The most BRUTAL Filipino Martial Art - I am a black belt in FMA and never saw SPARRING like this!!!
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For me the magic of FMA is the versatility/transferability of the stick work. It teaches so much more than just stick fighting.
the heart of the FMA is the blade, not the stick.
Sayoc Kali sparring is still doing it right. The stick is the safety equipment, it replaces the bolo.
Originally yes but in modern times i like to see it as it’s own tool. For example an extendable baton and a stick are very close in size and weight
You are right - the stick punishes but doesn't remove a limb.
@@weareallbeingwatched4602 my teacher used to say that the only practical disarm you could count on was an amputation you did with the bolo! 😊
@@ziggydog5091 the way the romans liked to do it is to take a thumb off. Makes holding a weapon impossible. The kali strike to the palm/wrist area is just the ticket for disarming using a blade to sever the thumb and fingers.
@@weareallbeingwatched4602 true! My Arnis teacher would hit my thumb in the exact same place over and over when we fought, it was terrible and wonderful at the same time. I don’t know how he did it!
Like you said, not sure about these guys shelf life, but that is about as Real as it gets. 🎉
From a perspective of watching it’s truly fascinating
I see someone beat me to it, but I was going to mention Atienza Kali too. It’s another family/tribal group from the east coast. The Atienzas, and the Sayoks, both had a heavy Pekiti Tersia influence from when Leo Gage was living in New York, but he just added to an already strong family style foundational art. Filipino Combat Systems (FCS KALI)’s Ray Dianaldo is another one from that era and neighborhood where all these guys used to train together. Because of the big Filipino community on the west coast we tend to forget some of these east coast guys. They’re all heart.
Yeah I use to train with Mas Guru Greg Alan myself. He was awesome and also came from the Pekiti Tersia family and combined it with an Indonesia art (Silat) from Master Jafri. He was also from the east coast. May he rest in peace..
His system was called Sina Tirsia Wali systems.
true about the drills, even basketballs players, the whole team need to go through drills during practice before playing against each other. it is really important
Found some martial arts you might find interesting. Some I recommend are Tarung Derajat, an Indonesian martial art that developed from the street fighting experiences of Achmad Drajat. Another is Vovinam and some other Vietnamese styles like Nhat Nam. And there is Krabi Krabong, the Thai system for weapons if I am correct, plus the numerous schools of Muay Boran.
I am making sure to check it out. I know vovinam already and have heard fo Targun Derajat from someone else! I love Krabi Krabong as well. Thank you for the recommendations!
@@inside_fightinglisten you are in Porto so close to the birth place of one of the best, if not the best, staff fighting combat system that is. Not so well documented but you are for sure one person with the level of experience and content to explore it. Also some of the guys also do FMA.
Tarung Derajat i read is based on Boxing,Karate and Taekwondo. I wonder how much it differs from American Kickboxing,since it has the same basis.
Still on indonesian martial arts,there is one in Flores called Tinju Boxing,where the fighters can use punches and elbows,but both opponents are steered by an helper holding them by the belt.
The "Hold Me Bro"style of fighting.
@@junichiroyamashita terung derajat includes grappling, both standing and on the ground, and also techniques with and against a knife, which makes sense when you realize that it was developed for self defense rather than as a sport.
People are sleeping on your videos. They are so great for who wants to understand self defense
this channel grows on you...been watching the videos on a regular basis now...good intelligent input...very balanced perspective
Not many TH-cam channels covers Filipino martil arts thank you for doing that
Thru the decades, I followed the Blackbelt magazine, and there I found the Dog Brothers brotherhood. Really, an eye opener for its combat effectiveness. Thank you , two thumbs up.
thank you very much for making the point about drills. that is also applied to applications in traditional martial arts. applications are not combat simulation, but a way to learn principles, that later can be manifested in a combat or sparing. too many people got drills and applications totally wrong. you say variables, I say degrees of freedom.
I used to spar sticks with no protective gear (of course we did care for each other). 1 or 2 sticks. no gear really makes you go fast and aware lol, and yeah, the short part of the stick, the butt is supper useful, and not only with sticks but with axes, knives, and any weapon actually, even pole weapons.
really love your point of view on martial arts, very intellectual.
The heavier set big dude in at the end is Tom Kier. He's a senior instructor. He currently trains US Delta , Devgru, and CIA units somewhere in Oregon or Washington State I believe. Watch the movie the Hunted with Benicio del Toro. They're all Sayoc guys
Tuhan?
I was invited to the dojo they were training at and got to meet the crew , went to the directors cut with Chino . Wish I knew where he was now , im sure hes mastered by now . But it was a complete honor to meet Tuhan and his crew of 1995 . Doug Markita and many masters had imput on that collaboration .
This is probably very close to how grandmaster Floro Villabrille full-contact stick fighting matches must have looked like.
Yes very much. Its cool to see.
@@inside_fightingWhat is your experience with Atienza Kali?
@@andresvalentin6924 i hav every minimal experience with it to be honest. Guro Dan would mix it in i believe and i had a balintawak guy do a nice demo of it. It seemed like it has good footwork and effective against numerous opponents. I’ll deep dive one of these days and do a video :)
I agree with you about drills..
Since mma and BJJ be came famous all you hear about is pressure testing. However, BJJ and mma also do drills. Every time you learn an Americana, a kumara , a triangle and so on, you have to go over it a couple of times. If you don’t drill it you will never learn how to execute the move. So in order to master any combat arts, you have to drill it then you spar or so called “pressure test it..
Everyone get hype over the phrase “pressure testing” but, all that is, is a repackaged expression for sparring….
Well put. It’s odd how people follow trends and bash anything that doesn’t fit in their box of what they think should be mentioned
Excellent video, really appreciate your informative approach
The weird cutaway mid fight is showing one of their horrendously painful hand conditioning drills - basically doing push-ups whilst holding the ends of a stick in your hands, and resting your knuckles on another stick which is lying on the ground. Some of the conditioning stuff they demonstrated at a seminar I attended years ago was extremely impressive.
I tried that drill literally once, and decided I didn’t want conditioned hands that much… 😂
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Another great video!
I train with the Dog Brothers (I’ve yet to go to a gathering) and the training is brutal but survivable. Definitely have a lot of bruises week to week but I can go to work. These Sayoc guys are crazy
thats a great breakdown and explanation on drills. it helps with the dexterity and reflexes. great video!
Thank you for sharing this information. I am practitioner of FMA and is fascinated to see how other system practice it.
Your insights were intelligent spot on and delivered well. 👊💀
Something i found that are great to simulate weapons, are padded larp weapons, with adaptation they become a bit heavier and harder, to the point when it can hurt a little but without lasting damage and injuries ( except to the hands, those are always in risk). And I believe the pain it causes are great, better than using armor...armor lies, the pain create and horn the skill
Love the vid again. I'm wondering what your thoughts are on Japanese kenpo such as Shorinji kenpo and Nippon Kenpo.
I started sparring with rolled up newspaper with a cardboard tube core. It's lite weight but stiff. Doing Kalenda / Calenda it was with cane to first strike, or blood.
Are you from Trinidad 🇹🇹?
Kalinda the one from the Carribeans?
@@elindioedwards7041 from New Orleans
@@junichiroyamashita yes
thanks for sharing.
Loved this break down of the Sayoc sparring video. This came with one of their weapons grappling dvd’s a couple of decades ago.
Great content. I keep saying I have to do more grappling. Am having trouble pushing myself to start at 57. But I am starting with a very kind purple belt who will take me in slowly and carefully. With respect to my injured old body. 😂
That sparring was really interesting. I think a good middle ground would be like no gear but with foam sticks or the nylon you use.
The Sayoc fighters you are showing are fighting with ratten sticks. Change that to a hardwood stick eg bahi or kamagong and i believe 1 strike to the head is all that it will take to knock someone out.
As a longtime FMA practitioner i tried different styles (Modern Arnis, Doce Pares, DBMA, Latosa Escrima, Illustrissimo, PKT, ETF) and i think i can say that all of them (yes all) got pros and cons.
Nowadays not believing in styles anymore, i mix them all up and i am happy with the result.
Did you ever hear about ETF? It´s an "evolution" of Latosa Escrima and pretty forward and direct....maybe you can find it on YT.
As always, i love your work.
Greets from Hamburg
I can't imagine the next day going to work after such a fight 😅
I can’t imagine being alike after training like that lol
What do you think of kalis ilustrisimo? Always found FMA to be fascinating. Especially the actual bladed combat knowledge. Seems like a skill set that at one point in time everyone living (in many parts of the world) would've potentially been taught at a young age.
If there are still videos of them, have a look at Holmgang Hamburg. These dudes are nuts!
Wow. It does not get more real than this. Never seen this before.
Cool video! Just commenting for the algorithm
You are awesome 😅
" I know that doesn't make sense cause I have my hand and no stick." The form IS the same, Sir.., I saw your stick, in hand
Appreciate that comment 🙏🏼
Yeah, hooked up with the Dog Brothers over 30 years ago. One of our guys was named Surfer Dog. Did a lot of that type of sparring. A lot of kali drills go out the window. a LOT. Funny I've been wearing their Shirt lately because it's sleeveless and is getting hot. Was thinking of Erik Nause and Marc Denny whose pictures are on the shirt. Had a really good jujitsu roll with Erick Nause actually. Was going down memory lane. Miss those days When I could do that stuff.
"Higher consciousness through harder contact" ;)
A little hard to tell from the video but I believe that "heavyset white guy" at the end was Tuhan Tom Kier (shown earlier in this video) who I have trained with
That cutaway of the guy doing press ups on a round stick was to show that he has conditioned his hands. It makes sense as in the fight he is now getting his hands hit. Hope this helps clear things up
Absolutely agree with everything you are saying. My primary filo martial arts is Cacoy Doce Pares. Over 18 years. I've trained in Kali Guro Dan Inosanto. Floro Fighting System. Wing Chun, Silat. I never thought that all that protection gear was a practical approach to full contact sparing. It is teaching bad habits. Ray Floro keeps saying it becomes a double kill.
Maybe do an episode on Team Lakay.. Best Fillipino MMA team IMO
I like your videos, would’ve loved to of heard more about the actual Sayoc system…
That was really an excellent MMA style match with sticks 👌👌
Yea it’s bad ass and they are legit
Do they practice 1 Vs. multiple attackers?@@inside_fighting
@@soumikdey7305 yes also doce pares and ilistrisimo did when it trained both. Pekiti guys too.
It’s not the primary focus but it’s part of the training
That's good 👌👌@@inside_fighting
My masters in abanico tres puntas in general trias that came from Sayoc kali told me that the founders of sayoc went to Indonesia, trained and took the karambit aspect of pencak silat and put it in their Sayoc Kali style.
caught a great youtube a while ago, by a couple fairly high-level FMA guys. one main point was that everywhere, there will be a huge amount of time, etc, on knife Flow Drills; but, when 'it' goes to knife sparring, its Bowie duelling time, ONLY. yep.
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I first heard of Sayoc Kali after seeing the 2003 movie, The Hunted.
Yes that movie was badass
That's Tuhon Kier ! World class master .
I'm Lucky To have a Tuhon where I'm from in Sayoc but the system. Is huge. !
its only original Sayoc if you wear 756 Knifes on your Belt during Training ;-)
It’s actually 762 but I’ll let your comment slide
I meet Chris Sayot at a tournament in Maryland ( my 1st time fighting in arnis ) in the 8o's .My roommate in collage was Pilipino and we trained doce paras in Jersy City , Chris was really interesting and skilled ! He was really over weight and i had heard he had passed
In L.A. I showed up to a meet up in a park. Had maybe 12-15 guys. I wanted to see what it was and if looked like they have a lot to take in. A Saturday afternoon isn't enough to give a solid opinion or judge. I only saw a little knife work
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Great explanation of the difference between drills and actual sparring and between the various levels of sparring from contemporary Filippino to Dog Bros to Sayoc to what you do.
Kudos to Dog Bros with one quibble, gloves protect the fangs and this makes it all questionable. As for Sayoc, again, kudos, but they are using baston. Bastons sting and can break hands, but they aren't guaranteed to stop a determined or psycho aggressor. If you use police batons or mini baseball bats then suddenly the game changes. Thanks for your shows.
What do you think of Sikaran from Baras, Rizal?
It´s not until you watch these types of fights that you realise just how much martial arts technique goes out the window and what you are left with is the fundamentals of striking and groudwork. I see so many people question the effectiveness of Jiu Jitsu online lately, but without a groundgame, the majority of these fights were over instantly. Strike, clinch, ground...there´s no fancy ippon style throwing, it´s all clinching and trips or sweeps. Awesome stuff altogether...these people are savages.
The problem with jiu jutsu is that it came to as we know now as an incomplete of it's mother art judo and consequently jujutsu. The one who brought what came to be know aa jiu justu to brazil was a student of jigoro kano while he was still developing judo and hasn't even name at the time, was groundfighting for money and it got stuck. Had they learned the full curiculum it would have been complete.
@@ernesthader1109 theres no problem with Jiu Jitsu as evidenced in the video
@@Patrick-sh9tt , poeple watching might have an impression that jiujutsu is essential for you to have a complete system eg: striking, weapins and grappling when there are systems that has all three of them as a whole.
@@ernesthader1109i don’t disagree. Brazilin/Gracie Jiu Jitsu is a great martial art, and highly complete in terms of it’s original conception. The Japanese Ju Jutsu also has eveythjng in the curriculum but it’s often very expansive i.e. there’s almost too much to learn. That said, if it is trained effectively it has everything. The problem is often the emphasis on the training/sparring etc. Judo is also wonderful but has arguably strayed from a street effective art to sometjing far too concerned with perfect form and an overemphasis on athleticism. They are all great arts however.
@@Patrick-sh9tt , jujutsu was deemed too dangerous specially during live sparring and kano out a premium on sparring to learn the art. Judo is jujutsu without all the dangerous techniques. But yeah it has evolved to be more sporty rather than stree effective. One reason might be is because they train striking at the very last. I don't that much striking during sparring for them to be proficient enough to use on the street.
Depends on who your instructor is. Doce Pares GM Don Edwards had us do WEKAF sparring but we also have done a ton of reduced gear/no gear. We'd even add in takedowns and submissions as we're also BJJ practitioners. It's a shame they don't teach dumog more these days. Dog Bros are great! I love their approach.
My doce pares sparring was only a headgear with takedowns also
Grand Master Felix Cortez organized and participated in one of them sparring. He started Sayoc and then Balintawak
Since you have trained in Doce Pares, do you have plans to make a youtube video about Eskrido? I am interested how much Judo (and Aikido?) is used for the empty hand component and to be honest I can’t find a lot of good examples back on youtube myself about this aspect of Eskrido.
Yes I love Eskrido. Definitely will make a video about it
I actually used to watch GM Cacoy Cañete do demos at the Baseline Gym in Cebu back in the late 80s which was a walking distance away from my college campus at that time. I always loved how he threw his opponent just by using his sticks and manipulating them into intricate joint locks. After training in Aikido years later, I finally understood how difficult it was to project his energy through the sticks and create the angles and momentum needed to throw your partner. You needed years of practice to master the techniques to be able to do that.
@@johnlloyddy7016 i actually modified a lot of what i learned to be very direct and it works wonders. Grandmaster Canete also did judo
I’ll eventually make a video on my stick clinch style
@@johnlloyddy7016 btw it’s awesome you got to see him train. He was something special. Chris his grandson is one of the best martial artists I’ve ever trained with.
The stand up choke with stick is called a Fang Choke
Sayok Kali is nuts!
The white guy, from the last fight (standing choke) is Tom Kier. He is a master of Sayoc Kali (Tuhon). The man is a beast.
1. Kuo-Shou (underrated Sanda with MMA gloves)
2. Full Contact Wing Chun Free fight events where the fighting is real and helmets and MMA gloves used.
How are you getting along with your knee problems?
can you make a video on pekiti tirsia?
Whenever I watch videos of FMA fighters sparring with sticks, I rarely see anyone effectively block, parry, and counter-strike their opponent’s attacks. That’s why I question the efficacy of all the drills. That being said, the drills still look fun. So, fuck it. Do the drills…for fun.
They definitely are parrying to some degree and flowing and sometimes you see some nice disarms. Even if it gives you a 10% advantage it;s worth it.
Agreed!
@@inside_fightingFair enough. Let me make a suggestion then. There’s such a thing as diminishing returns, and I believe most FMA practitioners practice the drills far more than necessary to achieve that 10%. So, might I suggest cutting that time in half, and spending that saved time practicing closing the distance on an opponent and submitting/maiming them. After all, that’s what they’re all actually going to attempt to do anyway, right? Just food for thought.
To do it consistently, footwork is necessary, in fencing the disengage & right of way enforces it.
@@kevionrogers2605 fencing has beautiful movement and super fast reaction times
God that intro kills me every time 😂, I can almost hear cartman sing it
20:56 easy answer. They hit each other with the sticks but lightly. They automatically go to the ground because that's where we can fake fight better. And then, they act out a fight at about 60 percent exertion. It's good adrenaline TRAINING. It's good realistic training. It isn't however a real fight where a head could get stomped or an eye plucked out. ✅💯good training though. That kali stuff with the sticks and grappling. Only thing missing is THE INTENTION. 💯
when i was younger, i was doing alot of arnis de mano? im not sure how to spell it. i was in it becasue it was something to do after school and to stay fit. other than that, i wasnt hardcore into it. i do remember that there was alot of wooden sticks involved. alot of dough roller and oil, rolling it on our shins. anyway, this isnt bum fights, is it? lol
Sounds about right :)
What's the FMA system where they wear what looks like kendo armour and beat the piss out of each other? It looks very real. Also what do you think of the Swedish KSI system it seems to be FMA mixed with other martial arts.
hmmm not sure about the FMA you are referring to. I will check out KSI as well. Sounds interesting.
The Dog Brothers martial arts looks like the most realistic fighting. Even more so than mma. Almost like the survival mode fighting one would need on a battle field or prison yard.
The whole take on drills probably would have been a good video even by itself. Unfortunately, I think a lot of beginners (who make up the overwhelming majority of practitioners) just want to rush to live sparring because that’s what they see in UFC or movies or boxing or whatever else.
I’d equate it to the gym. Everyone wants to have the awesome physique or blast out a huge personal best. No one wants to be there 3 times a week knocking out 70% your max in sets nor do they want to really allow themselves to progress from lighter weight to heavier weight. Lifting 85 lbs isn’t sexy, but sometimes that’s where you need to start.
Same with drills. Everyone wants to rush to the end, but frankly the best martial artists I know are avid drillers. Be it more “conventional” like with pad work or Judo’s Uchikomi or something less so like Chi Sao. Different drills have different applications, but most people don’t consider them in the context of the bigger picture. Plus I think people don’t want to hear the harsh truth that they’ll be drilling forever and drilling for a long time before the necessary become a good fighter.
Why do you think FMA are still relatively unknown in the West as opposed to Muay Thai for example? Plenty of MT gyms in my area (I'm part of one) can't find any that specialize in FMA.
You should do a video on Gatka, a Sikh martial art
Ilan, can you do some videos on more street styles from say, the likes of Lee Morrison, Richard Dimitri, Kelly McCann? Dennis Hisardut would be great too. So many more to name, but just love your content and what you're doing. Thank you, brother.
My cousin is one of Dennis Hannover's long time students. Eyal Muallem is his name. I think he has been with him for almost 20 years or something. He slowed down recently with having a baby but he's one of his long time black belts. I'll talk to him about it and get some really in depth notes.
@@inside_fighting Wow, that's awesome. Those old school masters knew what truly worked. That would be great brother. Thank you!
Bro, that cut away was displaying how he conditioned his hands to stay in the fight 😂
Also ground fighting is great for stick and grass but bad for blade and concrete
I know what every FMA stylist will say : "The one I do"
In a true life or death combat with a stick, I don't think they used rattan? For bad intent, this is where the hardwood sticks come out like kamagong and bahi. Rattan is fine for training and sparring since it hurts but it isn't likely to break your arm. Rattan will mash fingers but your wouldn't be blocking a heavy hardwood stick with your arm!
18:00 "I don't know how many times you can get away with fighting like this"
Till you lose both your eyes presumably.
I feel like that’s a legit possibility on day one lol
Starting from no set up position and not the "preferred" distance enhances drills.
Brutal!! I’m not tuff enough for that.
Yes! A drill is not sparring; not fighting--training tool. Pad-work is often just a more intense drill, where you can work on speed and timing more. Are these MMA guys or skeptics gonna say pad-work is useless, b/c it's not sparring or not a fight? P.s. did you ever train with Mr. Houston or Mark O'Dell when you were with the dog brothers? (they taught me Kenpo as a teenager)
In Lastra Arnis we did this twice a week after you learned the basic system. A lot of Largo Mano systems do this. The dog brothers said that we gave stick fighting a bad name because our sparring was too violent.
You go full contact with a rattan stick with zero protection that hard twice a week?
@@inside_fighting yep, people sometimes went to the ER for minor things, broken nose, lump on the head. The school was run by a number of old school guys who did it like they did back in the Philippines. You play vary defensive, protect your head. Welts every class, more than a few personal beat downs, but vary worth it for me. Went to the ER once myself for stitches, wife was NOT happy. No worse than my boxing/kickboxing training. Sayocs are just doing it old school, I love those guys.
@@inside_fighting I don’t know if he is still active but Guru Eddie Lastra is head of our system and last I knew he was working in Stockton, CA. He is a great guy to talk to.
Just started learning Sayoc to add to my arsenal. ❤theDog brothers martial arts for decades, Burton Richardson from JKDU is Lucky Dog and followed his material for 30 years.
In the UK neither of these systems seemed to really take off, but the Black Eagle society did similar back in the day.
The issue I have is with the grappling…….on a battlefield or in the jungle even worse one can’t grapple with all those flashing blades from FMA flying around, so has MMA and UFC clouded how real fighting even with weapons takes place?
To many martial arts fit reality to their martial art rather than fitting their martial art to REALITY!
I think the Sayoc sparring is good, but the sticks look quite a bit thinner than the ones Dogs Brothers use. The Sayoc guys don't have protective gear, but the weapons also aren't as damaging. I wouldn't say this is more dangerous than Dog Brothers, except maybe for eye injuries. I have done Dog Brothers, and I'd be happy to do this sparring too, preferably wearing eye protection, but even without.
Damn, I had guessed Sayoc but that was based totally on vibes after seeing The Hunted 😆
Do u have a link to those guys "sparring"? Ive seen some similar things from Russian/Eastern European/Ukranian military and they incorporate A LOT of shit and are tough as damn nails.
Whats the name of the video at 15:30 ?
Ha im a Filipino you should react on yawyan martial art it knocked out a muay thai fighter in 12 seconds
I did a video on yawyan :)
Ok now I have a deep respect for Kali.
You look like Doug Hutchison in Punisher
i had never heard of molluscum contagiosum before, but i knew a guy who got herpes gladiatorum from wrestling in high school. i remember thinking to myself "regardless of why you're doing what you're doing, if it results in you catching herpes from another man, that's pretty sussy." i think i'll stick to the striking arts and just hope that i can drop someone before the fight goes to the ground
Hahaha luckily what i got is super easily treated and goes away forever. It’s bacterial. Just has to be burned off
BURNED OFF??? that sounds painful as hell! 😱
@@macemaster wasn’t bad at all to be honest 😅
Look drills and other forms of training is not fighting. However you can't always fight to train.
All I know is keep training and modify.
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5:44 exactly …. It is the first step … you take it from there … end game is always aliveness / sparring / real fighting
Chi S could be good for wrestling hand fighting ( but I am not sure cause I have not done Chi S )
That cut away at 19:15 is aweful. It’s a push up while holding a stick, with another stick below your knuckles. This was punishment as a kid for not paying attention at the Arnis school I went to in 1989. I haven’t seen that since then. Give it a try. Good times :)
The fuck was that intro!! 😂😂😂
Love it!! xD
Kali, panantukan, pananjakman, sikaran?
Great stuff!!! I might be wrong about this, but I do NOT like what the guy did at 19:19. It looks like he tried to block the stick with his fist, which is a fantastic way to break your hand.
Yea not a great idea but it’s a pretty rough fight by then
@@inside_fighting After giving it some thought, I'm wondering if perhaps the stress of that particular sparring session is what resulted in that strange behavior.
Dogs are Gangsters. I asked for Krabi and I got it. Maybe do Tomoi. Malaysian Harimau Silat blended with Muay
They are awesome
Woohoo! I got it right! 😅
*_Having someone dig and gouge their punyo into the back of my shoulder while we’re in the clinch • • • • •_*
*_Ouch!_*
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