Thanks for the review of the Micsig scope. I'm an old analog guy that has been in love with Tek scopes up until recently. This scope looks intuitive with all the right features for a nice general purpose o-scope with a price that's very reasonable. You did a nice job of illustrating it's features and how to "drive" the scope. Thanks again!!!
Thanks Barry for the great feedback! I do like using the Micsig. I didn't like the touch screen on the tektronix scope that I used at work, but I have really liked this Micsig touch screen;)
Really high level review. I watched other reveiws and they never told me that Miscig can be used as a regular Android tablet. That feature puts Miscig on completely new level above the competition.
First! Lol. Perfect timing Eddie, I just finished watching a podcast on virology and a good ol Kiss Analog tech revirew vid is just what the Dr ordered haha . . Oh wow video is just starting and I see it's a Micsig Scope!! I had a feeling after your Micsig current probe vid a scope would appear soon after haha . Alright bro I'm watching the vid now I'll be back to comment soon after
Thanks for the question! If you use a single probe, then it can be used like a differential probe where you don't have to worry about the ground so much. This scope is battery operated so is floating and not connected to ground so it is much safer in that regard. However, all probes ground connection (return connection) have to be on the same point in the circuit. Does that make sense?
@@KissAnalog However all probes ground connection (return connection ) have to be on the same point in the circuit. Can you please give an example. Thanks
If you are using 2 channels - the ground clips on the probe have to be at the same potential. But, if one probe is connected, you can experiement with NOT using the second probes ground clip (pop it off the probe) and just use the second probes tip to look at signals. Both probes ground clips connect to the shields of the cable and connect to the scope. You can take your multimeter and ohm the outer connector on our scope and see that they are connected. Have you seen this video? th-cam.com/video/wvMdEgAwxfU/w-d-xo.html
Hi Eddie, nice video. I think it's a good form factor for anyone who wants a portable scope. Not that 'traditional' scopes are heavy or bulky, just that they don't run off batteries. Headline specs aren't all they are cracked up to be and often tell a marketing (i.e. tall) story! I have the Siglent SDS1104X-E which has a nominal 100,000wfm/s but a test shows that is in a very specific configuration: no measuring, normal triggering, no networking, no web serving, 1 channel only, dots mode rather than vector, no interpolation so just 'join the dots' rather than sin(x)/x - a 1MHz, 50ns sine wave was meausured at 118000 wfm/s. Under what would be considered a more 'normal' setup, a 1MHz sine wave at 50ns was measured at 11,190wfm/s. How scopes use memory can be strange as well. Certainly the Siglent is wholly based around the amount of data needed to show a screen's worth of signal: so at, say, 20ns timebase for a 1GSa/s the scope uses 140pts of memory! So you need to set it at a timebase that uses all memory and then zoom in, i.e. capture slow then zoom in - 1ms capture will zoom in to 1ns timebase. I did a blog on my experience here if you're interested: www.element14.com/community/people/andrewj/blog/2020/02/06/siglent-sds1104x-e-oscilloscope-performance. It would be interesting to see how this Micsig compares as it is a similar price to the Siglent.
Great write up on your blog - good info. I could see when testing the Keysight why they talk about sequencing mode so much - and it is because of the lack of deep memory. In their more expensive scopes the deep memory is marketed higher and the sequence mode is not so much. At 100 MHz and even 200 MHz the band width is a good match for the refresh and deep memory I think. I have a video that I want to show comparing the GW Instek with the Siglent, but now I want to see how the Micsig matches up - and then I'll run that simulation. Where the Keysigh really falls short is in the FFT due to the lack of deep memory. I like the Keysight and I applaud them for offering something that is somewhat affordable and closer in performance to the high performing less costly newer brand scopes. :)
Great question! They are isolated from input AC power, but not from each other. The return on each channel is tied to each other. Here's a link to a low cost diff probe that might help;) th-cam.com/video/QQcZR_KV0P4/w-d-xo.html
Great review! A lot of my questions about the STO1104C have been answered. I've had a Micsig MS210T(2 channel, 100MHz) handheld scope for about 5-1/2 years. Its primary usage is for x-ray machine calibration and repair. I've been pleased overall, but wish it had more memory depth(240kpts). Otherwise, it does the job without breaking the bank.
Is there a way apart from measuring hz,ms etc from left to right to measure degrees?Im measuring an in-cylinder pressure waveform in my car,if i swipe up from the bottom of the screen a measuring grid comes up which i can set for number of cylinders and the number of degrees of crankshaft rotation,i usually set it to 0-720 degrees. However i want to additionally measure degrees within this grid,is there an option anywhere?Thanks again.
Try swiping down, and there should be a set of options. Look for the 'Display' option, and I think you will find it there. Not sure about the ATO, but it is probably near that;) Link for others: amzn.to/2UNoJO9
@@KissAnalog thank you for replying so quickly, I have got the scope on x10 and played around with the v/div but I still cannot get a ac signal without it been clip at the top and bottom. I even try it on different channels and with varying ac signal sizes.
Forgive me if i missed this,but i have the ato1104 automotive version of this scope.But is there a way of saving a particular prest/setup you want to use?It's just that every waveform i display i have to go into the display menu and turn off 'persist' to clean up the trace waveform,it gets a bit repetitive and annoying!Thanks.
I thought that was the one you had;) Try swiping down, and you should find an option called 'Userset' I think, and there you will find 'save/recovery'. This is where you can save a bunch of different set ups, and name them:) Let me know if this works:) Link for others: amzn.to/2UNoJO9
Back in the days the Tek THS portable scoop was the only digital scope on my workbench. A couple of years ago I bought a Micsig MS220. It had much better waveform update than the Tek. I like where Micsig is taking things.
I simply enjoys your reviews, they just flows and I do really feele that you tell it as it is, nothing of that "main brand rubbish" :-) I would love if you could make a video on how to power an amplifier. What I mean is that a technician is designing an amplifier but has not yet designed the power supply, how do that technician power + / - 50V 10A, does he power it in that way, or how does he power it while testing design ideas?
Nice scope Eddie, but i have a tricky question (as usual :-) ) , on batterymode the scope is definitely ground isolated for doing mains referenced measurements, but on charging mode (charger connected), is the powersupply adapter mains input with ground pin? If so, is the ground straight through connected to the negative of the DC jack ? Because on many powersupply adapters with ground pin, the DC jack from the powersupply adapter is also grounded, and the first "isolated scope" becomes now a regular grounded scope, which can cause damage when doing mains measurements. Also, there is a chance, that the DC jack from the powersupply is grounded, but that the power input of the scope itself has a buildin DC-DC converter so that the power input is completely isolated from mains for a safer and cleaner (less noisy) power input. This can simply be measured with a resistance or continuety test between negative of the DC connector of the scope and negative of the BNC inputs.
In the charging mode the charger is connected to earth and negative DC jack is connected to negative probe connector. I have this scope and I bought it for AC-DC convertors . In this cases i do not use it with charger I use it just on battery
@@bogdan546 thx for the confirmation. I already read the manual, but this wasn't mentioned anywhere. Only the mention of supplemental differential probes. Grts
Bjorn V That was a great point Bjorn! I should have realized that when I saw the 3rd pin (gnd pin) on the power cord. Jeez, and I’m a power guy;). Thanks Bogdan546!
Hello. Nice video thanks pal. Please i got one of these and I have just one question. What is the maximum voltage input i can apply on each of the four channels without using a HV probe ? I've noticed that the vertical scale can go up to 100 V/div. Does this mean that i can apply 220 v for exemple directly on one of the channels without risquing to blow up my scope ? Thanks
Thank you! That's a great question! The scope shows by the input connectors that the max voltage is 300Vrms. The x10 probes that I have show a max voltage of 600Vacpeak. Let me know if you see the same ratings on yours ok?
@@KissAnalog yes , exactly It says :" ALL INPUTS 1M Ohms/ 14 pF 300 Vrms CAT I " So does it mean that i risk nothing if i put my scope's simple probes directly in to main plug 220 V ?
@@adezrtj32 I was wondering the same thing. That CAT I rating is worrying me. As far as I understand, CAT I appliances should not be connected to main.
@@chuanliu4685 realy don't know pal since the mister here did not give any answer, i can't improvise..the damn thing is expensive so i decided to use it with a customized hv prob
Great question! I can tell you that whenever I sent email, which was probably a dozen times, they responded same day are the next. And, even though she has a Chinese name, she understands me perfectly and responds in perfect English. I’m impressed with that - best communication I’ve had with ant equipment manufacturer yet. And they offered me a discount;) I’ll ask if I can get a discount code for my viewers:)
I am brand new to oscilloscopes and not very electronics savvy, but do you think that this scope would be a good tool to use for automotive component testing (ie MAP sensor, injectors, fuel pump current draw, etc)?
Yes, I think it would be awesome. They do have some probes for automotive, but they are low on qty so I have to wait to get them;) These probes are available from other manufacturers, so I could get them. They are universal so will work on different brand scopes.
great review. I love the old hand held scope. I contemplated getting the micsig. it's worth every penny from all the times I've seen you use it. I suspect the micsig has a super optimized fpga. You've put it through the ringer and it's never failed you.. all I need now is a new psu. Eddie doesn't answer his messages on patreon though hahahahaha jk
Sold! They should have given you one! It is on a really good offer at Banggood ending in a couple of days. Only doubt, Chinese makers have form on exaggerating specs - can you confirm the 100MHz is real? Incidentally it looks to be based on an old version of Android without the Google services like app store, so you can probably side-load all kinds of apps.
Thanks John for the great feedback! I will have to see if I can check the bandwidth. I plan to use this scope in other videos so we can really give it a good test. This particular video was a killer! I re-shot so many times and took so much time trying to make it compact and still show enough, but still turned out a lot longer than I wanted. I tried to talk faster;) It took a lot of editing to shrink. After not providing it free, the vendor even asked me to use their links;) I might not make anything with my links, and even if I do it won’t be much, but I do hope to offset the expense. I wish I could make enough to even break even on the scope cost, as I know it will never be enough to pay for my time. Some vendors understand that but most take advantage of the small channel, but then it’s my choice to do this right? So, I can’t really complain;) Thanks for the idea, I’m sure others will want to see the bandwidth too.
No, you can't, it is locked from sideloading apps as far as I know and no I'm not a fan of this freebie race.. quite refreshing to see real money behind a given product, as that does say a lot in my danish perspective.. Its shocking how many crappy scopes are being praised to the moon and back, from many channels, where there is no chance in hell that the channel would have put actual money behind it, but now sitting and praising it like the second coming of Christ, likely because of misguided gratitude of a freebie suited with an incentive from affiliate links and not to mention certain channel will act as loyal shills in the hope they then will get more freebies. even yesterday I saw a video on an old Hantek scope from 2015 that Banggood had shipped free of charge to a channel here in 3Q 2020 and that channel keep stating how it was the best scope out there and at no chance, he actually informed about all the problems or the massive age on this scope, and it was obvious his main focus was on affiliate links and not the viewer's interest. That's one slippery road and it's very few that can still hold an honest backbone under those circumstances when china is looking for western shill ho'es. sure Dave from EEV blog, often comes across pretty honest, and almost whining it up too much, often from lack of actually taking moment to read up on the product but I do prefer that' then the other way around. so I love it when a channel is reviewing a product they have put own funds behind, that does say a lot. Yes, the 100mhz is legit, around 140mhz before you choke at 0.73v. (if you want video proof let me know)
@@KissAnalog I'm really sorry I could not use your affiliate link because I am in the UK and contrary to the usual practice (I'm looking at you Amazon) we get a fair exchange rate through uk.banggood.com. I can report TH-cam is doing its bit for your channel - I watched two of your videos yesterday and today you've almost completely taken over my feed from Elon Musk and the guy with the Swiss accent!
Jakob I really enjoy your perspective! I agree with you, I can see channels change the way they review and choose to ignore things that previously made them concerned. I’d love to make money - at least enough to pay expenses. But, I do this because I really like sharing and hearing from people around the world. I think that’s so cool! I’m just barely getting started, so there’s so much more to come. I believe if I trust the viewers and stay true to them that everything else will fall in place. I don’t know how to check the bandwidth other than looking at the rise time integrity as I don’t have a generator with that bandwidth. I’d be grateful for a video:)
I just bought the STO1104E because it was on sale for 500€ (excl VAT). Has a little bit more memory, and some other improvement I think. Pretty excited about it, just have to sneak it past my GF :)
Hey Eddie! Thanks for the review! Do you have a date for the video comparing it with GW? I'm about to get a new scope and my final contenders are those 2. Cheers!
Sorry - I did answer a bunch of comments awhile back but youtube didn't update my page or something because I see these comments still not showing my response. It is 5.1.1 thanks for asking;)
I plan to do a follow up. Have you found how to adjust your brightness? Micsig seems to be happy to hear my feedback, so I'd like to help them make it better for us. I am really happy with this scope too. I feel like suggesting it as a scope to keep in mind when considering an Oscilloscope. I'm impressed so far.
@@KissAnalog Gave up on trying to brighten the grid lines. I'm a mobile equipment repair tech so the ATO may have been the wiser choice for the environment I work in. It gets manhandled sometimes so I'm regularly pushing buttons on accident. The inability to zoom in and out of stored waveforms is another complaint I have if you're gonna be in touch with these guys. My pico scopes got them beat on that feature. Ease of use in comparison to setting up laptop and all the leads for the pico makes me grab the micsig. Storing and reviewing is kind of a big deal for me though.
Can you test something for me on your MICSIG please? I was measuring Vpp and the generator was at 1V, but my Micsig said it was 1.34x Vpp!!! So I measured it with my KEITHLEY DMM6500 and it was measuring 1Vpp! So I made sure I had everything set right, tried all 4 channels (one at a time) and I was getting 1/3 more volts an all of them! So I took probe from my other 100Mhz scope (Aktakom ADS-2111MV) and it was measuring 1Vpp!!! ??? Are the included probes that bad? Micsig is usually good quality, I think, so I don't understand what the heck is going on! I also don't like that the original probes are fixed at 10X and can't switch to 1X at all! Thanks!
@@KissAnalog No problem, when you can find time, just let me know what your scope measures. Also, can you try in BANDWIDTH all the options and see if Vpp is affected or changes it's results? Thank you and have a great time where ever you are!
Seems these guys are trying to make a push into the US market more. I have their full touchscreen model. I talked to their sales team about moving into the US market, gave them some advice on it, got an upgrade to the long term warranty and ARINC 429 decode for my effort. The 429 trigger is very handy, helped me troubleshoot and prove an issue with some replacement equipment that the supplier missed in their recert testing. One single bit was flipping intermittently, and that bit controlled power/standby mode... I like this version with proper knobs, but having just the screen is nice for a portable shop unit, less chance to break something.
Thanks for this great feedback from actual experience! There are not a lot of people working with ARINC;) Good for you! I agree with the version without the buttons, I thought about getting that but for the reviews and bench I went for the buttons. They are great to work with - I'm glad that you found that too.
@@KissAnalog Yeah buttons and knobs mae using a scope much easier, or at least quicker. 232 and 429 are very common in my line of work. That feature is very useful.
@@KissAnalog Aviation... 429 is a standard for avionics systems data bus interfacing. Some complete avionics suite setups may use other data bus types. Garmin uses Ethernet, I have seen others using CSDB and some that have proprietary data bus solutions. Many keep at least some 232 and 429 capabilities to allow interfacing to ancillary systems. Interfacing mixed manufacturer components typically happens over 232 or 429. Interfacing new equipment to older equipment relies on them as well. With 232 being common in early digital systems, and sticking around for simpler devices, with 429 picking up a bit later... Still much easier than interfacing to old analog systems. Lot of multiphase AC manipulation happening there... Though some manufacturers decided to deviate from the 429 standard in some specific ways that can make interfacing to them a pain. Just had to work out interfacing a new Garmin GPS/Nav/Com unit to an early 2000s glass cockpit avionics package... A lot of... "Well, if I set it up and configure it this way, I get half the data coming across, if I do it this other way I get the missing half of the data but the first half goes missing instead." Obscure system that only a couple planes have in them, and since no one picked them up as OEM equipment, the manufacturer dropped the system. The engineers didn't seem keen on providing assistance either. They threw the PC based config software and some tech data at me and basically said have fun. The joys of avionics... Techs get it working, engineers pat themselves on the back. Have worked with some helpful ones though.
Thank you! I'd choose the Micsig for the portability, touch screen, and basic usability. Just seems fun to work with. There's also the Ipad type functionality where there's apps and a great file system. I'll have to check to see if my link still provides the discount, but it can be found in the description at the bottom of the video.
OK, I'm back - was sick a little..... Today is the day I can play with this scope. Eddie are you gonna make a little video about this scope, more into some extra functions, decoding....? Also, how is the "new baby" doing? You could post little video and your spouse so we know little more about you! Wishing you and your family all the best!!!
Thanks Tony! The little one is awesome - always smiling;) I am itching to play with the Micsig a bit more. I requested some probes to demonstrate, but I'll find another demo I can do in the meanwhile. I am glad to hear you are back and doing better. These days getting sick is scary. Good to see your picture pop up:)
@@KissAnalog It wasn't bad. Corona came and left! ZINC is what was working for my wife and me and no visit to the doctor - just the test. I don't plan on dying - I have way too many toys here to play with every day! I just wish they supplied the test board with the scope! But that is OK, I've made some and I'll make one little more complex soon! I live every day, one day at a time and I don't worry about yesterday or even tomorrow, I live now in the moment! Thanks for your videos! Good luck to you and new baby! Our daughter is due in about 7+ month, so before we know, it will be here for us to spoil!
It's definitely a very good buying option. Have great features for the price, portable and versatile. But that's the first impression. But, it's important to consider, reliability, quality and durability. Another question: Can operate with battery and from the Power Supply when at workbench?, And of course it would be nice to have a review while using it at the workbench. Also, this or other model have logic probes option?...Thank you and my respects.
@@KissAnalog Deeply appreciate your kindness and reply. For a while I had been following your channel, and I really enjoy your care in all the topics presented. I thank you again for your great generosity to share your knowledge and personal experiences. Greetings and my respects from PR.
Very interesting DSO. Nice review. I think this layout and formfactor will be the future of virtually all DSO's. The FFT looks nice, pretty good update rate. Can it do also automatic bode plots? (requires a signal generato of course, does Micsig have one? Very useful if you're into audio applications. That was one of the features why I bought my Siglent dso + signal generator.
Thanks for the great feedback! Unfortunately I don’t think they offer a generator output - too bad as the Bode Plot option would have been really awesome! I’ll show another way to do a Bode plot in a video soon on one of my audio projects. Great comment!
@@KissAnalog Yes it would be an awesome feature. In theory, Micsig could program that in afterwards and fix it with a firmware. It is a fully featured tablet with usb (the siglent feature also works over usb to a siglent signal generator). Micsig has to then make a function generator too of course. But it is a feature they could make money on.
OK Eddie, my just arrived! You better teach me how to use this! ha ha ha I did get the carrying case + Battery with HDMI port. They also said that I get the software, but I had no time until just now to play with it. The cost was much higher, so I hope that the "software" is great and worth the extra $$.
Great video, thanks! Would you say at $500 that this is worth the extra versus the GW and/or Rigol 1504 models? How long did shipping take? Thanks again!!
I swore I responded to this before, but at times I find comments that don't show my response. Sorry about that. Yes, I do think that you would like this more than the 1054 is what I think you meant. the 1054 has been around for awhile and has a smaller screen and lower FFT resolution, as well as other specs that fall short of the Micsig. amzn.to/2MDmCZA The 1054 was made popular but now I think there are others that are better. If you want a lower cost scope, the Siglent 1104X-E is on sale right now and is a great scope: amzn.to/2O2lK0O
Good Afternoon kiss Anulog take care and have a great day kiss Anulog Great tutorial thank you 👍 👏 👍 please do more on scope 🙏 I love ❤ it From Nick Ayivor from London England UK 🇬🇧
You need to purchase 1553B & 429 separately, as I recall they cost an arm and a leg and more than the scope itself. like 600 o 700 bucks (but who needs 429 & 1553B perhaps the military) you can validate the refresh-rate, it comes in around 90k with Micsig test approach hen using the generator and secondary scope. the screen protector is also an anti-glare tool, if you want to minimize glare, it ain't a lot but it will take the edge. I think you got a slightly different version- as that side-handle is adjustable on most other Micsigs STO lines and some leather or PU leather, handle with some velcro underneath to adjust length.. maybe tone down this massive flood-light when you on a display. 17:08 you completely choking the display with a massive glare... after all it ain't a bad display reaching like 420nits..but it looks awful with this over the top floodlight- what camera are you using to record with, cant it adjust on the fly.? Surprise to hear you purchased by own funds.. (that is always a good start for a product review) would love for you to dig into this product btw what sale price did Micsig offer it to you? since you could still find it cheaper on BG.?.
I did several shoots and I was tempted to re-do this one again - but I gave up;). I'll try to get that lighting better;). Thanks for all the great info!
Where did you get it from? Are they gonna give your members a discount? Call them and tell them that at this moment over 335 people were watching your video! I saw some parts more than once!
@@KissAnalog Great, but it seems to me that the scope with all the stuff unlocked, goes for $700+ and sometimes extra $90 for the battery. But I'm sure they can have some room to include all of that for what you paid 4 it. Lets hope they will make a big sale when we get the codes. Thanks again!
Thanks Joey! It cost a bit more, but one scope I really like is the Pico. I have both the 4444 and 5444, and I have reviewed both. Here's the one for the 5444; th-cam.com/video/fSnLOsTwOqE/w-d-xo.html
@@KissAnalog you're leading me with links today like chain mail back when hahha. I like the subject matter so keep em coming. I'm buying a new hot air rework station and building a heated enclosure for one of my printers that I'm also upgrading so I got like 2k tied up. I'll have a good scope eventually
Been looking for scopes for long time. I've worked on computers since 1990. Building computers and building networks. Worked for college for few years. I worked electric for many years as well. I found that shops just part change until its fixed or not. If you have electric problems they just tell you that they can't. So I've started working on car computers and electric alot. I'm great at reading diagrams and going through all the circuits. Most of the time it's simple they just won't take a meter out or a scope. They only use a scanner. In my book a scanner is only for sending you in the direction you need to go. You need to verify that it is the problem. Not a ground ot loose connection. You didn't tell us how much plastic weight was. That's so important you know. Just kidding
Thanks for the review of the Micsig scope. I'm an old analog guy that has been in love with Tek scopes up until recently. This scope looks intuitive with all the right features for a nice general purpose o-scope with a price that's very reasonable. You did a nice job of illustrating it's features and how to "drive" the scope.
Thanks again!!!
Thanks Barry for the great feedback! I do like using the Micsig. I didn't like the touch screen on the tektronix scope that I used at work, but I have really liked this Micsig touch screen;)
Hi Eddie, I really appreciate all the work you put into your videos. Thank you.
Thanks I appreciate you!
I see a ton of improvement sir! I wish you all the best.
Thank you! I appreciate you!
Really high level review.
I watched other reveiws and they never told me that Miscig can be used as a regular Android tablet. That feature puts Miscig on completely new level above the competition.
Thanks so much! It really is a great scope/tablet:) Cool features!
@@KissAnalog do you possibly know if Miscig has plans to equip 200 or 350 MHz version with 4 channels?
Here is the link to the 300 MHz version, but it has 2 channels. amzn.to/3znhKeS
First! Lol. Perfect timing Eddie, I just finished watching a podcast on virology and a good ol Kiss Analog tech revirew vid is just what the Dr ordered haha . . Oh wow video is just starting and I see it's a Micsig Scope!! I had a feeling after your Micsig current probe vid a scope would appear soon after haha . Alright bro I'm watching the vid now I'll be back to comment soon after
That’s awesome! Thanks bro it’s always great day when I hear from you!
Nice, these videos have been really helpful. Looking at getting a scope soon. Thanks!
That’s great! Thank you!
What precaution should be taken with common ground. Thanks
Thanks for the question! If you use a single probe, then it can be used like a differential probe where you don't have to worry about the ground so much. This scope is battery operated so is floating and not connected to ground so it is much safer in that regard. However, all probes ground connection (return connection) have to be on the same point in the circuit. Does that make sense?
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However all probes ground connection (return connection ) have to be on the same point in the circuit. Can you please give an example. Thanks
@@KissAnalog
So if I use more than one channel I do or don't have to use the ground connector from banana cable. Sorry I am new to using scope.
If you are using 2 channels - the ground clips on the probe have to be at the same potential. But, if one probe is connected, you can experiement with NOT using the second probes ground clip (pop it off the probe) and just use the second probes tip to look at signals. Both probes ground clips connect to the shields of the cable and connect to the scope. You can take your multimeter and ohm the outer connector on our scope and see that they are connected. Have you seen this video? th-cam.com/video/wvMdEgAwxfU/w-d-xo.html
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Thank you very much, I now understand floating ground.
Hi Eddie, nice video. I think it's a good form factor for anyone who wants a portable scope. Not that 'traditional' scopes are heavy or bulky, just that they don't run off batteries.
Headline specs aren't all they are cracked up to be and often tell a marketing (i.e. tall) story! I have the Siglent SDS1104X-E which has a nominal 100,000wfm/s but a test shows that is in a very specific configuration: no measuring, normal triggering, no networking, no web serving, 1 channel only, dots mode rather than vector, no interpolation so just 'join the dots' rather than sin(x)/x - a 1MHz, 50ns sine wave was meausured at 118000 wfm/s. Under what would be considered a more 'normal' setup, a 1MHz sine wave at 50ns was measured at 11,190wfm/s. How scopes use memory can be strange as well. Certainly the Siglent is wholly based around the amount of data needed to show a screen's worth of signal: so at, say, 20ns timebase for a 1GSa/s the scope uses 140pts of memory! So you need to set it at a timebase that uses all memory and then zoom in, i.e. capture slow then zoom in - 1ms capture will zoom in to 1ns timebase. I did a blog on my experience here if you're interested: www.element14.com/community/people/andrewj/blog/2020/02/06/siglent-sds1104x-e-oscilloscope-performance. It would be interesting to see how this Micsig compares as it is a similar price to the Siglent.
Great write up on your blog - good info. I could see when testing the Keysight why they talk about sequencing mode so much - and it is because of the lack of deep memory. In their more expensive scopes the deep memory is marketed higher and the sequence mode is not so much. At 100 MHz and even 200 MHz the band width is a good match for the refresh and deep memory I think.
I have a video that I want to show comparing the GW Instek with the Siglent, but now I want to see how the Micsig matches up - and then I'll run that simulation. Where the Keysigh really falls short is in the FFT due to the lack of deep memory. I like the Keysight and I applaud them for offering something that is somewhat affordable and closer in performance to the high performing less costly newer brand scopes. :)
Os canais são isolados?
Great question! They are isolated from input AC power, but not from each other. The return on each channel is tied to each other. Here's a link to a low cost diff probe that might help;) th-cam.com/video/QQcZR_KV0P4/w-d-xo.html
Great review! A lot of my questions about the STO1104C have been answered. I've had a Micsig MS210T(2 channel, 100MHz) handheld scope for about 5-1/2 years. Its primary usage is for x-ray machine calibration and repair. I've been pleased overall, but wish it had more memory depth(240kpts). Otherwise, it does the job without breaking the bank.
Thanks for the feedback URaninThe UglyForest! It does seem like a great scope so far.
Is there a way apart from measuring hz,ms etc from left to right to measure degrees?Im measuring an in-cylinder pressure waveform in my car,if i swipe up from the bottom of the screen a measuring grid comes up which i can set for number of cylinders and the number of degrees of crankshaft rotation,i usually set it to 0-720 degrees.
However i want to additionally measure degrees within this grid,is there an option anywhere?Thanks again.
Try swiping down, and there should be a set of options. Look for the 'Display' option, and I think you will find it there. Not sure about the ATO, but it is probably near that;)
Link for others: amzn.to/2UNoJO9
That thing is Awesome!
it would take me years just to learn how to operate everything.
LOL It is fairly intuitive;) I learn as I go.
Hi Kiss Analog, I have the same scope. When I try to display a ac signal at 50hz the signal is clipped top and bottom. How can I prevent this
Make sure your probe is in the x10 position. Then you can adjust the vertical amplitude to the correct setting (V/div).
@@KissAnalog thank you for replying so quickly, I have got the scope on x10 and played around with the v/div but I still cannot get a ac signal without it been clip at the top and bottom. I even try it on different channels and with varying ac signal sizes.
You have your scope on x10, but do you have the switch on your probe in x10 position?
@@KissAnalog the probes that come with the scope is a x10 fixed.
Awesome review, definitely on my list now , thanks!
Thanks - that's great! I'm happy with this scope;)
Forgive me if i missed this,but i have the ato1104 automotive version of this scope.But is there a way of saving a particular prest/setup you want to use?It's just that every waveform i display i have to go into the display menu and turn off 'persist' to clean up the trace waveform,it gets a bit repetitive and annoying!Thanks.
I thought that was the one you had;) Try swiping down, and you should find an option called 'Userset' I think, and there you will find 'save/recovery'. This is where you can save a bunch of different set ups, and name them:) Let me know if this works:)
Link for others: amzn.to/2UNoJO9
Back in the days the Tek THS portable scoop was the only digital scope on my workbench. A couple of years ago I bought a Micsig MS220. It had much better waveform update than the Tek. I like where Micsig is taking things.
I totally agree with you!
I simply enjoys your reviews, they just flows and I do really feele that you tell it as it is, nothing of that "main brand rubbish" :-)
I would love if you could make a video on how to power an amplifier. What I mean is that a technician is designing an amplifier but has not yet designed the power supply, how do that technician power + / - 50V 10A, does he power it in that way, or how does he power it while testing design ideas?
Thanks Fried Mule! Great to hear from you! I’m going to be continuing my amplifier series so I’ll cover that soon.
Nice scope Eddie, but i have a tricky question (as usual :-) ) , on batterymode the scope is definitely ground isolated for doing mains referenced measurements, but on charging mode (charger connected), is the powersupply adapter mains input with ground pin?
If so, is the ground straight through connected to the negative of the DC jack ?
Because on many powersupply adapters with ground pin, the DC jack from the powersupply adapter is also grounded, and the first "isolated scope" becomes now a regular grounded scope, which can cause damage when doing mains measurements.
Also, there is a chance, that the DC jack from the powersupply is grounded, but that the power input of the scope itself has a buildin DC-DC converter so that the power input is completely isolated from mains for a safer and cleaner (less noisy) power input. This can simply be measured with a resistance or continuety test between negative of the DC connector of the scope and negative of the BNC inputs.
In the charging mode the charger is connected to earth and negative DC jack is connected to negative probe connector. I have this scope and I bought it for AC-DC convertors . In this cases i do not use it with charger I use it just on battery
@@bogdan546 thx for the confirmation. I already read the manual, but this wasn't mentioned anywhere. Only the mention of supplemental differential probes. Grts
Bjorn V That was a great point Bjorn! I should have realized that when I saw the 3rd pin (gnd pin) on the power cord. Jeez, and I’m a power guy;). Thanks Bogdan546!
Hello.
Nice video thanks pal.
Please i got one of these and I have just one question.
What is the maximum voltage input i can apply on each of the four channels without using a HV probe ?
I've noticed that the vertical scale can go up to 100 V/div.
Does this mean that i can apply 220 v for exemple directly on one of the channels without risquing to blow up my scope ?
Thanks
Thank you! That's a great question! The scope shows by the input connectors that the max voltage is 300Vrms. The x10 probes that I have show a max voltage of 600Vacpeak. Let me know if you see the same ratings on yours ok?
@@KissAnalog yes , exactly
It says :" ALL INPUTS 1M Ohms/ 14 pF 300 Vrms CAT I "
So does it mean that i risk nothing if i put my scope's simple probes directly in to main plug 220 V ?
So mister what do you think ?
@@adezrtj32 I was wondering the same thing. That CAT I rating is worrying me. As far as I understand, CAT I appliances should not be connected to main.
@@chuanliu4685 realy don't know pal since the mister here did not give any answer, i can't improvise..the damn thing is expensive so i decided to use it with a customized hv prob
hey, what's the version of the software ?
I've got the Android version 5.1.1
Is that what you wanted to know?
Do you have this scope?
Another great video!
Debi Hansen Thank you!
Great review video Thanks.
I wonder what the warranty support is like and what happens after warranty expires with a chinese product.
Great question! I can tell you that whenever I sent email, which was probably a dozen times, they responded same day are the next. And, even though she has a Chinese name, she understands me perfectly and responds in perfect English. I’m impressed with that - best communication I’ve had with ant equipment manufacturer yet. And they offered me a discount;) I’ll ask if I can get a discount code for my viewers:)
I am brand new to oscilloscopes and not very electronics savvy, but do you think that this scope would be a good tool to use for automotive component testing (ie MAP sensor, injectors, fuel pump current draw, etc)?
Yes, I think it would be awesome. They do have some probes for automotive, but they are low on qty so I have to wait to get them;) These probes are available from other manufacturers, so I could get them. They are universal so will work on different brand scopes.
great review. I love the old hand held scope. I contemplated getting the micsig. it's worth every penny from all the times I've seen you use it. I suspect the micsig has a super optimized fpga. You've put it through the ringer and it's never failed you..
all I need now is a new psu. Eddie doesn't answer his messages on patreon though hahahahaha jk
LOL thanks Joey! I try to answer my Patreons, but not many send messages, so sometimes I let a week go by without checking;)
@@KissAnalog it's not an issue man. I'm just ribbing ya brother.
Sold! They should have given you one! It is on a really good offer at Banggood ending in a couple of days.
Only doubt, Chinese makers have form on exaggerating specs - can you confirm the 100MHz is real?
Incidentally it looks to be based on an old version of Android without the Google services like app store, so you can probably side-load all kinds of apps.
Thanks John for the great feedback! I will have to see if I can check the bandwidth. I plan to use this scope in other videos so we can really give it a good test. This particular video was a killer! I re-shot so many times and took so much time trying to make it compact and still show enough, but still turned out a lot longer than I wanted. I tried to talk faster;) It took a lot of editing to shrink. After not providing it free, the vendor even asked me to use their links;) I might not make anything with my links, and even if I do it won’t be much, but I do hope to offset the expense. I wish I could make enough to even break even on the scope cost, as I know it will never be enough to pay for my time. Some vendors understand that but most take advantage of the small channel, but then it’s my choice to do this right? So, I can’t really complain;) Thanks for the idea, I’m sure others will want to see the bandwidth too.
No, you can't, it is locked from sideloading apps as far as I know and no I'm not a fan of this freebie race..
quite refreshing to see real money behind a given product, as that does say a lot in my danish perspective..
Its shocking how many crappy scopes are being praised to the moon and back, from many channels, where there is no chance in hell that the channel would have put actual money behind it, but now sitting and praising it like the second coming of Christ, likely because of misguided gratitude of a freebie suited with an incentive from affiliate links and not to mention certain channel will act as loyal shills in the hope they then will get more freebies. even yesterday I saw a video on an old Hantek scope from 2015 that Banggood had shipped free of charge to a channel here in 3Q 2020 and that channel keep stating how it was the best scope out there and at no chance, he actually informed about all the problems or the massive age on this scope, and it was obvious his main focus was on affiliate links and not the viewer's interest.
That's one slippery road and it's very few that can still hold an honest backbone under those circumstances when china is looking for western shill ho'es.
sure Dave from EEV blog, often comes across pretty honest, and almost whining it up too much, often from lack of actually taking moment to read up on the product but I do prefer that' then the other way around.
so I love it when a channel is reviewing a product they have put own funds behind, that does say a lot.
Yes, the 100mhz is legit, around 140mhz before you choke at 0.73v. (if you want video proof let me know)
@@KissAnalog I'm really sorry I could not use your affiliate link because I am in the UK and contrary to the usual practice (I'm looking at you Amazon) we get a fair exchange rate through uk.banggood.com. I can report TH-cam is doing its bit for your channel - I watched two of your videos yesterday and today you've almost completely taken over my feed from Elon Musk and the guy with the Swiss accent!
John Hind Thank you - that’s awesome feedback!
Jakob I really enjoy your perspective! I agree with you, I can see channels change the way they review and choose to ignore things that previously made them concerned. I’d love to make money - at least enough to pay expenses. But, I do this because I really like sharing and hearing from people around the world. I think that’s so cool! I’m just barely getting started, so there’s so much more to come. I believe if I trust the viewers and stay true to them that everything else will fall in place. I don’t know how to check the bandwidth other than looking at the rise time integrity as I don’t have a generator with that bandwidth. I’d be grateful for a video:)
I just bought the STO1104E because it was on sale for 500€ (excl VAT). Has a little bit more memory, and some other improvement I think. Pretty excited about it, just have to sneak it past my GF :)
That's a great price! I'm sure you will love it, so let us know how it goes - especially with the GF;)
Here's a link for others: amzn.to/3hHTSeR
Hey Eddie! Thanks for the review! Do you have a date for the video comparing it with GW? I'm about to get a new scope and my final contenders are those 2. Cheers!
That’s a video I do want to get up - I’ll try to get it this weekend;) I appreciate you!
Which android version it is?
Sorry - I did answer a bunch of comments awhile back but youtube didn't update my page or something because I see these comments still not showing my response.
It is 5.1.1 thanks for asking;)
I wish I knew how to brighten the grid lines. And compensate leads without the features that came with it. Other than that, i love mine.
I plan to do a follow up. Have you found how to adjust your brightness? Micsig seems to be happy to hear my feedback, so I'd like to help them make it better for us. I am really happy with this scope too. I feel like suggesting it as a scope to keep in mind when considering an Oscilloscope. I'm impressed so far.
@@KissAnalog Gave up on trying to brighten the grid lines. I'm a mobile equipment repair tech so the ATO may have been the wiser choice for the environment I work in. It gets manhandled sometimes so I'm regularly pushing buttons on accident. The inability to zoom in and out of stored waveforms is another complaint I have if you're gonna be in touch with these guys. My pico scopes got them beat on that feature. Ease of use in comparison to setting up laptop and all the leads for the pico makes me grab the micsig. Storing and reviewing is kind of a big deal for me though.
Can you test something for me on your MICSIG please? I was measuring Vpp and the generator was at 1V, but my Micsig said it was 1.34x Vpp!!! So I measured it with my KEITHLEY DMM6500 and it was measuring 1Vpp! So I made sure I had everything set right, tried all 4 channels (one at a time) and I was getting 1/3 more volts an all of them! So I took probe from my other 100Mhz scope (Aktakom ADS-2111MV) and it was measuring 1Vpp!!! ??? Are the included probes that bad? Micsig is usually good quality, I think, so I don't understand what the heck is going on! I also don't like that the original probes are fixed at 10X and can't switch to 1X at all! Thanks!
Thanks Tony! I sure will, but I’m out of town until next week.
@@KissAnalog No problem, when you can find time, just let me know what your scope measures. Also, can you try in BANDWIDTH all the options and see if Vpp is affected or changes it's results? Thank you and have a great time where ever you are!
Seems these guys are trying to make a push into the US market more. I have their full touchscreen model. I talked to their sales team about moving into the US market, gave them some advice on it, got an upgrade to the long term warranty and ARINC 429 decode for my effort. The 429 trigger is very handy, helped me troubleshoot and prove an issue with some replacement equipment that the supplier missed in their recert testing. One single bit was flipping intermittently, and that bit controlled power/standby mode...
I like this version with proper knobs, but having just the screen is nice for a portable shop unit, less chance to break something.
Thanks for this great feedback from actual experience! There are not a lot of people working with ARINC;) Good for you! I agree with the version without the buttons, I thought about getting that but for the reviews and bench I went for the buttons. They are great to work with - I'm glad that you found that too.
@@KissAnalog Yeah buttons and knobs mae using a scope much easier, or at least quicker.
232 and 429 are very common in my line of work. That feature is very useful.
Is it military? That's the only place I've run into 429.
@@KissAnalog Aviation... 429 is a standard for avionics systems data bus interfacing. Some complete avionics suite setups may use other data bus types. Garmin uses Ethernet, I have seen others using CSDB and some that have proprietary data bus solutions.
Many keep at least some 232 and 429 capabilities to allow interfacing to ancillary systems.
Interfacing mixed manufacturer components typically happens over 232 or 429. Interfacing new equipment to older equipment relies on them as well. With 232 being common in early digital systems, and sticking around for simpler devices, with 429 picking up a bit later... Still much easier than interfacing to old analog systems. Lot of multiphase AC manipulation happening there... Though some manufacturers decided to deviate from the 429 standard in some specific ways that can make interfacing to them a pain.
Just had to work out interfacing a new Garmin GPS/Nav/Com unit to an early 2000s glass cockpit avionics package... A lot of... "Well, if I set it up and configure it this way, I get half the data coming across, if I do it this other way I get the missing half of the data but the first half goes missing instead." Obscure system that only a couple planes have in them, and since no one picked them up as OEM equipment, the manufacturer dropped the system. The engineers didn't seem keen on providing assistance either. They threw the PC based config software and some tech data at me and basically said have fun.
The joys of avionics... Techs get it working, engineers pat themselves on the back. Have worked with some helpful ones though.
That does sound like a pain! Interfacing standards - ya gotta love them;) Good engineers will pat the Techs on the back to keep them looking good;)
Great review! Do you recommend more this Micsig or the Siglent sds1104x-e? Which one would you choose?
Thank you! I'd choose the Micsig for the portability, touch screen, and basic usability. Just seems fun to work with. There's also the Ipad type functionality where there's apps and a great file system. I'll have to check to see if my link still provides the discount, but it can be found in the description at the bottom of the video.
OK, I'm back - was sick a little..... Today is the day I can play with this scope. Eddie are you gonna make a little video about this scope, more into some extra functions, decoding....? Also, how is the "new baby" doing? You could post little video and your spouse so we know little more about you! Wishing you and your family all the best!!!
Thanks Tony! The little one is awesome - always smiling;) I am itching to play with the Micsig a bit more. I requested some probes to demonstrate, but I'll find another demo I can do in the meanwhile. I am glad to hear you are back and doing better. These days getting sick is scary. Good to see your picture pop up:)
@@KissAnalog It wasn't bad. Corona came and left! ZINC is what was working for my wife and me and no visit to the doctor - just the test. I don't plan on dying - I have way too many toys here to play with every day! I just wish they supplied the test board with the scope! But that is OK, I've made some and I'll make one little more complex soon! I live every day, one day at a time and I don't worry about yesterday or even tomorrow, I live now in the moment! Thanks for your videos! Good luck to you and new baby! Our daughter is due in about 7+ month, so before we know, it will be here for us to spoil!
It's definitely a very good buying option. Have great features for the price, portable and versatile. But that's the first impression. But, it's important to consider, reliability, quality and durability. Another question: Can operate with battery and from the Power Supply when at workbench?, And of course it would be nice to have a review while using it at the workbench. Also, this or other model have logic probes option?...Thank you and my respects.
Thank you for the great feedback! I will do a review after having worked with this now for awhile. It has been very enjoyable to work with BTW;)
@@KissAnalog Deeply appreciate your kindness and reply. For a while I had been following your channel, and I really enjoy your care in all the topics presented. I thank you again for your great generosity to share your knowledge and personal experiences. Greetings and my respects from PR.
Hello again,
To give you an update, I bought an STO 1104E Plus from "Saelig" , good price, and service. My greetings and respects from PR.
Seems like it would make a jolly good automotive scope.
I think you are right! They have some automotive specific probes that I’m trying to get to demonstrate:)
Very interesting DSO. Nice review.
I think this layout and formfactor will be the future of virtually all DSO's.
The FFT looks nice, pretty good update rate.
Can it do also automatic bode plots?
(requires a signal generato of course, does Micsig have one?
Very useful if you're into audio applications.
That was one of the features why I bought my Siglent dso + signal generator.
Thanks for the great feedback! Unfortunately I don’t think they offer a generator output - too bad as the Bode Plot option would have been really awesome! I’ll show another way to do a Bode plot in a video soon on one of my audio projects. Great comment!
@@KissAnalog Yes it would be an awesome feature. In theory, Micsig could program that in afterwards and fix it with a firmware. It is a fully featured tablet with usb (the siglent feature also works over usb to a siglent signal generator).
Micsig has to then make a function generator too of course. But it is a feature they could make money on.
GuidoK I agree - and that would make this that much more awesome!
OK Eddie, my just arrived! You better teach me how to use this! ha ha ha
I did get the carrying case + Battery with HDMI port. They also said that I get the software, but I had no time until just now to play with it. The cost was much higher, so I hope that the "software" is great and worth the extra $$.
I hope so! You will have to keep us posted;)
@@KissAnalog Are you gonna show more about this scope? Have you discovered something I should know? Thanks!
Nice Big screen 😀👍
Bert van Lelieveld It is - right;)
If you see 4 channel the vertical size is always to small This scope is Realy nice size Eddie
Bert van Lelieveld I agree Bert! I like the size;)
Great video, thanks! Would you say at $500 that this is worth the extra versus the GW and/or Rigol 1504 models? How long did shipping take? Thanks again!!
I swore I responded to this before, but at times I find comments that don't show my response. Sorry about that. Yes, I do think that you would like this more than the 1054 is what I think you meant. the 1054 has been around for awhile and has a smaller screen and lower FFT resolution, as well as other specs that fall short of the Micsig. amzn.to/2MDmCZA
The 1054 was made popular but now I think there are others that are better. If you want a lower cost scope, the Siglent 1104X-E is on sale right now and is a great scope: amzn.to/2O2lK0O
Good Afternoon kiss Anulog take care and have a great day kiss Anulog
Great tutorial thank you 👍 👏 👍 please do more on scope 🙏 I love ❤ it
From Nick Ayivor from London England UK 🇬🇧
Thanks so much! Great to hear from you!
You need to purchase 1553B & 429 separately, as I recall they cost an arm and a leg and more than the scope itself. like 600 o 700 bucks (but who needs 429 & 1553B perhaps the military)
you can validate the refresh-rate, it comes in around 90k with Micsig test approach hen using the generator and secondary scope.
the screen protector is also an anti-glare tool, if you want to minimize glare, it ain't a lot but it will take the edge.
I think you got a slightly different version-
as that side-handle is adjustable on most other Micsigs STO lines and some leather or PU leather, handle with some velcro underneath to adjust length..
maybe tone down this massive flood-light when you on a display. 17:08 you completely choking the display with a massive glare... after all it ain't a bad display reaching like 420nits..but it looks awful with this over the top floodlight-
what camera are you using to record with, cant it adjust on the fly.?
Surprise to hear you purchased by own funds.. (that is always a good start for a product review)
would love for you to dig into this product btw what sale price did Micsig offer it to you? since you could still find it cheaper on BG.?.
I did several shoots and I was tempted to re-do this one again - but I gave up;). I'll try to get that lighting better;). Thanks for all the great info!
good stuff
Thank you!
It's awesome
Thank you!
Where did you get it from? Are they gonna give your members a discount? Call them and tell them that at this moment over 335 people were watching your video! I saw some parts more than once!
Thanks Tony! I did reach out and ask for a discount code so let’s see if they come up with one.
@@KissAnalog Great, but it seems to me that the scope with all the stuff unlocked, goes for $700+ and sometimes extra $90 for the battery. But I'm sure they can have some room to include all of that for what you paid 4 it. Lets hope they will make a big sale when we get the codes. Thanks again!
It's a android version like smart Television operating system
Yes I think so.
Battery remote is handy 👍
I sure is Bert. I'll have to take it out on the car and try to look at something;)
Its Christmas every Week here 😂
Bert van Lelieveld You know it! ;)
Great review. Like the person not the scope. Ehh Eduardo? Haha
Thanks Joey! It cost a bit more, but one scope I really like is the Pico. I have both the 4444 and 5444, and I have reviewed both. Here's the one for the 5444; th-cam.com/video/fSnLOsTwOqE/w-d-xo.html
@@KissAnalog you're leading me with links today like chain mail back when hahha. I like the subject matter so keep em coming. I'm buying a new hot air rework station and building a heated enclosure for one of my printers that I'm also upgrading so I got like 2k tied up. I'll have a good scope eventually
@@KissAnalog check your PayPal Eduardo. Raise your patreon haha
@@KissAnalog can you get a fluke 199c and review it. I just seen it for the first time. Hahahaahaha it's like 2 months pay
she's real pritty, might hav to get one cleetus
LOL Let us know if you do;)
Display resulation too low
Sorry, my video or the scope?
Been looking for scopes for long time. I've worked on computers since 1990. Building computers and building networks. Worked for college for few years. I worked electric for many years as well. I found that shops just part change until its fixed or not. If you have electric problems they just tell you that they can't. So I've started working on car computers and electric alot. I'm great at reading diagrams and going through all the circuits. Most of the time it's simple they just won't take a meter out or a scope. They only use a scanner. In my book a scanner is only for sending you in the direction you need to go. You need to verify that it is the problem. Not a ground ot loose connection.
You didn't tell us how much plastic weight was. That's so important you know. Just kidding
Thanks for the great feedback! I'll be reviewing a handheld scope soon;)