Der Notazt That was hilarious. I lol'd hard. Now I almost want to go into a Lincoln dealership, ask the salesman to pop the hood, assert how cool it is that there's a cupholder on the engine, and see if he runs with it and tries to use it as a selling point. Sometimes comedy is worth looking like a complete moron.
Here's the truth about FWD. On a racetrack, a similar powered FWD can put power down slightly more efficiently vs. other platforms due to shorter driveshafts. However, while the FWD will hang with other platforms in the beginning of the race, the front tires will wear faster and lap times will decrease quicker than other platforms. Where the FWD truly shines is on a touge-type road. A rough and dirty surface, with many tight corners. This is where the shorter wheelbase and lightweight compactness of the drivetrain provides superior maneuverability and stability. That should settle the fanboy comments :)
A mid engined, RWD car such as a Toyota MR2 can put power down just as efficiently as a FWD car, since there drivetrain is essencially the same, but at the middle of the car rather than the front :)
Niall Hemmings From my experiences the MR2 (SW20, not driven an AW11 yet) had a lot more understeer than I expected from stories of it's bad liftoff oversteer. It will only bite you if you're being obnoxious ie. playing eurobeat and sliding the tail out while yelling "DORIFTU KINGU." I think the majority of the claims of the SW20's nervousness are from people getting into nasty tank slappers when they tried to brake mid-corner during the start of a slide because they didn't know any better, but that applies to most midships so I can't really fault that characteristic too much. Once you start learning to control the weight there are few cars more rewarding to drive. It's kind of an "easy to learn, hard to master" type deal.
thedog556 Do you realize you just said I don't know shit about cars and then immediately made the claim that FWD cars can't turn? You do realize that a front biased weight distribution makes the rear end more unstable under braking, hence, easier to lose traction, and oh... I don't know... TURN. And do you also realize I just said FWD's are generally slower on a track as laps increase? You do know that WRC cars, some of the best handling cars in the world, have a rear differential release on the handbrake SPECIFICALLY to take advantage of a FWD only platform around extremely tight corners? Are you a real person? Because I think you might be a robot sent from the future to make us all dumber.
I've driven a JCW mini cooper, pretty sure that counts as a "performance FWD", sure it drives good, but it RWD/AWD will still always be and feel better.
this is the argument of every fwd fan boy , fwd does have it's uses it can be a good choice up until a certain performance level , when it comes to top and i mean top performance fwd is not the right solution fucking live with it
I just want to mention that I've noticed how much better the narration of your videos has become! Truth be told, I wasn't too keen on it in the beginning, but you've come a long way! Don't stop being awesome, and thank you for making these informative videos!
well the civic was made as an economy car that is lightweight for good fuel economy... when people realized that power+lightweight= fast it became history...and they are the cheapest cars to go fast with if you're on a budget
iHeart GT86 {KatyCat} Because Toyota went to shit after 2005-2007 This car and LFA are earlier and last projects when they tried. LFA started back in 2000 when Supra and Celica were produced and this cars was last breather of TRD for customers mostly due to competition of other perf cars in Australia. After this.....only hiring job....GT86 is is fully Subaru's work and Yaris they have now is private tuner company being hired by them....BMW does the """"""Supra"""""". Old true Toyota is long gone
Another note for the LM Nismo, along with its petrol and electric engines, it also had a flywheel system that spun in a reinforced housing at something near or over the speed of sound, which is where most of its power came from, 600ish I believe. Sadly that system also broke on race day along with the electric motors
Nathan Vonlanthen I personally don't like the brz. Its mainly the beard it has that turns me off. the FRS....well now 86 with it's fangs I like alot more. Interior wise the brz does win though, with it costing a bit more but being a more premium feeling everything.
You forgot the GM supercharged 3800 engine in fwd cars such as the Monte Carlo SS, Grand Prix GTP and Buick Regal GS. also, the LS4 V8 in Impala SS vehicles, Monte Carlo SS, Pontiac Grand Prix GXP and Buick LaCrosse Super.
I agree with the v8 versions but they never used the 3800 to the potential tuners get out of them. less than 300 hp even for the "supercharged" versions.
Forgot to mention the 9th gen Impala SS & some of the Northstar engined cars. & also, many V6-optioned generic US & Japanese sedans in North America are pushing around 300.
VisioRacer well, the new Lacrosse has an equal 310 hp. & the Northstar & LS4 have a fair bit above the Civic Type R. Just some random forgettable but sleeper cars a lot of you guys in Europe don't realize we have here.
Loomi Nah. The SS has 305HP. It doesn't matter though. The base LS, LT and LTZ from 2011 through 2014 have the LFX V6 3.6 which pushes out 306HP. Mated with a 6-speed, it is slightly faster than the SS. I have a 2013 LT and that thing is fast for what it is.
There is also a guy in Sweden with a 600+hp first generation 9-3 with a 2.3l 4cyl bored to 2.5l. Running high compression and low boost to make the power in that car. Since those were pretty notorious for having bad torque steer even at the 205-235hp mark, I can't even imagine how terrifying it is to drive without suspension upgrades and an LSD.
I see you saw my comment on a video a while back. I pointed the toronado out to you! Nice to see it back in your videos. Your content is always fun to watch, keep it up!
In Argentina exist a racing category which uses commercial models of cars, but it only uses the body. The engine and the drivetrain that uses this competition are the same from Radical sport prototypes, with the diference that the V8 Hayabusa based-engine is mounted on front and they are FWD cars. The category name is Super TC2000, and some of the cars in this competition are Ford Focus, Renault Mégane, Toyota Corolla, Peugeot 408, Chevrolet Cruze, Citroën C4 Lounge.
In Japan, the maximum output was limited to 280 horsepower from around 1990 to June 30 2004 under self-regulation by automobile manufacturers (excluding export models).
I was hoping to see the P1 Nissan on this list. It's so good because of how the rules are so strict on rear aero but not front, and Nissan being Nissan, they innovated and did the unusual
I saw the thumbnail i was like "This is totaly a clickbait" Then look again "VisioRacer Channel" Ok this is legit i'm in. Thanks for not being a clickbaiter Awsome videos 👍
+VisioRacer I've been a follower and love your content so much, keep it goin man! I'm going to keep watching as long as you make content. You're awesome!
The gtrlm wasn't supposed to be fwd only, it had to run the way because the electric motors driving the rear had intermittent issues during it's 24 hours of LeMans run.
RS500 for me any day!! Even if the new focus awd was on offer i would take the RS500!!! Brilliant FWD car!! If not one of the best ever made!!! And that 5 banger is just better than a 4 banger!! IMO
Believe it or not, that car of Chris Rado's Scion tC Time Attack is actually all wheel drive. His car came stock with a FWD layout. Nonetheless, the Scion tC TA has a four cylinder, 1,200hp output. With a figure of that, he will have so much torque steer and the inability to turn corners, unless he has an open differential which would probably do little solving to overcome the force and difficulty of steering to that power figure. So, AWD is the layout for the car to become the quickest and fastest Time Attack car in the world. On the other side, the car's engine isn't made to last forever, since so much records of his engine catching fire, due to the fact that his engine has a high RPM redline. His car, basically, overheats due to the aggressive and vigorous operation of the engine combusting. You learn something new everyday, Mr VisioRacer.
Hey Visio, search for some brazilian vw called "gol". The ones that use a engine called AP are easy to tune, and some of them get close to 1000cv (the drag ones). Btw, nice intro!
How do you like the new intro, guys? 🙂
VisioRacer super good
i lijke it but i still not used to it!
VisioRacer New intro is brilliant!
VisioRacer
It looks proffesional! :)
VisioRacer amazing and nice drift as well
5:00
A car so american, it even has cupholders at the engine.
Der Notarzt stole my comment lmao
DollaBill lmao
Oh sorry for that, i dont had the time to read all the comments :)
Der Notazt That was hilarious. I lol'd hard. Now I almost want to go into a Lincoln dealership, ask the salesman to pop the hood, assert how cool it is that there's a cupholder on the engine, and see if he runs with it and tries to use it as a selling point. Sometimes comedy is worth looking like a complete moron.
+K31TH3R its for the mechanic to put his drink when fixing it, you know since it breaks down a lot
Here's the truth about FWD. On a racetrack, a similar powered FWD can put power down slightly more efficiently vs. other platforms due to shorter driveshafts. However, while the FWD will hang with other platforms in the beginning of the race, the front tires will wear faster and lap times will decrease quicker than other platforms. Where the FWD truly shines is on a touge-type road. A rough and dirty surface, with many tight corners. This is where the shorter wheelbase and lightweight compactness of the drivetrain provides superior maneuverability and stability. That should settle the fanboy comments :)
A mid engined, RWD car such as a Toyota MR2 can put power down just as efficiently as a FWD car, since there drivetrain is essencially the same, but at the middle of the car rather than the front :)
Pedro Amado You're right, and you used one of my favorite cars to make the point. Bravo!
although with the mr2 you'll experience a bit of snap oversteer
Niall Hemmings From my experiences the MR2 (SW20, not driven an AW11 yet) had a lot more understeer than I expected from stories of it's bad liftoff oversteer. It will only bite you if you're being obnoxious ie. playing eurobeat and sliding the tail out while yelling "DORIFTU KINGU." I think the majority of the claims of the SW20's nervousness are from people getting into nasty tank slappers when they tried to brake mid-corner during the start of a slide because they didn't know any better, but that applies to most midships so I can't really fault that characteristic too much. Once you start learning to control the weight there are few cars more rewarding to drive. It's kind of an "easy to learn, hard to master" type deal.
thedog556 Do you realize you just said I don't know shit about cars and then immediately made the claim that FWD cars can't turn? You do realize that a front biased weight distribution makes the rear end more unstable under braking, hence, easier to lose traction, and oh... I don't know... TURN. And do you also realize I just said FWD's are generally slower on a track as laps increase? You do know that WRC cars, some of the best handling cars in the world, have a rear differential release on the handbrake SPECIFICALLY to take advantage of a FWD only platform around extremely tight corners? Are you a real person? Because I think you might be a robot sent from the future to make us all dumber.
your Channel has grown so much! I remember when you made vids without any commentary
Luis Garcia what 4 months ago.....
Mel's 12valve actually ive been watching him for a year
Luis Garcia I know I been subbed since he had like 1k subs
Ferrari
FWD isn't terrible...
It is tho.
The Real Bleach yes not terrible but not good too
Omfgwhothefuckcares Ever driven a performance FWD? Or are you a 12 year old who goes around spouting bollocks because someone on CarThrottle said so?
I've driven a JCW mini cooper, pretty sure that counts as a "performance FWD", sure it drives good, but it RWD/AWD will still always be and feel better.
this is the argument of every fwd fan boy , fwd does have it's uses it can be a good choice up until a certain performance level , when it comes to top and i mean top performance fwd is not the right solution fucking live with it
I just want to mention that I've noticed how much better the narration of your videos has become! Truth be told, I wasn't too keen on it in the beginning, but you've come a long way! Don't stop being awesome, and thank you for making these informative videos!
Lmao that front spoiler 😂😂
If it works, it is not stupid (:
the spoiler is to make the car work because it's FWD and it also has 1200 HP
S a n d s its not rice because it sets world recotd,u obviously dont know what rice means
Sharpshotz its awd not fwd
Ridiculous angle of attack
Microsoft needs to put Chris Rado's Scion into Forza, I'd buy that car pack...
Fwd advantage is that it has less weight than rwd or awd car
Cheaper and lighter.
and cheaper to mass produce
And less powerloss due to less friction in the drivetrain
mid-rear rwd is lighter but have only 2 seats
A random swede plays throw in enough money and you can make a fwd fun
Some cars are just supposed to be FWD, like civics. RWD or AWD civic would just defeat the purpose
well the civic was made as an economy car that is lightweight for good fuel economy... when people realized that power+lightweight= fast it became history...and they are the cheapest cars to go fast with if you're on a budget
Tegthhu my brother has put an AWD differential in his Accord lmao
Thats pretty dope!
Tegthhu still stock h22 engine but he put a turbo so extra hp around 320 whp
Sounds awesome does he have any videos or other content of it ?
your accent is super funny, and your content is amazing
I suppose that's what distinguishes my channel from others, thanks!
The scion tC is hotter than my crush... God Damn 1200 hp? My tc has 160 and she's fast
Jonathan Chen shes slow
TCs are slow as fuck
how many horsepower does your crush have?
@@WiscoMTB37 with a turbo it isnt otherwise yeah its just a 2 door camry
Your english has gotten better and more understandable since your first videos with commentary. Keep up the good work.
the ford has a volvo engine
Yep
and five cylinders inside ;)
TiberiumKANE ford block, Volvo head *
I thought I heard a 5 cylinder!!!
_Milo
Ford block with a Volvo head? Who told you that guff?
It's heavily based on the Volvo B5254T3 with some minor changes for the Ford applications.
I see chris rado's scion tc monster in the thumbnail, i inmediately press like.
Fwd or not I still would love a Rs500
Fuck man. Those flames are badass. Was that thing stock, or was it modded? It'd be insane if it came stock like that lol
The_Red Bullet probably a flame kit
If it's fwd just drive it backwards
_Problem Solved!_
Sergio González Torres holy shit! I've been bamboozled
It's funny cos you and everyone that commented made yourselves look like rookies
man that rs500 sounds amazing
mine mate thanks
4:49 It's so wonderful that there's a drink holder even in the engine room...
9:34 nfs shift 2 nostalgia kicked in! anyway, i like the new intro.
TL98 true :D
The Ford Focus RS 500 is actually powered by a 5 cylinder engine, the engines displacement was 2 litres
Fwd, well I'd love a civic si.
Mel's 12valve Make sure you put a wing and lots of stickers on it to maximize your horsepower.
The VisioRacer sticker adds 50hp because of the turbo on it FYI.
ThyAngelOfMusic lmao maybe you own that type of car your saying, with big wings and lots of stickers, even in the seats and the dashboard i guess xD
So Toyota put a supercharger on their damn camry but not on their PURPOSE BUILT GT86 SPORTSCAR WHAT THE FUCKKKKKK!!!!
Its TRD Australia, they are a separate division of toyota
iHeart GT86 {KatyCat} Because Toyota went to shit after 2005-2007 This car and LFA are earlier and last projects when they tried. LFA started back in 2000 when Supra and Celica were produced and this cars was last breather of TRD for customers mostly due to competition of other perf cars in Australia. After this.....only hiring job....GT86 is is fully Subaru's work and Yaris they have now is private tuner company being hired by them....BMW does the """"""Supra"""""". Old true Toyota is long gone
Another note for the LM Nismo, along with its petrol and electric engines, it also had a flywheel system that spun in a reinforced housing at something near or over the speed of sound, which is where most of its power came from, 600ish I believe. Sadly that system also broke on race day along with the electric motors
The Taurus SHO is AWD since 2010. For all the other cars, can electric motors be installed to drive the rear wheels?
Lee Vasquez Yes, but it would be expensive and you would need to find a place to put all the batteries.
The newest XC90 T8 does that. It counts as a hybrid while still making close to 400 hp.
Getting better at drifting for your intro's 💪🏼💪🏼
Great intro ! The BRZ is one of my favourite cars, i think it looks much better than the GT86 outside and inside :D
Nathan Vonlanthen what are the real differences?
Tuning of the transmission and suspension, interior, exterior bodykit and head + tail lamps are the most significant ones
Nathan Vonlanthen I personally don't like the brz. Its mainly the beard it has that turns me off. the FRS....well now 86 with it's fangs I like alot more. Interior wise the brz does win though, with it costing a bit more but being a more premium feeling everything.
I agree about the interior and premium feel, but not about the looks. The GT86 looks more dated...
Nathan Vonlanthen Fair is fair.
The 86 of the intro. Is that your?
Yes, the BRZ.
Oh nice! The intro was good too.
Lol . Toyota is has the 86 , Subaru the BRZ and Scion
New Memer toybaru 86
Scion is one of the TOYOTA subbrand 2002-2016 (discontinued)
Nice Intro 💪
I'm sure somewhere out there, there's some dude on 1320 videos with a TT Civic pushing 6969hp or something.
Jason Jia That is BS
I thought his Scion was AWD
RyoFox630 If I remember correctly he has 2
Oh okay
RyoFox630 The Time Attack and the Drag
But I could be wrong
He had a FWD one and AWD one.
Gotcha ^^
6 out of the 9 cars I've owned were FWD. I ain't no hater. The most missed was one of them; had to sell due to circumstances. Appreciate what you got.
your channel, your content annd details are just perfect .. thank you very much and i hope to see more vids ..great intro bro 👍
10:02 for the thumbnail. i thought it was clickbait, but it's not, thanks lol
I don't do clickbaits
+VisioRacer but why at the end?
I'd get way better satisfaction if it were closer to the front of the video
kapil busawah lol at least its in the video right?
Kauai true
Don't give me spoilers.
(sorry for that pun).
You forgot the GM supercharged 3800 engine in fwd cars such as the Monte Carlo SS, Grand Prix GTP and Buick Regal GS. also, the LS4 V8 in Impala SS vehicles, Monte Carlo SS, Pontiac Grand Prix GXP and Buick LaCrosse Super.
ChevySpeed724 240 hp garbage....I ate them every day with a non turbo Integra, B18...non vtech....but some mods
I agree with the v8 versions but they never used the 3800 to the potential tuners get out of them. less than 300 hp even for the "supercharged" versions.
holy fuck i just looked at your subs dude and i subbed when you where at 6k, holy crap your channel has grown
The content is good and the commentary is solid. Thanks for making videos!
Forgot to mention the 9th gen Impala SS & some of the Northstar engined cars. & also, many V6-optioned generic US & Japanese sedans in North America are pushing around 300.
Around, but not more than the Civic :)
VisioRacer well, the new Lacrosse has an equal 310 hp. & the Northstar & LS4 have a fair bit above the Civic Type R. Just some random forgettable but sleeper cars a lot of you guys in Europe don't realize we have here.
Loomi The impala ss definitely pushes more than 300hp
anthony lach yeah it's 330 hp if I recall correctly.
Loomi Nah. The SS has 305HP. It doesn't matter though. The base LS, LT and LTZ from 2011 through 2014 have the LFX V6 3.6 which pushes out 306HP. Mated with a 6-speed, it is slightly faster than the SS. I have a 2013 LT and that thing is fast for what it is.
I got a friend that has a Golf 6 GTI and produces 295kw
Dope
4:56 I thought that was a cup holder on the engine bay for a second
The intro is very good but the music I have heard many times in other youtube channels and videos, greetings from Mexico, i like your videos 👍
I have a focus st at 300 bhp and it is fucking awesome!!
almost every car guy with a honda has 300hp+
JoraForever jajaja lol sure they do
yeah stickers give like 50hp and don't even get me started on fart cans
If they know what they're doing yeah
hondas are awesome, my friend has a crx with a k24 doing 220 whp all motor while my other friend with a integra packed with a b20vtec turbo doing 410
Omar Rodriguez car guys do have over 300hp,only ricers keep engine stock
There is also a guy in Sweden with a 600+hp first generation 9-3 with a 2.3l 4cyl bored to 2.5l. Running high compression and low boost to make the power in that car. Since those were pretty notorious for having bad torque steer even at the 205-235hp mark, I can't even imagine how terrifying it is to drive without suspension upgrades and an LSD.
Nismo and Cosworth a match made in heaven
Golf GTI, the only one thats actually practical.
Limborghini how is it the only one? The Toyota or the Taurus are way more practical.
tbh
vw golf is a sorta boring car in my eyes
PLPlolol 1 very boring
but its surely a nice everyday car
PLPlolol 1 very true
But I drive for fun
FWD is for security
RWD is for style and fun
AWD is for Off Road
FWD is for economy
RWD is for sport cars and luxury performance
AWD is for poor fuckers living up north
#floridaislit
you kinda of missed the whole point here
Sergio González Torres 4 wheel drive is for of road not AWD.
Zak Infanti how about those Subarus racing over sand?
4WD is for off-road not AWD
I see you saw my comment on a video a while back. I pointed the toronado out to you! Nice to see it back in your videos. Your content is always fun to watch, keep it up!
Theme of the video: FWD Cars
Intro: RWD Car
Like your Video! ;)
Wrong-wheel-drive
ahahahahaha Great
xConsti. Right wheel drive or left wheel drive? which one did you mean? :3
its the common name for Front Wheel Drive
idrc but i would prefer to own a RWD car someday
lmao its better then the electric bullshit we have today...
Nick Val true. I don't bash on hybrids but I hate fake driving experiences
first
Luis Ramos 20 seconds late
Brazuka?
i love it when ppl actually give info in a video
Great video as always! I had an idea for a future video and that's firetrucks. I think that fire trucks/police cars would make a great video.
In Argentina exist a racing category which uses commercial models of cars, but it only uses the body. The engine and the drivetrain that uses this competition are the same from Radical sport prototypes, with the diference that the V8 Hayabusa based-engine is mounted on front and they are FWD cars. The category name is Super TC2000, and some of the cars in this competition are Ford Focus, Renault Mégane, Toyota Corolla, Peugeot 408, Chevrolet Cruze, Citroën C4 Lounge.
In Japan, the maximum output was limited to 280 horsepower from around 1990 to June 30 2004 under self-regulation by automobile manufacturers (excluding export models).
yes the intro is really good!
@4:50 That's mighty nice of them to include a beer holder for when you work on the engine!
bro i love the new intro :)
Loving the new intro mate
I like listening to you talk, it's relaxing
Cool, your english is getting better! keep on man!
“Ford Fuckus” lmao dude i love your voice
Was hoping to see Bobas Golf MKI or MKII in the video, but alas. Great job nonetheless, love it!
I'm loving that new intro.
BTW The Ford/Lincoln 3.5 EcoBoost and the Scion are my favorites. (I am more of a V8 person, but I like some small engines)
Always discovering cars with this channel, and learning things.
Like the Eldorado, I just could not have imagined this boat being FWD.
4:49 you know you've built an unreliable car when the engine bay literally has a cup holder to use when you're working on the engine all the time
JK
i love the new intro
Girl walking past the RS500 at 3:11"Imma head out"
I was hoping to see the P1 Nissan on this list. It's so good because of how the rules are so strict on rear aero but not front, and Nissan being Nissan, they innovated and did the unusual
Dude. Your English is improving so damn quickly!
Fantastis intro BRO!
your english has improved so much
I saw the thumbnail i was like "This is totaly a clickbait"
Then look again "VisioRacer Channel"
Ok this is legit i'm in.
Thanks for not being a clickbaiter Awsome videos 👍
Love the new intro!
+VisioRacer I've been a follower and love your content so much, keep it goin man! I'm going to keep watching as long as you make content. You're awesome!
Thank youuu
That last car the 1200hp one, he doesn't show it but just after he stops showing the footage of it, the engine catches fire.
That Lincoln is so luxurious that it has a cupholder in the engine bay
Good new intro!! 👍👍
WHEN THAT V-TAC KICKS IN YOO
Love the new intro
LOVE THE NEW INTRO ❤️🔥🔥
sick intro bro!!!
Thx for the Australian shoutout👏
i love this channel
The gtrlm wasn't supposed to be fwd only, it had to run the way because the electric motors driving the rear had intermittent issues during it's 24 hours of LeMans run.
That rs500 sounds sooooo good
RS500 for me any day!! Even if the new focus awd was on offer i would take the RS500!!! Brilliant FWD car!! If not one of the best ever made!!! And that 5 banger is just better than a 4 banger!! IMO
That sc looks ridiculous but those wings actually work xD
A ricers dream xD
That Civic Type R in the beginning sounds better than any M4 I've ever heard, considering their exhaust sound like high-end fart cans
The Oldsmobile and Cadillac really caught me off guard
Love the Cadillac ElDorado v8. That car in excellent condition can really go.
The Lincoln even comes with a cup holder under the bonnet👍
The scion tc is probably the craziest looking a car can get before becoming rice. It's definitely functional though.
4:57 My dumbass though the oil screw cutout in the plastic was a cupholder 😂
I'm surprised,there weren't any Opels\Vauxhalls in the list. But anyway great video,interesting & informative as always with some legendary cars.
the LS4 cars had 303hp at the front wheels, some of the first modern production fwd cars I knew that had power that cracked 300.
Believe it or not, that car of Chris Rado's Scion tC Time Attack is actually all wheel drive. His car came stock with a FWD layout. Nonetheless, the Scion tC TA has a four cylinder, 1,200hp output. With a figure of that, he will have so much torque steer and the inability to turn corners, unless he has an open differential which would probably do little solving to overcome the force and difficulty of steering to that power figure. So, AWD is the layout for the car to become the quickest and fastest Time Attack car in the world.
On the other side, the car's engine isn't made to last forever, since so much records of his engine catching fire, due to the fact that his engine has a high RPM redline. His car, basically, overheats due to the aggressive and vigorous operation of the engine combusting.
You learn something new everyday, Mr VisioRacer.
HOW DO THIS THINGS NOT WHEELSPIN UNTIL THE END OF TIME?
good drift man!!!
When your FWD needs a damn spoiler on the FRONT you know it's time to calm down
If you feel useless, just imagine driving FWD with hundreds of HP.
Civics FTW anyway :)
Hey Visio, search for some brazilian vw called "gol". The ones that use a engine called AP are easy to tune, and some of them get close to 1000cv (the drag ones). Btw, nice intro!