Which Juno is right for you? Comparing Roland Boutiques and the Dreadbox Nymphes to the Juno-106
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ก.ค. 2024
- For some reason I have multiple Juno-style synths. Might as well compare them as I decide which ones to keep. How do the Roland JU-06A, JU-06 and Dreadbox Nymphes stack up against the classic Juno-106?
0:00 - Intro
1:49 - Sound Comparison
4:38 - Chorus
7:10 - Polyphony
10:35 - Extra Features
16:40 - Pros/Cons
24:42 - Which to buy?
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I've just bought the Nymphes and the Typhon. I've always been into synthwave and I discovered the Dreadbox gear and loved the branding and their portability for my small desk. Only started playing with them both today so I have a lot of learning to do!
Nice. Yeah, I love how small and powerful the Nymphes is. I want to get my hands on a Typhon at some point too
Pretty cool! I got Juno sounds through my SH-4d. Previously had a real 106 in a band, always loved those pad sounds, and granted some presets in Native Instruments Kontakt are "the thing" but at the same time not similarly tweakable. Was thinking about the JU-06A earlier when considering a Boutique, but went for a JD-08 instead. Glad I did, because I would have had (full) overlap with the SH-4d that I got later, but there is not the same overlap between the 4d and the 08. VERY happy with both. ..... not a purist ;) aaand cool video!
Thanks! Yeah there are so many different ways to get the Juno sounds these days. I'm no purist either, so whatever sounds good. Curious about the SH-4d too. Might have to give one a try at some point
just found the best option for powering up the nymphes. Grab a Korg NTS-1 and run the nymphes through it's fx chain. Besides the many options available in the custom fx market righ now, the base effects provide really good chorus/ensemble delay and reverb options that sound amazing with the nymphes. And its only about $100 to add that to your toolkit,
Thanks! I've been looking at the NTS-1, but haven't had the chance to try one yet. Maybe someday
this is the definitive video, which one should I get the nymphes or the vintage 106.... thank goodness the video shows a clear path. I need both. lol.
Ha. Sorry if I have accidentally sent you down an expensive road
would llove to see more of these comparisons with random synths like wavetables only, or virtual analog only, granular only etc
That would be fun! Need to see what I have that would make for some more good comparisons
Keep going back and forth on whether to get the JU-06a, picked up a JX-08 at launch and love that little thing. Would be nice to see a update release with more than 4 voices, definitely the main downside for me
Great comparison video!
Hey thanks! Yeah, if it weren't for the voice count I'd say Roland nailed it with the JU-06a. If they are able to correct that I'd love for it to be a firmware update instead of an entirely new unit, but that won't make them as much money, so we know how that will go, I suppose.
@@BayMud I'm no expert in the terminology, but I think with the earlier Boutiques they were using something called ACB (analog circuit behaviour I think) modelling which is much more accurate than the ZenCore that they're using for the newer JX-08 & JD-08 models (and the model expansions for ZenologyPro). My JX-08 has 20-voice polyphony.
I think the System 8 also used the ACB modelling but due to the higher specs could give 8 voices in the same Juno model as the JU-06.
Whereas I think the Juno/Jupiter-X ranges are using ZenCore which gives you slightly less accurate recreations but a much higher voice count.
Roland really don't do themselves any favours in terms of how complicated they make all this!
Oh yeah, I had heard something about the ACB vs Zencore stuff. So many variables!
I have both, the JX-08 is indeed ZenCore so not as true a model, but to me it sounds just as rich and warm and the 20 voices / bitimbrality / extra effects, second oscillator etc. make it a significantly better boutique IMO. I keep the JU-06A around mostly because it looks awesome.
@@richardharris9708 That's good to know! I also love the look of the JU-06A. Ha. Not sure it will stick around long term, but I'm fickle like that
Great comparisons of the different Juno-ish options. I would throw the Behringer Deepmind into the mix as well.
Thanks! I haven't had the chance to get my hands on a Deepmind, but heard good things
I don't think deepmind count, aside looks DM is very complex machine. Maybe their actual juno clone when it comes out might better choice.
@@HatredPrime Yes, it is more complex but at its core, it's essentially a Juno clone. Jorb made a collection of all the Juno presets for the DM and the vast majority of them sound damn near identical. Where they usually fall short is with the chorus. They don't sound bad, mind you, just not exactly like that sweet Juno chorus.
@@HatredPrimethe deepmind is not complex at all. That being said it certainly can go miles deeper than a Juno 6. Majority of your sound design is layed out for you just like a Juno 6. Menu diving isn’t difficult one bit as the layout makes “diving” very straightforward.
nice video! thanks
Thanks for checking it out
My Juno 60 is just perfect for me. To get close with any 3-voice synth, set one to square wave, one to sawtooth and one to square an octave lower. Use a 24dB filter if available. If you only have a 2 voice synth, you'll have to choose what two occlusion you want to mimic.
Try this with soft-synths as well. You'll be amazed how close you get with the right filters. I do comparison with my Juno 60 on every synth I own just to see how close they can get. The filter is the key.
Worth a shot! Thanks for the tips. Haven't had the pleasure of coming across a Juno 60, but maybe someday
I have a Juno-60 and a DeepMind12. They can sound alike, but the DM12 has so much more capabilities. But the Juno-60 will never go away, nostalgia and such.
I've been curious about the Deepmind. Seems like a capable synth!
Good video. Too bad you didn’t have a Juno x to compare as well.
Thanks! Yeah, so many comparisons possible. Maybe someday I'll get a hold of one
I love Dreadbox just bought the Typhon and its amazing. I love that poly Dreadbox you have they sound lush...
I've been curious about getting a hold of a Typhon at some point. Seems lots of folks enjoy those
Juno-X, i love this inspiring keyboard ❤
I've heard good things, but haven't had the chance to try one yet
Can One ever have enough Synth's? ... Even Duplicates can come in handy for more Complicated Situations ( you can always use the Soft Synth version) .. As you said you have your Live Setup and keep the Original at home where it's Safe ! ... This is definitely a Challenging issue !
Challenging indeed! I find it's so easy to get caught up in new toys without realizing you end up with a lot of sonic overlap. Not always a bad thing, but overkill in this case
Not sure if you mentioned this, but you could have put those 2 Roland Boutiques in polychain mode, loaded up the same patch and played them as an 8-voice synth.
I didn't try that (no longer have the JU-06, just the 06A), but my understanding is they don't work as seamlessly together as other boutiques (as they aren't the same model), so it's a bit more cumbersome. Worth a shot if anyone still has both though
Holy shit man i think i was talking to you on reddit for awhile and you got me into getting a deluge. Correct me if I’m wrong but i could of swore you said your group was bay mud? If so i had no idea you had a youtube channel? Im the guy who last time we talked you were going into some type of collective or competition of sort.
That's me! Ha. How are you enjoying the Deluge? Did you ever join the Discord?
@@BayMud no shit man how you been? Deluge is great. Still a ton to learn and have had a bit of trouble with tight clock sync in ableton but love how easy it is to get a best going. I have never used discord before but can definitely join it
@joeymc5272 oh yeah, so much to learn. The open-source stuff makes it even more interesting (compressor! Stereo chorus! Etc.). Here's an invite to the Discord, but always feel free to drop me a line wherever. Good to hear from you! discord.gg/Uc5qQYmt
You had me when you said “We’re not going to do something scientific”😂
Ha. Thanks! I figured that was a helpful disclaimer
Maybe no need to choose between 'em. Buy them all and later for full phat flavour!
Ha. So many Junos! I'm letting go of the JU-06 at least. We'll see what happens with the rest
The Nymphes sounds to me like it has a bit more "bite". I don't know how else to describe it. It's just that touch more bite and grit over the Junos... until you throw on the chorus at which point you'd be quite hard pressed to tell them apart in a blind test. I also wonder how anyone could seriously tell any of these apart in a final track that's been mixed and produced. In the context of all the other elements of a track, I seriously doubt anyone's going to say "hey, he's using a Dreadbox Nymphes and not an original Juno... I hate this song now"
Yeah, there are differences, but they can be subtle depending on the setting. I think some of it is due to fader tolerance too, but all told I like the Nymphes quite a bit and agree that it wouldn't matter in a mix (I don't care what gear I'm hearing if it all sounds good!)
Sweetwater has the JU-06A's on sale for $350
Good deal if you're in the US. I'm in Canada where they are $550CAD + tax new
@@BayMud ooof thats rough. Sorry to hear. =/
@@lucid484 yeah we get shafted. Should be less if you look at currency exchange, but it's always more expensive for whatever reason
@@BayMud Can you just order from the US? I ordered some stuff from the UK and made out pretty good that way because of the exchange rate.
@@lucid484 In my experience it's rarely been worth it, as we get hit with duties/customs fees on top of shipping. 90% of my gear has been found via local second-hand deals anyway, to try and keep it as cheap as possible (marginally, at least. Ha).
Release sounds pretty different
Yeah, I mentioned a few times that the different slider lengths make a few things tricky to dial in just right, but could be tweaked further if you want exact (which I don't really care about)
I would probably just buy the original unit. There are so many of them around in great condition and prices aren't too bad. Can pick up a 106s for example, the version with the speakers, for as low as $1300. Or the regular 106 for $1500 or $1600. That's pretty good for what is an iconic synth basically. I get wanting to save money though that's understandable. But it's one of those icon things it's worth the spend I think.
Fair enough! Though I think it depends on where you live too. Here I see them for $2000-3000 (CAD) in varying condition, which can get someone a lot of other gear. For me it's also about being portable, so I use the Nymphes more, which cost less than getting new voice chips for an original (which mine will need at some point, but is still fine for now). In the end, it depends what you need/want and can justify for your setup
@@BayMud Fair enough. In the US the situation is a little different. I bought my Juno 60 from Switched On and it was about $1600 back in 2018 I think. The 106 runs at about $1500 to $2300 or so. Can get some great bargains at the lower end of that spectrum though. The main point is there are lots of them available and you can probably snag one at a good price. And it's a classic so those are good reasons to own one anyway. If you need portability yeah of course, the 106 is not the best choice. Dreadbox is great. I'd love one myself personally.
Yeah, it's not yet priced out of reach for a lot of folks who want a classic, at least (your budget may vary, of course). Personally, if I hadn't been sitting on one for over a decade I don't think I could justify it, as there are so many versatile options out there these days (especially in the portable category), but I'm in a pretty privileged position to have any of this stuff. Ha
@@BayMud Fair enough man. Everyone has their own priorities. You know what, I kind of lean the other way now. I don't want versatility. I am only after sound. It took me a while to get to this point but I am convinced that this is the way for me. Having a dedicated thing for a job etc etc. E.g. my Korg Prologue. I use it only for pads. It is sort of like an Ensoniq SQ series or maybe Prophet VS at times. That kind of hybrid sound (even though it's analogue mostly). It sounds great doing pads and also, which is important, it mixes well doing pads. And that's all it does because that is its strength in the context of what I do. But I understand that's a luxury. Not everyone can afford one synth per job. I produce for a living so for me this is a need. And I would emphasize dedicated tools (one per job) over versatility. For example a Model D (recent reissue is fine) and "pick your poly" would be enough to do almost any edm style but will sound great doing it. Mono is more important so if you can't afford two, mono takes precedence. Can always use ableton for poly duties or whatever you use.
But hey that's my workflow and there is something to be said for versatility. I just prefer one or two dedicated options that sound the best in class for what I want (and best here is what I say it is; it's a subjective thing i.e. best for me).
@@Screaming-Trees I can see where you're coming from, for sure. We're all inspired by different things and have different workflows. I do 90% of my electronic music on my Deluge and don't really NEED anything else, but gear is fun and addictive, so here we are with a room full of stuff I get distracted by instead of finishing that song I was working on that one time. Ha
Nice toes
Ha! I was waiting to see who noticed. I swear I thought I was standing out of frame
Shame Roland skimped on the 2 missing voices, especially as it's DSP. Dreadbox all the way
Yeah, 4 voices is a tough sell, for sure. The Nymphes is a magical little box too, so it's an easy decision for me