You're absolutely right about the rear stock shock. I blew mine out and had it re-built/re-valved by Travis at GoRace. It's an entirely different bike now. The rear wheel stays fixed to the ground more which equates into more comfort/power on the trail and very stable/predictive handling- a huge difference from stock. The WR250R is my overall favorite bike so far and I've been riding street/dirt for 30 years now. I don't consider it *just* a beginners bike since it is very capable on the road and on tight/technical single track. Oh, and the fact you can rev/drive it like a 2stroke is just a ton of fun for me. I It's definitely not the most powerful thing out there but in terms of fun, utility, reliability, and maintenance both on and off the road, I think it's hard to beat. (PS. I'm at around 2000' above sea level and weigh 180lbs)
I to have owned them both (owned about everything dual sporting) and rode several thousand miles on each. The Japanese engineer that designed the tranny on the drz400 needs to have his nuts crushed in a vise, worse layout on any bike ever it goes 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 5th no amount of sprocket changing will help 1st is to low and 5th is to high, I came to dislike the bike because of this. I'm now on my 2nd WR 250 R and it's probably the best all a rounder dual sport built for dependably, and rideability in all types of terrain, It's like a race mule lol, the only dislike I have for it is how tall it is stock but still not as bad as my KTM's, on another note Suzuki cannot do anything to the DRZ 400 or it will loose it's grandfathered in status with the EPA so it's stuck in a time warp and can only be replaced no upgraded....
I picked up a 2008 WR 250 with 3000 miles mods all done mostly street ridden love it I’m just cruising on the trails and it’s a blast did 60 miles two weeks ago with my wife’s brother in law and nephew who have XR 150 and trial 125 son was flying down the trails with his leg hanging out around corners funny to see how fast he was on it!
To many youtubers out there that just ramble on and on and on without having truely experienced riding the bikes like you have. THANKS for a great informative video! It helps as I go back and forth on which bike to get. DRZ400S, WR250R, CRF250L Rally, etc. SUBSCRIBED!
I've read a lot of articles and viewed most every You Tube video of a WR250R and I find yours to be the best information of anyone, including some pretty well know cycle magazines. Very well done.
The springboard suspension kills the WR, but I can't get over the fact that I like the aluminum and fuel injection. In the end, the power of the DR-Z(especially after mods) makes it a better bike for me(6-2" 240lbs)
I have been on the ropes between a DRZ400E and the WR250R and this clip just sold me on the DRZ, comparison between a sportscar and a 4WD was the kicker. Loved the way you did the review in conversation format!! Just two blokes talking. Keep up the great content.
Thanks for the breakdown guys! I really like my DR350SE. it has 6 gears instead of 5 which is why i got it over the DRZ. And it's oil cooled too so I don't have to mess with radiators. I've ridden it in northern AZ in the summer time and have had no overheating issues yet. Like you say on the WR the 6th gear is really tall. normally I can get it to the bottom of 6th at about 45mph and then I can get it up to 80-85mph but the engine is just SCREAMING at me. If I put a bigger sprocket on the back I could probably get a little more out of it for the freeway, but as it is, around town and back highways (where 65 is about all i need) it's gear right and I love this bike.
A bigger sprocket on back wont give you more mph on the freeway. That would be lowering gearing. If you want taller you'd want a smaller rear sprocket.
I still agree with myself. if you are over 250lbs and or over 6'2 you will fit the DRZ much better then the WR. I also think you nailed it with being at altitude. At sea level I would have an entirely different opinion on the WR, but up here it's just not enough for me. I missed the twist and go factor of the DRZ.
+ColoradoDualSport Man, I really need to take a trip up there. The DR6fiddy is to the DRZ what the DRZ is to the WR250. Basically the same HP, but with buckets more torque on tap. You can pretty much put it in 2nd or 3rd gear and never shift for the remainder of the ride.
So what if you're not over or under, and you're 6'2" 230lbs and in good ole high altitude Denver? Does the WR stomach the 30 mile commute to fun roads or do you go DRZ and update suspension? Ugh, why can't I just afford a 690 enduro r and be done. XD
I bought a 2017 WR250r. My friend bought a 2017 DRZ400s. came down to I like tight off road work in rocky terrain with twisty hill climbs (suspension valving dialed it great for this) and he is more a fan of cruising back roads to state parks. basically came down to suspension vs power. both of us are really happy with our bike in their element. no clear overall winner. they're different bikes.
The extra weight really does help the DRZ. I remember reading a comparison review of the DRZ400 vs the DR650, and one of the things they said for the 650 was that once you got going, it could sort of just plow through a lot of stuff where smaller, higher strung bikes would glance and deflect.
Maybe the best comparison review ever! I have already decided and bought a DRZ400S; I was having a hard time deciding between my bike and a WR250R and your review, along with CDS' feedback, has verified my decision for my needs. But, everyone facing the same decision should watch this and decide for themselves and their needs. For now, I'm coveting the wide ratio gears available for the DRZ400S but nearly $700 plus labor is a hard bite.
Great video. And fantastic trails!! Beautiful. As for the bikes - I just paid for a WR250R - one of the last ones available since this model was discontinued for 2021. So happy I was able to snag one! Can't wait to ride it.
Check out the wheelbase difference between these 2 bikes. Wr is 55" drz 58". Have rode both. Wr is way better on single track. Went faster on Wr right away in the woods. Drz better for big hills, more stable over logs and shit. Really depends on what type of riding you're gonna do.
Have come back to this video after owning both bikes. I think the wr250r is the better bike, slower and less power but better bike overall. I own a drz currently, but will be going back to a Wr250r for long trips and then get a wr450 to convert to a supermoto
Excellent job with the review here. Definitely non-bias and informative. Absolutely love my WR250, it's a blast! I went with the WR mostly because of the maintenance intervals.
+RoMoto DRZ has about the same maintenance schedule, but it drives me crazy that there aren't really any other bikes of that caliber that are just as low maintenance.
RoMoto I know, right? If Suzuki could just put fuel injection and another gear on the DRZ or if Yamaha could make a WR450R the world would finally have a perfect dual sport.
I might have gotten the DRZ-400 if it were EFI, had 6 gears, and wasn’t 24lbs heavier. But it’s not, it doesn’t, and it is. My only complaint about the WR250R so far is the damn seat. The stock one is terrible. All these bikes should really come with skid plates and radiator guards too 🤷🏻♂️
I always think smaller bikes are more fun, they are just so much easier to throw around! We have XT 225's which we love but on the really rough stuff I'd feel even better on a super light dirt bike! Love your videos!
+Hawk Girl (Misty Varner) Thanks! I agree generally, but I can appreciate a heavier bike that absorbs instead of deflects on the rough stuff. Until I fall off it anyway.
Awesome feedback, thanks! I'd say rear sprocket, gutted airbox, new pipe without the commy EPA emissions in that order will make the 250R much improved, but any one of those by themselves will only do a little.
Hey guys great video. You hit some good points about the bikes. Now you can see on my photo I have a DRZ. It's heavily modified and you can ride it all day thanks to the Seat Concept seat. The DRZ can use a 6th gear it has lots of power left winding it out. I love the Yamaha and have had WR450 as well but there unreliable. I'm old so have much experience on just about everything. The WR isn't a better bike it's just more fun to ride. 250's are more fun. The DRZ is hands down better on the road and in the desert, which is where I live. I'll never sell my DRZ, have to much money into it but have been wanting a 250 again. There more fun, period. And that's what it's all about. I raced pro level motocross in the 80's. So I've ridden everything. If I'm only going to be riding off road then get a dirt bike. But if you're wanting a do everything bike then the 250 is my favorite. The shock that comes on the Yamaha is junk look for a different one. Measure the length and look for one off a motocross bike. Get the forks and triples if you can too. This makes for a very fun do everything bike. Worst thing about the Suzuki is the carburetor, there junk. Putting a 39mm carb is a must. Great help for beginners from your video!
Next time I do a DRZ I'm doing the carb and cam first, or just getting and E and tuning it. I still find the WR250R more fun to ride on the road, but I'm not going to say it's more capable than a DRZ with an extra tooth on the front sprocket.
Great comparison. Lots of pistols I love, but the Glock just works...and works...and works. The same for my DRZ. Before I got one I was big on CRF 450 and WR 450. But those are really for my friend the 45 year old former pro motocrosser and now Enduro racer. I just want to have fun in the dirt and at 73 I can't afford too many crashes anymore. The DRZ just works.
Make the DRZ-400 fuel injected, add a sixth gear, and make the engine 500cc.. Keep everything else the same.. In my opinion that would be an awesome dual sport! I still love my DRZ400, but man it would be so cool if they would update it with those improvements! Now I want to go riding in Colorado again! lol
rode both in attica indiana and the Wr with bar risers felt SO much better off road. just the low end power. to clear obstacles, the dr powers higher rpm
Your personal experience when deciding which bike to ride while looking at them in your garage, was very helpful. I totally get it. I've owned a great 2014 DRZ400S also as well as numerous others (Kawi's, Hondas, Yamahas) from 250's to 650's. At this stage in my life, I want to be playing around again off road and with the more agile, lighter, better center of gravity WR, seems to be a no brainer for me at this point. The 6th gear is a bonus. My stock DRZ struggled on the highway in 5th. Great job and thanks to you both.
And he loves the DRZ400. He's more into dirt roads and jeep roads and I'm more into tight woods. The 400s work great for both of us, but when he gets on my 250 he's not that happy.
I'm used to 500 lb sports bikes (GSX-R 1300, Z1000SX), the DR-Z 400 feels like a feather in comparison. Bought one on Saturday. Love it. Dropped it for the first time yesterday, on a steep hill. Managed to pick it up when it was at a very awkward angle. That was the very first time I ever dropped a motorcycle. Probably not the last - but these things are built like tanks from what I gather, so I imagine I'll be fine. Have not tried the WR250R, but I love me some torque, so I doubt that bike is for me.
New subscriber. I want to get a dual sport, but not sure which route to go. Your videos are very informative, have answered many questions, and have helped narrow down the choices. I rode many years ago, but consider myself a novice. For my purposes, the crf250l or the wr250r appear to be the choices - leaning more towards the wr250r. Very envious that you live in CO and get to enjoy all that beauty. I'm stuck down here in SE TX and it sucks for DS riding. Thanks for your vids.
I know what you're dealing with. My best friend lives in Brady and when I go out there we end up here www.hiddenfallsadventurepark.com/ When he comes up here we end up all over the state and don't need haul anything.
I'm upset. I watched the whole video and I STILL can't decide between the two. Seriously, that was a great ride and overview. Wish you had a Honda CRF450L along for the ride, I'd probably go out and buy one of the three tomorrow.
I have a 2001 DRZ 400 that I have limited seat time on (got it used, just haven't had time to ride it) I've been riding since I was 8 and am now 50... There's been years of not riding dirt bikes, and I'm rusty but I got a chance to ride a 2019 CR450L yesterday back to back with my DRZ. My BiL has the 450 and has a ton of street bike experience, but not much dirt bike experience. In short: The DRZ400 is WAY WAY easier to ride in technical single track. The Throttle on the 450L is like a light switch at low speeds and the bike has a hard time going slower than about 10 mph without seriously feathering the clutch. The BiL said the DRZ was WAY more fun for him because it wasn't constantly trying to kill him, and the throttle was much easier to modulate. When I was riding the DRZ following him, I was back there just screwing around having fun, not stressing at all. On the CR, it was much more stressful and difficult - and honestly it tired me out pretty fast because it was trying to rip my arms off ALL THE TIME. Also the suspension on the DRZ is much more forgiving, but that could be the setup. The Power on the CR450 is AMAZING, and if you ride fire roads all the time, it would be a blast. Hope this helps.
@@rhein1969 Good stuff. I went with the wr250r and couldn't be happier. Has some off-throttle jerkiness that I'm addressing, and getting the suspension redone, then it's good for a long time.
I have done most all the power mods(other than engine mods) to my wr250r, and I still wish it had a little better performance. So...Im going to take hopefully 30lbs off....of ma bellay! Then get the suspension professionally redone as a reward! I have never been so excited about loosing weight haha :)
Great video I myself chose the wr over the drz because of how it felt in the bush on the trails. I feel the wr is much more nimble and not so top heavy.
Im glad i live in oregon.... The roads (yes these are ohv roads here) there showing in video i would take a street bike down lol But trails are commen asf
Same here, i live in north of germany. Every squaremeter of the country belongs to someone, theres absolute no way to ride off the streets. Thats the resason why i picked a WR X, i absolutely love the mall one. Greetings from germany "double peace".
I'm stuck between the WR250r and the CRF250r. One will be my first bike but it's a hard choice. WR250r is more expensive than the Honda. But it is faster and more high tech. On the other hand the CRF250r is cheaper and looks more modern
+alex parrish We're talking about the CRF250L in the States right? I haven't ridden it, but I've ridden with guys who have ridden both. What they tell me is both are worth the money. CRF is more underpowered for the weight and doesn't feel as premium and isn't as adjustable or upgradable. Still see lots of guys on TH-cam like azdesertdog having a great time on them.
The Honda is tamer than the WRr. The Honda is easier to ride on light trails going slow but the WRr has the advantage when you start digging in more. I recommend paying the extra money and going with the WRr.
Very helpful guys. THanks for making this vid. Your long explanation with the Subaru and Wrangler metaphor got the point across well and gives me the insight I was looking for. Have fun!
6 speeds and efi would be cool but I kinda like the fact that they have made the same bike for 18 yrs. Plus for a bike like that carbs are eqwyer to work on
James Hartley I got a efi crf and it has been a real problem for me as a new rider but I think someone with the tools and experience will greatly benefit
Thanks hermit ya hater! I'm an older new rider... I went for ....a 2015 DR200S for my first dual sport! Simple, easy to work on... fun ride to get some learning done. She is a back road machine.... she will hit 65 but the poor thing sounds like she will fly apart... 45-50 she purrs... Off road I'm no speed demon or hill jumper.... but then at my skill level that's a good thing. You and CDS feller make videos that inform me so keep it up. Heck who knows someday soon I may take up videos and catch Ned out on a trail... when I upgrade the bike.
I used to ride and race a bit when I was very little but haven’t ridden in years. I’m now 20 years old, 5’10 and about 150lbs living in rural Washington looking for my first bike bike. I’d like something that can get the best of both worlds for street and off-road riding and I’m really liking the WR250! Is this a good choice for my situation vs the drz400? Any other bikes I should check out before I commit to anything?
As proimsed, this was a great review. I am having this debate right now. I have a KLR and love it for certain things but I really want something a little more fun on the trails. My fiavorite line was you saying you can "throw around the wr250r" easier. That is what I am looking for. Thanks again and keep up the great work.
+simplelife4six Yeah, this comment didn't make the edit, but setting aside which has enough power for your weight, if you wish you could have a sport bike or sports car experience on a trail then the WR might be a better pick. If you want an ATV or a Jeep with two wheels then the DRZ might be the right choice.
+simplelife4six You'll definitely notice a big increase in maneuverability with with the WR250R. I have both and will be selling the KLR this spring/summer since all my adventure riding is done on the WR250R now. An added bonus, I can now go on some nice tight single track mountain trails on the WR. No way I can ride those on the KLR (didn't keep me from trying though :) ).
I've owned both of these bikes, currently own a WR250R. I prefer the WR with a few mods. IMO, it handles better than the DRZ and feels much more nimble. The WR is just as fast as the DRZ when both are stock. But I'll tell you what. Put an FCR39 on the DRZ and some hot cams. The bike is a beast, but still WAY to bulky and cumbersome compared to the WR250. Just my opinion...
hey bud im looking to pick up a 250 dual sport for commuting and to start getting into dirt use, i was looking at the new klx250 and the wr250r, any advice? up here in canada, after tax and all the wr250r is about 2500$ more than the klx. is it really worth that much more now that the klx has been updated?
I need to get mine running. DR350 :) 6 speed, aircooled 350. Big bore kits for that 250 so exist I believe, someone in your circle has done a KLX351 I know
+Moto Rad Yeah the trick is getting something that's better and just as easy to own. I fear that if I get something older or get my hands into a motor then I'll be spending more time wrenching than I do now. Still DR350 would be a fun project bike.
Hermit DaVlog Oh it will be a blast. I like tinkering though. Eventually I want to find a CR500 and street convert it. I have seen a dyno video where they nearly get 100hp out of it. That would be a fun supermoto.
+Moto Rad I picked up a 1998 DR350SE a couple months back. Fun little bike and appreciate the 6 speed gearbox. Need to tighten up the rear shock as it's too plush but still functional and a tame rig for newer riders.
As per me its incorrect to compare those 2 bikes. Suzuki is the only one that still did not make its modern 250 dual sport while other 3 Japanese brands did it. I think we can compare only Yamaha WR250R vs Kawasaki KLX250S vs Honda CRF250L. DRZ is not in this line - she is 400 cc, regular fork, carburator, 5 gears.
James Starke Sweet! Ah. The joy. I was a raving lunatic who only lived for riding when I first started. Now it's a balanced part of my life. Lol I ride more frequently but less on huge trips.
+jacob edwards One of my best friends lives in Dallas and when his DRZ got stolen he bought a FZ-07. I think he's almost glad the DRZ got stolen. If I was going to get a street bike I'd get an FZ-07 and program it to have about half the horse power. Those things are awesomely insane.
Great review and I'd have to say you were dead on as far as my experience has been. a 450 version dual sport would be absolute king i think. I'm curious what both of you would think of a DR650, it's like a Kodiak ATV with two wheels in the dirt and lower center of gravity then a KLR and people take those all over Australia and the world.
Yeah they are about as nimble as a warthog in a Ballerina outfit, they are I think much easier to pick up and balance then a KLR. If you dont do long distance or a lot of high speed pavement the DRZ and WR make way better companions
Got both bikes, didn't get to commute more than about ten miles to the logging roads (2 miles closet) first impression on wr on blacktop was why does it have 6th gear? To alert every cop in the county?
Thanks for taking us along for the ride ! We are looking pretty close at a 2002 suzuki drz400 now and you answered my question at 9:16 . That DRZ sounds like the perfect enduro bike .👍 I'm used to the power of a Suzuki RM 250 and guessing the drz 400 is about the same with some extra low end torque ?
suspension is another topic, why is the drz running forks from the 80's? the wr/ktm/husky are the only bikes running inverted forks on dual sports. I dont have anything against suzuki, if the drz400 had fuel injection, newer forks and a 6 speed I would look into one.
+Joseph Britz Yeah, but while that old design doesn't look very sexy, I have to say I think it rides better than the WR250R forks. One of the few areas where it might top it.
@t nonyabusiness I put 2000 miles on it. Tons of fun. Needs a 6th gear. Needs a lower 1st 2nd, gear. Seat Concepts with a Mad dog cover on top is a must. If you are tall you will need higher handlebars. I Bought a 2020 DR200s for my daughter, now I have a riding buddy.
That was a REALLY good video! At 43, I'm leaning towards the 400 or even a DR 650 for the low end torque. I think the 650 might be my pick (after the lame suspension is sorted).
As someone that has a dr650sm geared 15/48 thinking about getting a brand new wr250r to buy sm wheels for, I really appreciate this video. I'm torn if I should keep the 650 tractor after getting the Yami. I'm thinking of keeping the 650 to turn into a adv bike. Great video man.
I've been watching so many videos about the DRZ and I'm just really excited about getting one and then I watch this video about the Yamaha and now I'm confused again so great video but thanks a lot now you got me confused LOL
It’s really a hard decision usually you pick a bike you buy it and you don’t know the difference so you love it and you ride it if there’s nothing to compare it to you can’t be disappointed
I don' t understand why you would want to own these two bikes together. If you have the resources to own multiple bikes, I wouldn't choose bikes that are this similar. Between the WR250 and the DRZ400 I'd say that when you can only have one bike, the DRZ would be much better. If you can have another one I;d take the lighter and more offroad centered WR250 and a larger all-road like the transalp, pegaso or f650 for longer adventures and maybe commuting.
I think you're missing the point. I have bunch of bikes but I'm still so interested to have 1 do it all machine. These videos are popular for that exact reason
It's great to have some kind of review for a product, whatever that may be. If this were a review for a professional camera, and the viewer had no photography experience, only so much of the review would be understood. For an experienced motorcyclist checking out a bike review, I think the person producing the bike review would be heavily judge on how experienced they are to review a bike. The question: Is this a credible product review? Does this person know what they are talking about? Are we even qualified to make such a judgement? As a professional driver, I can tell immediately if someone is as skilled as they say they are about driving, and that comes from experience working around inexperienced unskilled "self proclaimed" great drivers. Anyway, thanks for the review!
Hmmm. This is interesting. I'm not sure I entirely agree with your point, and by your criteria I have to admit this may not be the most credible review as I'm not that experienced of a rider. That being said I've read several reviews of cars by professional driver Randy Pobst and while they're valuable they don't help me decide what car to buy as much a review by say Johnny Lieberman nor are they as entertaining as a review by Jeremy Clarkson who is the most read reviewer in the world despite not being a professional driver. When I started out looking for my first motorcycle (WR250R) all the reviews were by professional riders with racing backgrounds who rode the bike for one day and felt the WR250R just wasn't that serious of a bike. I'm guessing something north of 90% of the buyers of that bike have never raced and have no intention to. What I really wanted to know is with my small amount of experience how was I going to feel about the purchase a few years in. Then when I was looking for a DRZ what I really wanted to know was after a year or so how was I going to feel about it compared to the WR250R. There was lots of information put out by professionals who rode the bike for a day, but that wasn't the perspective I was looking for, so once I had access to that perspective I put it out there for the next guy. Thanks for watching and your detailed input.
+Hermit DaVlog. That makes sense. I see how perspectives can differ from person to person. I think this review is great. I've only been on a motorcycle once for about one city block. So, I only have a limited grasp on the differences of these two bikes. But it does help me. I'm the type that will never know until I try it. Thanks for the response. I didn't mean to come across negatively. I wanted to contrast differences between viewers is all.
I don’t understand why you’re talking about sprocket gearing so much given you can change it so easily. Gear cluster ratios are where the action is...the ACT wide ratio gears transform the DRZ400 more than any other mod...assuming you can split cases yourself, spending $700 on wide ratio gears will yield better results than cams, big bore, stroker...and probably after market exhaust too.
there's a pretty good modification overview on the wr250r on Motorcycle Adventure Dirtbike TV. he talks about all the things that get modified on the WRS, for a off roading trail riding company.
The rear suspension "pogo sticks" probably because you don't have your sag set properly. It's fully adjustable, so adjust it. The lack of power does suck though. I'd love to have a 350 or 450 WR*50R, same reliable setup as the 250 but with a 350 or 450.
Sag has been set. The WR250R is notorious for having a woefully underpowered rebound knob. Even when it's turned all the way up it's not enough unless you weigh 300 lbs. People have built entire businesses from rebuilding that shock with better valves.
I'm riding a 2012, but I don't believe they've changed anything but colors and the stator on that bike since 08. Here's a good video about re-valving the rebound th-cam.com/video/k8VomeL0FZo/w-d-xo.html
Even with a big bore and cams the drz is still kind of a heavy dog with a stock carb that’s been worked over. I could still throw it around on stock gearing and power wheelies through every gear are more than possible. A very fun and predictable bike even when modded. A very beginner friendly bike.
great video. would you recommend, to a new WR owner, spending the money to upgrade the engine for more horsepower and adding a bigger fuel tank? i have seen those mods done on the Motorcycle Adventure Dirtbike TV channel.
+879doogie No. I think most performance mods for dual sports (especially the WR250R) are like putting lipstick on a pig. That goes double for bolt ons. Usually it's cheaper in the long run to just to buy a more powerful bike assuming you can sell the 250R for what close (with in $1K) of the price of the new bike. I haven't ridden a WR250R with an Athena kit (290) yet, but if someone was really in love with the handling of the 250R so much so that a DRZ400 wouldn't work for them, and they just needed a little grunt to make it perfect, then maybe I could see dropping $800 on that kit. Might even do it myself, but only because I think it would be fun to do the work myself and my expectations would be realistic. Make sure you've geared that bike down before doing anything as I think that's really the best bang for the buck.
Pipe and fuel controller. Should be able to get them for 500ish. Greatly improves throttle response and nets a not too shabby 15% hp gain. Don’t listen to people that don’t own the mods telling you they are a waste. Because these are the same people that mod the shit outta DRZ and 690s after claiming they’re good to go from the factory 🤣
Great review Hermit. Ive recently ditched my old 99 KLX 250, and am looking for my weekend warrior dual sport, and am stuck with so many options. Im not a great rider, so think i should pass on the KTM 450, Husqvarna 449, Honda CRF450 and WR450F. The DRZ looks so heavy but am worried that 250cc wont get me along the road very well with some camping gear on it.
I like your video. How are you recording your audio and buddy's audio? Would be cool to start doing group moto vlogs for when my group is on the trails. I can't decide if I want a klx300 like my friends, or drz400, or xr650l. But I need something better than my Chinese shark 250.
I'm looking for a good dual sport to wheelie. What is better for wheeling drz400S or wr250r? Which one is easier to get the front wheel off the ground and keeping it up?
I would never own anything less then a 400 ccs motorcycle . Drz 400 all the way ... Even it is underpowered for my taste, but its still a great bike . If only they made a Drz 450 or 500 with fuel injection and 6 gears it would be the perfect duel sport bike .
Dear Hermit..whats yr comment on Wr250R vs Wr250f both efi 2015 model above..in terms of performance ..maintenance..service intervals..i hv upgraded gytr fmf 4.1 factory/titanium..but i actualy didnt like the stock fuel tank..also i almost buying Drz400e but carb/smaller tank/almost same power as Wr250f..i choose Wr250f 2015 instead..i also owned Xr650l 2 unit.
Wich bike would better climb big uphills? Would the wrr be handicapped by its lack of power despite its weight? Thank you. I ride off-road only and I'm hesitating between those two.
Oh hey. Looked to make sure but didnt see you on the Colorado + Front range Motovlogger group on facebook but I did see CDS on there. Pretty awesome how youtube made you pop at the top of my suggestions. Sweet review. I prefer Yamaha and have been looking at the WR for a while. I can not bring myself to ever get a Suzuki. I wonder how these bikes are at sea level and not at 6000+ feet.
+The Big Borkowski I've hauled the WR down to 500ft to ride. Altitude does more for it than any other mod I've done except for gears. It's still not as strong as a WR250F, but I'd say plenty of bike for a beginner or intermediate.
You're absolutely right about the rear stock shock. I blew mine out and had it re-built/re-valved by Travis at GoRace. It's an entirely different bike now. The rear wheel stays fixed to the ground more which equates into more comfort/power on the trail and very stable/predictive handling- a huge difference from stock.
The WR250R is my overall favorite bike so far and I've been riding street/dirt for 30 years now. I don't consider it *just* a beginners bike since it is very capable on the road and on tight/technical single track. Oh, and the fact you can rev/drive it like a 2stroke is just a ton of fun for me. I
It's definitely not the most powerful thing out there but in terms of fun, utility, reliability, and maintenance both on and off the road, I think it's hard to beat.
(PS. I'm at around 2000' above sea level and weigh 180lbs)
Excellent comment, friend. Thanks!
Made my decision finally. Got the drz. It’s awesome so far. The 250s were too weak for my fat ass
I to have owned them both (owned about everything dual sporting) and rode several thousand miles on each. The Japanese engineer that designed the tranny on the drz400 needs to have his nuts crushed in a vise, worse layout on any bike ever it goes 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 5th no amount of sprocket changing will help 1st is to low and 5th is to high, I came to dislike the bike because of this. I'm now on my 2nd WR 250 R and it's probably the best all a rounder dual sport built for dependably, and rideability in all types of terrain, It's like a race mule lol, the only dislike I have for it is how tall it is stock but still not as bad as my KTM's, on another note Suzuki cannot do anything to the DRZ 400 or it will loose it's grandfathered in status with the EPA so it's stuck in a time warp and can only be replaced no upgraded....
I picked up a 2008 WR 250 with 3000 miles mods all done mostly street ridden love it I’m just cruising on the trails and it’s a blast did 60 miles two weeks ago with my wife’s brother in law and nephew who have XR 150 and trial 125 son was flying down the trails with his leg hanging out around corners funny to see how fast he was on it!
To many youtubers out there that just ramble on and on and on without having truely experienced riding the bikes like you have. THANKS for a great informative video! It helps as I go back and forth on which bike to get. DRZ400S, WR250R, CRF250L Rally, etc. SUBSCRIBED!
Add Honda CRF450L and I'm in the same boat.
I've read a lot of articles and viewed most every You Tube video of a WR250R and I find yours to be the best information of anyone, including some pretty well know cycle magazines. Very well done.
Wow, really appreciate that. Thanks.
The springboard suspension kills the WR, but I can't get over the fact that I like the aluminum and fuel injection. In the end, the power of the DR-Z(especially after mods) makes it a better bike for me(6-2" 240lbs)
Welfare States Yeah, I totally agree.
I have been on the ropes between a DRZ400E and the WR250R and this clip just sold me on the DRZ, comparison between a sportscar and a 4WD was the kicker. Loved the way you did the review in conversation format!! Just two blokes talking. Keep up the great content.
I agree. I wish there was something between wr250r and the new tenere 700.
What about a 426? I hear they’re good bikes and maybe you could convert it
exc 500 but it’s not the most reliable
Still relevant after five years... Great video
Still relevant.
this re-confirmed the wr250r I'm going to pick up soon, GREAT VIDEO
+ZackGoes Only if I watched this video before, I would have known the bike your getting :)
Chris Crowder ;D
+ZackGoes Really can't go wrong with either, but you'll love the WR250R for sure.
+ZackGoes why did you choose the wr over the drz?
Murray Allan wr is fuel injected, and I don't need a 400 right now
Thanks for the breakdown guys! I really like my DR350SE. it has 6 gears instead of 5 which is why i got it over the DRZ. And it's oil cooled too so I don't have to mess with radiators. I've ridden it in northern AZ in the summer time and have had no overheating issues yet. Like you say on the WR the 6th gear is really tall. normally I can get it to the bottom of 6th at about 45mph and then I can get it up to 80-85mph but the engine is just SCREAMING at me. If I put a bigger sprocket on the back I could probably get a little more out of it for the freeway, but as it is, around town and back highways (where 65 is about all i need) it's gear right and I love this bike.
+Sam Harsha That's consistent with my experience. Thanks for chiming in.
A bigger sprocket on back wont give you more mph on the freeway. That would be lowering gearing. If you want taller you'd want a smaller rear sprocket.
I still agree with myself. if you are over 250lbs and or over 6'2 you will fit the DRZ much better then the WR. I also think you nailed it with being at altitude. At sea level I would have an entirely different opinion on the WR, but up here it's just not enough for me. I missed the twist and go factor of the DRZ.
+ColoradoDualSport One thing you've always excelled at is agreeing with yourself.
+Hermit DaVlog lmao
+ColoradoDualSport Man, I really need to take a trip up there. The DR6fiddy is to the DRZ what the DRZ is to the WR250. Basically the same HP, but with buckets more torque on tap. You can pretty much put it in 2nd or 3rd gear and never shift for the remainder of the ride.
+Hermit DaVlog lmao
So what if you're not over or under, and you're 6'2" 230lbs and in good ole high altitude Denver? Does the WR stomach the 30 mile commute to fun roads or do you go DRZ and update suspension? Ugh, why can't I just afford a 690 enduro r and be done. XD
I bought a 2017 WR250r. My friend bought a 2017 DRZ400s. came down to I like tight off road work in rocky terrain with twisty hill climbs (suspension valving dialed it great for this) and he is more a fan of cruising back roads to state parks.
basically came down to suspension vs power. both of us are really happy with our bike in their element. no clear overall winner. they're different bikes.
Exactly right.
The extra weight really does help the DRZ. I remember reading a comparison review of the DRZ400 vs the DR650, and one of the things they said for the 650 was that once you got going, it could sort of just plow through a lot of stuff where smaller, higher strung bikes would glance and deflect.
Sounds right to me.
Maybe the best comparison review ever! I have already decided and bought a DRZ400S; I was having a hard time deciding between my bike and a WR250R and your review, along with CDS' feedback, has verified my decision for my needs. But, everyone facing the same decision should watch this and decide for themselves and their needs. For now, I'm coveting the wide ratio gears available for the DRZ400S but nearly $700 plus labor is a hard bite.
I'm hoping MrDuhfactor is going to do a DRZ tranny video one of these days and have heard rumors that he's planning to.
+Hermit DaVlog That would be great!
Great video, indeed!!! Thanks for taking the time to post it...
+RantzBizGroup Sure thing. Thanks for taking the time to watch it.
Great video. And fantastic trails!! Beautiful. As for the bikes - I just paid for a WR250R - one of the last ones available since this model was discontinued for 2021. So happy I was able to snag one! Can't wait to ride it.
Check out the wheelbase difference between these 2 bikes. Wr is 55" drz 58". Have rode both. Wr is way better on single track. Went faster on Wr right away in the woods. Drz better for big hills, more stable over logs and shit. Really depends on what type of riding you're gonna do.
Have come back to this video after owning both bikes. I think the wr250r is the better bike, slower and less power but better bike overall. I own a drz currently, but will be going back to a Wr250r for long trips and then get a wr450 to convert to a supermoto
I just bought the DRZ, absolutely love it!
Excellent job with the review here. Definitely non-bias and informative. Absolutely love my WR250, it's a blast! I went with the WR mostly because of the maintenance intervals.
+RoMoto DRZ has about the same maintenance schedule, but it drives me crazy that there aren't really any other bikes of that caliber that are just as low maintenance.
+Hermit DaVlog hmm I did not know that. Still, fuel injection... Gotta love it!
RoMoto I know, right? If Suzuki could just put fuel injection and another gear on the DRZ or if Yamaha could make a WR450R the world would finally have a perfect dual sport.
@@HermitDaVlog ⬆️ THIS! ⬆️
"It's like a scooter for people that don't want to look gay." -Fucking Legend
Thanks. Though I think the CSC RX3 might have dethroned the WR250R in that category.
no its like a dirtbike for people who like dirtbikes and not street bikes
get the wr450 not the 250
Pretty homophobic thing to say
@@Eli1sawsome this does not age well
I might have gotten the DRZ-400 if it were EFI, had 6 gears, and wasn’t 24lbs heavier. But it’s not, it doesn’t, and it is.
My only complaint about the WR250R so far is the damn seat. The stock one is terrible. All these bikes should really come with skid plates and radiator guards too 🤷🏻♂️
The commentary near the end was hilarious, thank you. Also informative, I'm trying to decide between the two.
I always think smaller bikes are more fun, they are just so much easier to throw around! We have XT 225's which we love but on the really rough stuff I'd feel even better on a super light dirt bike! Love your videos!
+Hawk Girl (Misty Varner) Thanks! I agree generally, but I can appreciate a heavier bike that absorbs instead of deflects on the rough stuff. Until I fall off it anyway.
+Hermit DaVlog Lol, me too!
I've had all the 650's, test rode a WR250 and now own a Z400. Loved them all but Z is best for me. I heard the WR is improved greatly with a pipe.
Awesome feedback, thanks! I'd say rear sprocket, gutted airbox, new pipe without the commy EPA emissions in that order will make the 250R much improved, but any one of those by themselves will only do a little.
Hey guys great video. You hit some good points about the bikes. Now you can see on my photo I have a DRZ. It's heavily modified and you can ride it all day thanks to the Seat Concept seat. The DRZ can use a 6th gear it has lots of power left winding it out. I love the Yamaha and have had WR450 as well but there unreliable. I'm old so have much experience on just about everything. The WR isn't a better bike it's just more fun to ride. 250's are more fun. The DRZ is hands down better on the road and in the desert, which is where I live. I'll never sell my DRZ, have to much money into it but have been wanting a 250 again. There more fun, period. And that's what it's all about. I raced pro level motocross in the 80's. So I've ridden everything. If I'm only going to be riding off road then get a dirt bike. But if you're wanting a do everything bike then the 250 is my favorite. The shock that comes on the Yamaha is junk look for a different one. Measure the length and look for one off a motocross bike. Get the forks and triples if you can too. This makes for a very fun do everything bike.
Worst thing about the Suzuki is the carburetor, there junk. Putting a 39mm carb is a must.
Great help for beginners from your video!
Next time I do a DRZ I'm doing the carb and cam first, or just getting and E and tuning it. I still find the WR250R more fun to ride on the road, but I'm not going to say it's more capable than a DRZ with an extra tooth on the front sprocket.
Seems to me:
If you want spend your time trail buy then WR then.
If you spend more time on the street then buy the DRZ.
You know the video with the husky talking? "yeah?" did you think of it with this dudes responses? "yeah?" yeah, uh huh, yeah, me too
The drz400 is the Glock of dualsports
Great comparison. Lots of pistols I love, but the Glock just works...and works...and works. The same for my DRZ. Before I got one I was big on CRF 450 and WR 450. But those are really for my friend the 45 year old former pro motocrosser and now Enduro racer. I just want to have fun in the dirt and at 73 I can't afford too many crashes anymore. The DRZ just works.
Honda is the best
I dont want a glock i want a cz
@@hurricane8634 I have a Tanfoglio 10mm Witness LCA (a Finn here) and a DRZ400 '09. Won't lose either of them.
@@hurricane8634 hipster lol
Make the DRZ-400 fuel injected, add a sixth gear, and make the engine 500cc.. Keep everything else the same.. In my opinion that would be an awesome dual sport! I still love my DRZ400, but man it would be so cool if they would update it with those improvements! Now I want to go riding in Colorado again! lol
+Trevor Jameson Totally agree.
Thanks this and the video your buddy made sealed the deal for me. Just got Drz400s 2,600 miles. Will mod later after I ride and learn more thanks!!!!
gonna have my DR350R soon, feeling excited because its the DRZ's predicesor :)
That's a cool bike.
I know, if you could do a comparison between that end the drz that would be awesome :D
rode both in attica indiana and the Wr with bar risers felt SO much better off road. just the low end power. to clear obstacles, the dr powers higher rpm
Your personal experience when deciding which bike to ride while looking at them in your garage, was very helpful. I totally get it. I've owned a great 2014 DRZ400S also as well as numerous others (Kawi's, Hondas, Yamahas) from 250's to 650's. At this stage in my life, I want to be playing around again off road and with the more agile, lighter, better center of gravity WR, seems to be a no brainer for me at this point. The 6th gear is a bonus. My stock DRZ struggled on the highway in 5th. Great job and thanks to you both.
I just posted on your channel and then I ended up randomly watching a video of a fella that was 6 foot 3 and 300lbs. It is your buddy.
And he loves the DRZ400. He's more into dirt roads and jeep roads and I'm more into tight woods. The 400s work great for both of us, but when he gets on my 250 he's not that happy.
Happy Thanksgiving!
Thanks for the knowledge, laughs, scenery and hard work so we can all live vicariously through your channel.
Happy to do it. Happy Thanksgiving.
Damn, thanks for the review. Honest, in-depth and unbiased. If you had to ride just one bike for the rest of your life which one would it be?
I'm used to 500 lb sports bikes (GSX-R 1300, Z1000SX), the DR-Z 400 feels like a feather in comparison. Bought one on Saturday. Love it. Dropped it for the first time yesterday, on a steep hill. Managed to pick it up when it was at a very awkward angle. That was the very first time I ever dropped a motorcycle. Probably not the last - but these things are built like tanks from what I gather, so I imagine I'll be fine.
Have not tried the WR250R, but I love me some torque, so I doubt that bike is for me.
Yeah, you did good getting the DRZ.
Love both, only thing the DR has over the WR is displacement
Tough call.Can’t go wrong with either one.
New subscriber. I want to get a dual sport, but not sure which route to go. Your videos are very informative, have answered many questions, and have helped narrow down the choices. I rode many years ago, but consider myself a novice. For my purposes, the crf250l or the wr250r appear to be the choices - leaning more towards the wr250r. Very envious that you live in CO and get to enjoy all that beauty. I'm stuck down here in SE TX and it sucks for DS riding.
Thanks for your vids.
I know what you're dealing with. My best friend lives in Brady and when I go out there we end up here www.hiddenfallsadventurepark.com/ When he comes up here we end up all over the state and don't need haul anything.
Lugging at slow speeds through the woods ? Displacement wins every time
I'm upset. I watched the whole video and I STILL can't decide between the two. Seriously, that was a great ride and overview. Wish you had a Honda CRF450L along for the ride, I'd probably go out and buy one of the three tomorrow.
I have a 2001 DRZ 400 that I have limited seat time on (got it used, just haven't had time to ride it) I've been riding since I was 8 and am now 50... There's been years of not riding dirt bikes, and I'm rusty but I got a chance to ride a 2019 CR450L yesterday back to back with my DRZ. My BiL has the 450 and has a ton of street bike experience, but not much dirt bike experience.
In short: The DRZ400 is WAY WAY easier to ride in technical single track. The Throttle on the 450L is like a light switch at low speeds and the bike has a hard time going slower than about 10 mph without seriously feathering the clutch. The BiL said the DRZ was WAY more fun for him because it wasn't constantly trying to kill him, and the throttle was much easier to modulate. When I was riding the DRZ following him, I was back there just screwing around having fun, not stressing at all. On the CR, it was much more stressful and difficult - and honestly it tired me out pretty fast because it was trying to rip my arms off ALL THE TIME. Also the suspension on the DRZ is much more forgiving, but that could be the setup. The Power on the CR450 is AMAZING, and if you ride fire roads all the time, it would be a blast. Hope this helps.
@@rhein1969 Good stuff. I went with the wr250r and couldn't be happier. Has some off-throttle jerkiness that I'm addressing, and getting the suspension redone, then it's good for a long time.
The correct answer here is obviously both. The key to it to have some ride behind you so you can have the perfect bike in any situation.
Genius!
More like idiot savant. ;-)
DRZ for me! Did you say you change the oil every 3k miles?
Yep. Double check the manual, but that's about what it is.
I’ve owned both in the past, and I liked them each for their own individual reasons. Now if I could, I’d own them both! (sm versions of course!)
I have done most all the power mods(other than engine mods) to my wr250r, and I still wish it had a little better performance. So...Im going to take hopefully 30lbs off....of ma bellay! Then get the suspension professionally redone as a reward! I have never been so excited about loosing weight haha :)
+Ride Slow NC You're doing exactly the right things. Sorry I didn't get back sooner, TH-cam hid your comment from me.
Really wish I lived in an area like that. I would trade my cbr today for a drz. Still trying to justify buying one though.
+zerocells If you moved you could justify buying one. BAM!
Ps, the Drz is a whole new animal with the fmf power bomb.
It's like putting a pumper carb on an Xr .
Great video I myself chose the wr over the drz because of how it felt in the bush on the trails. I feel the wr is much more nimble and not so top heavy.
Completely agree.
warmock74! my thoughts exactly plus crash the drz you would probably leave it there and walk away in disgust!!
Well its a 250 compared to a 400, of course it's more nimble on the trail.
Dude, I wish we had trails where I live.
I do too.
"trails" lol im just lucky to live in washington i guess
Im glad i live in oregon....
The roads (yes these are ohv roads here) there showing in video i would take a street bike down lol
But trails are commen asf
Emvolts ...I’m lucky I live in Victoria, Australia. The Victoria ph high country is great for offroad
Same here, i live in north of germany. Every squaremeter of the country belongs to someone, theres absolute no way to ride off the streets. Thats the resason why i picked a WR X, i absolutely love the mall one. Greetings from germany "double peace".
I'm stuck between the WR250r and the CRF250r. One will be my first bike but it's a hard choice. WR250r is more expensive than the Honda. But it is faster and more high tech. On the other hand the CRF250r is cheaper and looks more modern
+alex parrish We're talking about the CRF250L in the States right? I haven't ridden it, but I've ridden with guys who have ridden both. What they tell me is both are worth the money. CRF is more underpowered for the weight and doesn't feel as premium and isn't as adjustable or upgradable. Still see lots of guys on TH-cam like azdesertdog having a great time on them.
The Honda is tamer than the WRr. The Honda is easier to ride on light trails going slow but the WRr has the advantage when you start digging in more. I recommend paying the extra money and going with the WRr.
Comparing the DRZ to the Jeep.. I'm sold. Hahaha
Thanks. Still think that's the best description I've got for it.
Very helpful guys. THanks for making this vid. Your long explanation with the Subaru and Wrangler metaphor got the point across well and gives me the insight I was looking for. Have fun!
Thanks for watching. Glad we could help.
6 speeds and efi would be cool but I kinda like the fact that they have made the same bike for 18 yrs. Plus for a bike like that carbs are eqwyer to work on
James Hartley I got a efi crf and it has been a real problem for me as a new rider but I think someone with the tools and experience will greatly benefit
Thanks hermit ya hater! I'm an older new rider... I went for ....a 2015 DR200S for my first dual sport! Simple, easy to work on... fun ride to get some learning done. She is a back road machine.... she will hit 65 but the poor thing sounds like she will fly apart... 45-50 she purrs... Off road I'm no speed demon or hill jumper.... but then at my skill level that's a good thing. You and CDS feller make videos that inform me so keep it up. Heck who knows someday soon I may take up videos and catch Ned out on a trail... when I upgrade the bike.
+GRK donttreadonme (E4toO4ride) Catching Ned is tricky so you're going to have to really hop up that bike. Maybe even put some stickers on it.
yeah the kamikaze bunnies down here in New Mexico make me wish I'd went for the 400... live and learn...
I used to ride and race a bit when I was very little but haven’t ridden in years. I’m now 20 years old, 5’10 and about 150lbs living in rural Washington looking for my first bike bike. I’d like something that can get the best of both worlds for street and off-road riding and I’m really liking the WR250! Is this a good choice for my situation vs the drz400? Any other bikes I should check out before I commit to anything?
As proimsed, this was a great review. I am having this debate right now. I have a KLR and love it for certain things but I really want something a little more fun on the trails. My fiavorite line was you saying you can "throw around the wr250r" easier. That is what I am looking for. Thanks again and keep up the great work.
+simplelife4six Yeah, this comment didn't make the edit, but setting aside which has enough power for your weight, if you wish you could have a sport bike or sports car experience on a trail then the WR might be a better pick. If you want an ATV or a Jeep with two wheels then the DRZ might be the right choice.
+simplelife4six You'll definitely notice a big increase in maneuverability with with the WR250R. I have both and will be selling the KLR this spring/summer since all my adventure riding is done on the WR250R now. An added bonus, I can now go on some nice tight single track mountain trails on the WR. No way I can ride those on the KLR (didn't keep me from trying though :) ).
I've owned both of these bikes, currently own a WR250R. I prefer the WR with a few mods. IMO, it handles better than the DRZ and feels much more nimble. The WR is just as fast as the DRZ when both are stock. But I'll tell you what. Put an FCR39 on the DRZ and some hot cams. The bike is a beast, but still WAY to bulky and cumbersome compared to the WR250. Just my opinion...
hey bud im looking to pick up a 250 dual sport for commuting and to start getting into dirt use, i was looking at the new klx250 and the wr250r, any advice?
up here in canada, after tax and all the wr250r is about 2500$ more than the klx.
is it really worth that much more now that the klx has been updated?
For this kind of trail, even a DT50 is enough. Probably a roadster could do it as well.
until it rain............
I need to get mine running. DR350 :) 6 speed, aircooled 350. Big bore kits for that 250 so exist I believe, someone in your circle has done a KLX351 I know
+Moto Rad Yeah the trick is getting something that's better and just as easy to own. I fear that if I get something older or get my hands into a motor then I'll be spending more time wrenching than I do now. Still DR350 would be a fun project bike.
Hermit DaVlog Oh it will be a blast. I like tinkering though. Eventually I want to find a CR500 and street convert it. I have seen a dyno video where they nearly get 100hp out of it. That would be a fun supermoto.
+Moto Rad I picked up a 1998 DR350SE a couple months back. Fun little bike and appreciate the 6 speed gearbox. Need to tighten up the rear shock as it's too plush but still functional and a tame rig for newer riders.
As per me its incorrect to compare those 2 bikes. Suzuki is the only one that still did not make its modern 250 dual sport while other 3 Japanese brands did it. I think we can compare only Yamaha WR250R vs Kawasaki KLX250S vs Honda CRF250L. DRZ is not in this line - she is 400 cc, regular fork, carburator, 5 gears.
Thanks for the help guys. I've been trying to decide which to get and now I've decided on the DRZ (probably ;) )
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Glad we could help!
James, did you get one? Which? :)
DE Nichols I ended up with a KLX400 ( same as a DRZ 400s). Only been on it a few times, but so far I LOVE it!!
James Starke Sweet! Ah. The joy. I was a raving lunatic who only lived for riding when I first started. Now it's a balanced part of my life. Lol
I ride more frequently but less on huge trips.
I'm between the wr and an Fz-07. It would be a no brainer if I didn't live in Houston where there aren't many opportunities to off road.
+jacob edwards One of my best friends lives in Dallas and when his DRZ got stolen he bought a FZ-07. I think he's almost glad the DRZ got stolen. If I was going to get a street bike I'd get an FZ-07 and program it to have about half the horse power. Those things are awesomely insane.
A shock upgrade for your Wr250r is a video must. You tell it like it is and it has been a lot of fun riding with you guys on TH-cam. Thanks.
Great review and I'd have to say you were dead on as far as my experience has been. a 450 version dual sport would be absolute king i think. I'm curious what both of you would think of a DR650, it's like a Kodiak ATV with two wheels in the dirt and lower center of gravity then a KLR and people take those all over Australia and the world.
I'd like to try one, but I favor the more nimble bikes usually.
Yeah they are about as nimble as a warthog in a Ballerina outfit, they are I think much easier to pick up and balance then a KLR. If you dont do long distance or a lot of high speed pavement the DRZ and WR make way better companions
Got both bikes, didn't get to commute more than about ten miles to the logging roads (2 miles closet) first impression on wr on blacktop was why does it have 6th gear? To alert every cop in the county?
I'll bet there's three feet of snow on that trail now. Good info. Thanks
You had a lot of great info in this video. I doubt you will see this comment but thank you for the video.
Thanks for watching. I made this one just because I wish I had something like this when I was trying to figure out which one to get.
Thanks for this review, I have watched this video twice. I am looking to add a dual-sport to the garage, the DRZ and WR are tops on my list.
Thanks for taking us along for the ride ! We are looking pretty close at a 2002 suzuki drz400 now and you answered my question at 9:16 . That DRZ sounds like the perfect enduro bike .👍
I'm used to the power of a Suzuki RM 250 and guessing the drz 400 is about the same with some extra low end torque ?
suspension is another topic, why is the drz running forks from the 80's? the wr/ktm/husky are the only bikes running inverted forks on dual sports. I dont have anything against suzuki, if the drz400 had fuel injection, newer forks and a 6 speed I would look into one.
+Joseph Britz Yeah, but while that old design doesn't look very sexy, I have to say I think it rides better than the WR250R forks. One of the few areas where it might top it.
Ordered a white drz 2019 last night, be here in 10 days. Nice video.
@t nonyabusiness I put 2000 miles on it. Tons of fun. Needs a 6th gear. Needs a lower 1st 2nd, gear. Seat Concepts with a Mad dog cover on top is a must. If you are tall you will need higher handlebars.
I Bought a 2020 DR200s for my daughter, now I have a riding buddy.
That was a REALLY good video! At 43, I'm leaning towards the 400 or even a DR 650 for the low end torque. I think the 650 might be my pick (after the lame suspension is sorted).
Dr400 good all around bike 650 shity suspension and heavier
This video has 999 thumbs up and it's driving my OCD insane that I can't be #1000 because I liked it in 2015.
As someone that has a dr650sm geared 15/48 thinking about getting a brand new wr250r to buy sm wheels for, I really appreciate this video. I'm torn if I should keep the 650 tractor after getting the Yami. I'm thinking of keeping the 650 to turn into a adv bike. Great video man.
+MotardSteve Just remember, every dude needs the exact same number of motorcycles - "one more".
+Hermit DaVlog Ha true that. Plan to buy a v4 muscle bike this year too.
Hmmm. So, I just learned today then, that motorcycles are just like guns...just 1 more...:)
Peg the wr? Doesn't wind to like 12,000 rpm?
which one has more torque for wheelies and powerslides? drz or wr ?
I've been watching so many videos about the DRZ and I'm just really excited about getting one and then I watch this video about the Yamaha and now I'm confused again so great video but thanks a lot now you got me confused LOL
I also went from a WRX to a Jeep! lol good review!
Great minds...
It’s really a hard decision usually you pick a bike you buy it and you don’t know the difference so you love it and you ride it if there’s nothing to compare it to you can’t be disappointed
I don' t understand why you would want to own these two bikes together. If you have the resources to own multiple bikes, I wouldn't choose bikes that are this similar. Between the WR250 and the DRZ400 I'd say that when you can only have one bike, the DRZ would be much better. If you can have another one I;d take the lighter and more offroad centered WR250 and a larger all-road like the transalp, pegaso or f650 for longer adventures and maybe commuting.
I think you're missing the point. I have bunch of bikes but I'm still so interested to have 1 do it all machine. These videos are popular for that exact reason
It's great to have some kind of review for a product, whatever that may be. If this were a review for a professional camera, and the viewer had no photography experience, only so much of the review would be understood. For an experienced motorcyclist checking out a bike review, I think the person producing the bike review would be heavily judge on how experienced they are to review a bike. The question: Is this a credible product review? Does this person know what they are talking about? Are we even qualified to make such a judgement? As a professional driver, I can tell immediately if someone is as skilled as they say they are about driving, and that comes from experience working around inexperienced unskilled "self proclaimed" great drivers. Anyway, thanks for the review!
Hmmm. This is interesting. I'm not sure I entirely agree with your point, and by your criteria I have to admit this may not be the most credible review as I'm not that experienced of a rider. That being said I've read several reviews of cars by professional driver Randy Pobst and while they're valuable they don't help me decide what car to buy as much a review by say Johnny Lieberman nor are they as entertaining as a review by Jeremy Clarkson who is the most read reviewer in the world despite not being a professional driver. When I started out looking for my first motorcycle (WR250R) all the reviews were by professional riders with racing backgrounds who rode the bike for one day and felt the WR250R just wasn't that serious of a bike. I'm guessing something north of 90% of the buyers of that bike have never raced and have no intention to. What I really wanted to know is with my small amount of experience how was I going to feel about the purchase a few years in. Then when I was looking for a DRZ what I really wanted to know was after a year or so how was I going to feel about it compared to the WR250R. There was lots of information put out by professionals who rode the bike for a day, but that wasn't the perspective I was looking for, so once I had access to that perspective I put it out there for the next guy. Thanks for watching and your detailed input.
+Hermit DaVlog. That makes sense. I see how perspectives can differ from person to person. I think this review is great. I've only been on a motorcycle once for about one city block. So, I only have a limited grasp on the differences of these two bikes. But it does help me. I'm the type that will never know until I try it. Thanks for the response. I didn't mean to come across negatively. I wanted to contrast differences between viewers is all.
I don’t understand why you’re talking about sprocket gearing so much given you can change it so easily. Gear cluster ratios are where the action is...the ACT wide ratio gears transform the DRZ400 more than any other mod...assuming you can split cases yourself, spending $700 on wide ratio gears will yield better results than cams, big bore, stroker...and probably after market exhaust too.
there's a pretty good modification overview on the wr250r on Motorcycle Adventure Dirtbike TV. he talks about all the things that get modified on the WRS, for a off roading trail riding company.
Thanks, I'll check it out.
Weight of the rider won't effect pogoing nearly as much as rebound and compression.
+bon vivant True, but the problem is the rebound valve isn't sufficient for any weight rider.
The rear suspension "pogo sticks" probably because you don't have your sag set properly. It's fully adjustable, so adjust it. The lack of power does suck though. I'd love to have a 350 or 450 WR*50R, same reliable setup as the 250 but with a 350 or 450.
Sag has been set. The WR250R is notorious for having a woefully underpowered rebound knob. Even when it's turned all the way up it's not enough unless you weigh 300 lbs. People have built entire businesses from rebuilding that shock with better valves.
No kidding. What year WR? I have the 2014 and haven't noticed any issues with it. Good to know.
I'm riding a 2012, but I don't believe they've changed anything but colors and the stator on that bike since 08. Here's a good video about re-valving the rebound th-cam.com/video/k8VomeL0FZo/w-d-xo.html
Here's what can happen th-cam.com/video/AQcQBQIEbdM/w-d-xo.htmlm6s
Even with a big bore and cams the drz is still kind of a heavy dog with a stock carb that’s been worked over. I could still throw it around on stock gearing and power wheelies through every gear are more than possible. A very fun and predictable bike even when modded. A very beginner friendly bike.
great video. would you recommend, to a new WR owner, spending the money to upgrade the engine for more horsepower and adding a bigger fuel tank? i have seen those mods done on the Motorcycle Adventure Dirtbike TV channel.
+879doogie No. I think most performance mods for dual sports (especially the WR250R) are like putting lipstick on a pig. That goes double for bolt ons. Usually it's cheaper in the long run to just to buy a more powerful bike assuming you can sell the 250R for what close (with in $1K) of the price of the new bike. I haven't ridden a WR250R with an Athena kit (290) yet, but if someone was really in love with the handling of the 250R so much so that a DRZ400 wouldn't work for them, and they just needed a little grunt to make it perfect, then maybe I could see dropping $800 on that kit. Might even do it myself, but only because I think it would be fun to do the work myself and my expectations would be realistic. Make sure you've geared that bike down before doing anything as I think that's really the best bang for the buck.
thanks for the advice
Pipe and fuel controller. Should be able to get them for 500ish. Greatly improves throttle response and nets a not too shabby 15% hp gain.
Don’t listen to people that don’t own the mods telling you they are a waste. Because these are the same people that mod the shit outta DRZ and 690s after claiming they’re good to go from the factory 🤣
Great review Hermit. Ive recently ditched my old 99 KLX 250, and am looking for my weekend warrior dual sport, and am stuck with so many options. Im not a great rider, so think i should pass on the KTM 450, Husqvarna 449, Honda CRF450 and WR450F. The DRZ looks so heavy but am worried that 250cc wont get me along the road very well with some camping gear on it.
I'd probably favor the DRZ is your going to load it up.
Thanks for the advice Herm.
I like your video. How are you recording your audio and buddy's audio? Would be cool to start doing group moto vlogs for when my group is on the trails. I can't decide if I want a klx300 like my friends, or drz400, or xr650l. But I need something better than my Chinese shark 250.
I'm looking for a good dual sport to wheelie. What is better for wheeling drz400S or wr250r? Which one is easier to get the front wheel off the ground and keeping it up?
I would never own anything less then a 400 ccs motorcycle . Drz 400 all the way ... Even it is underpowered for my taste, but its still a great bike . If only they made a Drz 450 or 500 with fuel injection and 6 gears it would be the perfect duel sport bike .
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Dear Hermit..whats yr comment on Wr250R vs Wr250f both efi 2015 model above..in terms of performance ..maintenance..service intervals..i hv upgraded gytr fmf 4.1 factory/titanium..but i actualy didnt like the stock fuel tank..also i almost buying Drz400e but carb/smaller tank/almost same power as Wr250f..i choose Wr250f 2015 instead..i also owned Xr650l 2 unit.
Wich bike would better climb big uphills? Would the wrr be handicapped by its lack of power despite its weight?
Thank you. I ride off-road only and I'm hesitating between those two.
had a WR250 and not good for high hill climb, get a 450 :)
Oh hey. Looked to make sure but didnt see you on the Colorado + Front range Motovlogger group on facebook but I did see CDS on there. Pretty awesome how youtube made you pop at the top of my suggestions.
Sweet review. I prefer Yamaha and have been looking at the WR for a while. I can not bring myself to ever get a Suzuki. I wonder how these bikes are at sea level and not at 6000+ feet.
+The Big Borkowski I've hauled the WR down to 500ft to ride. Altitude does more for it than any other mod I've done except for gears. It's still not as strong as a WR250F, but I'd say plenty of bike for a beginner or intermediate.
I'm stuck between the ttr250 and the DRZ400e.
Good video, that road looks fun! what state is this? I ride a drz400s, thinking about buying WR... enjoyed the review, thanks!!
UPDATE: I have since bought a WR..