There's really is a theoretical reason for how long notes should get "delayed." Learning about quintuplet/septuplet swing and applying it to your beats can mean your musical choices are more valuable than just delaying the hi hats and snares all willy nilly.
It doesn't necessarily make them more valuable. It can be nice at times to go with exact quinuplet or septuplet grooves but in the end you should go by what kind of feeling you want to achieve with a certain groove which can and should deviate from such "quantifiable" grooves, if needed. Most of the times you'll find that Dilla grooves do in fact not comply with these specific subdivisions. Learning about quintuplet and septuplet grooves I also consider valuable nonetheless though.
@@carmangreenway not even remotely the same. Sure, if you use math to get the exact same placement someone else achieved by feel, then the result in isolation might be the same. But when you take the whole finished product, I would expect the artist going by feel connects better more often. It's like comparing someone just reciting the exact words of a script to a skilled actor performing it. Not saying they CAN'T or don't ever achieve the same result, but I think it's more common
But I'm not trying to say it's mutually exclusive, or i ppl shouldn't learn those things- obviously musicians learn this stuff and can still incorporate it into making music driven by feel. Just saying if someone is making choices just based on math, the end result can sound just as sterile and mechanical as they're trying to avoid.
Not really, Dilla is known to just not quantize. Sometimes he would, but he also would not loop. Many times he would actually embrace most of his mistakes and incorporate elements that compliment the mistakes he makes to make the beats sound perfect. Due to most of his most famous works being only done on his MPC, he never had access to any of this micro quantizations. He would just chop in a very human way that cannot be just narrowed down to just something as simple as a very specific kind of quantize. All of his music is supposed to sound live and real, or very different. Dilla just made what felt right, which automatically starts off with turning off the quantize. Another thing that most people forget about is the sounds he used. He mixed his sounds in such a different method and eq’d samples to make his music sound otherworldly, that he mastered Sound design for drums. The records were also handpicked, and examined very closely by Dilla so he can know what he is sampling before he sampled, checking the back and looking at the instruments that musicians were using in records, who the drummers were. It will probably almost be impossible to get the Dilla feel right, since he rarely quantized, making his drums unique only to him, but also because Dilla dedicated all of his talents on music, and was so passionate over it that he would even lose sleep, or forget to eat at moments because he loved making music so much. This is still an extremely informative video on what you can do to spice a beat up and make it sound more fresh, and less bland, but it’s definitely not a dilla technique.
Using different levels of swing, flamming, using different velocities...these are not otherworldly concepts. They are things live a drummer would just do by nature. yes your track is going to sound different if you play it live. But you're still using samples. So unless you're really shifting meters a lot, you can map out a lot of different kinds of beats on a DAW. Also, was J dilla sitting there playing mpc drums over the sample for the whole duration of the beat? I don't think so, unless he specifically wanted every bar to be different. He was still using a handful of drum samples, it is what it is. Beat making is just its own art form different from being in a live band..I'm not saying J dilla didn't inspire people to make these off kilter beats or even play drums in that way... Also he is not the only guy to ever get creative with samples. There is a literal group called diggin in the crates. listen to dj premier, bomb squad, eric sermon...
True and kids these days dont know old mpcs have 0 visuals. You dont see wave so you only use ears. People now days produce with eyes not ears and it shows
No one can replicate dilla as he used off grid computer quantizing techniques subdued by the rhythm of the night.....the rhythm of my life. DON't YOU EVER say you replicated dilla again as ONLY I knew him as he were in the beat making process!!!! He was a master at jet suey...a leader in fang wing dong, and a hybrid cyborg. This is definitely not dilla. NO ONE CAN REPLICATE DILLA! Not even Vanilla ice! TAKE THIS VIDEO DOWN
People are not going to like you saying that Dilla quantised :) I like to play drums out on Maschine and quantise by 50% - loose is cool but often without some adherence to the grid it slides towards being sloppy. Enjoyed this take on Dilla, subbed.
Hi, I was wondering if you could also show and explain the processes while you were chopping the samples and programming the beats. I also was wondering is it necessary to have a drum machine or sampler to do the job above? Or could it be done all by its own plug in, which is quick sampler. Thanks!
Can someone please help. Every time I change the quantization (i.e., 1/16 Swing E) it changes all the other tracks as well. How do you get the tracks to have their own quantization preference?
This can't be Dilla's original workflow. He used to work with an MPC which only allow for a very limited choice of quantize values. Most of his work was done with his fingers and ears and he really didn't use quantize that much. I'm pretty sure he knew how to finger drum quintuplets and septuplets though.
Still kind of stiff not Dilla like really. I find the best is to completely turn quantize off and nudge everything thats off into being on time. BTW, not bragging but I won Dilla Week on a weekly contest beat making forum I sometimes participate on
In your video "boring" sounded better than "dilla" so it shows you its not all about timing. Most is ear for sound and sample selection. Bass also makes groove move diferent and sounds way more complex. All on all just do what you like and what is fun to you
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I don’t think it’s quantization presets, but more so swing / groove presets. Quantizing would make it straight.
Exactly, also note that snare has to be on time but some hihats are laid back, not all of the hihats tho.
This is unreal!!!
Bravo my dude!
this was so informative, thanks bro!
There's really is a theoretical reason for how long notes should get "delayed." Learning about quintuplet/septuplet swing and applying it to your beats can mean your musical choices are more valuable than just delaying the hi hats and snares all willy nilly.
It doesn't necessarily make them more valuable. It can be nice at times to go with exact quinuplet or septuplet grooves but in the end you should go by what kind of feeling you want to achieve with a certain groove which can and should deviate from such "quantifiable" grooves, if needed. Most of the times you'll find that Dilla grooves do in fact not comply with these specific subdivisions. Learning about quintuplet and septuplet grooves I also consider valuable nonetheless though.
It's about the feel not the math
@@combofriend4461 they're the same thing lol
@@carmangreenway not even remotely the same. Sure, if you use math to get the exact same placement someone else achieved by feel, then the result in isolation might be the same. But when you take the whole finished product, I would expect the artist going by feel connects better more often. It's like comparing someone just reciting the exact words of a script to a skilled actor performing it. Not saying they CAN'T or don't ever achieve the same result, but I think it's more common
But I'm not trying to say it's mutually exclusive, or i ppl shouldn't learn those things- obviously musicians learn this stuff and can still incorporate it into making music driven by feel. Just saying if someone is making choices just based on math, the end result can sound just as sterile and mechanical as they're trying to avoid.
Today I figured out MIDI offsets for writing beats which I then learn to play on live kit, then I saw this page! Very cook thanks for your in-sight.
Thanks for this man! not sure if you read Dilla Time yet, but thanks for translating this to Logic Pro X.
Thanks! Do more videos like this. And what's the shortcut to keep bringing up that Event list window when you're inside the piano roll?
not sure if you've found i mate, but mine was option + e :)
Beautiful explanation - thank you!
Great video man!
Not really, Dilla is known to just not quantize. Sometimes he would, but he also would not loop. Many times he would actually embrace most of his mistakes and incorporate elements that compliment the mistakes he makes to make the beats sound perfect. Due to most of his most famous works being only done on his MPC, he never had access to any of this micro quantizations. He would just chop in a very human way that cannot be just narrowed down to just something as simple as a very specific kind of quantize. All of his music is supposed to sound live and real, or very different. Dilla just made what felt right, which automatically starts off with turning off the quantize. Another thing that most people forget about is the sounds he used. He mixed his sounds in such a different method and eq’d samples to make his music sound otherworldly, that he mastered Sound design for drums. The records were also handpicked, and examined very closely by Dilla so he can know what he is sampling before he sampled, checking the back and looking at the instruments that musicians were using in records, who the drummers were. It will probably almost be impossible to get the Dilla feel right, since he rarely quantized, making his drums unique only to him, but also because Dilla dedicated all of his talents on music, and was so passionate over it that he would even lose sleep, or forget to eat at moments because he loved making music so much. This is still an extremely informative video on what you can do to spice a beat up and make it sound more fresh, and less bland, but it’s definitely not a dilla technique.
Using different levels of swing, flamming, using different velocities...these are not otherworldly concepts. They are things live a drummer would just do by nature. yes your track is going to sound different if you play it live. But you're still using samples. So unless you're really shifting meters a lot, you can map out a lot of different kinds of beats on a DAW. Also, was J dilla sitting there playing mpc drums over the sample for the whole duration of the beat? I don't think so, unless he specifically wanted every bar to be different. He was still using a handful of drum samples, it is what it is. Beat making is just its own art form different from being in a live band..I'm not saying J dilla didn't inspire people to make these off kilter beats or even play drums in that way... Also he is not the only guy to ever get creative with samples. There is a literal group called diggin in the crates. listen to dj premier, bomb squad, eric sermon...
True and kids these days dont know old mpcs have 0 visuals. You dont see wave so you only use ears. People now days produce with eyes not ears and it shows
No one can replicate dilla as he used off grid computer quantizing techniques subdued by the rhythm of the night.....the rhythm of my life. DON't YOU EVER say you replicated dilla again as ONLY I knew him as he were in the beat making process!!!! He was a master at jet suey...a leader in fang wing dong, and a hybrid cyborg. This is definitely not dilla. NO ONE CAN REPLICATE DILLA! Not even Vanilla ice! TAKE THIS VIDEO DOWN
@@jovantrendmaker4722 I used to produce with just a cassette tape... no other equipment at all. No one knows dilla like I did
People are not going to like you saying that Dilla quantised :) I like to play drums out on Maschine and quantise by 50% - loose is cool but often without some adherence to the grid it slides towards being sloppy. Enjoyed this take on Dilla, subbed.
This was a good lesson. Thank you.
Thank you this is so helpful 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
AWESOME VIDEO. THANKS
And yet another one who did not really master that feel at all but felt the need to make a tutorial...
What was that thing you did to bring up the little window where you slightly delayed each note on the midi grid?
At around 3:50...
"show event float" - for me it's option+e, or just double clicking on the midi note
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@@TheEventideMusic thank you
God damn DUDE.. Take a sip of water
Why not just play everything without Quantization, you just have to groove with your beat. Not really much to it.
Exactly just play it and then use technology later to quantize not at 100 % of course unless you doing Uk Garage triplet feel 😂
This is the way
Hi, I was wondering if you could also show and explain the processes while you were chopping the samples and programming the beats. I also was wondering is it necessary to have a drum machine or sampler to do the job above? Or could it be done all by its own plug in, which is quick sampler. Thanks!
any sampler will work, or you can also just chop the audio files directly - no plug-in needed :)
Can someone please help. Every time I change the quantization (i.e., 1/16 Swing E) it changes all the other tracks as well. How do you get the tracks to have their own quantization preference?
I’m having the same problem
This can't be Dilla's original workflow. He used to work with an MPC which only allow for a very limited choice of quantize values. Most of his work was done with his fingers and ears and he really didn't use quantize that much. I'm pretty sure he knew how to finger drum quintuplets and septuplets though.
Hey Man, Matt explained that this wasn't Dilla's workflow in the video!
Still kind of stiff not Dilla like really. I find the best is to completely turn quantize off and nudge everything thats off into being on time. BTW, not bragging but I won Dilla Week on a weekly contest beat making forum I sometimes participate on
This aint dilla
you aint either
In your video "boring" sounded better than "dilla" so it shows you its not all about timing. Most is ear for sound and sample selection. Bass also makes groove move diferent and sounds way more complex. All on all just do what you like and what is fun to you
whatever
Bro I can hear ever nuance of your voice and your tongue and smacking, turn down that gain playa
That beat does not have the dilla feel to it. Go back listen to his opuses again
Dilla made Lofi hip hop
no need to say "however" so much
I'm certain that J Dilla did not work this way! Your approach is way too theoretical, mechanistic and unintuitive.
Great video man!