HoYo is a company that looked at all the money gacha games could make with such little effort and said..."okay but what if we took all that money and used it to actually put in effort?" (yes there are a handful of other very high quality gacha games out there, it's not just HoYo)
Call me a shill or fanboy, idc. But for me Hoyo has set the bar for the quality (music, animation, and gameplay) of mobile games and gacha games ever since they released honkai impact 3rd, then going into genshin impact.
@@nevanV12yeah while their have been a few mobile action games around the time of hi3. None of them had the same amount of quality and effort. PGR was probably the first one i've noticed to compete with hi3 in terms of quality. Now a days though their is plenty of good action gachas.
I’m so glad an actual person i know is playing this game, it’s too bad i lost my 50/50 for ellen and i wont be able to get her anymore without going into debt!
watching this stream has made me feel so reassured. There's so much negativity surrounding hoyo games. All I hear from the community is complaints. But like, it's free. The fact that you get so much for free is insane, and i never understood how people don't appreciate that. Hearing Thor talk about star rail being free, quality content just makes me happy. People don't place a lot of emphasis on polish, but when you get something this good for absolutely nothing? There's no way I can be disappointed. Like 90% of the games I've actually bought haven't delivered as much as these games.
Absolutely, it's so nice to hear someone to express the sentiment that gacha is objectively bad, but at the same time, who cares just play the free parts of the game. Content creators either have this strangely overblown vitriol for anything gacha, or will straight up tell you they'll turn a blind eye to the gacha because the game is so good.
It's free, yes. But it betrayed player expectations and gave a completely different experience than what was advertised. It was advertised as a complex and in depth combat game, while it was actually just a story heavy game with simple combat that is barely 10% of the actual time spent playing.
@@kuratse205 Do you have any idea how insane you sound walking into a conversation of people expressing their enjoyment on a VOD also expressing positive things and telling them "ackshually it betrayed player expectations"? Your opinion is just as valid as anyone else's but we weren't even talking about player expectations or advertising, you had to turn the conversation into a completely different direction to push your agenda.
Thor's commentary about the currency is important (how a typical gacha might start you off with just not enough to do a 10 pull and make you pay to get enough). BUT, even if that were the case here, Mihoyo would still technically be better than most gachas by technically having three levels of currency. The first level (as far as character/item pulls are concerned) are the ones that you directly spend to do the pulls. The game does hand out some of them here and there - most often through login bonuses and passes, so they are obtainable on their own. There's generally two of them - one for the standard, permanent banner (Acquaint Fate in Genshin, Star Rail Pass in Star Rail, Master Tape in Z3) and one for the event banners (Intertwined Fate in Genshin, Star Rail Special Pass in Star Rail, and Encrypted Master Tape in Z3). The second level is a currency you spend to get more of your pull currency, at a rate of 160:1. This currency is earned in game very frequently, mainly through achievements, but also through first-time runs of content and character trials. It's generally pretty easy to keep a steady supply of this currency going. For Genshin, it's Primogems; for Star Rail, it's Stellar Jade; for Z3, it's Polychrome. If you don't have enough of the secondary currency to convert into your pull tickets, that's where the actual money comes in with a currency you can pay real money to get, which is pretty consistent in pricing (0.99 USD for 60 of this currency at the smallest bundle, with bigger purchases throwing in larger amounts of bonus currency, as is typical of paid currencies in video games). These exchange for the second-level currency at a 1:1 ratio, and this is its sole purpose, so you can avoid these currencies entirely if you wish, but paying will allow you to pump out more pulls. For Genshin, it's Genesis Crystals; for Star Rail, it's Oneiric Shards; for Z3, it's Monochrome.
Hey Thor, as another old guy who misses his old mouse with a ball, the closest I've found is Redragon M711 Cobra Gaming Mouse it has a button or two extra but It's fairly weighty, though not perfect...
@@Sam_Hue yes the future isnt death by ai killing us conventualy but with p0rn making everyone addicted and by doing so ruiing our inteligence and sosial skills so no one will reproduce and all humans die out without caring
4:01:30 "Hackers is a perfect movie." One million times yes. Where most people go wrong though is by treating it as anything but an interactive experience. You can't just sit and passively watch it. One of these years, there'll be another scheduled showing of it at DEF CON, and I absolutely intend to get some friends together to Rocky Horror it again and make the nerds mad. Again.
Or just don’t spend money when you don’t want to spend money? Predatory gambling mechanics=\= physically reaching into your wallet and forcing you to spend money
Honestly the thing I don't like mihoyo games isn't the core Gacha for characters and weapons, cause despite everything they do a good job about making 4 stars valid characters for most of the content. No it's the random elements that needlessly take your time away, fucking gear grinding. You have to take your time and fuel to roll a redo the same challenge, that's effectively a slot machine, to get gear randomly, with random stats. Except MOST of those stats are hidden until you fully upgrade the gear, so you have to use like 3-5 times the upgrade materials to get a find a decent full set. And everything cost fuel, exp for characters, ascension materials for characters, exp and ascension materials for weapon, rolling for gear and their exp. And you can buy fuel, but honestly the reason is so obtuse isn't even cause they want people to buy fuel, it's cause they want to pad out the play time for player retention. And people say Warframe is a grind. At least in Warframe high level players actually get to use their existing resources on new frames. Getting a new character in a Mihoyo game means a bunch of cores to complete before they can compete in your current level content.
@@UltravioletNomad its funny cause even early weapons in Warframe are moddable to the point of being endgame beasts, given how easily customizable everything is
but different from Warframe it's a single-player game your not actually competing with anyone and you would have to go out of your way to do so, and on top of that 99% of the content is extremely easy, these games are only as hard as you want them to be.
i dunno man, Warframe grind destroyed my soul, and that was just for a rare mod that didn't do much in the end. So when you talk about grinding that is just padding out the play time, then warframe is absolutely, massively guilty of this. Or at least, we have a very different perspective on this.
@@jackengels5077 If were talking Mastery, focus, and Tau Shards then yeah, but me and a friend busted out the whole star chart and mid tier builds on fresh files in like a week or two (like 4-5 hour sessions, not even every night) When a new Prime drops most groups can pull all the pieces in under 3 play session. But from my core argument, this is about mods vs gear, and how fast a player can get a fresh character up to fighting fit. My point is you only need to farm a mod once, and upgrade it once. I does the same thing on every frame, and can be equipped on every frame, at the same time. The farther you are in game, your mastery level gives a fresh frame more mod points to start with, and you're likely busting out content that gives xp WAY faster than what a new player would. So the point of my thesis is that Warframe has long term goals that once fulfilled rewards the player with permanent progress that makes farming and building new characters easier. Every character in a Mihoyo game feels like I have to do a complete new set of busy work that doesn't go any faster despite my overall time investment into the game. Like something I neglected to mention with Genshin in particular, character ascension materials that are new time limited drops found on the overworld that you have to collect as opposed to warframe, whose new resources are ALWAYS tied to killing enemies in whatever new mission type they've dropped (and likely the source of the blueprint parts anyway) And even just comparing Mastery to Adventure/Trailblaze ranks. More mastery in Warframe means quicker building of a new frame. More Rank in a Mihoyo game means EVERY enemy in every map now jumps another 10 levels and I now have to get the XP and Ascension materials to raise my hopefully competent team another 10 levels (and probably replace my 4 star gear with 5 star, and level up all their talents). Its almost like a punishment to unlock whatever new, higher tier game modes they've just dropped. And sure a higher world rank means more material drops from enemies, but ever character ascension takes EXPONENTIALLY more materials. (like a blue material is worth 3 green of the same type, which is worth 3 of the base level. and higher WL means now that mission gives you 1 (2 if you're lucky) greens and 3 blues instead of just 4 blues) And I'm saying this as an avid player of now three of Mihoyo's games, This is me nitpicking perfectly fine F2P games, and the assertion that you don't need that god tier gear roll is accurate... but I DO need to spend time and resources getting this stuff when I just want to pull for a new character and then... use them in the content they dropped with, and you pull for cool 5 stars to see them do cool shit, but then the pre-requisite to getting YOUR version of Archeron to actually do that cool shit is "Oh, you need decent crit gear, and this weapon that specifically buffs their ult, and to always pair her with another fully built debuff character." Warframe on the other had is "Load that new frame with the same power strength you've always had, pair it with whatever weapon with viral and faction mods, and watch the sparks fly" What mod were you grinding anyway?
He mentioned this at some point that he wanted to play it more but the game was too vast and at the time he didn't have time to explore and really get into it.
Looks fun but of course its not on xbox. Just like genshin which i would love to try as well. And no I'm not an Xbox fan I just don't have the money to spend on a pc
Legitamately think that billy and anby are role reversal for typical Autism and ADHD archetypes. robots are typically coded autistic by association, so having them be a human and robot while having each others expected traits actually makes for some pretty good subversion while giving a short demonstration of how advanced AI can get in this world. Edit: NO WAY THOR GETS THE S ON THE LITERAL FIRST 10 PULL
After 3rd impact and star rail feeling like slightly more sophisticated reskins of Raid and Genshin feeling shallow beyond the graphics as soon as you got a hang of the combat system, I'm curious if this is better. The ads I've seen so far certainly didn't give the best impression so far tho
Played for days. I hate this game with a passion now. Why? Because it can be good, and its NOT. Its like having crappy internet. You take so long to get to where you want to be, and you keep wishing it will get there, and when it does, you need to wait for more. You cant stop because you hope that it gets better. I wish we can go to the combat aspect faster. WAY FASTER.
is it because of the TV? if it is, that would invalidate your opinion. it's not a bad game, you just don't like the gameplay. and that's okay. that just means the game is not for you. I don't like open-world RPG games like Genshin, WuWa, Nier, etc. because run around doing telephone game for side quest is too much for me, Does that mean that a bad design? I don't think so. some love it, I would feel closed-minded if I said that a bad design. that goes the same for the TVs gameplay. it's just classic dungeon crawling gameplay, like the classic Zelda, Dragon Quest, and Digimon World 2 but the map is CRT's TV. I found that really unique. and I appreciate the art direction they took for the game. maybe you can try to enjoy the TV part, that now you can see it as dungeon crawling session. later on there will be Rally mission that more focussed on Combat if you are looking for that. cheers👍
I love how he pauses so the ads can pass, no one is missing out.
always does and it's awesome!
Thor is one hell of a guy. Truly kick ass
Except the people on TH-cam. He pauses it for Twitch ads.
Looks like ZZZ game starts at 7:03:00
Tnx lol
HoYo is a company that looked at all the money gacha games could make with such little effort and said..."okay but what if we took all that money and used it to actually put in effort?" (yes there are a handful of other very high quality gacha games out there, it's not just HoYo)
Call me a shill or fanboy, idc. But for me Hoyo has set the bar for the quality (music, animation, and gameplay) of mobile games and gacha games ever since they released honkai impact 3rd, then going into genshin impact.
@@nevanV12yeah while their have been a few mobile action games around the time of hi3. None of them had the same amount of quality and effort. PGR was probably the first one i've noticed to compete with hi3 in terms of quality. Now a days though their is plenty of good action gachas.
Some ppl were saying wish TH-cam Ad were cool as ZZZ ads lol I agree
I’m so glad an actual person i know is playing this game, it’s too bad i lost my 50/50 for ellen and i wont be able to get her anymore without going into debt!
May you get her without too much debt!
W stream as always. Love this game and love to see you playing it.
ZZZ has been super fun so far, especially the satisfying, crunchy parries. I love it on unlimited FPS.
watching this stream has made me feel so reassured. There's so much negativity surrounding hoyo games. All I hear from the community is complaints. But like, it's free. The fact that you get so much for free is insane, and i never understood how people don't appreciate that. Hearing Thor talk about star rail being free, quality content just makes me happy. People don't place a lot of emphasis on polish, but when you get something this good for absolutely nothing? There's no way I can be disappointed. Like 90% of the games I've actually bought haven't delivered as much as these games.
Absolutely, it's so nice to hear someone to express the sentiment that gacha is objectively bad, but at the same time, who cares just play the free parts of the game. Content creators either have this strangely overblown vitriol for anything gacha, or will straight up tell you they'll turn a blind eye to the gacha because the game is so good.
It's free, yes. But it betrayed player expectations and gave a completely different experience than what was advertised. It was advertised as a complex and in depth combat game, while it was actually just a story heavy game with simple combat that is barely 10% of the actual time spent playing.
@@kuratse205 Do you have any idea how insane you sound walking into a conversation of people expressing their enjoyment on a VOD also expressing positive things and telling them "ackshually it betrayed player expectations"?
Your opinion is just as valid as anyone else's but we weren't even talking about player expectations or advertising, you had to turn the conversation into a completely different direction to push your agenda.
I 100% agree dark and darker feels slow, also hate that with the bow i have to pump 3-5 arrows into a goblin to drop it
Thor's commentary about the currency is important (how a typical gacha might start you off with just not enough to do a 10 pull and make you pay to get enough). BUT, even if that were the case here, Mihoyo would still technically be better than most gachas by technically having three levels of currency.
The first level (as far as character/item pulls are concerned) are the ones that you directly spend to do the pulls. The game does hand out some of them here and there - most often through login bonuses and passes, so they are obtainable on their own. There's generally two of them - one for the standard, permanent banner (Acquaint Fate in Genshin, Star Rail Pass in Star Rail, Master Tape in Z3) and one for the event banners (Intertwined Fate in Genshin, Star Rail Special Pass in Star Rail, and Encrypted Master Tape in Z3).
The second level is a currency you spend to get more of your pull currency, at a rate of 160:1. This currency is earned in game very frequently, mainly through achievements, but also through first-time runs of content and character trials. It's generally pretty easy to keep a steady supply of this currency going. For Genshin, it's Primogems; for Star Rail, it's Stellar Jade; for Z3, it's Polychrome.
If you don't have enough of the secondary currency to convert into your pull tickets, that's where the actual money comes in with a currency you can pay real money to get, which is pretty consistent in pricing (0.99 USD for 60 of this currency at the smallest bundle, with bigger purchases throwing in larger amounts of bonus currency, as is typical of paid currencies in video games). These exchange for the second-level currency at a 1:1 ratio, and this is its sole purpose, so you can avoid these currencies entirely if you wish, but paying will allow you to pump out more pulls. For Genshin, it's Genesis Crystals; for Star Rail, it's Oneiric Shards; for Z3, it's Monochrome.
Hey Thor, as another old guy who misses his old mouse with a ball, the closest I've found is Redragon M711 Cobra Gaming Mouse it has a button or two extra but It's fairly weighty, though not perfect...
Look at the bots man. Unsafe shitty internet
yea its a shame
When AI is evolving, this is the consequence.
There are bound to be stoned folks that are like this.
@@Sam_Hue yes the future isnt death by ai killing us conventualy but with p0rn making everyone addicted and by doing so ruiing our inteligence and sosial skills so no one will reproduce and all humans die out without caring
I thought this was a Q&A, that's why I added it to my watch later? :P
6:50:48 Thor talks about coding and ADHD
I was sleepy, so I couldn't chat, but I wanted to see you’re thoughts on a game called Kenshi
Getting an S rank not only on the first ten pull but THE FIRST PULL is absolutely insane
The animations look so great in this game!
2:36 - we are back
7:56 - he exists
Logitech G403 is the wired version of the G603/G703. Comes with an extra weight to get it to 98g.
4:01:30 "Hackers is a perfect movie." One million times yes. Where most people go wrong though is by treating it as anything but an interactive experience. You can't just sit and passively watch it.
One of these years, there'll be another scheduled showing of it at DEF CON, and I absolutely intend to get some friends together to Rocky Horror it again and make the nerds mad. Again.
1:42:30 sent me rolling 🤣 I hope this bit gets turned into a short
"Who gave this bear a pillar?" 8:57:03
An actual mihoyo game that i enjoy. If it wasnt for the predatory gambling mechanics, of course.
Waiting until mihoyo releases a single player 60$ game
@@yeetuspatronus1050 given how fanboys spend that amount (minimum) to have the chance of getting a single character, I wouldn't set my hopes high.
Or just don’t spend money when you don’t want to spend money?
Predatory gambling mechanics=\= physically reaching into your wallet and forcing you to spend money
@@Djhinn I don't, but I think you're missing the point of what gambling is and what it does to people.
@@ok_listen Just because some people have an unhealthy relationship with gambling doesn’t mean you can’t enjoy a game with gambling mechanics.
Freeware goes crazy in 2024
What does this mean (please don’t tell me this means what I think it means)
Honestly the thing I don't like mihoyo games isn't the core Gacha for characters and weapons, cause despite everything they do a good job about making 4 stars valid characters for most of the content.
No it's the random elements that needlessly take your time away, fucking gear grinding. You have to take your time and fuel to roll a redo the same challenge, that's effectively a slot machine, to get gear randomly, with random stats. Except MOST of those stats are hidden until you fully upgrade the gear, so you have to use like 3-5 times the upgrade materials to get a find a decent full set.
And everything cost fuel, exp for characters, ascension materials for characters, exp and ascension materials for weapon, rolling for gear and their exp. And you can buy fuel, but honestly the reason is so obtuse isn't even cause they want people to buy fuel, it's cause they want to pad out the play time for player retention. And people say Warframe is a grind. At least in Warframe high level players actually get to use their existing resources on new frames. Getting a new character in a Mihoyo game means a bunch of cores to complete before they can compete in your current level content.
@@UltravioletNomad its funny cause even early weapons in Warframe are moddable to the point of being endgame beasts, given how easily customizable everything is
but different from Warframe it's a single-player game your not actually competing with anyone and you would have to go out of your way to do so, and on top of that 99% of the content is extremely easy, these games are only as hard as you want them to be.
i dunno man, Warframe grind destroyed my soul, and that was just for a rare mod that didn't do much in the end. So when you talk about grinding that is just padding out the play time, then warframe is absolutely, massively guilty of this. Or at least, we have a very different perspective on this.
Having perfect stats right off the bat would be extremely boring. I just don't get it.
@@jackengels5077 If were talking Mastery, focus, and Tau Shards then yeah, but me and a friend busted out the whole star chart and mid tier builds on fresh files in like a week or two (like 4-5 hour sessions, not even every night) When a new Prime drops most groups can pull all the pieces in under 3 play session.
But from my core argument, this is about mods vs gear, and how fast a player can get a fresh character up to fighting fit.
My point is you only need to farm a mod once, and upgrade it once. I does the same thing on every frame, and can be equipped on every frame, at the same time. The farther you are in game, your mastery level gives a fresh frame more mod points to start with, and you're likely busting out content that gives xp WAY faster than what a new player would. So the point of my thesis is that Warframe has long term goals that once fulfilled rewards the player with permanent progress that makes farming and building new characters easier. Every character in a Mihoyo game feels like I have to do a complete new set of busy work that doesn't go any faster despite my overall time investment into the game. Like something I neglected to mention with Genshin in particular, character ascension materials that are new time limited drops found on the overworld that you have to collect as opposed to warframe, whose new resources are ALWAYS tied to killing enemies in whatever new mission type they've dropped (and likely the source of the blueprint parts anyway)
And even just comparing Mastery to Adventure/Trailblaze ranks. More mastery in Warframe means quicker building of a new frame. More Rank in a Mihoyo game means EVERY enemy in every map now jumps another 10 levels and I now have to get the XP and Ascension materials to raise my hopefully competent team another 10 levels (and probably replace my 4 star gear with 5 star, and level up all their talents). Its almost like a punishment to unlock whatever new, higher tier game modes they've just dropped. And sure a higher world rank means more material drops from enemies, but ever character ascension takes EXPONENTIALLY more materials. (like a blue material is worth 3 green of the same type, which is worth 3 of the base level. and higher WL means now that mission gives you 1 (2 if you're lucky) greens and 3 blues instead of just 4 blues)
And I'm saying this as an avid player of now three of Mihoyo's games, This is me nitpicking perfectly fine F2P games, and the assertion that you don't need that god tier gear roll is accurate... but I DO need to spend time and resources getting this stuff when I just want to pull for a new character and then... use them in the content they dropped with, and you pull for cool 5 stars to see them do cool shit, but then the pre-requisite to getting YOUR version of Archeron to actually do that cool shit is "Oh, you need decent crit gear, and this weapon that specifically buffs their ult, and to always pair her with another fully built debuff character." Warframe on the other had is "Load that new frame with the same power strength you've always had, pair it with whatever weapon with viral and faction mods, and watch the sparks fly"
What mod were you grinding anyway?
You are the last person i'd expect to be playing this game lmao
It's no use prevaricating about the bush!
has Thor ever played Genshin? I feel he would like the gameplay in that
He mentioned this at some point that he wanted to play it more but the game was too vast and at the time he didn't have time to explore and really get into it.
Yeah I think he would like it.
Would love to see him play this some more!
All I want is for this to be on console it would go so hard 🙏
This is on playstation
Looks fun but of course its not on xbox. Just like genshin which i would love to try as well. And no I'm not an Xbox fan I just don't have the money to spend on a pc
U can play on phone with xbox controller
@@mast3rbang yeah I tried that with genshin awhile back but my screen is cracked, and my battery overheats way to quick with bigger games.
What about mobile?
Phone can't handle big games like that. It will overheat just waiting for the resources to download after downloading the app.
You can thank that stupid duck from Microsoft that eject Hoyo. But they said they are open for Xbox port this time.
Legitamately think that billy and anby are role reversal for typical Autism and ADHD archetypes. robots are typically coded autistic by association, so having them be a human and robot while having each others expected traits actually makes for some pretty good subversion while giving a short demonstration of how advanced AI can get in this world.
Edit: NO WAY THOR GETS THE S ON THE LITERAL FIRST 10 PULL
Streamer luck is 100% real.
If only the game wasn't 70% TV mini game, 10% food cutscene, and 20% gameplay
...It takes you that long to move through the funny TV dungeons?
@@mythosinfinite6736 its minigame, 2 minutes of game, minigame 2 minutes of game.
@@chronodis That is just the beginning when they are explaining everything, plus the tv zones have an advance forward button
After 3rd impact and star rail feeling like slightly more sophisticated reskins of Raid and Genshin feeling shallow beyond the graphics as soon as you got a hang of the combat system, I'm curious if this is better.
The ads I've seen so far certainly didn't give the best impression so far tho
You da man bro 😂❤
please try wuthering wavesss your gonna love it if u like this
Played for days. I hate this game with a passion now. Why? Because it can be good, and its NOT. Its like having crappy internet. You take so long to get to where you want to be, and you keep wishing it will get there, and when it does, you need to wait for more. You cant stop because you hope that it gets better. I wish we can go to the combat aspect faster. WAY FASTER.
is it because of the TV? if it is, that would invalidate your opinion. it's not a bad game, you just don't like the gameplay. and that's okay. that just means the game is not for you.
I don't like open-world RPG games like Genshin, WuWa, Nier, etc. because run around doing telephone game for side quest is too much for me, Does that mean that a bad design? I don't think so. some love it, I would feel closed-minded if I said that a bad design.
that goes the same for the TVs gameplay. it's just classic dungeon crawling gameplay, like the classic Zelda, Dragon Quest, and Digimon World 2 but the map is CRT's TV. I found that really unique. and I appreciate the art direction they took for the game.
maybe you can try to enjoy the TV part, that now you can see it as dungeon crawling session. later on there will be Rally mission that more focussed on Combat if you are looking for that. cheers👍