B For me, talking usually means bluff, and silently staring at the table or putting on an obvious "poker face" usually means value. Not always of course but a lot more than not. Laughing and talking and trying to look comfortable just means you're not for some reason. Especially if drunk
@KPS It's a very interesting hand. I doubt very seriously that this young man is feeling picked on. It might be a little bit more painful if Doug had called, and/or if Jonathan had said that he would have definitely called. The guy got his bluff through and it was clear that he really put Doug to the test. If he hadn't talked (which is the most obvious advise to take from this kind of video), he Doug very-well may have called.
The live tell that Jonathan doesn't mention in this video is the instant all in. An instant all in when the nuts change on the river, is a pretty reliable tell for a bluff. Generally, I think people talk more with value, however, listening to his tonality when talking about Polk calling versus folding, tips this talk to "Please don't call me." IMHO. One of the reasons I like this tell so much is that it's very hard for it to be a reverse tell. Even if you make Queens full on the river, you're going to want to think about the right amount to bet. If you had the nut flush, you're going to at least think about if your opponent has the bluff. People seem to think a fast bet means a strong hand, because a long pause can certainly indicate weakness, however, an instant bet on a nut changing river, is almost always a bluff. If it weren't for this tell, I'd probably fold pretty quickly. When considering what the amateur "wants him to do." The early discussion leans me towards the idea he wants Doug to fold. At about 6:53, he says something like, "I think you are folding," but when I first heard it I thought he said, "I though you were going to fold." I get the impression that the second statement is closer to what is actually going through his head. One of the problems with this hand (from Polk's standpoint) is that he doesn't beat all bluffs. That said, there aren't very many that make sense. Perhaps A3 with the A of Spades. That said, if he was bluffing with the best hand, his behavior would have significantly changed once Doug exposed his cards. Also, when Doug said he had the Ace of spades, the drunk guy's response pretty much confirmed that he didn't have it. Quickly claiming the Ace of spades (as Doug does) was a fantastic bit of game. No matter how the opponent answers, there's a good chance for a read. This is especially true with a drunk and/or amateur player. In that position, it seems highly unlikely they wouldn't check their cards if they only had one spade. If they had both, they may know it, however, they'd probably still respond differently than what's demonstrated here. I'm definitely going to use this in the future when someone tries to claim the suited Ace. It's way better than what I hear most of the time which is, "I know you don't have the Ace of Spades." which is supposed to subtly imply that you have it and almost always means the opposite. When people say that, I like to say, "It should be a pretty easy call then." or "I'm surprised you haven't called yet." Again, the timing is important, though, as an instant, natural response makes these kinds of statements seem very strong.
I reverse this tell usually by tanking a bit more on the turn and thinking of what cards to snap jam on the river. I usually get snapped by hands that wouldn't call imo, what you say is probably why.
"Quickly claiming the Ace of spades (as Doug does) was a fantastic bit of game." think this and putting his hand face up is what gets him in trouble actually, he calls the ace of spades and the drunk player defers and then he calls king of diamonds and the drunk calls him for ace of diamonds king of diamonds and then polk tables his hand and you can see the drunk player freak out a bit then be very relaxed cos he goes 'oh my god hes got me beat, oh wait i forgot im bluffing so i knew i was beat the whole time and AK high is almost the best i could have hoped for and unlikely to actually call" and i think polk picks up on the drunk player seeming to be dismissing the ace of spades out of hand, in a way that looks very hard to act but is probably just him forgetting what was said, added to his very blase manner and make the assumption that he's likely beaten or chopping with an offsuit AK with a busted flush draw, which makes a hard call that bit harder, if he give more credence to the ace of spades all he's beating is AJ/A10 maybe A6 offsuit cards that miss. even random A with low kicker beat him and could see those played as bluffs, someone with A2/3/4 with a missed spade draw playing it as A5 assuming they're not good.
"which is supposed to subtly imply that you have it and almost always means the opposite" - So which cup is the poison in? And is either player Sicilian with death on the line? LOL.
with a whole lot of people the instant all in when board changes does correlate to bluffs at a large %. also this guy, if somebody stopped right after he went all in (while you were at the table) and laid a price on whether that guy throws up (or has to run away from table to throw up) prior to doug's river action (calling or folding) what price would you need to accept that bet? the longer it goes the more drunk he seems (which could be an act, admittedly).
@@jasonbatteiger2421 You can't base anything on someone being drunk. Some people play a lot better drunk. I mean when it comes down to it, Doug had Q high. Even if the guy was drunk out of his skull and making dumb decisions, he could still have K high.
I think it doesn’t matter what they are saying especially when they are inebriated. They tend to become more truthful. I know that people will talk a lot when they are trying to bait someone into a call but this feels like this drunk gentleman is trying really hard to talk doug into a fold.
Last year I started trying to add the limp raise to my opens. I've had the most success with it when I see someone else at the table limp folding. Makes me want to limp raise, if possible, from early position where there are the most people behind looking to squeeze the "dead money" from the bad player or players limping preflop. Another thing is that so far for me EVERY limp 3 bet has been called, so when you do this try making it bigger than a usual 3 bet The problem with it is that sometimes people just limp behind and you never get the raise in and go 4-5 ways to a flop with your premium hand and have no idea where you are at because the BB and everyone can have anything
And in those situations you have lost the minimum 1 BB bet so it's no big deal to fold A's after a 5-way flop. I always ask myself each hour "how does the table perceive my play if they're paying attention?". If the answer is limp/folding or limp/calling then I would take the limp/raise approach if there's a good chance of someone raising you in a later position. If it's a table full of fish that only raise with bigger hands, then you must raise to avoid those situations and get paid by the 1-2 players that think their hand is best. If the table perceives me as being agressive, then the limp/raise strategy won't work because it will draw a HUGE flag from those paying attention to betting habbits :) I like to start with limp/call limp/raise strategies to start with, then switch gears 1/2 hour to an hour later after I've played a certain way.
@@brianpotter2812 it's ok to limp whatever from UTG when someone aggressive sits after you. I limp almost everything from EP and fold some hands as well when it's too much action, and it costs me 1bb. At the table full of regs the only way to play your 76s from UTG is to limp these, call a slightly higher raise from IP opponent and see the flop I wouldn't have seen if raised and folded to a 3-bet
@@brianpotter2812 You can look at it as only losing 1BB but you also have to think about the opportunity cost of what could have happened if you had just opened like you're supposed to and taken the flop heads up or 3 way and ended up winning it like what should normally happen if you didn't "misplay" the hand pre
Captain hindsight here. @ 11:40 When Doug mentioned he was thinking of calling, Adams demeanour significantly changed from talking a lot with hand gestures and even touching him to suddenly being quiet, hiding in his cup, not wanting to look at him at all, turning away from Doug even for a while only to change his body position yet again to laying his head on the table, completely avoiding Dougs gaze. Couple that to Adam clearly lying about his hand, In hindsight, he should have acted on that and make the call.
Fascinating, I always considered it lame to limp/raise pre-flop, but I will add your strategy of occasionally doing it with a big hand and see how that goes. Is there a better position for this action? I loved how Doug handled the show with a smile. I hope Helmuth see it. LOL
Just make sure that you mix him some marginal suited connectors in with the AK or AA's types of hands otherwise it will be read VERY easily by observant players.
@@brianpotter2812 Good point, thank you. I am still hoping to hear if this is better in one position or another. I would think early position as some at the table will assume you must have a better hand.
Certainly an advanced poker skill to do it in a balanced way. Much easier to have a no-limp strategy. Until you are trying to wring every last bb/hour out of the game, I'd stay away from it.
I think it depends on what they are saying. However it seems from Adam's speech play that he doesn't want to be called... indicating a bluff. It's one of the reasons that I never say anything when I make a polarizing bet; I don't want anyone to know when they are 'safe' to call or fold.
And how do you decipher a drunk player? They may unintentionally give you their cards, but then again they may have the nuts and not even realize it, lol.
what does it mean? -depends on the player... and if they're trying to Level you... i think when he steals the all-in plaque is where i am more inclined to call... (he wants a memento of this hand ... knowing that he's leaving w/ nothing) there are a lot of strength tells from him, so i'm more inclined to think strong = weak.
I've played with plenty of inebriated people who were slurring and crouching. Normally when they do this, esp if they are recreational, they got it but sometimes the liquor can give u the guts to bluff a tricky board if you let it. Let's see what happened...
This was fun to watch. Interesting to see a limping strategy start to become more implementable. Something I’ve seen DNegs doing quite a bit from EP. It’s hard to think about implementing one after learning so much about why you shouldn’t limp
That's the way complicated games with so much variance like this go. One minute everyone is SURE you should play one way....then the "new school" comes around and it changes, then it changes again...etc. Why I love this game!
@@nikolaykomissarenko7822 did I say Doug was in EP? Read what I said. Clearly I said it’s something DNegs has been doing from EP. Meaning that DNegs has a limping strategy that he implements in EP. Attacking my comment was the best you could contribute?
@@_justcallme23 "Interesting to see a limping strategy start to become more implementable." That is a direct reference to Doug limping and Little saying its a good strategy.
@@nikolaykomissarenko7822 and how does he not limp into the second straddle? You’re right about it being similar to a bvb situation. In this case it FOLDS all the way around to Doug who is now basically the SB. He calls instead of raises or folds. Ergo it’s a limp. I feel like you’re now just trying to pick at my comment real hard. At first it was “he’s not in EP” and now you just have to go after the conversation of it being a limp or not. Anyways, it’s most definitely considered a limp
First of all, I have never seen Adam played before. So I assume he is just a drunk armature player. That means there are no reverse tells or advance speech plays. I have come across this situation quite a lot in both my local cardroom and also in home games. The drunk player will shove, if not got snap then will talk endlessly. It's not necessary pure bluffing, but they have a weak hand but turned their hand into a bluff. Their range almost never have boats, tips or flushes, but their range will include a lot of hands they should check the river. In general their range will be any 2,3,4 or pure air. If we have 55+, its automatic call. Somehow AK is a bit tricky, don't be surprise Adam turn over 72, and we will look like an idiot.
During a session I categorize players based on their talking as either telling the truth about their hands or lying. Minus that info I tend to totally disregard what they say.
Its verbal, its like betting out of turn, if then the guy whos turn it is, decides to BET that out of turn guy can call/fold not raise. If he checks, the out of turn bet comes, then he decides to RAISE yhen he can have all 3 options.
@CameraOnDoug lets use numbers: UTG raise to 15, HJ makes its 45 OOT, for me everyone would know thats the action that would take place in the future. So after UTG lets say LJ raises to 45, HJ cant take their money back so they have to call, (0 more). If LJ makes it like 80, then HJ can either call 35 more or fold, 45 is commited. If LJ calls 15, HJ pre raise to 45, UTG folds, LJ NOW raises to 200, HJ has all 3 options available. Never heard of money back.
I'm pretty sure that's exactly what happened. Inner doug wanted to snap call but public doug knows someone would start some twitter rant about how he's a scumbag. Cause it is kind of shitty even though if he was just another guy at the table, who cares 🤷♂️
@@mrhumble2937 No it's a good question. It depends on the structure and % of the rake, but a lot of times you're incentivized to take it down pre-flop before they take rake and you also lose value. Limping can be a disaster if the BB checks back, thus losing value AND paying rake.
Just a quick example - at Foxwoods 1/2, they take $2 on the flop NO matter what. So if the SB limps and the BB checks, the pot goes from $4 to $2 instantly.
If they talk often in a hand then they probably have a bluff because baseline, they talk and the times they aren’t are rare and correlate with the rareness of big hands
Agree. The only thing he should have to worry about in this situation is a queen or a pocket pair. With those ranges in mind, statistically speaking he should probably have made a 1/2 pot size bet or more.
@@brianpotter2812 his big 3bet pre got called so villains hands contains a lot of broadway cards with a Q, pocket pairs and suited hands. Even if villain is unpaired(no A) but with a spade he'd have 32% equity. Doug has no spades so it'd be total air bluff into a villain who already called him twice. If he bets half pot can he fold for 4-5k more if he gets shoved on to win 27k pot? It was probably right move to give up on that turn card vs risking 3x+ he had invested at that point with nothing. River is a tossup though. Villain jamming so quick when board paired and flush out there is suspect. Makes it less likely he had a queen and if he did, he'd probably think about it. Also he is almost never jamming that river with under pocket pairs which removes a bunch of hands that could have been beating Doug.
Has anyone seen those commercials that talk about crappy t-shirts where the collar is stretched too far or the shirt makes you look fat? Doug is rich and somehow he has one of those lame t-shirts from those commercials.
In my experience when ppl talk, they actually don’t lie. They skirt around it or they’ll just tell u “u should fold” or “u should call”. So i listen to that n just make my move. 😁
Look at Doug's eyes. He better be careful. Someone is going to catch on and read his bluffs. His eyes blinking, his body motion. Look at videos of him not bluffing. He is a bit more confident in his body language and his eyes aren't blinking as fast and frequently.
Mike Caro famously said "Figure out what your opponents want, then disappoint them." You did a great job of saying how it wasn't clear which way Doug was leaning. I think if it gets that close, then maybe you do send a clear message one way or the other. If they shut up, then they like the way you're leaning. If they chatter, they probably want the other thing. I don't know if Adam would have fallen for it or not (he was absurdly drunk, honestly, probably too drunk to be allowed to remain at the table). But given that you're on the fence, try it and do whatever signal you get. Can't be worse than blind guessing.
What do YOU think it means when your opponent becomes more talkative?
A) Value
B) Bluff
B
For me, talking usually means bluff, and silently staring at the table or putting on an obvious "poker face" usually means value. Not always of course but a lot more than not. Laughing and talking and trying to look comfortable just means you're not for some reason. Especially if drunk
Could be either but from experience they usually try to talk you into doing the opposite of what they really want you to do.
@kps7174 this is something that can happen i think its fine to address it
@kps7174 If you constantly find that why don't you just not watch instead of whining about it?
@KPS It's a very interesting hand. I doubt very seriously that this young man is feeling picked on. It might be a little bit more painful if Doug had called, and/or if Jonathan had said that he would have definitely called. The guy got his bluff through and it was clear that he really put Doug to the test. If he hadn't talked (which is the most obvious advise to take from this kind of video), he Doug very-well may have called.
The live tell that Jonathan doesn't mention in this video is the instant all in. An instant all in when the nuts change on the river, is a pretty reliable tell for a bluff. Generally, I think people talk more with value, however, listening to his tonality when talking about Polk calling versus folding, tips this talk to "Please don't call me." IMHO.
One of the reasons I like this tell so much is that it's very hard for it to be a reverse tell. Even if you make Queens full on the river, you're going to want to think about the right amount to bet. If you had the nut flush, you're going to at least think about if your opponent has the bluff. People seem to think a fast bet means a strong hand, because a long pause can certainly indicate weakness, however, an instant bet on a nut changing river, is almost always a bluff.
If it weren't for this tell, I'd probably fold pretty quickly.
When considering what the amateur "wants him to do." The early discussion leans me towards the idea he wants Doug to fold. At about 6:53, he says something like, "I think you are folding," but when I first heard it I thought he said, "I though you were going to fold." I get the impression that the second statement is closer to what is actually going through his head.
One of the problems with this hand (from Polk's standpoint) is that he doesn't beat all bluffs. That said, there aren't very many that make sense. Perhaps A3 with the A of Spades. That said, if he was bluffing with the best hand, his behavior would have significantly changed once Doug exposed his cards. Also, when Doug said he had the Ace of spades, the drunk guy's response pretty much confirmed that he didn't have it.
Quickly claiming the Ace of spades (as Doug does) was a fantastic bit of game. No matter how the opponent answers, there's a good chance for a read. This is especially true with a drunk and/or amateur player. In that position, it seems highly unlikely they wouldn't check their cards if they only had one spade. If they had both, they may know it, however, they'd probably still respond differently than what's demonstrated here.
I'm definitely going to use this in the future when someone tries to claim the suited Ace. It's way better than what I hear most of the time which is, "I know you don't have the Ace of Spades." which is supposed to subtly imply that you have it and almost always means the opposite. When people say that, I like to say, "It should be a pretty easy call then." or "I'm surprised you haven't called yet." Again, the timing is important, though, as an instant, natural response makes these kinds of statements seem very strong.
I reverse this tell usually by tanking a bit more on the turn and thinking of what cards to snap jam on the river. I usually get snapped by hands that wouldn't call imo, what you say is probably why.
"Quickly claiming the Ace of spades (as Doug does) was a fantastic bit of game." think this and putting his hand face up is what gets him in trouble actually, he calls the ace of spades and the drunk player defers and then he calls king of diamonds and the drunk calls him for ace of diamonds king of diamonds and then polk tables his hand and you can see the drunk player freak out a bit then be very relaxed cos he goes 'oh my god hes got me beat, oh wait i forgot im bluffing so i knew i was beat the whole time and AK high is almost the best i could have hoped for and unlikely to actually call" and i think polk picks up on the drunk player seeming to be dismissing the ace of spades out of hand, in a way that looks very hard to act but is probably just him forgetting what was said, added to his very blase manner and make the assumption that he's likely beaten or chopping with an offsuit AK with a busted flush draw, which makes a hard call that bit harder, if he give more credence to the ace of spades all he's beating is AJ/A10 maybe A6 offsuit cards that miss. even random A with low kicker beat him and could see those played as bluffs, someone with A2/3/4 with a missed spade draw playing it as A5 assuming they're not good.
"which is supposed to subtly imply that you have it and almost always means the opposite" - So which cup is the poison in? And is either player Sicilian with death on the line? LOL.
with a whole lot of people the instant all in when board changes does correlate to bluffs at a large %. also this guy, if somebody stopped right after he went all in (while you were at the table) and laid a price on whether that guy throws up (or has to run away from table to throw up) prior to doug's river action (calling or folding) what price would you need to accept that bet? the longer it goes the more drunk he seems (which could be an act, admittedly).
@@jasonbatteiger2421 You can't base anything on someone being drunk. Some people play a lot better drunk. I mean when it comes down to it, Doug had Q high. Even if the guy was drunk out of his skull and making dumb decisions, he could still have K high.
I think it doesn’t matter what they are saying especially when they are inebriated. They tend to become more truthful. I know that people will talk a lot when they are trying to bait someone into a call but this feels like this drunk gentleman is trying really hard to talk doug into a fold.
Last year I started trying to add the limp raise to my opens. I've had the most success with it when I see someone else at the table limp folding. Makes me want to limp raise, if possible, from early position where there are the most people behind looking to squeeze the "dead money" from the bad player or players limping preflop. Another thing is that so far for me EVERY limp 3 bet has been called, so when you do this try making it bigger than a usual 3 bet
The problem with it is that sometimes people just limp behind and you never get the raise in and go 4-5 ways to a flop with your premium hand and have no idea where you are at because the BB and everyone can have anything
And in those situations you have lost the minimum 1 BB bet so it's no big deal to fold A's after a 5-way flop. I always ask myself each hour "how does the table perceive my play if they're paying attention?". If the answer is limp/folding or limp/calling then I would take the limp/raise approach if there's a good chance of someone raising you in a later position. If it's a table full of fish that only raise with bigger hands, then you must raise to avoid those situations and get paid by the 1-2 players that think their hand is best.
If the table perceives me as being agressive, then the limp/raise strategy won't work because it will draw a HUGE flag from those paying attention to betting habbits :) I like to start with limp/call limp/raise strategies to start with, then switch gears 1/2 hour to an hour later after I've played a certain way.
@@brianpotter2812 it's ok to limp whatever from UTG when someone aggressive sits after you. I limp almost everything from EP and fold some hands as well when it's too much action, and it costs me 1bb. At the table full of regs the only way to play your 76s from UTG is to limp these, call a slightly higher raise from IP opponent and see the flop I wouldn't have seen if raised and folded to a 3-bet
@@brianpotter2812 You can look at it as only losing 1BB but you also have to think about the opportunity cost of what could have happened if you had just opened like you're supposed to and taken the flop heads up or 3 way and ended up winning it like what should normally happen if you didn't "misplay" the hand pre
Captain hindsight here. @ 11:40 When Doug mentioned he was thinking of calling, Adams demeanour significantly changed from talking a lot with hand gestures and even touching him to suddenly being quiet, hiding in his cup, not wanting to look at him at all, turning away from Doug even for a while only to change his body position yet again to laying his head on the table, completely avoiding Dougs gaze. Couple that to Adam clearly lying about his hand, In hindsight, he should have acted on that and make the call.
Love how engaged Doug is, even though it's not that much money for him 😂
Adam told Doug the truth! He said "if you call I lose, if you fold I win"! 12:48 Then proceeded to say he can't win the hand.
Fascinating, I always considered it lame to limp/raise pre-flop, but I will add your strategy of occasionally doing it with a big hand and see how that goes. Is there a better position for this action? I loved how Doug handled the show with a smile. I hope Helmuth see it. LOL
Just make sure that you mix him some marginal suited connectors in with the AK or AA's types of hands otherwise it will be read VERY easily by observant players.
Then cry about getting beat because of your limp...
I absolutely love limp raising post-flop.
@@brianpotter2812 Good point, thank you. I am still hoping to hear if this is better in one position or another. I would think early position as some at the table will assume you must have a better hand.
Certainly an advanced poker skill to do it in a balanced way. Much easier to have a no-limp strategy. Until you are trying to wring every last bb/hour out of the game, I'd stay away from it.
I think it depends on what they are saying. However it seems from Adam's speech play that he doesn't want to be called... indicating a bluff. It's one of the reasons that I never say anything when I make a polarizing bet; I don't want anyone to know when they are 'safe' to call or fold.
It all depends on his history, but if he’s faking being drunker than he is, I’ve found that they want you to call so I’d have folded.
And how do you decipher a drunk player? They may unintentionally give you their cards, but then again they may have the nuts and not even realize it, lol.
Love how polite JL is!😂
what does it mean? -depends on the player... and if they're trying to Level you...
i think when he steals the all-in plaque is where i am more inclined to call... (he wants a memento of this hand ... knowing that he's leaving w/ nothing) there are a lot of strength tells from him, so i'm more inclined to think strong = weak.
He's pretty drunk, I think he's just rambling. Sometimes I do this lmao
I've played with plenty of inebriated people who were slurring and crouching. Normally when they do this, esp if they are recreational, they got it but sometimes the liquor can give u the guts to bluff a tricky board if you let it. Let's see what happened...
This was fun to watch. Interesting to see a limping strategy start to become more implementable. Something I’ve seen DNegs doing quite a bit from EP. It’s hard to think about implementing one after learning so much about why you shouldn’t limp
That's the way complicated games with so much variance like this go. One minute everyone is SURE you should play one way....then the "new school" comes around and it changes, then it changes again...etc. Why I love this game!
Its not an open limp from EP, doug is in the first staddle with 1 player behind its more like a small blind type scenario
@@nikolaykomissarenko7822 did I say Doug was in EP? Read what I said. Clearly I said it’s something DNegs has been doing from EP. Meaning that DNegs has a limping strategy that he implements in EP. Attacking my comment was the best you could contribute?
@@_justcallme23 "Interesting to see a limping strategy start to become more implementable." That is a direct reference to Doug limping and Little saying its a good strategy.
@@nikolaykomissarenko7822 and how does he not limp into the second straddle? You’re right about it being similar to a bvb situation. In this case it FOLDS all the way around to Doug who is now basically the SB. He calls instead of raises or folds. Ergo it’s a limp. I feel like you’re now just trying to pick at my comment real hard. At first it was “he’s not in EP” and now you just have to go after the conversation of it being a limp or not. Anyways, it’s most definitely considered a limp
"not that many words left in the dictionary", somebody's line at the 13:40ish mark, hilarious.
First of all, I have never seen Adam played before. So I assume he is just a drunk armature player. That means there are no reverse tells or advance speech plays. I have come across this situation quite a lot in both my local cardroom and also in home games. The drunk player will shove, if not got snap then will talk endlessly. It's not necessary pure bluffing, but they have a weak hand but turned their hand into a bluff. Their range almost never have boats, tips or flushes, but their range will include a lot of hands they should check the river. In general their range will be any 2,3,4 or pure air. If we have 55+, its automatic call. Somehow AK is a bit tricky, don't be surprise Adam turn over 72, and we will look like an idiot.
Yea he calls if he has any pair I think. AK just weak
Most Likely Value...Shows that he is quite comfortable...!!
When speaking, the drunk talk about all the value he could have, I would call. Drunk person often make all-in bluff on river.
I have seen that guy Adam legless on stream before, where he blew his stack...Still hard to call imo
Talkative players usually have made hands.
During a session I categorize players based on their talking as either telling the truth about their hands or lying. Minus that info I tend to totally disregard what they say.
Basically telling the table he doesn’t have the As actually helped him even tho that was just an accident because no As removes several bluff combos
DAMM HE REALLY GOT INTO HIS HEAD 😂😂😂❤
If you say all in out of turn, are you forced to go all in?
Yes.
Its verbal, its like betting out of turn, if then the guy whos turn it is, decides to BET that out of turn guy can call/fold not raise. If he checks, the out of turn bet comes, then he decides to RAISE yhen he can have all 3 options.
Usually, but it depends on the venue.
@CameraOnDoug lets use numbers: UTG raise to 15, HJ makes its 45 OOT, for me everyone would know thats the action that would take place in the future. So after UTG lets say LJ raises to 45, HJ cant take their money back so they have to call, (0 more). If LJ makes it like 80, then HJ can either call 35 more or fold, 45 is commited.
If LJ calls 15, HJ pre raise to 45, UTG folds, LJ NOW raises to 200, HJ has all 3 options available. Never heard of money back.
If I were Doug I'd fold so as not to take advantage of a drunk guy and then have Adam removed from the table and sent wherever he came from in a taxi.
I'm pretty sure that's exactly what happened. Inner doug wanted to snap call but public doug knows someone would start some twitter rant about how he's a scumbag. Cause it is kind of shitty even though if he was just another guy at the table, who cares 🤷♂️
As soon as he said he should call, he should have. Obvious attempt at a reverse tell by a drunk!
Great hand all around 😂
Lodge doesn't have a rake, but would we want to limp AK here if the game was raked?
Why does that matter? Not being sarcastic not sure how rake works.
@@mrhumble2937 No it's a good question. It depends on the structure and % of the rake, but a lot of times you're incentivized to take it down pre-flop before they take rake and you also lose value. Limping can be a disaster if the BB checks back, thus losing value AND paying rake.
Just a quick example - at Foxwoods 1/2, they take $2 on the flop NO matter what. So if the SB limps and the BB checks, the pot goes from $4 to $2 instantly.
@@mrhumble2937
Most casinos take a rake percentage off every pot, some do fixed amounts
The rake is often smaller if you win pre-flop
If they talk often in a hand then they probably have a bluff because baseline, they talk and the times they aren’t are rare and correlate with the rareness of big hands
Tough decision without the spade blocker.
even with a blocker
Thought he was calling.
this video would have been even better if we didn't know Adam's hand. (Of course, those who happened to see this hand live would know 🤷🏼♂)
I was begging Doug to call. Lol.
I feel like Doug should have kept the pressure going on the turn or bet higher on the flop (4K).
Agree. The only thing he should have to worry about in this situation is a queen or a pocket pair. With those ranges in mind, statistically speaking he should probably have made a 1/2 pot size bet or more.
@@brianpotter2812 his big 3bet pre got called so villains hands contains a lot of broadway cards with a Q, pocket pairs and suited hands. Even if villain is unpaired(no A) but with a spade he'd have 32% equity. Doug has no spades so it'd be total air bluff into a villain who already called him twice. If he bets half pot can he fold for 4-5k more if he gets shoved on to win 27k pot? It was probably right move to give up on that turn card vs risking 3x+ he had invested at that point with nothing. River is a tossup though. Villain jamming so quick when board paired and flush out there is suspect. Makes it less likely he had a queen and if he did, he'd probably think about it. Also he is almost never jamming that river with under pocket pairs which removes a bunch of hands that could have been beating Doug.
Depends on the person...if it's Daniel Negreau there's no telling!!! LOL
Has anyone seen those commercials that talk about crappy t-shirts where the collar is stretched too far or the shirt makes you look fat? Doug is rich and somehow he has one of those lame t-shirts from those commercials.
I hate to say it. Doug look really nice without the fauxhawk.
Wooooooow that was wild
Typically talkers are stronger than non-speakers
You literally gave the Princess Bride poisoned wine scenario as an option to guess
Amazing the other player became sober after the fold!
totally player and context dependent
If he's really as drunk as he appears to be, is it really ethical to let him gamble?
efan says NO
In my experience when ppl talk, they actually don’t lie. They skirt around it or they’ll just tell u “u should fold” or “u should call”. So i listen to that n just make my move. 😁
Look at Doug's eyes. He better be careful. Someone is going to catch on and read his bluffs. His eyes blinking, his body motion. Look at videos of him not bluffing. He is a bit more confident in his body language and his eyes aren't blinking as fast and frequently.
Yikes, ive been drunk at the table but never that bad 😄
Talking always means weaker when I play.
25-50-100-200 and plastic grass? Seriously?
Mike Caro famously said "Figure out what your opponents want, then disappoint them."
You did a great job of saying how it wasn't clear which way Doug was leaning. I think if it gets that close, then maybe you do send a clear message one way or the other. If they shut up, then they like the way you're leaning. If they chatter, they probably want the other thing.
I don't know if Adam would have fallen for it or not (he was absurdly drunk, honestly, probably too drunk to be allowed to remain at the table). But given that you're on the fence, try it and do whatever signal you get. Can't be worse than blind guessing.
Seemed to comfortable, I would fold
i dont think casino´s should allow a person to play when he or she is that drunk
Casino would lose crazy money. They give free drinks for a reason.
i fold too
no gto will never limp raise
Lol, hilarious hand
blufff
Thanks for admitting 3 years later that limp from EP is an option 🙂
If you plan to 3 bet, if you know someone will open. Was a terrible play if someone else just limps
Bro… that’s clearly not what was said! 😂 did you understand that there was only one player to talk after him?! 😂😂😂 f..in fish 🐠 😂
@@Lemoneshade you are commenting something you do not understand
@@br4insful
Its not an open limp from EP, he was in the first straddle with 1 player behind its very different.
@@nikolaykomissarenko7822 then listen mr. Little's comment once again.
He folds
Funny
🙂👍
= acting drunk?
i would have folded, hes acting perfectly drunk for me.