never reached S+ because i don't feel motivated playing Series Lately sense my first S+ Attempt on Fresh Season then 0-3, because of matchmaking, and if i do X Battles, i might go with Takoroka Devision, but i am in NA, i'm from the US Also. I wish i can keep S because of every season, D Rank to A+.
Then what's the point of having two divisions?
I love how this game continues to get better
Japan always gets their games a few months early so they’re gonna dominate. Same thing w fighting games, they’re always at least 2 months ahead
You'd call me top level right? 🥺🥺
So do you need to switch language to Japanese ???
No
Because EU X Is a clownfiesta
TTek as a whole is a clown-fest. Calcs are inconsistent at best given a constant Win-Loss ratio, and the players within either play like 1700 or 2700; No in-betweens.
guess it's time to get that silver medal by doing things the cheap way LOL
I like watching high level players play splatoon and pretend i can reach their level.
I'm top 500 in rainmaker with the aerospray lol that should give an example of how garbage can the players are in Tentatek