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If your taking your working sets to 0-2 rir your overall set volume will be a lot less than you think if you are also combining that with perfect form and Intent on each rep, once you learn to combine the 2 you will make very good long term progress
That’s why I find reverse pyramids so fun. It’s like each set is their own first set as the weight gets lighter and can try pr them. You only get one chance with each weight
Usually, most of the guys leave many reps in the tank on the first 2-3 sets, which act as a warm up sets, and they would go to failure or pretty close to it in the last one. So technically it is like performing one true hard set. On the other hand, the HIT guys would perform a number of warm up sets prior to the their top hard set, especially when the weights got heavy, so they technically perform more than one set..
6:30 Yates warm up sets had less weight but he stopped at 8 reps, no way that's 2 RIR. What yates really did was using 4 exercises per muscle part, so he did 4 sets while talking about 1.
He did 1 all out set per exercise. Warmup sets not counted however he had to do 2-3 warm-up sets given his strength and size so yeah theres volume there but much lower then other pros do and did
@@shawnm4189 Read my comment again. Then listen to what Brandon said at 6:30, then read my comment again. Him warming up with no weight and 8 reps = NO SET. Him doing 4 different exercises per body part = 4 sets.
@@Rob-qn6od Even regardless of any warm up stuff - he did 4 exercises per body part so he did at least 4 sets, not 1. About the warmups: Look at the videos - he is a lot stronger than his warm up sets and he never does more than 10 reps on warm ups.
Then you get like 60 percent of average joes who can’t be arsed to train watch mentzer and things like this. Skip the warm ups go to there heaviest weight and then injure themselves 😂. Depends how you see it. If your doing warm up sets they can’t as sets in my eyes.
as a natural bodybuilder who has been around both natural and steroid bodybuilding for years, I can tell you that drugs make more of a difference than training and nutrition. You can train with limited intensity and and basic nutrition and still gain lots of muscle on drugs. It's sickening, but true
The problem now is that the drugs are glorified and teens hop on after one year of novice training, with no experience and know how on how to push yourself. The "natural potential" is also a concept that has been skewed, normal fitness culture thinks that after 4-5 years you hit your limit, when the old school greats of the silver era achieved insane physiques without drugs, and just proper training, nutrition and consistency.@@NJN23
If you’re natural, the only things that you will gain from HIT are weird grimaces while you train and a destroyed CNS. Let’s hit it. H.I.T. Is Too Easy On The Body HIT-brahs always brag about how HIT is really difficult. Yates does the same, but the reality is painfully different. What is it? HIT = EZ on The BODY, Hard On The Brain You see, the brain is the smartest organ in your body, allegedly, but it can be tricked. So, here’s what’s happening. During a hard set, the CNS signals to the brain that the organism is under fire. So, you naturally conclude that you’re working hard. And that’s the case, but only for 1 set. Then you rest…way too long. The body is hit (lol), but each muscle group does not receive enough stimulation throughout the entire week to grow. However, since every day is CNS day, you conclude that you’re working hard when in fact, the overall BODILY fatigue is quite low. To grow muscle, you need to do more WORK. It’s that simple. Back in the day, some guy asked Mentzer why his calves weren’t growing, so Mentzer told him that he was overtraining them and advised a reduction of calf training frequency to once every 14 days. (I read that in a magazine.) This isn’t very intelligent advice on Mentzer’s part. Why? Doing a few hard sets for the calves (one of the toughest muscles in the body) and then going for a 2-week vacation is akin to expecting to raise your IQ by reading for 40 seconds a day. In reality, if you have a lagging muscle group, you have to do the exact opposite, namely - increase the frequency and volume. In other words, you must train it HARDER. And harder does not mean one look-at-me-I-am-puking set, but multiple “money sets” done more frequently. This is true for unnaturals and even truer for naturals. Dorian’s HIT contains slightly more volume, but the frequency will not be enough unless you’re genetically gifted everywhere. “But have you watched Blood n’ Guts,” says the dreamer. Yes. I have. If you mute the annoying screaming, the training doesn’t look as tough as you think it is. I’ve been to gyms where average people who have regular jobs train just as hard and with even more frequency. Everyone Tries HIT and Quits Not Because The Program Is Hard…but HIT has been here a long time. Virtually every serious muscle constructor has tried it. And yet the methodology is still not popular. Why? The HIT fetishists will say “Because it’s super hard and people can’t handle it”. That’s incorrect. The true answer is: Because it’s not as effective as other methods. Don’t you think that if HIT was all that effective, the pros would have switched a long time ago? Professional bodybuilders and other hypertrophy-addicts are doing everything in their power to get bigger. The sacrifice includes the following rituals: Daily injections of known and unknown steroids. Some compounds are literally designed for horses and yet people introduce them to their bloodstream. Growth hormone injections Insulin injections (you can get into a coma and die as a result of this practice) Training 6-7 days a week Following expensive and complicated diets Paying glorious amounts of money to personal trainers Don’t you think that individuals who are willing to do all of that in the name of the Hypertrophy God are afraid of HIT? Think again. Harder. The painful truth is that a muscle addict will go all the way to add muscle to his frame. And if HIT was the difference between being average and the KING, everybody would be a HITTER. Injuries Here’s a questionnaire for geniuses: When do you think you are more likely to tear a muscle? A) When you perform a set until you know that the next rep will require you to break form. B) When you perform a set to total failure, and then some sweaty fella with raisin-like balls lifts the weight all the weight for you so that you can get 3 more reps with extremely slow negatives? Ultimately, it doesn’t matter how effective your training is when…you can’t train due to an injury. If you want to tear a muscle, go ahead and HIT it hard. Not Practical HIT forces you to jump on the machines because applying it to compound exercises is often dangerous. Do you think that it’s a coincidence that HIT was heavily promoted by Arthur Jones, the inventor of the Nautilus machine series? A wise man once told me that -- there is no such thing as a coincidence. HIT Treats You Like a Machine High IQ training realises that humans are not robots. Hence smart programming comes with carefully engineered deload phases (one step back, two steps forward type of thing). HIT could have this sophistication too but more often than not doesn’t because the teachers are too focused on squeezing your CNS until you vomit. They think that it’s awesome to feel like you were just HIT by a car after a workout. Additional Hard-Hitting Facts Mentzer and Yates both built their bodies with volume before allegedly switching to HIT. (According to many mentzer was doing higher volume than advertised.) Yates already had a pro physique when he switched to lower volume and that was to MAINTAIN the mass he'd already built. During the so-called Colorado experiment, Casey Viator didn’t build any new muscle. He simply regained what he’d lost before. Hit is a myth.
@@Rob-qn6od HIT has worked fabulously for many individuals who have won World and National titles such as John Heart and Ian Duckett. I suggest you do your research before making yourself look like more of a fool
A great deal of what you've stated is incorrect. Some of its right. I'm not going to debate this post but I will say that this isn't binary, it's not black and white. For some folks like myself, the volume approach does lead to gross overtraing, as did Arthur Jones full body training 3x a week. In time Arthur figured out that this frequency doesn't work for many naturals noting that 2 weekly workouts are better for most and once a week for others. An individual must find what works for themselves. Also goals are important. If u want to get on stage extreme devotion to training and nutrition is required. Most people aren't interested in that. HIT certainly works for those folks . HIT did work for John Heart, he did NOT build his physique on volume. He was using something akin to Yates system before he found Mentzer. Also note that most powerlifters including record holders were only stimulating their muscles/lifts once per week and just working up to single top sets. Their physiques were indeed impressive. See mark chaillet Yes , gear was involved. Many ways to skin a cat.
@@derrickbyal8462 Also Heart did indeed use volume to build up. Powerlifters did not do max weights all year round, they cycle their training. Hit has never ever produced a champion after a champion after a champion. Hit sucks.
Been around bodybuilding since 1981... (degree in Nutrition, NASM Certified Personal Trainer and Nutrition Coach, and compete in amateur natural bodybuilding).... I subscribe to many bodybuilding channels and I can say that this channel is my absolute favorite. The insights from top naturals is priceless! Keep 'em coming!
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at 7:20 ... is there really a significant difference between 0 RIR and failure as far as results go? I would say no.
If your taking your working sets to 0-2 rir your overall set volume will be a lot less than you think if you are also combining that with perfect form and Intent on each rep, once you learn to combine the 2 you will make very good long term progress
Thanks for sharing and for tuning in!
Dorian said that when he did two sets of an exercise, he was subconsciously holding back on the first set
That’s why I find reverse pyramids so fun. It’s like each set is their own first set as the weight gets lighter and can try pr them. You only get one chance with each weight
Usually, most of the guys leave many reps in the tank on the first 2-3 sets, which act as a warm up sets, and they would go to failure or pretty close to it in the last one. So technically it is like performing one true hard set. On the other hand, the HIT guys would perform a number of warm up sets prior to the their top hard set, especially when the weights got heavy, so they technically perform more than one set..
Until i learned how to train to failure aka Mentzer, I had very little growth.
Thank you for sharing Jeffrey and for tuning in!
6:30 Yates warm up sets had less weight but he stopped at 8 reps, no way that's 2 RIR. What yates really did was using 4 exercises per muscle part, so he did 4 sets while talking about 1.
He did 1 all out set per exercise.
Warmup sets not counted however he had to do 2-3 warm-up sets given his strength and size so yeah theres volume there but much lower then other pros do and did
Warmup sets do not count.
@@shawnm4189 Read my comment again. Then listen to what Brandon said at 6:30, then read my comment again.
Him warming up with no weight and 8 reps = NO SET.
Him doing 4 different exercises per body part = 4 sets.
He did a half pyramid so yes he did multiple sets and he did more than 4 sets. Come on now.
@@Rob-qn6od Even regardless of any warm up stuff - he did 4 exercises per body part so he did at least 4 sets, not 1.
About the warmups: Look at the videos - he is a lot stronger than his warm up sets and he never does more than 10 reps on warm ups.
Then you get like 60 percent of average joes who can’t be arsed to train watch mentzer and things like this. Skip the warm ups go to there heaviest weight and then injure themselves 😂. Depends how you see it. If your doing warm up sets they can’t as sets in my eyes.
My dude is a brain
Today so many are too focused on drugs where they need to concentrate on training and nutrition.
as a natural bodybuilder who has been around both natural and steroid bodybuilding for years, I can tell you that drugs make more of a difference than training and nutrition. You can train with limited intensity and and basic nutrition and still gain lots of muscle on drugs. It's sickening, but true
The problem now is that the drugs are glorified and teens hop on after one year of novice training, with no experience and know how on how to push yourself. The "natural potential" is also a concept that has been skewed, normal fitness culture thinks that after 4-5 years you hit your limit, when the old school greats of the silver era achieved insane physiques without drugs, and just proper training, nutrition and consistency.@@NJN23
If you’re natural, the only things that you will gain from HIT are weird grimaces while you train and a destroyed CNS.
Let’s hit it.
H.I.T. Is Too Easy On The Body
HIT-brahs always brag about how HIT is really difficult. Yates does the same, but the reality is painfully different.
What is it?
HIT = EZ on The BODY, Hard On The Brain
You see, the brain is the smartest organ in your body, allegedly, but it can be tricked.
So, here’s what’s happening.
During a hard set, the CNS signals to the brain that the organism is under fire. So, you naturally conclude that you’re working hard.
And that’s the case, but only for 1 set.
Then you rest…way too long.
The body is hit (lol), but each muscle group does not receive enough stimulation throughout the entire week to grow.
However, since every day is CNS day, you conclude that you’re working hard when in fact, the overall BODILY fatigue is quite low.
To grow muscle, you need to do more WORK. It’s that simple.
Back in the day, some guy asked Mentzer why his calves weren’t growing, so Mentzer told him that he was overtraining them and advised a reduction of calf training frequency to once every 14 days. (I read that in a magazine.)
This isn’t very intelligent advice on Mentzer’s part.
Why?
Doing a few hard sets for the calves (one of the toughest muscles in the body) and then going for a 2-week vacation is akin to expecting to raise your IQ by reading for 40 seconds a day.
In reality, if you have a lagging muscle group, you have to do the exact opposite, namely - increase the frequency and volume.
In other words, you must train it HARDER.
And harder does not mean one look-at-me-I-am-puking set, but multiple “money sets” done more frequently.
This is true for unnaturals and even truer for naturals.
Dorian’s HIT contains slightly more volume, but the frequency will not be enough unless you’re genetically gifted everywhere.
“But have you watched Blood n’ Guts,” says the dreamer.
Yes. I have. If you mute the annoying screaming, the training doesn’t look as tough as you think it is.
I’ve been to gyms where average people who have regular jobs train just as hard and with even more frequency.
Everyone Tries HIT and Quits Not Because The Program Is Hard…but
HIT has been here a long time. Virtually every serious muscle constructor has tried it.
And yet the methodology is still not popular. Why?
The HIT fetishists will say “Because it’s super hard and people can’t handle it”.
That’s incorrect. The true answer is:
Because it’s not as effective as other methods.
Don’t you think that if HIT was all that effective, the pros would have switched a long time ago?
Professional bodybuilders and other hypertrophy-addicts are doing everything in their power to get bigger.
The sacrifice includes the following rituals:
Daily injections of known and unknown steroids. Some compounds are literally designed for horses and yet people introduce them to their bloodstream.
Growth hormone injections
Insulin injections (you can get into a coma and die as a result of this practice)
Training 6-7 days a week
Following expensive and complicated diets
Paying glorious amounts of money to personal trainers
Don’t you think that individuals who are willing to do all of that in the name of the Hypertrophy God are afraid of HIT?
Think again.
Harder.
The painful truth is that a muscle addict will go all the way to add muscle to his frame.
And if HIT was the difference between being average and the KING, everybody would be a HITTER.
Injuries
Here’s a questionnaire for geniuses:
When do you think you are more likely to tear a muscle?
A) When you perform a set until you know that the next rep will require you to break form.
B) When you perform a set to total failure, and then some sweaty fella with raisin-like balls lifts the weight all the weight for you so that you can get 3 more reps with extremely slow negatives?
Ultimately, it doesn’t matter how effective your training is when…you can’t train due to an injury.
If you want to tear a muscle, go ahead and HIT it hard.
Not Practical
HIT forces you to jump on the machines because applying it to compound exercises is often dangerous.
Do you think that it’s a coincidence that HIT was heavily promoted by Arthur Jones, the inventor of the Nautilus machine series?
A wise man once told me that --
there is no such thing as a coincidence.
HIT Treats You Like a Machine
High IQ training realises that humans are not robots. Hence smart programming comes with carefully engineered deload phases (one step back, two steps forward type of thing).
HIT could have this sophistication too but more often than not doesn’t because the teachers are too focused on squeezing your CNS until you vomit.
They think that it’s awesome to feel like you were just HIT by a car after a workout.
Additional Hard-Hitting Facts
Mentzer and Yates both built their bodies with volume before allegedly switching to HIT. (According to many mentzer was doing higher volume than advertised.)
Yates already had a pro physique when he switched to lower volume and that was to MAINTAIN the mass he'd already built.
During the so-called Colorado experiment, Casey Viator didn’t build any new muscle. He simply regained what he’d lost before.
Hit is a myth.
@@Rob-qn6od HIT has worked fabulously for many individuals who have won World and National titles such as John Heart and Ian Duckett. I suggest you do your research before making yourself look like more of a fool
@@Keppie6 It hasn't though. Ducket used more volume to build up as did Heart. Post physique to prove me wrong.
A great deal of what you've stated is incorrect. Some of its right. I'm not going to debate this post but I will say that this isn't binary, it's not black and white. For some folks like myself, the volume approach does lead to gross overtraing, as did Arthur Jones full body training 3x a week. In time Arthur figured out that this frequency doesn't work for many naturals noting that 2 weekly workouts are better for most and once a week for others. An individual must find what works for themselves. Also goals are important. If u want to get on stage extreme devotion to training and nutrition is required. Most people aren't interested in that. HIT certainly works for those folks . HIT did work for John Heart, he did NOT build his physique on volume. He was using something akin to Yates system before he found Mentzer.
Also note that most powerlifters including record holders were only stimulating their muscles/lifts once per week and just working up to single top sets. Their physiques were indeed impressive. See mark chaillet
Yes , gear was involved. Many ways to skin a cat.
@@derrickbyal8462 Post physique to prove me wrong.
@@derrickbyal8462 Also Heart did indeed use volume to build up. Powerlifters did not do max weights all year round, they cycle their training. Hit has never ever produced a champion after a champion after a champion. Hit sucks.