@@HermitDaVlog not any more. GM stopped making locally designed Holden cars a few years ago, as did Ford. They did take huge grants from our government prior to closing in an attempt to keep local production going. they closed anyway and kept the money! Now Holden and Ford sell cars/ pick ups form Thailand and Korea.
I went for an S model, got some 17" supermoto rims for some proper street riding, too. Now I use the dirt wheels throughout the winter and offroad (obviously), and the supermoto ones for road riding in the Summer. Extremely happy with my choice tbh!
Man Hermit I miss your channel. I know you have your reasons but I think you could have been very big on TH-cam, not that that kind of thing matters to you but it's not even the content, it's you man.
I have a 2002 S with an E full exhaust and lots of mods to reduce weight. It is a perfect dual-sport. Keep in mind in some states like Oregon, you can only license a bike that was licensed by the manufacture. So, you cannot license an E unless you get lucky at DMV which does happen.
i bought an 03 E that is street legal in cali... I honestly like it! it is a little heavy but it does feel more aggressive than the s and I've taken a lot of single track....
I own a 2007 DRZ400s, bought 17" rims with a huge EBC front rotor. Yosh full exhaust, 3by3, jetted and all guarded up, also. But a real nice addition I found was buying a 19" motocross rear rim, laced to an E or S front hub with smaller E or S front brake. It is 2.2 inchs wide and carries a 100 series tire well & they are a lot of very good 19" tires. I still change out wheels some, but a lot less often. My main setup is the 17" on the back& the 19" with smaller disk, lot less likely to get bent and the 19 lifts up over logs a lot better than the much heavier 17. Have to say I think it was a good move and very reasonable money wise.
Some states don't allow dual sport conversions. Like in Florida you can't turn an off-highway-vehicle into street legal unless you know somebody or send your title to another state.
I have a 2000 DRZ400E that I made street legal. it's an awesome dirt bike, but it kind of sucks on the road. Even after changing both sprockets, I can still take off in 3rd gear. It would be fun where you guys are riding. I was going up and down super rocky logging roads like it was nothing...
Meaning that the are the same bike. It sounds like your not happy with the gearing .If you can still start in 3rd gear,it sounds like it is geared to short.I run 15/44 gearing on mine .Your bike came with 14/47,what did you change it to?
My bike is a 2018 drz 400e and stock my bike is completely streat legal and came with 3 month free registration and has sub frame amd everything helmet lock bar lock and it came as a 6 speed
excellent video gents. one thing you forgot to mention, probably because it doesn't affect any of you, is individual State restrictions. In California we don't have the option to add a street kit on an E model. Great info here as always, thanks
I have both a 2001 DRZ400E and a DRZ400S I find the weight to be very different! the S sinks in sand or washes very hard making it a lot more work for me to ride in desert, but plus side is the front end stays down on the street. My E floats in sand and is a lot more responsive.
When I was shopping for my DRZ.. I ended up having to make a spreadsheet to be able to compare all the features and mods each bike had, and compared the costs of making each like the other. hahha All that and still not sure if I ended up with the best of the bunch, but ended up loving the one I got!! hahahha
wooooohoooooooo I got the right bike! lol. I picked up the 03 drz400e. it's been a great bike. I put the tusk street legal kit on it. The guy I got it from gave me a ton of spare parts too. Great video comparison.
+BikeLifeMike _ the tusk kit from rocky mountain atv sells for 170 to 210. depending on what kit you need. I didn't care for the rear fender part they sent. it's universal. I cut the plastic where the tail light mounted and plastic welded it into the stock drz rear tail light area.
good comparison video. I suppose thats a great thing in Australia is that the e model here is road registrable in all states and territorys ik here at least i think Suzuki hasn't changed anything in the australia model e at all since about 2006-2007 by that i mean its still got the fcr 39 carb i dont know if they have changed anything else like gaskets and engine heads im yet to confirm that. keep up the good work
+Hermit DaVlog depends but we certainly do pay for it a new drz 400E for $8100 AUD convert that to USD which atm is $1 AUD eqauls $0.70 USD comes to about $5755 i dont know what they go for brand new in the states. but you guys in the states smash us when it comes to exciting and scenic trails.
The other thing to bear in mind is the bikes that get butcherd up. So someone might get the cartridge forks off one bike to use, then sell the bike with the lesser forks on it as a free upgrade.
Thanks , guys. Nice video. One important point: where you are it is much easier to street a dirtbike. Here in WA, it varies a lot in whether they accept it or not and can be a lot more expensive. So, you might be able to take an E and get it street legal for a few hundred dollars, or the dmv might refuse it all together, or require you to pay a moto-shop with the DMV recognition/cert to do road conversions. Because they want to sell you all the stuff for the privilege (you are at their mercy), that ends up being more like $500-1500 or at least a $250 we inspect and stamp it fee, from what I've heard on forums. (good idea to call/research ahead of time before buying a bike) PS. on the 20lb weight difference, i would expect that to be very noticeable. Even taking my 340lb ninja 250 vs 380lb ninja 300 streetbikes offroad (open forest and non-extreme trail riding), that weight difference 20 or 40 lbs is very noticeable in how flickable they feel offroad. That said, the 300 may be 40lbs heavier, but on the street feels 2x as smooth, crisp and planted.
Some excellent points! I wish I know more when I bought my 2003 DRZ(S), but I was just eager to get out and ride, plus the price was incredible (I'd say 30% below market, and it came with new tires and spare parts). Also, titles are less strictly kept by the owner for the E model (because they don't have to register). That might also be something to consider. I see a lot of E models on CL that say "no title, but will provide a bill of sale." Almost all S or SM models say "clean title in hand." Only having a bill of sale can make getting a street title a big PITA. Great vid Hermit!
I bought a 2008 DRZ 400S back in 2012, ran it for one summer and did not like it at all, but I had other bikes a ktm 500 exc and a HD fatboy. So really it was bike I did not need and maybe my judgement was not fair, I did sell it the next spring time for the same price I paid for it. So really I did not need to comment at all
Whata the difference between a 2007 plus s and a older E ? You kinda only talked about the pre 07 bikes, witch leaves me wondering about the 07 and up bikes do they both have the pumper carb and higher comp engine and cams exc ? Or was the 02-06 the highest performing bike ?
The s stands for "street" meanings it's choked up with emissions . The e is the "off road only " trail enduro bike. Has alot more power. If you put the fmf power bomb header on the e. You will have a monster of a bike. I had the Klx 400 e with power bomb. And it smoked my dads newer drz 400s night and day difference.
You did not mention the gearing. The S has 15/44 sprockets. The E has 14/47 sprockets. Just put a 13 tooth sprocket on the front of the S and you get a lot more power without having to change cams and carbs! Even a 14 would be a decent compromise.
Though,my S has 13/51! LOL. I keep 13, 14 and 15 front sprockets, and 41, 47 and 51 tooth rear sprockets. I have a second master link and few links that I add for certain combinations. I have nearly lots of gearing choices and choose depending on location and nature of my ride!
Just bought a 2001 drz400e with a street legal kit. This bike will spend most of its life on the dirt but it will be changing altitude semi frequently. What should I buy for it? How much work is it to rejet for altitude? Thanks for your help. FYI I’m a bigger guy and I race motocross usually so I’m pretty greedy when it comes to horsepower.
thank you, this needed to be a video, My 03 klx400, is just a converted e,and the most basic of legal stuff. was happy to get this info. @Everride, can you show your rack set up that you have on sometimes?
+SteviePee OutDoorLife I should have mentioned the KLX. I'd really like to get one of those just to be different. I think +eveRide ADV has already done the rack video. You might want to hit him directly on FB or his channel if you can't find it.
The S is a perfectly capable machine. If you're such an amazing rider that you feel like you need to change the cams, header, and carb on an S to eek out the last dregs of available power, then you should probably just buy something else. I'm a pretty good rider, and I don't come close to using the full abilities of my bike (DRZ400S.)
+The FLB Club Well the point we're getting at is if you go on craigslist you're going to see a both Es and Ss and you could find a screamin' deal on either, so should you rule one out or pay a little more for an otherwise lesser bike because it's an E or an S. If I have two identical bikes only one is E and one is S, I say go with the E (in Colorado anyway).
+Hermit DaVlog I'd choose an E if plating it in Cali wasn't a problem. Also because I've actually found E's a lot cheaper than the S's on CL.. But then again, I'm not really familiar with Cali's laws. Does anyone here know if converting an E for street use in Cali doable? If so, then I might as well get a WR.
@@HermitDaVlog a little outdated. But I wonder if this holds up still in 2020. Maybe re-look at this topic? If you comparing e to sm, the 17 inch rims/tires on SM cost like $800-$1100. Where you could find E wheels way easier and cheaper. No 3x3 mod, stock jet, JD blue needle, aftermarket exhaust (it doesn't need to be the most expensive), bike is around 39hp. That's almost the same as a stock drz-e
Oh man, I don't know which version The FLB Club rides, but it was really nice when I got to ride it... after breaking the left handlebar off my KLR. If I had it to do again, I'd probably stick with the KLR if only because I have such a long highway commute. But if it was only for weekends, I'd totally got with the DRZ400.
Hermit DaVlog someday... But not today. My wallet is still hurting from some other projects I had been working on... And I need a truck next before getting a new bike
Yep....The DRZ has plenty of power....if you need more, you should have just bought a Dedicated dirt bike in the first place!!(or a more aggressive larger bike) LOL....Coming from street Bikes myself, I can say the DRZ has So much power for me.....never ridden a dirt bike in my life, but I'm USED to 160hp street bikes, the DRZ still does not disappoint On or Off road.
definitely a two way argument!! Haha! I'll think Im completely happy with my S model though. I only weigh about 10 Stone so the hp that my S model has is more than enough, probably accompanied with longevity due to being de-tuned. With all the much needed parts to make the S similar to the E it would be wiser to just buy the E and fit the tusk lights. But I would be worried about reliability for long distance travel. if any of this makes sense! 😅 Good vlog though guys!
+Hermit DaVlog yep your right about that. the drz400s was an outright win against a ktm 690. I don't have the budget for those kind of bikes, and traveling distances to get to good trails is always likely. Although all that said if I had one in the garage I wouldn't be complaining!!
is the drz400s a good bike to travel across America on and do many long distance roadtrips? and whats better for long distance traveling, the Drz400s or the dr200s?
I don't do cross country trips so I'm not a good person to ask. I think you'd need a better seat and a windscreen to pull it off. +eveRide ADV has done cross country on a DRZ and made videos about doing just that so he'd be a better person to ask. I've never ridden a dr200 but it seems like not enough bike for long distances on the highway.
Hermit i know your opinion on the KLR but did you ever rode on a Yamaha XT660z ? The Tenere it is fantastic i rode my Taz (my Tenere) in places that guys on KTM 250 couldn't. I think no matter the type of motorcicle you buy a huge factor is also the rider s skill. Ride safely 👍
+ROMANIA DUAL SPORT Never been on one, but they look sweet. I am terrified of riding on the road, so the more streetable bikes aren't a big consideration. If they were the Tenere would be high on my list.
In fact I avoid the road as well and i am using the Tenere like you are using the WR :) it is a little bigger for what i am doing with it but i got used to it now so it is ok for me. Ride safe.
So some things lined up for me and I got a great deal on a 2003 drz400E (klx400r) a week and a half ago. I also own a wr250x that I put 10,000 miles on. I love the wr250x. I also have a set of wr250r wheels for it. I really have no complaints about the wr. But when I bought the drz400e I realized how much more it ripppps then the wr250x/r. It has a good bit more get up and go than the wr250x and it's geared for the highway really bad right now(14/38 stupid previous owner...) I can imagine how much this things rips with a 47t sprocket on the back. I'm debating ordering motard wheels for the drz and making the wr my full time dual sport. both are great bikes though. I haven't decided if I'll keep them both or what. I want to get a lot of seat time before I decide if one is going to be sold. I don't have much seat time on the drz400e yet but I like it so far. I probably wouldn't of picked it up if it was an S model to be honest. sorry for rambling... great video
I rode the DRZ-S for a year and then started favoring the WR250R again. I enjoy the lighter weight and the higher revs of the WR. Riding a slow bike fast is more fun than riding a fast bike slow. I enjoyed the WR more off road sometimes and on road all the time. It was like taking a gocart to the gas station. If I kept both bikes I think I would have got a super-moto setup for the WR and used the DRZ for more longer distance 50/50 dual sport rides. If I could only have one bike I honestly don't know which one I'd keep. If I was 20lbs heavier or lighter it might be an easier call.
Hermit DaVlog yeah I totally understand. I'm in the same boat. I've now converted the E model to a supermoto and my wr250x has been in dirt trim since. They both have there pros and cons. I will say this though.. After riding the 400E for a good while then going back to the wr I realized a few things. The wr is and feels heavier than the E model to me even though the wr holds it weight very well imo. The wr also feels pretty gutless after riding the E. Both great bikes but I'm honestly debating selling/trading the wr for a more street orientated bike like an fz. But I do love the idea of having a motard and dual sport as separate bikes.
Mister Motard it makes total sense to me to go with the E! Already has the better cams, and carb. Be way easier to hook up lights on that then cam and carb an S model!
+Jeff Krtinich I'm just guessing, but since some Es came with a head light it's probably ok. If you go with LEDs then it's gotta be even less of a problem.
australian e model has been the same from 2000-2020 it has a full subframe,lights,indicators,speedo,helmet lock,steering lock but everything else is the same as a non street legal usa E model bigger carb, cams, exhaust,bigger air box opening,higher compression,higher rev limit,different ignition timing,wider footpegs, grease nipples on the suspension, plastic tank, head is machined for manual decompression lever,lower gearing, etc etc etc.
I know this an older vid but just now considering another bike. At around the 5:15 minute mark you said why get the E just get the E just get the S because it has all the street legal stuff. So does that mean in 2007 the S version got all the E performance parts like the bigger header, pumper carb, cams, and higher compression?
No in 2007 the E got dumbed down. 2003 E was the best bike in my opinion. They had the better suspension by then and it had the pumper, cam and higher compression.
+Connor Lewis I would say after 20K you can't be surprised if the motor soon needs a rebuild even if it's well taken care of. I also wouldn't be surprised to see one go 40K with no issues. There's so many factors I'd hate to say more about it.
+Jeff Krtinich We had Sena SMH-10s in that video. The do work really well. We can hear each other at around 100 yards obstructed and I've been a half like away and communicating when we had line of site. Once I got way behind on a dirt road and for a few minutes CDS was getting rained on while I was totally dry.
First and foremost thanks for the great videos! Subscribed. I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on a 2008 S model. I'm in Cali so converting an E is not a practical option. My only concern right now about the 2008 S trying to figure out if it has the updated carb and cam and if not, how much it costs to get those parts. Appreciate any insights.
Thanks! I believe by 2008 the Es and Ss were all the same except for lights and they all had the mild cam and non pumper carb. I'm guessing $500 for a pumper carb from TumberTalk and $125 for a cam. I also think the E header is worth it.
Just wondering to do you add the motorcycle sound to the videos just curious because when I watch your videos sometimes the motorcycle sound is a little overbearing on the vocal part commentary making it hard to hear you talk with the bike noise
+John Behmer Yeah, the problem there is you're hearing three omni directional mic (one on each rider). So you're actually hearing three motorcycles in this video while I'm talking. When it's my by myself the mic picks up my voice over the motor, but when there's multiple mics the person talking gets the level of their motor dropped, but the people not talking don't. I make a pass when editing and drop the non-talking riders levels down if I find it hard to hear the speaker, but it's a lot of work. Maybe in the future when I'm riding with others I'll get a directional mic for me and see if it's much better.
Your comment about taking a E model and making it street legal? Not in New Mexico. You'd think it would be a no brainer. Lights, turn signals, mirrors and horn, done. No! In New Mexico, no off road can be made street legal. It depends on the county you ride in if you are allowed to ride a off road vehicle on pavement. I found that out the hard way. Cheers.
Actually never heard of them until now, but I've never bent my bars on a fall. Then again I'm not very aggressive of a rider and have only had a handful of falls.
Wow, can't believe you all just cruised by that abandoned fire smoldering to the side of the road. If it's smoking it's still hot enough. The biggest fire in AZ history was started from an abandoned fire they thought was out. 538,000 acres.
I wonder how a DR650 with appropriate suspension upgrades would compare to the KLR vs. DRZ400E, as I am 6'1" tall and over 300 LBS .... I like the idea of a lighter bike which I can "paddle" on the trails and which I might drag out of the mud or over some RR tracks, without inducing a heart-attack. ... Many adventure mods, for the DR650, do include BOLSTERING the sub-frame so as to allow more travel cargo ... I imagine that the DRZ400E would not hold 100+ pounds of gear (with a Green Chile Soft Rack) in a back-country marathon (as one example) .... The research continues .... I sure do like the way ROJO had that IGLOO CUBE Ice Chest mounted on the back of his old KLR .... I would likely rip my pantalones and have a hernia trying to hike my leg over that rig, though. .... Seems like a great grocery-getter and beer-hauler.
Now you tell me, lol, pick up my brand new 2014 DR on Wednesday, to old for a drz, but young enough to still want to get out there, and to me the KLR is just to big and heavy a monster for me to play with in the dirt.
No, most bikes are sprung from the factory for 180 so you'll have no problem fitting on most anything. As for power the DRZ is very tame, and kind of in a sweet spot. Powerful enough where it won't stall on you as much as a 250, but not so powerful it will get you in trouble like a wound up 450.
Just bought an XR250R and rode it for the first time last weekend. I'm still working the bugs out of the carb, but I like it so far. Got one video about it shot already, probably put it out next Thursday. My one bit of caution on it is that it seems to be really high revs at 65, but just fine cruising at 50. I don't see it being great on single track and highway without re-gearing for each. This isn't a problem for me because I don't get on the highway for more than a half mile at a time.
+Josh Martin I take them as more of a beginner bike than the alternatives. It seems to be as heavy as a DRZ, not as powerful as a WR250R, and the suspension is less adjustable. That being said, i haven't ridden one and you can't really judge a bike on paper. Check out +azdesertdog. He has one and he loves it.
E model is the same from 2000-2023 apart from a couple of small updates common to all drz's. the only "E" model that is different is the california E model which was basically an S model with a plastic tank and non street legal. E models came in street legal versions and non street legal versions, usa only got non street legal versions due to an authoritarian government. Street legal E models have a full subframe, mirrors lights etc if you had the choice between an S model or an E model there's really no reason to choose an s model. the S is a detuned, heavier, cheaper version of the E model and apart from better fuel economy and a cooling fan the E is better in every way.
Hi guysI am from australia . I have a 2005 drz400e which in this country has all the street legal lights, helmet lock steering lock and odometer like the drz400sm and drz400s I have the athena big bore kit etc such a wonderful bike. Man she goes hard. If you have an email ill send u a pic
So what did they stop making the E there in 2007? Here the only difference between the E and S after 07 is the lights and locks. The motor and suspension are the same.
No they didnt stop selling them. This is what an E model looks like in Oz currently www.peterstevens.com.au/new-bikes/brand/suzuki/suzuki-dr-z400e-2016.html E's here are great, pretty much what you talk about in the Vid, take a US E and make it street legal with an S rear subframe (without pillon pegs) and you get an Aussie E. Pretty much a win :)
So I got a 400 s 2019 spectacular bike I put my Harley away at the end of the day the e and the s I am so happy that about the s so I went down to the bike shop here in Livermore he explained to me what the bike was and what it can do and I have wanted a Dr for over 30 years 49th birthday about my buck bucket list bike I love it to death everybody says you can put a 450 kit on it he cans I'm so happy with the bike but I'm 51 years old and I all bulldozers for a living for 25 years but I love my Dr so at the end of the day you Hot shots be safe out there I wish I was still 20 or 30 even 40 going on 52 and I ride it everyday I love it be safe out there guys
Hard Enduro? Hmmm. It's 320 lbs, so I don't know that it could do tight technical stuff with ease, but there are guys that race them in the Baja 1000 every year. Suzuki made an SM version for a few years so it's about as easy as it gets to convert to SM.
Hermit DaVlog Now Hermit I had decided for you fellas with above 2000 subs I would just put Stay safe to let yall know I watched. My way to help free up some of yalls time spent replying and reading comments and you still commented haha Stay safe
I usually get 65mpg, but I get to run real lean since I'm at 8000ft and I don't ride very hard. If I was at sea level had a pumper card and rode it like I stole it I'm sure it'd be much worse.
I agree the extra weight and the lack of a pumper carb really hold the S back. Fixing those two things plus a 6th gear would put it in a class of its own.
I just built a 01 kicker after owning a s model for 25000 miles.It has 41 horse power at the rear wheel and is 270 lbs ready to ride.I love it.Thanks for your reply
king troll I agree , I have a kicker model and its got an egde on the e's - they also have a lighter flywheel and a different crank compared the e model
Man that was a really good comparison video, and you did a great job editing out most of my off-topic rambling! :D
+eveRide ADV The cutting room floor is littered with +eveRide ADV
+Hermit DaVlog looked you were having a hard time riding the drz
+pedro quez It can be tough hopping on someone elses bike. The ergo's are all wrong and you also don't want to break someone else's baby.
+eveRide ADV @Everride, can you show your rack set up that you have on sometimes?
+SteviePee OutDoorLife Do you mean the subframe? There's not a rear rack on my bike at the moment.
It is strangely calming to sit with my morning coffee and watch you boys cruise thru the desert!!
+69adrummer That is strange.
i do love living in Australia sometimes, the drz400E comes road legal stright out the factory here 👍
Lucky. You get that and Holdens.
thats what i ride too QLD
@@HermitDaVlog not any more. GM stopped making locally designed Holden cars a few years ago, as did Ford. They did take huge grants from our government prior to closing in an attempt to keep local production going. they closed anyway and kept the money! Now Holden and Ford sell cars/ pick ups form Thailand and Korea.
@@kymstock1852 Yep. Bloody unions. They're good at increasing wages but shit at keeping manufacturing afloat.
I went for an S model, got some 17" supermoto rims for some proper street riding, too. Now I use the dirt wheels throughout the winter and offroad (obviously), and the supermoto ones for road riding in the Summer. Extremely happy with my choice tbh!
+InlineFour4 Very cool. I've been tempted for a while to get an SM setup I can swap onto one of the bikes.
Man Hermit I miss your channel. I know you have your reasons but I think you could have been very big on TH-cam, not that that kind of thing matters to you but it's not even the content, it's you man.
I bought a klx 400 that has been legalized i love it! I believe its the same as the drz e.
If its a 03 model, it's the exact same bike... Only ever released by Kawasaki for one year. I'd love to own one !
Best video on the DRZ 400 I’ve seen yet. I’m a pretty obsessive researcher so...
Just picked up an 04 drz 400e with five thousand miles. Street legal :) so lovely. between that and the xsr900 im on a cloud
How much you paid for it ?
I have a 2002 S with an E full exhaust and lots of mods to reduce weight. It is a perfect dual-sport. Keep in mind in some states like Oregon, you can only license a bike that was licensed by the manufacture. So, you cannot license an E unless you get lucky at DMV which does happen.
+Mark Gunnison Do you know if the 2002 forks the same as a 2003?
+Hermit DaVlog You had it correct in the video. In 2002 the S received the better E forks.
i bought an 03 E that is street legal in cali... I honestly like it! it is a little heavy but it does feel more aggressive than the s and I've taken a lot of single track....
I agree the weight is an asset on that bike in a lot of situations.
I own a 2007 DRZ400s, bought 17" rims with a huge EBC front rotor. Yosh full exhaust, 3by3, jetted and all guarded up, also. But a real nice addition I found was buying a 19" motocross rear rim, laced to an E or S front hub with smaller E or S front brake. It is 2.2 inchs wide and carries a 100 series tire well & they are a lot of very good 19" tires. I still change out wheels some, but a lot less often. My main setup is the 17" on the back& the 19" with smaller disk, lot less likely to get bent and the 19 lifts up over logs a lot better than the much heavier 17. Have to say I think it was a good move and very reasonable money wise.
The E is street legal from factory here in Australia and I can confirm it comes with steering lock just dousing have a helmet or fuel cap lock
I wish I was but I'm not cool enough to ride/own a DRZ400 in any shape or form. Someday I want to be cool like you guys.
+MrRojoneck I assure you we are working hard on finding a cure for the KLR virus. Hang in there.
Some states don't allow dual sport conversions. Like in Florida you can't turn an off-highway-vehicle into street legal unless you know somebody or send your title to another state.
+raymon760 Fortunately in Colorado and Utah freedom is still legal.
I have a 2000 DRZ400E that I made street legal. it's an awesome dirt bike, but it kind of sucks on the road. Even after changing both sprockets, I can still take off in 3rd gear. It would be fun where you guys are riding. I was going up and down super rocky logging roads like it was nothing...
I wonder if an S would be any better for you on the street or just the same with blinkers.
I would like to ride an S sometime.
Bart rides the same just slower and heavy
Meaning what? You dudes are riding on basically paved road according to this video.
Meaning that the are the same bike. It sounds like your not happy with the gearing .If you can still start in 3rd gear,it sounds like it is geared to short.I run 15/44 gearing on mine .Your bike came with 14/47,what did you change it to?
My bike is a 2018 drz 400e and stock my bike is completely streat legal and came with 3 month free registration and has sub frame amd everything helmet lock bar lock and it came as a 6 speed
excellent video gents. one thing you forgot to mention, probably because it doesn't affect any of you, is individual State restrictions. In California we don't have the option to add a street kit on an E model. Great info here as always, thanks
Yeah we don't care about places where freedom isn't legal. Y'all are on your own.
There are tons of street legal 'E' models here in CA. All over CL for ~$3k.
I have both a 2001 DRZ400E and a DRZ400S I find the weight to be very different! the S sinks in sand or washes very hard making it a lot more work for me to ride in desert, but plus side is the front end stays down on the street. My E floats in sand and is a lot more responsive.
*my DRZ400S is a 2004
Awesome insight. Thanks.
When I was shopping for my DRZ.. I ended up having to make a spreadsheet to be able to compare all the features and mods each bike had, and compared the costs of making each like the other. hahha All that and still not sure if I ended up with the best of the bunch, but ended up loving the one I got!! hahahha
What a nerd. (I did the same thing).
Yeap. Had not made one since the mid 90s though. So it was sort of fun. Much more fun to ride the bike once I got it though. Haha
Thanks for all that info, I didn't know what year was the best for these bikes. I like the E with a light kit option myself.
+ChaoticDetour Good call.
Very informative. I want to get a good all around dual sport but I keep waffling back and forth. Thanks for all the helpful info.
You're welcome. I need to make a play list of all the dual sport review videos I've done.
If you don't tighten up that Rear fender........
+Aubrey Roche That bike has so many worse problems, the rider for starters.
:P
I have a 2002 DRZ 400e, works great off-road but just a little heavy.
Great video. I wish one of you guys had a DR650 and did a comparison between that and the KLR. I love my DR650
+Voyage2NoWher3 That would be a great video.
Quick thing, if you live in California, where they won’t let you register shit for road use. Just get the S, it’s going to be way less hassle.
What’s the mpg on the Drz400e and what’s the maintenance? Like how often do you have to change the oil?
wooooohoooooooo I got the right bike! lol. I picked up the 03 drz400e. it's been a great bike. I put the tusk street legal kit on it. The guy I got it from gave me a ton of spare parts too. Great video comparison.
+Piston Slap Thanks! E FTW!
I just got a drz400e too, how much does the street legal kit cost?
+BikeLifeMike _ the tusk kit from rocky mountain atv sells for 170 to 210. depending on what kit you need. I didn't care for the rear fender part they sent. it's universal. I cut the plastic where the tail light mounted and plastic welded it into the stock drz rear tail light area.
+Piston Slap Thanks!!
It's all about drz400e good video
+Tristan Mensikov Thanks!
good comparison video.
I suppose thats a great thing in Australia is that the e model here is road registrable in all states and territorys ik here at least i think Suzuki hasn't changed anything in the australia model e at all since about 2006-2007 by that i mean its still got the fcr 39 carb i dont know if they have changed anything else like gaskets and engine heads im yet to confirm that.
keep up the good work
+MARK5MAN7170 You guys get all the cools toys. Better dual sports and cheap sedans with rear wheel drive and V8s
+Hermit DaVlog depends but we certainly do pay for it a new drz 400E for $8100 AUD convert that to USD which atm is $1 AUD eqauls $0.70 USD comes to about $5755 i dont know what they go for brand new in the states.
but you guys in the states smash us when it comes to exciting and scenic trails.
MSRP $6599 USD
+Hermit DaVlog thanks for the reply and keep up the awesome work
The other thing to bear in mind is the bikes that get butcherd up. So someone might get the cartridge forks off one bike to use, then sell the bike with the lesser forks on it as a free upgrade.
+David Berry Animals.
Thanks , guys. Nice video.
One important point: where you are it is much easier to street a dirtbike.
Here in WA, it varies a lot in whether they accept it or not and can be a lot more expensive.
So, you might be able to take an E and get it street legal for a few hundred dollars, or the dmv might refuse it all together, or require you to pay a moto-shop with the DMV recognition/cert to do road conversions. Because they want to sell you all the stuff for the privilege (you are at their mercy), that ends up being more like $500-1500 or at least a $250 we inspect and stamp it fee, from what I've heard on forums. (good idea to call/research ahead of time before buying a bike)
PS. on the 20lb weight difference, i would expect that to be very noticeable. Even taking my 340lb ninja 250 vs 380lb ninja 300 streetbikes offroad (open forest and non-extreme trail riding), that weight difference 20 or 40 lbs is very noticeable in how flickable they feel offroad. That said, the 300 may be 40lbs heavier, but on the street feels 2x as smooth, crisp and planted.
Mark beat me to it, but some states if the bike comes with an offroad title you can't put a plate on it. KY is one of those states.
+Hobbz-Garage People shouldn't live in states that outlaw freedom.
Hermit DaVlog
I agree.
Some excellent points! I wish I know more when I bought my 2003 DRZ(S), but I was just eager to get out and ride, plus the price was incredible (I'd say 30% below market, and it came with new tires and spare parts).
Also, titles are less strictly kept by the owner for the E model (because they don't have to register). That might also be something to consider. I see a lot of E models on CL that say "no title, but will provide a bill of sale." Almost all S or SM models say "clean title in hand." Only having a bill of sale can make getting a street title a big PITA. Great vid Hermit!
+aseredy Excellent points. I think I need to buy a non street legal bike and do a series on making it legal.
I bought a 2008 DRZ 400S back in 2012, ran it for one summer and did not like it at all, but I had other bikes a ktm 500 exc and a HD fatboy. So really it was bike I did not need and maybe my judgement was not fair, I did sell it the next spring time for the same price I paid for it. So really I did not need to comment at all
+Sean Goldsmith I won't ride a KTM 500 EXC just because I don't want it to ruin DRZs for me.
Make sure you don't ride a 690.My tricked out 01 drz kicker felt very slow after riding one.It could do wheelies at 60 m.p.h.My drz tops out about 70.
Whata the difference between a 2007 plus s and a older E ? You kinda only talked about the pre 07 bikes, witch leaves me wondering about the 07 and up bikes do they both have the pumper carb and higher comp engine and cams exc ? Or was the 02-06 the highest performing bike ?
The s stands for "street" meanings it's choked up with emissions . The e is the "off road only " trail enduro bike. Has alot more power. If you put the fmf power bomb header on the e. You will have a monster of a bike. I had the Klx 400 e with power bomb. And it smoked my dads newer drz 400s night and day difference.
You did not mention the gearing. The S has 15/44 sprockets. The E has 14/47 sprockets. Just put a 13 tooth sprocket on the front of the S and you get a lot more power without having to change cams and carbs! Even a 14 would be a decent compromise.
Though,my S has 13/51! LOL. I keep 13, 14 and 15 front sprockets, and 41, 47 and 51 tooth rear sprockets. I have a second master link and few links that I add for certain combinations. I have nearly lots of gearing choices and choose depending on location and nature of my ride!
Just bought a 2001 drz400e with a street legal kit. This bike will spend most of its life on the dirt but it will be changing altitude semi frequently. What should I buy for it? How much work is it to rejet for altitude? Thanks for your help. FYI I’m a bigger guy and I race motocross usually so I’m pretty greedy when it comes to horsepower.
Convert the WR450F for street use. Done. Or wait for the T7 Teneré to finally go into production.
thank you, this needed to be a video, My 03 klx400, is just a converted e,and the most basic of legal stuff.
was happy to get this info.
@Everride, can you show your rack set up that you have on sometimes?
+SteviePee OutDoorLife I should have mentioned the KLX. I'd really like to get one of those just to be different. I think +eveRide ADV has already done the rack video. You might want to hit him directly on FB or his channel if you can't find it.
Klx400 out performs the drz. Facts.
@@TSCtheTHC really??
Just bought a used DRZ and read about the loose counter sprocket nut. What has your experience with that been? Thank you
The S is a perfectly capable machine. If you're such an amazing rider that you feel like you need to change the cams, header, and carb on an S to eek out the last dregs of available power, then you should probably just buy something else. I'm a pretty good rider, and I don't come close to using the full abilities of my bike (DRZ400S.)
+The FLB Club Well the point we're getting at is if you go on craigslist you're going to see a both Es and Ss and you could find a screamin' deal on either, so should you rule one out or pay a little more for an otherwise lesser bike because it's an E or an S. If I have two identical bikes only one is E and one is S, I say go with the E (in Colorado anyway).
+Hermit DaVlog I'd choose an E if plating it in Cali wasn't a problem. Also because I've actually found E's a lot cheaper than the S's on CL.. But then again, I'm not really familiar with Cali's laws. Does anyone here know if converting an E for street use in Cali doable? If so, then I might as well get a WR.
FLB CLUB I was happy with my s until I rode a E
Put the fmf power bomb header on. And you'll finally know what that s can do.
@@HermitDaVlog a little outdated. But I wonder if this holds up still in 2020. Maybe re-look at this topic?
If you comparing e to sm, the 17 inch rims/tires on SM cost like $800-$1100. Where you could find E wheels way easier and cheaper. No 3x3 mod, stock jet, JD blue needle, aftermarket exhaust (it doesn't need to be the most expensive), bike is around 39hp. That's almost the same as a stock drz-e
you do have key lock on the frame to keep your bike turned all the time. on 2002 e
I have a drz ek2 and its the e but its street legal from the factory
Nice!
Oh man, I don't know which version The FLB Club rides, but it was really nice when I got to ride it... after breaking the left handlebar off my KLR. If I had it to do again, I'd probably stick with the KLR if only because I have such a long highway commute. But if it was only for weekends, I'd totally got with the DRZ400.
+FRAG-AFE Show me someone with only a KRL and I'll show you someone who needs two bikes. Do it. She'll get over it.
Hermit DaVlog someday... But not today. My wallet is still hurting from some other projects I had been working on... And I need a truck next before getting a new bike
Why change Cams on an S??? This is the WRONG bike to chase horsepower on! It's great stock. If it's too slow, get a more powerful bike. IMO.
Yep....The DRZ has plenty of power....if you need more, you should have just bought a Dedicated dirt bike in the first place!!(or a more aggressive larger bike) LOL....Coming from street Bikes myself, I can say the DRZ has So much power for me.....never ridden a dirt bike in my life, but I'm USED to 160hp street bikes, the DRZ still does not disappoint On or Off road.
definitely a two way argument!! Haha! I'll think Im completely happy with my S model though. I only weigh about 10 Stone so the hp that my S model has is more than enough, probably accompanied with longevity due to being de-tuned. With all the much needed parts to make the S similar to the E it would be wiser to just buy the E and fit the tusk lights. But I would be worried about reliability for long distance travel.
if any of this makes sense! 😅
Good vlog though guys!
+J Chad All true, but that E still isn't wound as tight as a WR450F or CRF250X and the like.
+Hermit DaVlog yep your right about that. the drz400s was an outright win against a ktm 690. I don't have the budget for those kind of bikes, and traveling distances to get to good trails is always likely. Although all that said if I had one in the garage I wouldn't be complaining!!
is the drz400s a good bike to travel across America on and do many long distance roadtrips? and whats better for long distance traveling, the Drz400s or the dr200s?
I don't do cross country trips so I'm not a good person to ask. I think you'd need a better seat and a windscreen to pull it off. +eveRide ADV has done cross country on a DRZ and made videos about doing just that so he'd be a better person to ask. I've never ridden a dr200 but it seems like not enough bike for long distances on the highway.
if u can get the E, i strongly agree,
Good for 250lbs guy? I found an 03 e with a street kit for 4000 canadain
Hermit i know your opinion on the KLR but did you ever rode on a Yamaha XT660z ? The Tenere it is fantastic i rode my Taz (my Tenere) in places that guys on KTM 250 couldn't. I think no matter the type of motorcicle you buy a huge factor is also the rider s skill. Ride safely 👍
+ROMANIA DUAL SPORT Never been on one, but they look sweet. I am terrified of riding on the road, so the more streetable bikes aren't a big consideration. If they were the Tenere would be high on my list.
In fact I avoid the road as well and i am using the Tenere like you are using the WR :) it is a little bigger for what i am doing with it but i got used to it now so it is ok for me. Ride safe.
@2:55
Uncle Owen?! Aunt Beru?!
stove611 haha well spotted
So some things lined up for me and I got a great deal on a 2003 drz400E (klx400r) a week and a half ago. I also own a wr250x that I put 10,000 miles on. I love the wr250x. I also have a set of wr250r wheels for it. I really have no complaints about the wr. But when I bought the drz400e I realized how much more it ripppps then the wr250x/r. It has a good bit more get up and go than the wr250x and it's geared for the highway really bad right now(14/38 stupid previous owner...) I can imagine how much this things rips with a 47t sprocket on the back. I'm debating ordering motard wheels for the drz and making the wr my full time dual sport. both are great bikes though. I haven't decided if I'll keep them both or what. I want to get a lot of seat time before I decide if one is going to be sold. I don't have much seat time on the drz400e yet but I like it so far. I probably wouldn't of picked it up if it was an S model to be honest. sorry for rambling... great video
I rode the DRZ-S for a year and then started favoring the WR250R again. I enjoy the lighter weight and the higher revs of the WR. Riding a slow bike fast is more fun than riding a fast bike slow. I enjoyed the WR more off road sometimes and on road all the time. It was like taking a gocart to the gas station. If I kept both bikes I think I would have got a super-moto setup for the WR and used the DRZ for more longer distance 50/50 dual sport rides. If I could only have one bike I honestly don't know which one I'd keep. If I was 20lbs heavier or lighter it might be an easier call.
Hermit DaVlog yeah I totally understand. I'm in the same boat. I've now converted the E model to a supermoto and my wr250x has been in dirt trim since. They both have there pros and cons. I will say this though.. After riding the 400E for a good while then going back to the wr I realized a few things. The wr is and feels heavier than the E model to me even though the wr holds it weight very well imo. The wr also feels pretty gutless after riding the E. Both great bikes but I'm honestly debating selling/trading the wr for a more street orientated bike like an fz. But I do love the idea of having a motard and dual sport as separate bikes.
Mister Motard it makes total sense to me to go with the E! Already has the better cams, and carb. Be way easier to hook up lights on that then cam and carb an S model!
I'm wondering if there are any charging issues after putting the light kit on an E? Great video guys! Jeff
+Jeff Krtinich I'm just guessing, but since some Es came with a head light it's probably ok. If you go with LEDs then it's gotta be even less of a problem.
Ok I'll go with the LEDs, and buy the back up kick start..... I worry since I have the rekuse clutch. Thanks!
the WR450 motor would be nice in the DR-Z
probably been said.. but in Australia the "E" is street legal :D
Yeah. Some states here you can plate them, but unlike Australia they started putting all the lame S parts on the Es some years back.
australian e model has been the same from 2000-2020 it has a full subframe,lights,indicators,speedo,helmet lock,steering lock but everything else is the same as a non street legal usa E model bigger carb, cams, exhaust,bigger air box opening,higher compression,higher rev limit,different ignition timing,wider footpegs, grease nipples on the suspension, plastic tank, head is machined for manual decompression lever,lower gearing, etc etc etc.
Great discussion
I know this an older vid but just now considering another bike. At around the 5:15 minute mark you said why get the E just get the E just get the S because it has all the street legal stuff. So does that mean in 2007 the S version got all the E performance parts like the bigger header, pumper carb, cams, and higher compression?
No in 2007 the E got dumbed down. 2003 E was the best bike in my opinion. They had the better suspension by then and it had the pumper, cam and higher compression.
Hermit DaVlog Thanks
how many miles is too many on a used drz400s? I think under 6000 is best?
+Connor Lewis I would say after 20K you can't be surprised if the motor soon needs a rebuild even if it's well taken care of. I also wouldn't be surprised to see one go 40K with no issues. There's so many factors I'd hate to say more about it.
One last question, what kind of radios are you using? They seem to work very well!
+Jeff Krtinich We had Sena SMH-10s in that video. The do work really well. We can hear each other at around 100 yards obstructed and I've been a half like away and communicating when we had line of site. Once I got way behind on a dirt road and for a few minutes CDS was getting rained on while I was totally dry.
Sweet thanks! I don't want to buy a bunch of different radios to find one that works! Thanks again!
First and foremost thanks for the great videos! Subscribed. I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on a 2008 S model. I'm in Cali so converting an E is not a practical option. My only concern right now about the 2008 S trying to figure out if it has the updated carb and cam and if not, how much it costs to get those parts. Appreciate any insights.
Thanks! I believe by 2008 the Es and Ss were all the same except for lights and they all had the mild cam and non pumper carb. I'm guessing $500 for a pumper carb from TumberTalk and $125 for a cam. I also think the E header is worth it.
Just wondering to do you add the motorcycle sound to the videos just curious because when I watch your videos sometimes the motorcycle sound is a little overbearing on the vocal part commentary making it hard to hear you talk with the bike noise
+John Behmer Yeah, the problem there is you're hearing three omni directional mic (one on each rider). So you're actually hearing three motorcycles in this video while I'm talking. When it's my by myself the mic picks up my voice over the motor, but when there's multiple mics the person talking gets the level of their motor dropped, but the people not talking don't. I make a pass when editing and drop the non-talking riders levels down if I find it hard to hear the speaker, but it's a lot of work. Maybe in the future when I'm riding with others I'll get a directional mic for me and see if it's much better.
+Hermit DaVlog that actually makes a lot of sense I never thought of that just keep doing what you're doing I love your videos
John Behmer Thanks!
You rock dude, from Denver!
I don't think they even still make the E model do they?
+Moto2Sport No, at least not here in the states, that's why we scoped it down to a used 2002-2006 comparison.
Your comment about taking a E model and making it street legal? Not in New Mexico. You'd think it would be a no brainer. Lights, turn signals, mirrors and horn, done. No! In New Mexico, no off road can be made street legal. It depends on the county you ride in if you are allowed to ride a off road vehicle on pavement. I found that out the hard way. Cheers.
do you recommend the zeta rubber killers? to prevent the bars from being bent?
Actually never heard of them until now, but I've never bent my bars on a fall. Then again I'm not very aggressive of a rider and have only had a handful of falls.
bvhightmare no, they kill front end feel if you ride the canyons
i keep hearing all about the awesome rwliability of the DRZ. i must have had yhe lemon of all lemons. my wife called her "the one way bike"!
+Cole Knowles Bummer. Mine's been great and all I've done is change the oil.
In your opinion should buy E or S to Ride around The World ? many tks!
Should I get the 2001 DRz 400s- $2.500 or the 2000 DRz 400E $3k
Wow, can't believe you all just cruised by that abandoned fire smoldering to the side of the road. If it's smoking it's still hot enough. The biggest fire in AZ history was started from an abandoned fire they thought was out. 538,000 acres.
+ChaoticDetour I don't think you could tell if St. George caught on fire.
I wonder how a DR650 with appropriate suspension upgrades would compare to the KLR vs. DRZ400E, as I am 6'1" tall and over 300 LBS .... I like the idea of a lighter bike which I can "paddle" on the trails and which I might drag out of the mud or over some RR tracks, without inducing a heart-attack. ... Many adventure mods, for the DR650, do include BOLSTERING the sub-frame so as to allow more travel cargo ... I imagine that the DRZ400E would not hold 100+ pounds of gear (with a Green Chile Soft Rack) in a back-country marathon (as one example) .... The research continues .... I sure do like the way ROJO had that IGLOO CUBE Ice Chest mounted on the back of his old KLR .... I would likely rip my pantalones and have a hernia trying to hike my leg over that rig, though. .... Seems like a great grocery-getter and beer-hauler.
+phrankus2009 That'd be a great comparison. I don't know anyone with a DR650 or I would go figure that out.
Now you tell me, lol, pick up my brand new 2014 DR on Wednesday, to old for a drz, but young enough to still want to get out there, and to me the KLR is just to big and heavy a monster for me to play with in the dirt.
+rick1121 Yeah, I think the DR might have a lot less that can go wrong with it too.
Hermit DaVlog
I have the 2005 E, that got converted to street!
And I just love it!!!
Awesome! If I get another DRZ it will be an E.
Im looking to get a DRZ400E with a street kit already on it. How tall are you and how much do you weigh?
6ft about 215, maybe 230 with gear.
You think itll be to big for me at 6ft 185?
No, most bikes are sprung from the factory for 180 so you'll have no problem fitting on most anything. As for power the DRZ is very tame, and kind of in a sweet spot. Powerful enough where it won't stall on you as much as a 250, but not so powerful it will get you in trouble like a wound up 450.
Oh that's awesome thanks. I'm looking to get my first bike and really want a dual sport. I'm going to look at a street legal XR250R Saturday.
Just bought an XR250R and rode it for the first time last weekend. I'm still working the bugs out of the carb, but I like it so far. Got one video about it shot already, probably put it out next Thursday. My one bit of caution on it is that it seems to be really high revs at 65, but just fine cruising at 50. I don't see it being great on single track and highway without re-gearing for each. This isn't a problem for me because I don't get on the highway for more than a half mile at a time.
What's your opinion on a crf250l? I don't see many people riding them.
+Josh Martin I take them as more of a beginner bike than the alternatives. It seems to be as heavy as a DRZ, not as powerful as a WR250R, and the suspension is less adjustable. That being said, i haven't ridden one and you can't really judge a bike on paper. Check out +azdesertdog. He has one and he loves it.
+Hermit DaVlog ok. thanks!
E model is the same from 2000-2023 apart from a couple of small updates common to all drz's. the only "E" model that is different is the california E model which was basically an S model with a plastic tank and non street legal.
E models came in street legal versions and non street legal versions, usa only got non street legal versions due to an authoritarian government.
Street legal E models have a full subframe, mirrors lights etc
if you had the choice between an S model or an E model there's really no reason to choose an s model. the S is a detuned, heavier, cheaper version of the E model and apart from better fuel economy and a cooling fan the E is better in every way.
Hi guysI am from australia . I have a 2005 drz400e which in this country has all the street legal lights, helmet lock steering lock and odometer like the drz400sm and drz400s I have the athena big bore kit etc such a wonderful bike. Man she goes hard. If you have an email ill send u a pic
So what did they stop making the E there in 2007? Here the only difference between the E and S after 07 is the lights and locks. The motor and suspension are the same.
No they didnt stop selling them. This is what an E model looks like in Oz currently www.peterstevens.com.au/new-bikes/brand/suzuki/suzuki-dr-z400e-2016.html
E's here are great, pretty much what you talk about in the Vid, take a US E and make it street legal with an S rear subframe (without pillon pegs) and you get an Aussie E. Pretty much a win :)
and I just bought a second hand drz400e 2 days ago so pretty stoked :)
Damien St Pierre Awesome!
Left mirror ALIEN SPIDER ?
+IRON MAN Yes. It was terrifying.
lol
Where are you guys riding in this video?
My drz400s seat kills me riding from Honolulu to North Shore (Haleiwa) 45 miles one way.
I can’t wait to move to Oahu and bring my drzs concerted to supermoto with me
You cannot license an E in Georgia even if you put lights on it.
Hello Suzuki. Need a fuel injected drz
Is there a pumper carb on 07+ s models?
+happyhappyhani No. I don't believe the S ever got a pumper carb.
The FCR 39mm is now $900 bucks on Thumpertalk. I couldn't believe it, but bought it anyways.
Worth every penny of it
So I got a 400 s 2019 spectacular bike I put my Harley away at the end of the day the e and the s I am so happy that about the s so I went down to the bike shop here in Livermore he explained to me what the bike was and what it can do and I have wanted a Dr for over 30 years 49th birthday about my buck bucket list bike I love it to death everybody says you can put a 450 kit on it he cans I'm so happy with the bike but I'm 51 years old and I all bulldozers for a living for 25 years but I love my Dr so at the end of the day you Hot shots be safe out there I wish I was still 20 or 30 even 40 going on 52 and I ride it everyday I love it be safe out there guys
Hey, great video!
Can DRZ400S handle hard enduro? And how hard is it to convert it to SM?
Hard Enduro? Hmmm. It's 320 lbs, so I don't know that it could do tight technical stuff with ease, but there are guys that race them in the Baja 1000 every year. Suzuki made an SM version for a few years so it's about as easy as it gets to convert to SM.
Stay safe
+Tankerman You too, buddy.
Hermit DaVlog Now Hermit I had decided for you fellas with above 2000 subs I would just put Stay safe to let yall know I watched. My way to help free up some of yalls time spent replying and reading comments and you still commented haha Stay safe
i would do s just for not having to deal with title crap on the e
Where are you riding at? looks kind of like here in Phoenix.
St. George, UT
Hermit DaVlog very cool! I want to take route 14 up in cedar city, it's. A beautiful road. I'm on a supermoto though.
Yeah but getting the e plated means you have go deal with the DMV
what is the mpg on a drz 400s
I usually get 65mpg, but I get to run real lean since I'm at 8000ft and I don't ride very hard. If I was at sea level had a pumper card and rode it like I stole it I'm sure it'd be much worse.
Hermit, you better be watching my videos!!! I will call your mom if you don't !!
+The Steel Horseman I watched your a few a while back. Just subscribed, I'll get caught up soon.
You riding in Colorado?
I have the one that is not E, S or SM.
Its the kickstart model, cant make even street legal.
I didn't even know there was such a thing. Sound kind of like a DRZ350.
Hermit DaVlog yep, its the "K" model. no emission shit, 3x3 airbox mod from the factory, around 50hp. its old, 2001
and its fucking loud. almost too loud. 😁
I say buy a KTM950 for a powerful bike and then buy the DRZ400S for the small bike..Why make your "S" get 20MPG..Just keep it stock and ride it!
+Lucky-Rowe Hmm two bikes. Why doesn't everybody just do that?
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The drz kicker is the best drz.All the others are too heavy to be real dirt bikes.
I agree the extra weight and the lack of a pumper carb really hold the S back. Fixing those two things plus a 6th gear would put it in a class of its own.
I just built a 01 kicker after owning a s model for 25000 miles.It has 41 horse power at the rear wheel and is 270 lbs ready to ride.I love it.Thanks for your reply
king troll I agree , I have a kicker model and its got an egde on the e's - they also have a lighter flywheel and a different crank compared the e model
I don't want a dr-z400s or dr-z400e I want a dr-z400sm
Me too, but I think first I might to an XR400R-SM just to be different. Guessing it will be faster too.
What does that have anything to do with the video?
I think it's a full on rejection of the premise. I'm going to have to make a DR-Z400 S vs E vs SM video now to make it right.
Hermit DaVlog But the SM is completely separate...
XPWNZERX ,sm is nice with 70 off road and 30 on road tires.
Just get an s and do nothing it’s got plenty enough power
It's obvious the e is better. Just gay California would cry.
Thats because California has more off-road riders than any other state! And yeah, we are bummed about fighting DMV to plate dirt bikes!
@@theninja001 thank you for choosing Kawasaki
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