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- Realistic-looking skin isn’t all that different from realistic-looking skim milk.
In the above video, Vox’s Phil Edwards looks at why realistic CGI skin is so hard for visual effects artists to master. Weta Digital’s Nick Epstein and Luxion’s Henrik Wann Jensen serve as guides to the parameters that separate realistic-looking skin from the waxy, fake-looking CGI of the past: albedo, displacements, subsurface scattering, and dynamic changes.
There’s been extraordinary progress from the cutting-edge CGI characters in 2001’s Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within to 2019’s Alita: Battle Angel. This video shows a bit about how that happened.
Jensen’s website has links to most of his key papers: graphics.ucsd.edu/~henrik/
Weta’s Alita site is here: www.wetafx.co.nz/films/filmog...
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imagine being called the "milk guy" because of how amazing your milk rendering is
femboy
I am the milkman, my milk is delicious
@@StuCupid phychonauts fan spotted
Dr Verghese Kurien is known as the milk man of India .
I am the milk man; my milk is realistic.
I love the fact that this huge technical achievement is best demonstrated by the difference of Shrek 1 and 2
Shrek is always the deciding factor in many cases
Hyper realistic Shrek 5 😳
As it should be
Shrek is Love, Shrek is Life 💚
@@pmathewizard super duper realistic shrek 6
That the simulation we live in break
Frankly speaking, Alita's skin looks more realistic than zoom record
Haha another Kid With experience from Zoom
@@HarryKaneIsGoated …did we not all just come out of a pandemic??
True😂
@@ExtraRiceCrispy wdym just came out of pandemic? Are we the only country still suffering with the pandemic atm? :kekw:
...it sounded more dramatic than quarantine .-.
Some guy in the supermarket: dude why are you shining lasers at our meat
Jensen: _it's for the oscars_
👍
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@@brick8475 what?
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@@Jagar_Tharn What he said
It's not hard for Mark Zuckerberg
Best. Comment. Ever.
This is golden
💯
true
MAN U KILLED IT
I just noticed the uncanny resemblance between Alita and the Sam Samsung Assistant
Right!
I think that was intentional
Simps assemble.
I thought I was tripping lol but thank the gods it's not just me
@@Dr.Kraig_Ren correction☝️: Alita fans such as myself might be weebs, but not simps; the people into Samsung Sam are cyber simps
"Because skin stretches!" - Niko, The Corridor Crew
LOOK AT THAT NECK
DO THE PORES STRETCH?!
No, it doesn't
_-Albert Einstein_
P O R E S
I was looking for this comment.
Renaissance painters painted faces using layers of translucent paint. One layer was black.
Usually with oil paint, they went with a green layer.
ok 👍
blackface smh
That's so interesting! Is there a video or book where I can learn more about the translucent paint layers?
But it wasn't realistic enough either
Honestly the Final Fantasy movie skin still doesn't look that bad, specially for 2001
Bad? It looked better to me. And no one can see that except me?
@@T.K.P. I think so too, imo had the best animated skin to date, alita doesn´t even come close
@@T.K.P. more aesthetically pleasing perhaps, as foundation etc blocks a lot of the subsurface scattering. So the FF movie looks like heavier makeup. But look at a comparison for a render of someone with big ears, with subsurface scattering turned on and off. It makes a big difference to realism. That realism just doesn’t always look nicer to everybody.
@@kaitlyn__L i know, i know, all rendering is good, but they are changing things differently, so all in all, big data for small changes.
@Shashwat while I agree alita looks better, it isnt because nostalgia. Its because people have opinion.
this channel is the best at making me interested in things i would have never thought i’d enjoy
This comment is posted every time they upload a video. Come up with something new.
@@glossygloss472 i’ve literally never seen a comment like this
@@clayouse7665 lol me neither
@@glossygloss472 I think, you're the one should
@@glossygloss472 This guy's just malding, it's normal for haters.
I had a friend who was studying 3D since 2001 (he is now a top consultant to Netflix) and he blew my mind explaining subsurface scattering (we were 15 at that time). The technical problems of early VFX were a matter of not only programing but technology... Renders used to take forever back then!
Blinn's law baby, render times stay constant because more efficient rendering techonology means they can render more complex visuals 😎
@@Abeltonne yep folks still turn on and off subsurface scattering in Blender and Maya and so on
renders do still take forever btw, a lot faster but still forever
Being a digital designer I marvel at thinking how powerful the machines they use in film production must be... when working on the pieces in CAD it still takes me hours upon hours to render so one of my whims is to have the money to buy a really powerful computer one day 😅
@@lordofthesticks0 i had to render something for university
im not kidding
it took me the entire day
‘Hey smoothskin don’t act like you have never seen a ghoul’
Patrolling the Mojave almost makes me wish for a nuclear winter...
Give me cause profligate
Pay taxes
@@bsherman8236 you can't make me
This made me realize that even before Shrek and Toy Story, Jurassic Park was ahead of its time. Just look at that masterpiece….you’ll be dumbfounded at the fact that those dinosaurs still look realistic and better than most recent sequels.
Grt reminder bro.
They were animatronics, not computer generated.
@@Han-pd8rw there was a mix of all technologies. They would hide a cut between practical and animated by panning past a pillar, windshield edging, etc
@@Han-pd8rw I know that…certain parts yes, not everything.
different technology.. but yeah more realistic than sequel
“A cookie guy” you can’t do the gingerbread man like that🥲
Do you know the muffin man?
@@Alex-di8ti the muffin man?
Yes, well... She's married to the muffin man.
@@GoTravelShineVlogs The muffin man?!
His name is gingie 😤
This is why Alita wouldn't be viable through a streaming series. There's just too much time and work required to make her face look the way it does. It'd fall apart working under streaming deadlines.
Wouldn't it not really matter? The bulk of the work is making her model to look realistic. After that is done, it becomes a question of cleaning up motion-captured animations. Still a lot of work, but they don't have to literally remake her extremely complex model every time.
@@laerin7931 Once you have the model its more of a rendering time problem. And nowadays TV shows have huge budgets, certain shows like the witcher skipped 3 years and i will be relased this winter
@@collan580 Even rendering probably won't take that long. Hardware constantly gets faster, so even if it takes them a day to render a single episode, it's still worth it. Although I guess animation work will be slowed down by rendering times.
@@laerin7931 High quality raytraced rendering still takes 6+ months especially if you use the latest technologies. And a Season of a TV show is at least 3 times longer than a simple movie. So while its definately possible to make these shows, you need at least 2 years between seasons to make it.
@@collan580 I have no knowledge in the matter but couldn't unreal engine 5 speed things up?
Alita Battle Angel is such an underrated movie and did not receive the credit it should have. Such a brilliant movie!
It really was. One of my favorites!
Yeah, thats also my favorite. Lucky I could watched it in cinema years ago
It was great and deserves a follow up!!!
@@5504berry No, I’d rather not risk it. Most sequels always end up being terrible embarrassments compared to the originals.
@@kaleycooper9111 My fears as well but keep the same cast and director and maybe they can pull it off.
I remember Uncharted 4 was so realistic with the visuals and animations that you could see light glowing through Nathan's ear lobes when the sun was shining, it wasn't pre-rendered either but live as you were playing.
yeah because ray tracing gpu didn't exist back days... and it will be lag if they implement it. that's why they just paint it and dont need to simulate.
Same with red dead 2
YEAH
I haven't played it myself but I saw friends play Uncharted some time ago and I vividly remember the light passing through the ears and how excited I was about that detail
I remember everyone oohing and aahing over Nathan’s pants getting darker when he got wet.
Uncharted 4 was a blessing
The whole uncharted saga was able to make the next game in the saga better than the previous
I love how the evolution of this great technology is shown through Shrek 1 and Shrek 2
Amen
Shrek 1 and 2 by far the best of the series
These are essentially no different than an oil painting artist
You have to apply all the blue and red and green shades/tones underneath the “pink” skin tones, simply because those colors do exist underneath us without us really being aware
This is all amazing stuff
Just a note to the editor; The audio clip starting around 0:58 is out of phase and is therefore silent on a mono speaker. I had to switch to stereo to hear it. Check your videos for mono compatibility, it's an accessibility issue!
Edit: Seems like it is fixed now! Maybe it took extra time for youtube to finish processing the video correctly?
Thanks! I didn't even notice I had turned on mono sound in windows since however long it's been!
+
I turned on closed captions
that's what that was! I was listening on stereo speakers but I must have been dead center because my spatial understanding of the audio was very very strange, and I rewound to hear it a few times from different spots in the room.
This might be obvious, but what is the reason for using mono when you have the option to use stereo?
ikr I was so confused why is there no sound coming out of my phone
10 years from now we’d look back at where we are right now and say the same things we did 10 years before
If we survive the potential change will be mind-boggling.
Same with apple
doubt it. you see it in gaming. you need more and more power for less and less gains in fidelity.
like compare the new venom from 2021 with the old one from 2007. it's not a big jump.
@@biglevian that’s because the old venom came out in 2018 not 2007 💀💀
@@miaomiaou_ I believe they are referring to the venom that was in Spiderman 3..... 💀💀💀
Rosa Salazar's performance in Alita was extremely underrated. Weta did a phenomenal job bringing Alita to the big screen.
Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within was so ahead of its time
Cant believe its been 20 years
Visually, it was amazing, the plot was lackluster though. It's unfortunate that the film nearly brought Square to bankruptcy.
Alita Battle Angel is such an underrated movie, it deserves more attention both technicality and story wise.
so true its a master piece in every aspect from the adaptation to the execution
buy those blu rays baby!
I say it deserves the most attention for being not just a great live-action adaptation, but also a faithful one! There's so many scenes in the movie that are shot-for-shot straight from the comic!
Still waiting for next movie😅😅
Agreed 100%. And it so closely followed the manga. Someone (can't remember so cannot attribute it) said that Alita was 70% from the manga, 20% from the anime, and 10% new. It was so well done that I really hope that it builds into a series.
To be fair to Spirits Within, it looks like a videogame cut-scene because it essentially is, being made by a videogame studio and all! ;)
Eh yeah but these days video game studios are breaking that kinda of mold, just look at Arcane by Riot.
Back in 2001, Spirits Within blew my mind. It was a huge technical achievement back in the day - it almost bankrupted Square. Of course 20 years leads to artistic and technical improvements, but I still believe that FF was a milestone.
It was amazing for sure.
I'll never forget those first teasers that came out for it. The black dude taking his helmet off and saying, "you ok" It looked so dang real at the time.
I thought so too. The only reason that movie failed was because despite the name, it got nothing to do with FF.
Waiting patiently for Alita part 2. Great film.
Yes me too, but I don't think they have plans for it, but just read a Lord of the rings series comes out next year on Amazon. That will be cool IMO
@@larsstougaard7097 I have concerns about LotR series. They have the budget and it will definitely look great, but from what I've read so far it sounds like they're trying to do Game of Thrones instead of Lord of the Rings. Like with Netflix Witcher series - great fantasy, terrible Witcher adaptation, like they've read the books, got the sequence of events, but didn't understand what it's all about.
Alita 2 is cancelled by Disney.
@@bezrodnyigor okay not happy to hear that and yes Witcher was a horrible mess. Loved the game 🎮
@@akihokokurosaki N O
O. O ooooooooo
The spirits within was animated COMPLETELY BY HAND, I can't believe this movie is not appreciated enough
Still more convenient and less time-consuming than drawing each frame by hand. Impressive feat nevertheless.
that will blow your mind, but 3D animation is still done completely by hand. Thats the reason you can have 50+ animators on one project
Alita is such a great movie and I really appreciate that Vox took the time to showcase this technological marvel together with WETA. I hope we get a sequel!
I can also only recommend the source material. It is really worth the read!
But do the pores stretch? :P
I've been expecting you to show up here :D
Wren!!
Love you Wren!
I don't know. But you know who would? Those Corridor guys. ;-)
HEYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you're the best!
It's sad that FF Spirit Within still hasn't received the respect it deserves for being staggeringly impressive for its time.
Impressive but the story, pacing and direction was awful
Final Fantasy: The Spirit Within was the one that kick-started my interest in gaming. The image back then felt super photo-realistic
technology has come such a long way, 2001 be looking like mark zuckerberg, and 2021 be looking like real humans
Thanks. I lolled.
Reminded me of how much I enjoyed Alita.
Seriously when are we gonna get part 2?
after avatar 4
Alita 2 is cancelled by Disney.
Please read the manga, the manga is a million times better
as a 3D artist, this video makes me so happy to watch. While i am not a character artist, understanding how light reflects off of any surface is a HUUUUUGGGEEEEE part of understanding materials/textures and how 3D really works.
For organic textures, like skin, light doesn't actually hit the surface of our skin, it slightly shines through the first layer and bounces off of a second layer of our skin. Thus why the rock in the 2nd mummy movies looks so weird.
I love what i do, 3D work is like an endless void of always learning.
I would have liked the video to go a bit into how the simulate the skin stretching when moving and how the simulate muscles and bones.
I will admit when I was younger, I did think The Polar Express was a live-action movie.
me too and i was like wait this looks real and not real at the same time and i realized it was animated
Me too lol I thought they were real people. Also that other movie Tim Tim or something
1:22 I’m sorry did you just say mango?
We need Alita Battle Angel - part 2 !!!!!!
YEAH!!!
1:32 It's nice to see that Corridor Crew are a staple when it comes to the making of VFX
Niko from Corridor Crew: Do the pores stretch? Sub surface scattering?
I remember watching the behind the scenes of The Lord of the Rings 20 years ago and they explain how they created the first photo realistic digital character: Golum.
The digital artists learned from actual practical effects artists how to create skin by "painting" layers of color and texture and showing veins, etc. It's amazing 🤩
That combo of the “What joy there is in living” line and then having Alita wake up, *chef’s kiss*
You guys should also dive into the animation side of it....This is the next level that is even harder to create. Even with mocap....something in the human mind knows when something isn't real.
The human mind has been trained for so long to know what is a real human...that when you see a CG human...you can tell something is off. Not by the texture of the skin...I know CG will get good enough to produce photo real skin soon...but by how the face moves...the small twitches in the lip or darts of the eye.
“The mummy returns scorpion king is played by The Rock. You wouldn’t know it…”
Bro what??! It’s obvious
“The Milk Guy” had me dead.
I like how the video starts like it’s going to use the final fantasy movie as the base for comparison. But then the entire video basically talks about the Rock as the Scorpion King instead.
The fact that i knew what subsurface scattering is straight away because of corridor digital is hilarious!
So cool! I’ve not seen that movie, but I recently got into CJ graphics about a year ago and it’s really fun to hear all these familiar terms being used!
Great video!
(CG!!! It auto corrected)
Anything to bring up Alita. I want that sequel after watching it a few months ago.
I was absolutely geeking out watching this video! Loved it! Thank you!
Finally Vox back with actually good videos
the detail on Thanos is very impressive as well.
I love alita battle angel movie,it has an absolutely amazing story,its one of my top 3 favorite movies
This video is really cool and explain really well (even if I already knew some of the information, but that is just so cool so cool to see they are appearling here !)
I'm a junior motion designer, so I knew most of the stuff, but this video was very well explained to all levels of knowledge, interesting even for professionals. Well done.
One could only imagine how Alita 2 would gonna be like, given the VFX technological advances being made along the way.
It wouldn't be much. Alita looks as good as it gets.
When I first watched Final Fantasy, I didn’t even realize it was an animated movie till about halfway through the movie.
Seriously? They wanted you to know it was CG.
@@adurpandya2742 Back when the movie came out people weren't really used to it. It's easy to point out all the hilariously bad CG in it now but back then the excitement of seeing what was on screen filled in the mental gaps of what it was lacking.
Totally agree
@@W3irdWombat I watched it back then
Final Fantasy: TSW was advanced for its time though was its box office failure one of the reasons why Squaresoft merged with Enix?
No, Squarsoft and Enix were already going to merge. If anything the bombing of this movies delayed the merger.
The main culprit in is the weak storyline, and the acting. There's nothing tangentially related to Final Fantasy whatsoever other than some names homage. Instead we got generic Sunday sci-fi fare.
Welcome back Phil! Great topic as always. Final Fantasy, manga? I always knew you were a man of culture!
2:13 hit me hard, just bursted out laughing
Incredible video. 😊
One step at time, one step at the time, progress demand patience and passion
It's quite amazing how intelligent these people are.
Nick Epstein was a visual fx supervisor on children of men, and that movie’s baby scene was so realistic I cried
I've never been this early! Just want to use this opportunity to say, I love your Explained series and Vox Darkroom, but my absolute favourite has to be Vox Borders! I've been following Vox since I was in freshman year, and I'll be going into college now. I really wanna be a host and video producer for y'all someday :)
are u american or indian
@@URANUSguys are those the only places?
@@rj-mu7ns i think so who else uses freshmen
@@rj-mu7ns what do u think then
I appreciate their work with doing ranging from light to dark
incredible all the science and hard calculations and such that goes into making art. amazing
You could’ve brought corridor digital who talked about realistic faces in their video
"Do the pores stretch? "😅
@@michele__bonelli 😂 subsurface scattering?
@@rayneozier They should have asked Niko :D
@@michele__bonellibruh you mean they should have brought niko instead of an expert who worked in "weta digital", who specifically worked on the skin texture on a cinematic character with procedural bloodflow, muscular stretches and pores? No offense, i love niko, even though he is a 3d animator, this is a different story here
Corridor digital vs weta digital, one is an multi award studio and one is an TH-cam studio.
Spirits Within was so good tho it doesn't get enough love
This actually helped a lot as a 2d artist, it's gonna level up my rendering game
Final Fantasy: Kings Glaive, easily mastered this art. I thought I was looking at a real person during certain scenes with the lighting
WE NEED AN ALITA BATTLE ANGLE 2 !!!!! My god I loved that movie I hope they make part 2 .
Still waiting
I loved it so much I got it on Blu Ray and 4K...I don't have a 4K player yet but I know first movie going to watch when I get one.
One of the biggest problems to me with Final Fantasy was the awkward stilted body movements. It repeatedly took me out of the movie. It was clear that they did not use any kind of motion capture.
I think what WETA Digital and Andy Serkis were able to do with motion capture for Gollum in Lord of the Rings really changed the game for everyone after that.
people that watch corridor know they mention this like 1000 times
0:40 ok Alita isn't uncanny valley. But if there was an area between uncanny valley and normal, that'd be where she is.
1:06 that name......
When can we get the Alita sequel?
I like the netflix series Love Death and Robots. The Michael B. Jordan episode. So freaking life like.
Snow in the desert was even more realistic during the dropship scene where the guy walks down the ramp, it looks real!
It's a travesty that we won't get an alita sequel.
Never , alita 2 is replaced by upcoming avatar sequels
I legit thought it was him irl at first
Just read the manga bro 😎
When they were talking about dynamic changes, and were reading the sentences, I noticed one guy was sort of smiling as he said his sentence. I think that's actually a hugely overlooked factor in this presentation. I've seen a lot of video games that have the correct mouth positions when somebody is practising neutral speech, but something such as a slight smile while talking (or any subtle contextually related emotion) is big for conveying realism.
I've been deep diving in videos like these with a format like these even scary, or historic videos.
I was obsessed with Avatar when it came out. My mom didn’t even have to have me mention it- she bought me the dvd right after its release.😭❤️
"Do the pores stretch?"
-Niko from Corridor
I remember seeing Final Fantasy at the cinema with a friend. We were blown away by how real it looked. Have to see if I can rewatch it, see how it compares 20 years later.
This is why Encanto is so stunning to look at, also Soul. They both animate skin so beautifully. I'm even amazed about how glazing on pottery is lit in Encanto.
0:30 to be fair, there are games not, and for some time already, with much, much better skin than that. Some techniques to make skin looks more "real" already became standard.
The next frontier is keeping the body shape instead of distorting it like clay. The first one that I remember put this technology to test was Spider Man Miles Morales, but just as a test with some of his uniforms.
*VFX Supervisor:* Sir! We've finally figured out how to make realistic milk! How much do you want?
*Shrek 2 Director:* Yes
Thanks for that last line, editor.
I can’t imagine how much work it will take to make our own avatars this way for the metaverse. I’m using VRoid and blender for VRChat- but THAT- wow
Holy molly I totally forgot about the final fantasy movie. It was superb at the time, I'm totally going to rewatch it now.
Y’all should have used games like The Last of Us 2 or FF7 remake. Some of the best skin textures I’ve seen!
I think this movie was way better on the skin
Red dead 2, last of us 2, maybe god of war, spiderman and many many more. Video games are unbelievably advanced graphically nowadays
@@dedeadam9698 Pre-rendered is always going to be better than real-time. That's a given. But what ND and Santa Monica do with skin is seriously impressive, considering that it's real time.
Games textures are very low quality compared to movies, they don't have as many real time shaders and are very low res (2048x2048) at most (4096x4096)
@@juanlucas8907 Considering how close the quality of high end games is to pre-rendered technology, it seems like we're starting to receive diminishing returns.
This is also really helpful for digital portrait artists
Nice work Vox, as always.
Yay, somebody is mentioning ALITA, I lu lu lu loved that film!
There are two items that have the greatest impact on how vfx appear that are not mentioned in this video. Time and money. Given enough of both anyone can create completely lifelike renders. Unfortunately, studios never want to spend the money and are already pushing for less time. There is a lot that goes on behind the scenes that the general public never hears about.
RIP Rhythm and Hues
the biggest problem of Vox is how short this videos are, I could watch your docs for hours!
one thing to keep in mind when we are watching such footage is that what we see is not simply a cg final render, there is compositing involved and color grading. a world of touchup beyond the 3d final render.
We Need ALITA sequel 🙏🏻😭
Sadly the sequel is cancelled by Disney.
@@user-xd7mk2xz2h This Batman guy is just a troll spreading false facts here.
Disney never said the sequel was cancelled and they never will, even if there won't be one.
Well for whats worth, really enjoyed Final Fantasy & Alita.😘.
👍 to those artists that worked on both films.
This just proves that every detail matters
Finally a video that actually covers the question in the title