Scrap, I just want you to know that in the last three years, I've raised both of my baby boys watching you. You were my OG in those late night bottle feedings, and now for building with scrap breakfast. My boys love you and know your intro better than any kids song. I greatly appreciate that you keep your channel kid friendly without cursing, please don't stop, you do great work and you have gotten several channels started and that alone is respectful. Love you brother.
I may be a kid, i loved watching scrapman while bottle feeding my brother at 4:00 AM, then staying up late enough to watch a new release right when it comes out 😂
I’ve been watching scrap man for years, and everyday, once u get home, I sit down and watch the newest scrapman video. Thanks for making videos for all of us, thank you, thank the editor, and thanks to to the entire team. Also, thanks for inspiring me to do TH-cam.
To create a circle with rectangular pieces, you could try an oval generator with the 2:1 proportions. Oh, and adding thrusters to the ring to make it turn would be fun too. 🙃
Tips to make your own circle, dont start from 1 point and end on the other point but instead start symetrically on both point so you can shape it even more symetrical
since it is not perfectly centered and even, one point is slightly more attracted than the other, causing it to eventually break. what you need, is spin rotation! make the ring ORBIT!!!
A solid, stationary ring is going to be naturally unstable; any point that falls a little closer to the planetoid is going to experience more down-force, while the opposite side is going to start experiencing less, meaning that as it falls out of position it's only pulled further out of position. You're going to have to spin it at roughly orbital speed to make it do what you're after.
@@aivarsgraudins8423 F = G((m1(m2))/r1) The gravitational field weakens based on *any* distance between the masses affecting each other; ergo this is a concern at any distance. If you do not use other forces to attempt to stabilize it, it is naturally unstable. This is a well-known problem with Dyson rings and similar futuristic theoretical structures.
@@aivarsgraudins8423 And this is a video game... And the Gs on the asteroid in the video game drop as soon as you get the tiniest bit away from the surface. As easily seen in the beginning of the video.
Do the concrete barriers carry the momentum that their spawner has? Cause if not they'll just fall towards the asteroid without moving. But if they do then I can definitely see this idea working!
@@bananatheo3796 they appear to defy gravity in previous versions so it should work if concrete barriers didn't change. The tricky part would be having enough of em around the orbit before it reaches the item spawn limit.
For the curve of the circle, I figure you were gonna have to divide each section of 2x4 into 2s cause each block doesnt exactly translate when using rectangles. As someone else said with the oval generator. Scrappers I think you should revisit this in another episode
I found it requires a lot of logistics while working out the blocks. I did a simple 10 radius circle and it took a min to even get that down. With the generator, it takes a lot of time but I still could see it working with the 2x4s @@tobiahderijk2274
if you view the 2x2 as the square the 4x2 would just be two steps at a time. and everytime an odd number is required you could just use the 2x2. so using the circle generator with those pieces is totally viable. :)
I'm actually kind of surprised that the ring stayed so stable. With the creation being so large, I thought maybe the gravity would've pulled some video game logic on you and resorted to latching onto the original starting block or something to avoid letting the physics calculations get too complex, but it seems the devs accounted for that If you do anything more with this concept in the future, it might be worth using the glow block skin to help the ring stand out more against the backdrop of space (and it would make it look pretty neat, you could even turn it into a massive, orbiting rainbow). And, a couple other people have mentioned it, but it'd be interested to see how the ring behaves with thrusters attached. Perhaps it could even be turned into some sort of planetary defense system, using the last 70 or so blocks to make something like a giant, controllable, orbital space cannon
Ever notice how Scrapman insists on using the smallest blocks possible when building for part limits? You can span exponentially more distance with 4x8s than 2x4s... Now he's just got to figure out how aspect ratios work and maybe the pixel map might make more sense 😜
Yeah, that always pains me a bit, especially when he battles his friends and uses up half of his build limit just to make the base of his vehicle 😂 Though it does show how determined he is to accomplish what he sets out for, that's good
Day, like 5 (my phone screen broke and ive only just got it replaced) of: I've got 3 ideas for you, 1: Player 1 builds a plane with wheels on the tips of the wings. Player 2 makes a runway with two lanes and a gap in between. Then land the plane on that runway. 2: Build a plane which can transform into a submarine upon contact with the water (like, wings turn in and stuff). 3: Test yours and your friends building skills by turning animals into a vehicles (maybe multiple animals per person but that might be too time consuming). Points for form and points for function
@@whocaresreallly5886 Yeah, a Rungworld is a bunch of planetary objects connected in a ring-like ladder shape, while a dyson swarm is more of an orbiting cloud shape
@@whocaresreallly5886 The long rings of a rungworld aren't really holding them together because of the orbit, but can transport goods and power in a tunnel
Me in my head screaming that you just have to treat 1 block as 2 for the circle you were making with the minecraft Circle generator. Cause that's what you were doing, placing two blocks at once with the rectangle blocks. So instead of 8 blocks for a line, it would be four.
I wonder if adding some space thrusters (pushing the ring away from the surface) tied to distance sensors could help stabilize the ring. Combine that with a push at the start to get it rotating and it could be pretty cool. I have no idea whether it would fit in the complexity limit with this ring design, tho.
You should use your tidal locking vehicle and add a bunch of rainbow generators on the side away from the asteroid, that way you can make multiple rings like Saturn
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the circle generator was giving 1x1 squares, you were using 2x4 blocks. it could be accomodated translating two 1x1 squares with one 2x4 block and the gap between blocks when curving would be compensated by the with of the 2x4
The thing is that if the ring is not exactly in the middle, it's gonna pull harder on the closest part. And when it pulls harder the opposite part is going to escape easier and all of that causes a chain reaction that pulls one part closer and pulls the other away. This is what I think happened during the first attempt with the bobbing.
Some tips: Build a quarter circle using 2x2 blocks and replace the ones you can with 2x4 blocks. Build a diameter and anchor it to the planet. Put a swivel at its centre and place another diameter on that. Now as you build the circle, turn the rotating diameter to measure how close to a circle your build is.
Some tips from a KSP player. The reason your ring started to wobble, and thus crashed into the planet. Was its wonky up and down scanner motion. Any difference in radius from the planet resulted in a different pull from the planet on different parts of the ring. This resulted in a torquing force that imparted angular velocity onto your ring. Once your ring started twisting, it's polar transit started to precess around the planet. Once that happened, any deviation in altitude resulted in a difference of the force of gravity and thus pulled the ring into the planet. Your ring should probably have been spinning around the planet at orbital velocity, that would have created a precession around its orbit instead, and resulted in a ring that sort of hula hooped around the planet instead, assuming construction at a proper orbital angle.
@@ThatGamerPilot Okay. So. Let's think of it this way. When the ring was to the "north" "up" side of the planet, it was not following a proper orbit. It was too far from a track that kept the ring centered on the planet. So it got pulled "down". Well, that downward motion pulled the ring through several orbital paths at different stages of its motion "up" and "down". That resulted in a force, a source of energy of motion, that started to twist the ring "up" and "down" on different parts of the ring. Like taking an onion ring in your hands, and twisting one hand up and the other down. The ring flexes, then breaks. That difference in forces was caused by the ring moving through multiple orbital paths at the same time, and thus having different gravitational forces at different points breaking symmetry,
@@ThatGamerPilot It is also important to remember what an orbit is. An orbit is when you are going so fast that you fall at the same rate the planet is curving away from you. An orbital path is any of those directions that lead to that behavior.
What would happen if you spawned the ring around the space station? Would gravity pull the ring down due to its center of mass being inside the station or not?
You would probably have gotten better results if you overlayed a circle on your screen, then built like a pillar in the center with a seat so you could keep a constant view
I love how the troubleshooting happens at around 9:00. The problem is that he measures in blocks and the length of each is 4, so each pixel in the circle generator corresponds to his measurement of 4, meaning that each step sideways has to happen by leaving a 2 block gap, effectively moving by 4 blocks. I would personally choose to do this and then smooth it out as i see fit instead of multiplying the circle size by 4 to make it represent one block because it'd be much harder to read the image that way.
I love this because I used to do pixel art a LOT, so I learned in the back of my mind how to wing a good pixel/voxel circle. The trick is a combination of 1s and 2s at the 45°, and larger branches of 6s or 5s on the 90° with this scale of circle
I wonder if you used the circle generator if you had just moved in twice as often as it said, you may have been able to get around your half block moves and still have everything connected.
The issue lies in how you connect and consider the blocks. I noticed but i could be wrong, that when immitating the mc circle generator, you place 2×4s as if they are 2x2s, so when the mc circle generator says 7, 4, 3, 4. You place 7 2x4s, 4 2x4s, etc. But the mc circle generator uses effectivly only 2×2s, so for 7 it would be 3 2×4s and a 2x2. To get the same lenght. Also cant you connect them litteraly the exact same way as the circle generator from underneath? Cuz thats the other math issue, if your connecting them differently you need wayy different math. But non of that really matters at grand scale like this. Your eyes trick you to see the circle, so just follow the generator to the T and it works... I use mc circle generators for many thing non minecraft related. They are super handy but you do have to follow them very litteraly. Otherwise the math is allways of.
I think that if he had just attached the rows to one another's sides and treated the 2×4 block as 1×2 blocks, there wouldn't even be a math issue. It might be a bit off, but it would be a much better circle than in the video.
@@juhor.7594 That's the same thing. The problem lies in the aspect ratio, not the layout. 2:1 =/= 1:1. He should have been counting each 2x4 as 2 squares, not one, and switching to 2x2s as single squares.
@@Elijah1573 That's one way to do it but I think it could take bouble the amount of time. I can understand the content creator angle of not wanting to spend too much time on an experiment that might not work.
Because he is using 2x4's, he's effectually building an oval with twice the radius in one direction, and the correct length in the other. 2x4's are twice as long as 2x2's, so any circle built with 2x4's instead of 2x2's will end up as an oval that is always twice as long in one dimension as the other. Its the ratio of the block dimensions that do this, 2:1 instead of 1:1. The math here is complex to wrap your head around, but easy once you can envision it. This principle works almost everywhere, with 3x1's, 4x1's, heck, even 10x1's will do exactly the same thing, an oval 10 times longer than it is wide.
Scrapman: "I am the build bubble". :D You could try putting a lot of ball joints / "trailer hinges" in there (if you can't use only them), so that gravity can deform it without breaking it.
I'm sure you read a lot of replies about how to make the ring, but I wanna say, since you're using 2x4, remember each 2x4 is 2 pixels, not one. You could try alternating between 2x4 and 2x2 to match the circle maker, any time 2 pixels connect use a 2x4, otherwise, 2x2
Because gravity falls off with a square power (1/r^2), the slightest deviation from 'perfectly' circular will result in the ring crashing without dynamic control (and you can't make it perfect so it will always crash). The other option is to make it out of separate components (rocks in orbit) because then one side won't have any influence on the other side.
There is a website that if you have the length it will generate a pixel circle so you know how to place your rounded parts. It is something I used for lego circles.(edit) lol right after posting this you used a generator :D
With the circle generator, it is assuming every block step is 1 and every indent is 1. Assume that each rectangle is 4×8 studs. When you're building with a rectangle, every step of 1 is only indenting 0.5. And further, since you indented only half of the rectangle, you're only going 0.25 in. This is going to give you a circle that's literally 4x bigger than you intended. You can remedy this by following the same circle generator shape, but have your indents start with half the rectangle length tucked on the inside edge of the last block. So not at the end of the block, but rather 4 studs backwards against the inside edge. This should give the outer edge of the circle all 4 studs on an indent. Once you get to the halfway point of the curve, you just rotate the block 90° and mirror what you built. I hope this helps.
If u can't build a dyson sphere make a dyson swarm it's just like Dyson sphere but in a satellite formation with only solar panels and some way to send the power
Dunno why but I expected you to build a "ring-mobile". A car that drives around the planet with a tall mast holding rainbow generators, or whatever. Maybe multiple cars at different points on the track around the plant to keep the visual effect up all the time.
For making the circle I would have made a radius like you did as a reference but made it rotate from the center so you can build a little then rotate a few degrees and build out to the new position of the end point. The end of the reference radius is always on the perfect circle and you just have to build a little bit at a time to stay as close as you can. Repeat that enough times and you have enough to copy/paste like you did
Watching ScrapMan attempt to make a circle is infuriating, like… dude, just wing it and it will turn out decently okay Edit: alright he did it, also he learned why Dyson spheres won’t work too well unknowingly
14:47 Unless the ring is EXACTLY PERFECTLY balanced around the center of the gravitational pull, it is affected by gravity unbalanced and will eventually crash into the planet. The more unbalanced, the faster this will happen. And there is nothing you can do to measure the exact center nor even precisely place the ring in the center. You could add distance sensors on four sides to fire up thrusters away from the planet and those would keep it from crashing. Then another set of thrusters to make it spin around to create gyroscopic effect to make the job even easier. But I have no idea how the game would even handle such large creations with thrusters. I'd love to see you make another take on this to have it spinning and auto-correcting for against crashing.
Do you think you could try break the sound berrier on the centrifuge I'd really like to see what type of strategies you would use to counteract flipping over and vehicle damage
Can you do a community series on titan,Saturn’s largest moon? I suggest you do it as a sequel to the mars series in search of where the Martians who built bases on mars. You can do more research on its somewhat earth like conditions.The reason for it being on Titan is because titan has a subsurface water ocean,a active methane cycle and a large collection of lakes,seas and rivers of hydrocarbons such as methane. Day two of saying this.
The ring would crash into the planet with even the slightest of misalignment due to gravity being stronger closer to the planet, so the more misaligned it is, the stronger gravity tries to misalign it even more. It wouldn't be in a stable position naturally.
The ring generator idea didnt work because u were building ring using rectangles, not squares. Also at first i thought u were gonna build square around planet and use planets shape as guide for building ring. Makes me feel smarter haha 🤣🤣 Good job either way 👍
i believe the dwarf planet is not a planet it self but the core of one. the surrounding asteroids are just parts of the whole. at least that how it looks to me, love your content!
Scrapman, the reason why the circle generator didn't work, is that it was measuring in squares. If you want it to work, you have to count the attatchmentpoints on the blocks, not the blocks themselves (in this case 88 blocks * 3 attatchmentpoints in length = 264)
The circle generator is based on using squares. If using rectangles, I probably would have generated a circle half the size I needed, considering that each step down with the rectangles is half a step of what a square would do. Meaning that a circle built out of rectangles would end up being twice as big if using measurements based on a square. So the rectangle has 4 points, and a square would have 8. If calculating a circle for a square that has 8 points, you would end up making a circle that is twice as big if you followed the layout with rectangles that only have 4 points.
Video Idea: A laucher/craft that launches projectiles at the right distance and speed to see if you can't get the projectiles to orbit and be become satalites. Kind of like the particles of Saturn's rings. Would look awesome having a bunch of individual satalites with different orbits and trajectories flying around.
19:36 You could try to build turret that you will spawn on top of this asteroid and basically shoot/eject little satelites using pistons and just repair the turret as many times you like.
You could use the circle generator too. The first one could've worked. You just needrd to count one of the 2x4 pieces as "2 blocks" A 2x2x2 piece would be a single "block" So 9 blocks would be 4 parts, (essentially being 8 blocks) and one small part (being the 9th block)
Can you please fix my two builds in the download area? My name is the same in Trailmakers without the numbers, and I was here when you made the tree lanchers and the beyblades. Sorry for the trouble.
What if you made all of the proper flying creations but used the rocket engine in the map with all the flaming rings so you have to deal with full atmosphere and gravity at all times(jet,flying car,rocket), maybe see if you can use the skiis on water with the rocket engine then do a take off
To do like a shell cover what you could do is build 1/4th of it and then you and 3 friends fly them in with space crafts and meet up at the asteroid center and either magnet or attach block the pieces together then using break away blocks to disconnect the hauling scapecrafts away or use magnets to get the build there in position and use other magnets tied to a different keybind to get them all to stick. Idk ideas
The Minecraft circle generator reminds me that ScrapMan, should try Minecraft. If he eventually tries Minecraft someday, other ScrapMan fans should agree that he would be a creative Minecrafter. I am actually a big fan and OG fan of ScrapMan, as I have seen his channel before his face cam and I have been subscribed for around 4-5 years.
I have observed that when making circles with box, you can use site that half each time so you’d go for example 16 blocks and then you go in one block and then eight blocks and etc. The only problem is according to the size of yourself circle you’d have to start with a different number and I don’t know how to get that number. I’m guessing you could just get a quarter of the radius
you should have a bayblade battle in space, they would spin in light speed. (only problem is that they will float away so you might need some controlls)
Or build 3/4 of a circle and have wheels grip it. You could apply that to encapsulating it. Would be sick if the mechanics would let you automate encapsulating and have it locate and shoot at near by builds
Gotta make it rotate and if you get it to be stable, make it go as fast as you can! Or even encapsulate it? I would try but I don’t have mods or know how to set that up so I would have to build multiple different builds and connect them outside the build mode an that just seems impractical on the space map. I believe you could pull it off and make it look crazy
I wonder if using the 4 by 8 blocks could decrease the complexity by enough to make the ring a bit less laggy, they are twice as wide and twice as long so it could work
Is it possible to dislodge that dwarf plannet from that orbit? Like building a massive set of thrusters that are anchored down to it and then push it out of there or pull it away from there? Maybe build a fake base so it looks like the death star.
Scrap, I just want you to know that in the last three years, I've raised both of my baby boys watching you. You were my OG in those late night bottle feedings, and now for building with scrap breakfast. My boys love you and know your intro better than any kids song. I greatly appreciate that you keep your channel kid friendly without cursing, please don't stop, you do great work and you have gotten several channels started and that alone is respectful. Love you brother.
I may be a kid, i loved watching scrapman while bottle feeding my brother at 4:00 AM, then staying up late enough to watch a new release right when it comes out 😂
True legend.
Always at 13.00 (for me) he would post and i would watch it
I’ve been watching scrap man for years, and everyday, once u get home, I sit down and watch the newest scrapman video. Thanks for making videos for all of us, thank you, thank the editor, and thanks to to the entire team.
Also, thanks for inspiring me to do TH-cam.
Genuinely heart warming
*Looks at a circle graph made of squares*
*Tries to perfectly imitate it using rectangles*
Scrapman: why isnt this working?
😂
Absolute insanity, dude needs to get more sleep or something.
@@popinjayishuman well he uploads basically every day so he really probably does
To create a circle with rectangular pieces, you could try an oval generator with the 2:1 proportions. Oh, and adding thrusters to the ring to make it turn would be fun too. 🙃
ye add thrusters
What’s with the upside down smile
@@glaxii1 Like floating in space
@@paucc oh
@@glaxii1
Tips to make your own circle, dont start from 1 point and end on the other point but instead start symetrically on both point so you can shape it even more symetrical
Was looking for this before I posted it
I haven’t tried it but I would just make a quarter square and shave off the corners till it’s round
since it is not perfectly centered and even, one point is slightly more attracted than the other, causing it to eventually break.
what you need, is spin rotation!
make the ring ORBIT!!!
I was wondering if anyone else noticed
A solid, stationary ring is going to be naturally unstable; any point that falls a little closer to the planetoid is going to experience more down-force, while the opposite side is going to start experiencing less, meaning that as it falls out of position it's only pulled further out of position.
You're going to have to spin it at roughly orbital speed to make it do what you're after.
That only applies at a far distance where the gravitational field starts to weaken.
@@aivarsgraudins8423 F = G((m1(m2))/r1)
The gravitational field weakens based on *any* distance between the masses affecting each other; ergo this is a concern at any distance. If you do not use other forces to attempt to stabilize it, it is naturally unstable.
This is a well-known problem with Dyson rings and similar futuristic theoretical structures.
@@aivarsgraudins8423 And this is a video game... And the Gs on the asteroid in the video game drop as soon as you get the tiniest bit away from the surface. As easily seen in the beginning of the video.
What if you use those concrete barrier spawners and slap em on an auto orbiter like the one you made last time to make a 'ring'?
He's too smart to be left alive! Get him boys!!!
Do the concrete barriers carry the momentum that their spawner has? Cause if not they'll just fall towards the asteroid without moving. But if they do then I can definitely see this idea working!
@@bananatheo3796 they appear to defy gravity in previous versions so it should work if concrete barriers didn't change. The tricky part would be having enough of em around the orbit before it reaches the item spawn limit.
There is a maximum amount of walls that can exist at once that I don't think is enough for a ring
For the curve of the circle, I figure you were gonna have to divide each section of 2x4 into 2s cause each block doesnt exactly translate when using rectangles. As someone else said with the oval generator. Scrappers I think you should revisit this in another episode
thats exactly what i was thinking. just pretend the 2x4's are 2 2x2's. i dont know if that would with the block count tho.
I found it requires a lot of logistics while working out the blocks. I did a simple 10 radius circle and it took a min to even get that down. With the generator, it takes a lot of time but I still could see it working with the 2x4s @@tobiahderijk2274
if you view the 2x2 as the square the 4x2 would just be two steps at a time. and everytime an odd number is required you could just use the 2x2. so using the circle generator with those pieces is totally viable. :)
I'm actually kind of surprised that the ring stayed so stable. With the creation being so large, I thought maybe the gravity would've pulled some video game logic on you and resorted to latching onto the original starting block or something to avoid letting the physics calculations get too complex, but it seems the devs accounted for that
If you do anything more with this concept in the future, it might be worth using the glow block skin to help the ring stand out more against the backdrop of space (and it would make it look pretty neat, you could even turn it into a massive, orbiting rainbow). And, a couple other people have mentioned it, but it'd be interested to see how the ring behaves with thrusters attached. Perhaps it could even be turned into some sort of planetary defense system, using the last 70 or so blocks to make something like a giant, controllable, orbital space cannon
You could make a battery with tank/large cannons.
Ever notice how Scrapman insists on using the smallest blocks possible when building for part limits? You can span exponentially more distance with 4x8s than 2x4s... Now he's just got to figure out how aspect ratios work and maybe the pixel map might make more sense 😜
Yeah, that always pains me a bit, especially when he battles his friends and uses up half of his build limit just to make the base of his vehicle 😂
Though it does show how determined he is to accomplish what he sets out for, that's good
His first attempt would have been good if he were counting connection points but youtuber vision I guess
@@zig7895With combat vehicles more parts means better survivability. So I don't mind that quite so much. But when it's stuff like this... Yeah.
Day, like 5 (my phone screen broke and ive only just got it replaced) of:
I've got 3 ideas for you,
1: Player 1 builds a plane with wheels on the tips of the wings. Player 2 makes a runway with two lanes and a gap in between. Then land the plane on that runway.
2: Build a plane which can transform into a submarine upon contact with the water (like, wings turn in and stuff).
3: Test yours and your friends building skills by turning animals into a vehicles (maybe multiple animals per person but that might be too time consuming). Points for form and points for function
A dyson sphere made of individual devices that connect to each other would be epic
Could also use the complexity mod for it. I was just thinking the same thing
A dyson swarm?
@@whocaresreallly5886 Yeah, a Rungworld is a bunch of planetary objects connected in a ring-like ladder shape, while a dyson swarm is more of an orbiting cloud shape
@@tylerphuoc2653 i took the "connect" to be more electrical than physical
@@whocaresreallly5886 The long rings of a rungworld aren't really holding them together because of the orbit, but can transport goods and power in a tunnel
Me in my head screaming that you just have to treat 1 block as 2 for the circle you were making with the minecraft Circle generator. Cause that's what you were doing, placing two blocks at once with the rectangle blocks. So instead of 8 blocks for a line, it would be four.
I wonder if adding some space thrusters (pushing the ring away from the surface) tied to distance sensors could help stabilize the ring. Combine that with a push at the start to get it rotating and it could be pretty cool. I have no idea whether it would fit in the complexity limit with this ring design, tho.
"It didn't look that big, but it's starting to look pretty big." 2:17
- Scrap Man
Are we not doing "phrasing" anymore?
2 Ideas
1. Quantum Rudders
2. could you drive the ring around the asteroid with wheels
You should use your tidal locking vehicle and add a bunch of rainbow generators on the side away from the asteroid, that way you can make multiple rings like Saturn
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the circle generator was giving 1x1 squares, you were using 2x4 blocks. it could be accomodated translating two 1x1 squares with one 2x4 block and the gap between blocks when curving would be compensated by the with of the 2x4
The thing is that if the ring is not exactly in the middle, it's gonna pull harder on the closest part. And when it pulls harder the opposite part is going to escape easier and all of that causes a chain reaction that pulls one part closer and pulls the other away. This is what I think happened during the first attempt with the bobbing.
Some tips:
Build a quarter circle using 2x2 blocks and replace the ones you can with 2x4 blocks.
Build a diameter and anchor it to the planet. Put a swivel at its centre and place another diameter on that. Now as you build the circle, turn the rotating diameter to measure how close to a circle your build is.
14:03 It looks like someone might have bumped the ring with their body. That's probably how it got tilted.
game: the build bubble will not approve of this. scrapman: I AM THE BUILD BUBBLE
Some tips from a KSP player. The reason your ring started to wobble, and thus crashed into the planet. Was its wonky up and down scanner motion. Any difference in radius from the planet resulted in a different pull from the planet on different parts of the ring. This resulted in a torquing force that imparted angular velocity onto your ring. Once your ring started twisting, it's polar transit started to precess around the planet. Once that happened, any deviation in altitude resulted in a difference of the force of gravity and thus pulled the ring into the planet.
Your ring should probably have been spinning around the planet at orbital velocity, that would have created a precession around its orbit instead, and resulted in a ring that sort of hula hooped around the planet instead, assuming construction at a proper orbital angle.
Explain in non ksp terms but not mentally ill terms
@@ThatGamerPilot Okay. So. Let's think of it this way. When the ring was to the "north" "up" side of the planet, it was not following a proper orbit. It was too far from a track that kept the ring centered on the planet. So it got pulled "down". Well, that downward motion pulled the ring through several orbital paths at different stages of its motion "up" and "down". That resulted in a force, a source of energy of motion, that started to twist the ring "up" and "down" on different parts of the ring. Like taking an onion ring in your hands, and twisting one hand up and the other down. The ring flexes, then breaks. That difference in forces was caused by the ring moving through multiple orbital paths at the same time, and thus having different gravitational forces at different points breaking symmetry,
@@ThatGamerPilot It is also important to remember what an orbit is. An orbit is when you are going so fast that you fall at the same rate the planet is curving away from you. An orbital path is any of those directions that lead to that behavior.
Gotta see a battle or two with ground based vehicles on this Planetoid!
I wonder how the weapons would curve around the thingamabob
14:12 you should ad lasers to make it look like it is mining the asteroid
Please do this again but make the ring spin to keep it stable, would be really cool to see that.
What would happen if you spawned the ring around the space station? Would gravity pull the ring down due to its center of mass being inside the station or not?
Try making a ring like real life: A spaceship that detaches a bunch of blocks in orbit that slowly form a ring
Trail makers needs some optimization. Would love for it to handle several big builds around the map without the lag
This game desperately needs a circle tool of some sort. Some way to make circles of different sizes.
Scrapman calculates the circle using 1x1x1 blocks and builds with something like 4x2x1 and wonders why it doesnt look circular....
You would probably have gotten better results if you overlayed a circle on your screen, then built like a pillar in the center with a seat so you could keep a constant view
You could have used the 4×8 pieces, that would be faster and less complex
I was really wondering why he didnt do this
I love how the troubleshooting happens at around 9:00. The problem is that he measures in blocks and the length of each is 4, so each pixel in the circle generator corresponds to his measurement of 4, meaning that each step sideways has to happen by leaving a 2 block gap, effectively moving by 4 blocks. I would personally choose to do this and then smooth it out as i see fit instead of multiplying the circle size by 4 to make it represent one block because it'd be much harder to read the image that way.
Watching Scrapman struggle at making a circle with blocks gives me ptsd of doing the same in minecraft 😂
and there are hundreds of pixel guides to do it.
teach me to comment before finishing the video
I love this because I used to do pixel art a LOT, so I learned in the back of my mind how to wing a good pixel/voxel circle. The trick is a combination of 1s and 2s at the 45°, and larger branches of 6s or 5s on the 90° with this scale of circle
With that out the way, you can now start herding asteroids and deliver some to the space station
You should do a plane battle in atmosphere on the planets
I wonder if you used the circle generator if you had just moved in twice as often as it said, you may have been able to get around your half block moves and still have everything connected.
I love your work on here and look forward to it every day
The issue lies in how you connect and consider the blocks.
I noticed but i could be wrong, that when immitating the mc circle generator, you place 2×4s as if they are 2x2s, so when the mc circle generator says 7, 4, 3, 4.
You place 7 2x4s, 4 2x4s, etc.
But the mc circle generator uses effectivly only 2×2s, so for 7 it would be 3 2×4s and a 2x2. To get the same lenght.
Also cant you connect them litteraly the exact same way as the circle generator from underneath? Cuz thats the other math issue, if your connecting them differently you need wayy different math.
But non of that really matters at grand scale like this.
Your eyes trick you to see the circle, so just follow the generator to the T and it works...
I use mc circle generators for many thing non minecraft related. They are super handy but you do have to follow them very litteraly. Otherwise the math is allways of.
I think that if he had just attached the rows to one another's sides and treated the 2×4 block as 1×2 blocks, there wouldn't even be a math issue. It might be a bit off, but it would be a much better circle than in the video.
@@juhor.7594 That's the same thing. The problem lies in the aspect ratio, not the layout. 2:1 =/= 1:1. He should have been counting each 2x4 as 2 squares, not one, and switching to 2x2s as single squares.
He should have built 1 quarter with the 2x2 and then optimize the block count after while tracing the original 2x2 path
@@Elijah1573 That's one way to do it but I think it could take bouble the amount of time. I can understand the content creator angle of not wanting to spend too much time on an experiment that might not work.
Because he is using 2x4's, he's effectually building an oval with twice the radius in one direction, and the correct length in the other. 2x4's are twice as long as 2x2's, so any circle built with 2x4's instead of 2x2's will end up as an oval that is always twice as long in one dimension as the other. Its the ratio of the block dimensions that do this, 2:1 instead of 1:1. The math here is complex to wrap your head around, but easy once you can envision it. This principle works almost everywhere, with 3x1's, 4x1's, heck, even 10x1's will do exactly the same thing, an oval 10 times longer than it is wide.
Scrapman: "I am the build bubble". :D You could try putting a lot of ball joints / "trailer hinges" in there (if you can't use only them), so that gravity can deform it without breaking it.
I'm sure you read a lot of replies about how to make the ring, but I wanna say, since you're using 2x4, remember each 2x4 is 2 pixels, not one. You could try alternating between 2x4 and 2x2 to match the circle maker, any time 2 pixels connect use a 2x4, otherwise, 2x2
IN FREDRICK-BAMBINO WE TRUST!
FLYING TANK BATTLE, PLEASE!!
"I liked it so I put a ring on it" got me
Because gravity falls off with a square power (1/r^2), the slightest deviation from 'perfectly' circular will result in the ring crashing without dynamic control (and you can't make it perfect so it will always crash). The other option is to make it out of separate components (rocks in orbit) because then one side won't have any influence on the other side.
There is a website that if you have the length it will generate a pixel circle so you know how to place your rounded parts. It is something I used for lego circles.(edit) lol right after posting this you used a generator :D
With the circle generator, it is assuming every block step is 1 and every indent is 1. Assume that each rectangle is 4×8 studs. When you're building with a rectangle, every step of 1 is only indenting 0.5. And further, since you indented only half of the rectangle, you're only going 0.25 in. This is going to give you a circle that's literally 4x bigger than you intended. You can remedy this by following the same circle generator shape, but have your indents start with half the rectangle length tucked on the inside edge of the last block. So not at the end of the block, but rather 4 studs backwards against the inside edge. This should give the outer edge of the circle all 4 studs on an indent. Once you get to the halfway point of the curve, you just rotate the block 90° and mirror what you built. I hope this helps.
i think scrap man is a newton grandson like wow hes a complete genius
hahahaha
Multiplayer idea: Airbattles in and on the various planets. Propellers and wings only, no thrusters, nothing quantum.
A 'Super Dwarf Planet' is also know as a 'Dwarf Planet Canidiate'.
Super cool video just like the 'super dwarf planet' you made rings with!
I love that ScrapMan accidentally added math into trailmakers
A Dyson swarm sounds interesting, also sounds like a PC killer
If u can't build a dyson sphere make a dyson swarm it's just like Dyson sphere but in a satellite formation with only solar panels and some way to send the power
Dunno why but I expected you to build a "ring-mobile". A car that drives around the planet with a tall mast holding rainbow generators, or whatever. Maybe multiple cars at different points on the track around the plant to keep the visual effect up all the time.
For making the circle I would have made a radius like you did as a reference but made it rotate from the center so you can build a little then rotate a few degrees and build out to the new position of the end point. The end of the reference radius is always on the perfect circle and you just have to build a little bit at a time to stay as close as you can. Repeat that enough times and you have enough to copy/paste like you did
Watching ScrapMan attempt to make a circle is infuriating, like… dude, just wing it and it will turn out decently okay
Edit: alright he did it, also he learned why Dyson spheres won’t work too well unknowingly
You should make a Dyson Sphere/ring around the planet, it would take a lot of time and effort to make, but it would look coooool.
Came to the comments to suggest this lol
Watching the shadows of the asteroids passing by while you build was oddly relaxing.
So, if you actually use 4x8 blocks instead of the 2x4 you did, you can actually achieve a ring in just 240 blocks.
14:47 Unless the ring is EXACTLY PERFECTLY balanced around the center of the gravitational pull, it is affected by gravity unbalanced and will eventually crash into the planet. The more unbalanced, the faster this will happen. And there is nothing you can do to measure the exact center nor even precisely place the ring in the center.
You could add distance sensors on four sides to fire up thrusters away from the planet and those would keep it from crashing. Then another set of thrusters to make it spin around to create gyroscopic effect to make the job even easier. But I have no idea how the game would even handle such large creations with thrusters. I'd love to see you make another take on this to have it spinning and auto-correcting for against crashing.
How many small engines Does it take to Break the sound barrier and other gas like engines
You really looked for a real life country like the equator on an asteroid 😅
Can you make a sphere outside of the iron core?
Difficulty10/10
Do you think you could try break the sound berrier on the centrifuge I'd really like to see what type of strategies you would use to counteract flipping over and vehicle damage
Can you do a community series on titan,Saturn’s largest moon?
I suggest you do it as a sequel to the mars series in search of where the Martians who built bases on mars.
You can do more research on its somewhat earth like conditions.The reason for it being on Titan is because titan has a subsurface water ocean,a active methane cycle and a large collection of lakes,seas and rivers of hydrocarbons such as methane. Day two of saying this.
The ring would crash into the planet with even the slightest of misalignment due to gravity being stronger closer to the planet, so the more misaligned it is, the stronger gravity tries to misalign it even more. It wouldn't be in a stable position naturally.
The ring generator idea didnt work because u were building ring using rectangles, not squares. Also at first i thought u were gonna build square around planet and use planets shape as guide for building ring.
Makes me feel smarter haha 🤣🤣
Good job either way 👍
Can attach some rocket engines in symmetry to make it spin too
Awesome build.
i believe the dwarf planet is not a planet it self but the core of one. the surrounding asteroids are just parts of the whole.
at least that how it looks to me, love your content!
I would have used a hinge and slowly tweaked its angle as I went. Using the diameter piece mounted on it to measure the curve.
Scrapman, the reason why the circle generator didn't work, is that it was measuring in squares. If you want it to work, you have to count the attatchmentpoints on the blocks, not the blocks themselves (in this case 88 blocks * 3 attatchmentpoints in length = 264)
Hey can you do a quantum hyperdrive battle using the new hyperdrive glitch?
The circle generator is based on using squares. If using rectangles, I probably would have generated a circle half the size I needed, considering that each step down with the rectangles is half a step of what a square would do. Meaning that a circle built out of rectangles would end up being twice as big if using measurements based on a square.
So the rectangle has 4 points, and a square would have 8. If calculating a circle for a square that has 8 points, you would end up making a circle that is twice as big if you followed the layout with rectangles that only have 4 points.
Curiosity: Why didn't ya use the 4x8 pieces? Are they more than one Complexity?
Video Idea: A laucher/craft that launches projectiles at the right distance and speed to see if you can't get the projectiles to orbit and be become satalites. Kind of like the particles of Saturn's rings. Would look awesome having a bunch of individual satalites with different orbits and trajectories flying around.
19:36 You could try to build turret that you will spawn on top of this asteroid and basically shoot/eject little satelites using pistons and just repair the turret as many times you like.
You could use the circle generator too. The first one could've worked. You just needrd to count one of the 2x4 pieces as "2 blocks"
A 2x2x2 piece would be a single "block"
So 9 blocks would be 4 parts, (essentially being 8 blocks) and one small part (being the 9th block)
Can you please fix my two builds in the download area? My name is the same in Trailmakers without the numbers, and I was here when you made the tree lanchers and the beyblades. Sorry for the trouble.
What if you made all of the proper flying creations but used the rocket engine in the map with all the flaming rings so you have to deal with full atmosphere and gravity at all times(jet,flying car,rocket), maybe see if you can use the skiis on water with the rocket engine then do a take off
To do like a shell cover what you could do is build 1/4th of it and then you and 3 friends fly them in with space crafts and meet up at the asteroid center and either magnet or attach block the pieces together then using break away blocks to disconnect the hauling scapecrafts away or use magnets to get the build there in position and use other magnets tied to a different keybind to get them all to stick. Idk ideas
funny seeing scrapman being confused by the fact that 2x4 blocks don't work with the same measurements as a 1x1
The Minecraft circle generator reminds me that ScrapMan, should try Minecraft. If he eventually tries Minecraft someday, other ScrapMan fans should agree that he would be a creative Minecrafter. I am actually a big fan and OG fan of ScrapMan, as I have seen his channel before his face cam and I have been subscribed for around 4-5 years.
I have observed that when making circles with box, you can use site that half each time so you’d go for example 16 blocks and then you go in one block and then eight blocks and etc. The only problem is according to the size of yourself circle you’d have to start with a different number and I don’t know how to get that number. I’m guessing you could just get a quarter of the radius
you should have a bayblade battle in space, they would spin in light speed. (only problem is that they will float away so you might need some controlls)
Or build 3/4 of a circle and have wheels grip it. You could apply that to encapsulating it. Would be sick if the mechanics would let you automate encapsulating and have it locate and shoot at near by builds
I haven't tried it myself yet but are those meteors stationary or can the be pushed around?
Gotta make it rotate and if you get it to be stable, make it go as fast as you can! Or even encapsulate it? I would try but I don’t have mods or know how to set that up so I would have to build multiple different builds and connect them outside the build mode an that just seems impractical on the space map. I believe you could pull it off and make it look crazy
Next up, scrapman builds a moon!
Rainbow maker rings of Saturn! Big vertical stick satellite! Haha it'll be so cool
what happened at the start?
I wonder if using the 4 by 8 blocks could decrease the complexity by enough to make the ring a bit less laggy, they are twice as wide and twice as long so it could work
Love projects like this :)
it might have been the character hovering above , which disturbed the first version.
"The ringworld is unstable!"
I love your builds bro i
If you use mod and make it wider, can you drive on it? Race?
Is it possible to dislodge that dwarf plannet from that orbit? Like building a massive set of thrusters that are anchored down to it and then push it out of there or pull it away from there? Maybe build a fake base so it looks like the death star.