Thank you to those who have provided feedback on the background music. Use of elements such as background music is intentional in certain places, for example, during parts an average listener may find monotonous and will stop watching. (TH-cam analytics provides us meaningful drop off data on viewers.) Our research shows that background music and other elements keep these viewers engaged. We understand those having scientific prowess who come strictly for the technical content may prefer to not have music or may find it distracting, but we made an intentional decision to prioritize the retention of those viewers who may drop off and stop watching over the preference of those who come for the technical content and will stay and watch regardless. As to the music volume, we will look into that and can only potentially address that in Episode 3 and beyond. (Episode 2 and prior has already been prepped for TH-cam.) Thanks again for your feedback. Also, understand this series was produced for Dr. Tour pro bono, and the producer hasn't slept in weeks in order to roll out these videos. Your kind words will go a long way!
You sir , are such a classy Christian. I appreciate you and your time. Thank you for all you do. You truly are doing the Lords work. We are so blessed to have you as a brethren! Love you.
I remember going through this stuff at the start of my health science degree and just being boggled by how big the gap between organic chemistry and biology/bio chemistry was. I remember the reading the textbooks definition of a cell as the smallest unit of life. So technically any single part of a cell is not alive on it’s own but combined it is considered alive. As soon as I read that I knew we have literally no idea what life is. I’ve spent the rest of my life thinking about it and it still blows my mind
"Life" is a word most people use without asking deeper questions. It's probably because it is so visibly in contrast to death for large organisms. Is a virus alive? Is that a useful question in biology? We tend to think in handed down categories. If you do that you cannot be a good researcher in my view. Few have open spirits and the ability to relativize existing categories of thinking and see new creations of categories only as vehicles of thoughts (models). No real scientist thinks that she or he finds absolute truths. There is no such thing in science.
My children and I are watching this series and doing some serious learning!🎉 I thank God for Dave. God works all things together for good. I thank God for this brother, Jim Tour and all the others who helped produce this content God bless you all and prosper the works of your hands.💞
Greetings, this is Pastor Mike. I love this kind of teaching, Dr. Tour. It's not my area of knowledge, but that doesn't matter. Wherever the genuine truth rises, and it glorifies GOD directly or indirectly, I'm on board to try to understand it! I'm slowly learning the varied terminology you use (I'll catch on). This work you're doing to reveal the realities about abiogenesis and the origin of life is, in my opinion, essential to the overall search for truth. GOD's People and people in general need to realize what it takes to go from chemistry to biology! It appears to be very complicated and precise. I have always wondered how the DNA molecule, complete with vast amounts of information, can arise from a mindless, unguided natural process!?! Thank you for all your efforts! Many blessings! From Pastor Mike Benjamins, Jr. of Oregon, USA. 1-23-24 at 2:23 A.M. Oregon Time.
I want to express my gratitude and appreciation for Dave Farina for taking the time to 'poke the bear' and allowing those of us who do believe in a Creator to learn more and enjoy the show with Dr. J. Tour's response.
Thanks, Dr. Tour! Everyone...if you watch these presentations...come back when finished and watch this Intro again. I happily powered through all 13 episodes, carrying my computer around the house with me as I cooked and cleaned. Now, I am returning to watch again with more intentionality. The INTRO pulls together so many of the different aspects of OOL research explained in all of the episodes, giving greater clarity to me about the significant differences between biology and chemistry. Yes...we can all recite, "chemistry is about chemicals," but the lines of language and education have become so blurred. It makes us imagine that chemicals can evolve just like the speckled moth. We owe you, Dr. Tour, a great debt of gratitude for all the time and energy you and your team put into these episodes!!!!
@@slevinchannel7589 Insults? This seems to be your own mode of operation. Instead, why don't you pick one scientific claim from Tour and explain what is fallacious about it? If you are the repository of intellect, please share some of it with the rest of us.
@@slevinchannel7589 Once again, you are the best example of your own insults. Avoidance? Focus? I welcomed your own best scientific explanation or challenge to Tour, and you devolve to "poking me in the eye" because EVERY smart person in the universe agrees with you. I welcome your next and final insult. Final...because I have better things to do.
Like "professor" Dave, I taught high school chemistry. While I never ever accepted evolution as a possible explanation for life,, I didn't know why it was impossible until I studied chemistry. The concept that most convinced me of its futility was something chemists call spontaneity. Which is Dr. Tour's argument in a nut shell. Non chemists better understand the concept in the macro world. For example, if you drop a drinking glass on a tiled floor it "spontaneously" breaks into a thousand pieces. The theoretical process of the pieces reforming the glass is nonspontaneous. This is very similar to atoms forming complex structures like proteins. That process is highly nonspontaneous just like the shattered pieces of glass reforming a drinking glass.
I don't believe abiogenesis to be possible. However, I always believed in evolution but always had serious doubts about the modern synthesis explanation. Epigenetics has since answered those real doubts and has reinforced my disbelief in abiogenesis because the algorithm-like information is found in all life and so the very first living organism had this information which is impossible by chance.
@@iain5615 where does the new information for evolution come from ? example is antibiotic resistant bacteria , it is now known that resistance to antibiotics has not evolved , it was always there , but it comes at a price for the bacteria , like cutting your arms off to prevent them breaking , you will live but be less productive , does evolution create new information ?
@@philiphall4805 fossil records show a clear lineage of evolution but DNA mutation does not explain it. However, there is empirical proof. In a study they removed the DNA sequence for the flagellum and the actual flagellum and put these immobile bacteria into a dish. For a while they sat there and happily ate. Then as the food became scarce within a few generations some bacteria had grown new flagellum by sequencing other genes to achieve this. This is purely due to epigenetics and nothing to do with DNA mutation.
Truly refreshing to have the actual scientific evidence explained instead of explained away to support whats become an ideology of intentional ignorance .
REALLY??? The choice is yours: just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because prof Dave ACTUALLY explains how things works AND WHY TOUR IS DEEPLY WRONG. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust this sad man, it's up to you. Good luck
My phd was in enantioselective catalysis (heck reaction with enol ethers with a redox relay). I just found these videos. Excellent analysis so far. Haven't found anything to critique yet; but then again, I've said some of these things for years
You don't have a high school diploma, let alone a PhD. ID is pure speculation. Minds without [naturally-grow/operated] brains is a fairy-tale for gullible, uneducated adults. The basis of the world's major religions is blind faith and logical fallacies; i.e. circular reasoning. ID says: Complexity/information/codes require intelligence, but science says intelligence requires complex, information-packed, DNA codes that are necessary for cells to grow into brains, which are necessary for intelligence. No observation or demonstration of intelligent minds without those parts has been observed [1]. Nature creating unimaginable complexity has been directly observed, billions of times. For example, see embryology, growth/development science, anatomy, and physiology for how blind, unconscious natural processes changed you from a dumb, unconscious, single fertilized cell into a semi-intelligent/conscious human. [1] Note that even if computer AI or some other human invention were to be intelligent, that is not salvation for ID, because all computers need engineers (with brains) before they can exist, and thus are not an alternative to brains, long before humans existed.
No you are not a PhD chemist, if you think this video is factual. I bet that you will not dare list the link to your doctoral dissertation; do you have one?
My college age children in medical school and clinical psychology study your videos. We have youth groups to our home to watch your videos. You sir, are our hero.
I recommend Anirban Bandyopadhyay response on closer to truth about "Non-biological consciousness" And here is my riposte: "Lymphaters Formula" by Stanisław Lem (MIT Press 2022) Trouble is I don't think Penrose-Hameroff Theory leads to such literalistic panpsychism. Sir Roger Penrose interpretation of Quantum may be very likely correct but this should not be understood as "every vibrating atom in the Universe is conscious". There are several arguments why this is erroneous and one of them is Bernardo Kastrups (I don't agree with his philosophy but I think this one argument is valid" criticism states that particles are not building bricks nor beadles but are excitations in Fields... And for some reason Evolution of complex and conscious Life 3,15 bilion years of work- if we assume the least anthropocentric view that Ediacaran Sincithia were already conscious (and single cell was already a miracle from physicalist point of view and we still don't quite understand abiogenesis no one ever explained how proteins formed in primordial soup as their are hard/impossible to synthesize in water!) So although one can theoretically imagine such Machina Lymphateris based on Penrose-Hameroff Theory I think much more plausible that we are just missing something Big in Physics that would account for what's life and its Evolution (Darwin has proven that Evolution is full of errors and no one steers it sure, but he also has a disproven ideas of Saint Thomas Aquinas about "spontaneous generation" and "humans being created by God from clay"). No We are no Boltzmann Brains, we are products of millions of evolving generations! Therefore if Penrose-Hameroff are correct I don't think evoking Dualism or Idealism is necessary for belief that consciousness cannot be non-biological. Neutral Monism suffies. After saying that I cannot exclude and would find quite fascinating possibility if we could in several centuries from now discover perhaps on "island of stability" some naturally nonexistent but physically possible element that would be vibrating and could serve for Enhanced Life better than carbon in the Penrose-Hameroff framework and perhaps just as Feng Zhang discovery opened limitless possibilities of Germ Line Crispr and self Evolution. We will be able to introduce into living cell this new "magical element" and eventually Evolve enhanced Life based on this new "Lymphaterian" chemistry rather than on carbon. But it's a veery long shot. But yeah. Just as Francis Bacon had said about Space flight in about 250 years and was precise. Like me please
Just ran across this series and eating it up! I appreciate you're keeping all academic while laying it all out there on the line for serious objections to the science presented. I am watching for replies from serious objectors but can only hope they keep it as thorough and factual as you're being. No snippets and hit-and-run attacks...
@@mobelue Lol the next line is “we are his people and the sheep of his pasture...” as kids in church we would always try to catch that next pause with a “Baaaaa” 😝
Thank you for making these. I am not a chemist but I know a few. I would be interested to see what they think. I have always been interested in math and just the fact that everything in our known world has a mathematical rhythm, is amazing! How could something so perfect be made by chance? It has always boggled me how easily we believe a theory with no hard evidence. I have never really considered the very first starting point!!! It is very interesting and I look forward to watching the rest of your videos.
By the way, my nephew no longer speaks to me because I believe God created life. He said he has lost all respect for me because I still believe in God. He said evolution is a proven fact and that scientists are VERY close to proving abiogenesis. I thank you and other scientists for your clear description of the problems scientists continue to have with regard to abiogenesis.
I have sent him some videos, but he won't listen to them. He is very anti-God. He is also very progressive (green energy, more than one gender, etc.) and just thinks I'm old and have no brain cells left. I think I have lost this battle. I will keep praying for him 🙏
I have a Mensa Diplom and i can say that your video is so welcomed and important not just from point of view of apollogeico-science but a poit of view of christians scientists defensive/atheism agresivity (as you said: "little knowing but hight confident people", or making people aware of Dunning-Kruger effekt in this case).
The people James Tour cited said Dr Tour was "misinterpreting", "lying about", and "misunderstanding" their work. JUST THIS SHOULD SAY ALL ABOUT PROF TOUR. The choice is yours: just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because prof Dave ACTUALLY explains how things works AND WHY TOUR IS DEEPLY WRONG. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust this sad man, it's up to you. I understand could be scary for you to discover that Tour is a liar but if you have the courage just watch and judge for yourself. Good luck
@Kitalia the kitsune How tf sad you are, anyway IF YOU REALLY CARE ABOUT WELL SPELLING, watch the Prof Dave reply to all this bs and let's see if you'll have the courage to recognize the total debunk he did to this liar prof Tour. JUST WATCH IT and judge for yourself.
The choice is yours: just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because prof Dave ACTUALLY explains how things work AND WHY TOUR IS DEEPLY WRONG. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust this sad man, it's up to you.
@@nathanspark4876 Seriously?! Dave is phony as a three dollar bill! Prof Dave Failed 2 attempts at a Masters degree! He was fired as a teacher! He makes his money off of TH-cam! Dave needs click bait controversy to make $$$$$!!!!!. Get real! Dave is a two bit TH-camr!!!!! Have you looked at Dr. Tour's credentials?!!! What are we doing dueling PhD's now?
@@derhafi ====== Like what Rob Davis? Abiogenesis happened how? Do tell us here please on this thread. How did your brain, an organic computer that is allowing you to think because of complex formulaic chemical reactions with metabolic pathways along with complex biological structures inside of your head and giving you the abilities of thinking patterns and consciousness from out of dirt? How did this happen Rob Davis by so-called accident like the big bang where the laws of physics came from? ==== Evolution = Self Assembling Atoms = Impossible ====
Dr Tour, Thank you for injecting repeatable and verifiable science back in to the discussion. For those who are really seeking truth; 1) Remember, the terms "time and randomness" are NOT scientific terms 2) Run away from anyone who says they are a scientist and when challenged, spew insults and vulgarity.
Remember this when listening to Dr Tour's explanation. Fairytales are easier to understand than truthful and detailed explanations using chemistry. That's why the Fairytale of "it formed over millions of years" is so intriguing.
Dave: /doesn't get it/ Tour: Maybe if I say the same exact thing, but slooowwweeeerrrr XKCD: So, how long did you make this series? Tour: Oh, it's somewhere between 0-13 byrs long. Dave: Could you be a bit more specific? Tour: It's about as long as the process of Abiogenesis.
The problem is that ‘Agenda’ (using deceptively manipulated data pushed with propaganda) can masquerade as "Science" in some of the most fundamental and important areas in society. Biogenesis has already passed the scientific method countless times. Abiogenesis has passed the scientific method 0 times. Pseudoscience is “a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.” By definition, Abiogenesis is classified as “Pseudoscience”.
Finally! It’s time for schooling the loud undisciplined kids out there. They should learn to stay quiet when more knowledgeable people talk. It’s time to get serious when talking science. I look forward to watching this series. Thank you Dr Tour for explaining this for the rest of us. I know how difficult it is to express difficult things in layman terms. It’s very much appreciated.
"They should learn to stay quiet when more knowledgeable people talk." That includes Tour, you and 99.9% of the people making comments here, because unless you have a degree in a physical science AND have contributed to _life origins research_ by publishing peer-reviewed works in a legitimate science journal (which Tour has not), *you don't have the discipline or knowledge to tell who is knowledgeable about life origins.* Simply put, most creationists can't tell who has true/accurate/reliable scientific knowledge and who doesn't. They don't know what science is, don't know the methods, protocols, or elements of science. Those who do, like Tour, *choose not to follow* those protocols when there is conflict between science and his religion. Most people here do not follow true/accurate knowledge or have the ability to recognize legitimate science, they follow other things like who loves jesus more, who has more kids, and who can defend their faith (with bogus gap fallacies). Tour has said many times saying he doesn't know how life got started on earth, yet contradicts himself and believes the cause of life is something like himself (a [intelligent] synthetic chemical engineer). His belief is faith-based, not science-based, because he says: "The scientific proof [of ID] is not there." [1] ----Dr. James Tour, Ph.D. in synthetic chemistry *Tour has no published works of science in life origins* and no other scientist doing life origins research has cited any of his papers. He is totally silent in peer-reviewed research when it comes to life origins, because: 1) It is not his field, his field is chemical engineering, which is not life origins science. 2) He has nothing to add to science when it comes to life origins, merely unsupported subjective opinion and gap fallacies. 3) He actively discourages his students from pursuing life origins science, due to a religious agenda. [1] Full Quote: I (Dr. James Tour) have been labeled as an Intelligent Design (ID) proponent. I am not. I do not know how to use science to prove intelligent design although some others might. I am sympathetic to the arguments on the matter and I find some of them intriguing, but *the scientific proof is not there,* in my opinion. So I prefer to be free of that ID label.
''SCHOOLING''???? REALLY??? The choice is yours: just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because prof Dave ACTUALLY explains how things works AND WHY TOUR IS DEEPLY WRONG. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust this sad man, it's up to you. Good luck
Not that we need you to prove there is a designer, but I am so thankful that you are there for a reference on the complexity what is this world. God bless you and your ministry
The people James Tour cited said Dr Tour was "misinterpreting", "lying about", and "misunderstanding" their work.The choice is yours: just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because prof Dave ACTUALLY explains how things works AND WHY TOUR IS DEEPLY WRONG. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust this sad man, it's up to you. I understand could be scary for you to discover that Tour is a liar but if you have the courage just watch and judge for yourself. Good luck
Regarding the topic of propaganda, one thing is certain. Dissenting views/comments are blocked or censored on "other Science YT channels" that have over 1 Million subs. "Why isn't open discussion permitted on those 'other Science YT channels'?", one begins to ask. Meanwhile, Dr. Tour has allowed people of doubtful intent to post extremely dissenting views and opinions (some of which could be considered libel with defamation of character against Dr. Tour) on his YT channel videos without censorship of such comments. Historically, the only communities/societies where censorship of dissenting views is practiced are not considered open societies or democratic in nature and often promulgate a certain agenda using propaganda.
I am a physician and am amazed that human body has on the order of 10^21 chemical reactions PER SECOND and they are all interrelated. My job is to keep to keep these reactions working properly which eventually develop problems. There had to be a designer. Deeper questions are how does an original thought arise. If it is from random chemical reactions, then anything you think about has no validity. But if we are made in the image of God, then he was the one who gave us that gift. C.S Lewis said it best: If minds are wholly dependent on brains and brains on biochemistry, and biochemistry (in the long run) on the meaningless flux of the atoms, I cannot understand how the thought of those minds should have any more significance than the sound of the wind in the trees
Thanks Dr. Tour. Also, if anyone reading this comment has any unbelieving family members or friends I encourage you to show them Pastor Mike Winger's Evidence for the Bible series. It's really well made. God bless
Nice!! This guy is certainly a breath of fresh air! He knows his subject, is articulate, and can smoke the God haters like it’s a jr varsity track meet lolz!
@@derhafi do you have a PhD? Have you produced any scientific papers? Can you state one thing he got wrong and give us proof he is incorrect? I'm guessing the answer is no to all of the above but I'd love to be wrong.
I appreciate your courtesy to Dave, as well as your invitation for critique with foundation. You sir, are a gentlemen, and are acting like your Master, who also represents [is] the truth; science is the search for truth; what a perfect fit. We need more people like you. God bless you, your family, and your work.
TRUST ME, I don't want to provocate u, just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself.
@@nathanspark4876 I've seen Professor Dave's supposed debunking of Dr. Tour's arguments. I'm not impressed. It's nothing more than a series of misleading rabbit trails skirting around the obvious truth that Dr Tour presents. Professor Dave comes off as a rather arrogant and rude fellow in his replies to anyone that disagrees with him as well.
No friend, he didn't.The choice is yours: just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because prof Dave ACTUALLY explains how things works AND WHY TOUR IS DEEPLY WRONG. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust this sad man, it's up to you. Good luck
As per the research I've done, logically, through theories of physics, historically, biologically the claims of the bible is coherent. What Dr. Tour says is inline with the claims of the bible.
@@sura_lanka What makes you qualified to do research? Do you have a degree in logic, math, physics, history, and/or biology? "What Dr. Tour says is inline with the claims of the bible" Agreed, but the bible is not "inline" with any science.
May God bless you Mr.Tour and all the good people involved in this endevour to educate the people and bring us all closer to the truth. Eventhough this work might not be all that financially rewarding, i am sure you know that the service to humanity and to the Creator of the heavens and the earth is great. I am deeply grateful for all the work being provided by Jim and everyone involved and am very excited for the following episodes. Best regards and much love.
The people James Tour cited said Dr Tour was "misinterpreting", "lying about", and "misunderstanding" their work.The choice is yours: just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because prof Dave ACTUALLY explains how things works AND WHY TOUR IS DEEPLY WRONG. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust this sad man, it's up to you. I understand could be scary for you to discover that Tour is a liar but if you have the courage just watch and judge for yourself. Good luck
not even close. The choice is yours: just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because prof Dave ACTUALLY explains how things works AND WHY TOUR IS DEEPLY WRONG. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust this sad man, it's up to you. I understand could be scary for you to discover that Tour is a liar but if you have the courage just watch and judge for yourself. Good luck
The analogy of the car for chemical assemblage on a planetary scale is perfectly exacerbated. Building something that is significantly less complicated than a cell with deliberative intention without special insight or holistic knowledge of an integrated highly specialized system only goes to widen the chasm between mathematical probability and rational plausibility. Well done, Dr. Tour.
TRUST ME, I don't want to provocate u, just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself.
It doesn't widen any chasm and is totally irrelevant, for the simple reason that the *way humans work and the way they build artifacts is NOT how nature works.* All science, observation and evidence proves this, with no exceptions. Tour's narrative about building an organism by first acquiring all necessary parts and assembling them as engineers assemble machines, is totally ludicrous and contrary to observation of how things in nature form, including you when you where grown naturally. Your beliefs are due to a truly stunning ignorance of the most basic facts of natural science, and a dogmatic, deeply rooted, false, arrogant, childish, human-centric mindset that blindly asserts the way you work must be the only way and the way other things must work. Especially things that: 1) Are crucial to the existence of life (thus making you feel that you are important when you aren't), and 2) Haven't yet been explained by science, i.e. a you make a [god of] *gap fallacy.* For example, how engineers _attempt and FAIL_ to build a nuclear fusion reactor is NOTHING like how nature did it successfully, billions of times. By the way, we know exactly how nature does it. See star formation in astrophysics. If we know exactly how nature does something, and still can't do it ourselves with all our intelligence, what does that tell you about why life origins is not solved? How engineers build robots or replacement limbs/organs is nothing like how nature grew you from an unconscious, unintelligent spec of biomatter, to a conscious, semi-intelligent human. To see how nature grew you, see *human growth and development science* or ask a medial doctor. To see how nature allows you to grow, think, feel, heal, and ponder an imaginary perfect human called "god", see *biochemistry, anatomy, physiology, and neuroscience.* Notice I've not mentioned evolution or any "historical" science, only directly observable processes you can see right now, that take place with no external intelligent control. "mathematical probability and rational plausibility" The probability of any outcome is always higher if it uses only parts and processes already directly observed (like those parts and chemical/physical processes that grow/change life right now), and plummets when appealing to any unobserved, unobservable, undescribed, unknown, complex systems, like a non-DNA-based intelligence. The nail in the coffin of all god-based religions and ID is the fact that there is no demonstration of a mind without a brain (grown naturally, from DNA, among other parts). Belief in ID is either *circular* (codes/information/complexity require intelligence, while science shows intelligence requires [DNA] codes, which are complex and contain information), or *faith-based* (faith in a non-DNA-based intelligence; one that doesn't depend on DNA to exist as humans do) There is no faith in abiogenesis because it uses only what we already know allows life to grow, operate and change _right now,_ with nothing added (hence the reason it's science; minimal, parsimonious, most likely to be true).
@@ja31472 your response is hilarious. "There is no faith in abiogenesis". Have you or anyone else ever observed it? Can you observe it? None of us were there, so it is based on faith. Abiogenesis is based on the belief that all things happen through natural processes. Perhaps it is time for you to stop being so condescending and realize that you don't know everything (nor do I). Enjoy your day :)
This is very interesting and valuable information. I've much respect for James Tour's openness and his public involvement in a discussion like this. I admire his humble approach, with respect to the other person. Having watched some of Dave's content I concluded that Dave has a lot to learn when it comes to communication and behaviour. But he's a young man, so there's much hope.
REALLY??? The choice is yours: just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because prof Dave ACTUALLY explains how things works AND WHY TOUR IS DEEPLY WRONG. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust this sad man, it's up to you. Good luck
This is very high quality content. Dr. Tour, please look at the # of veiws. That is how many people that you have served by this video. Thank You. God Bless.
It was your explanation of the nearly impossible chances of life happening on its own which brought me to belief in the Christian God. Thank you. Your words saved my soul. God bless.
@@HoneybunMegapack you dont know that. Its just your assumption. Nobody was there to witness how it happened. So you and your 'religion' is a joke. But what do I expect from a person who believed he came from monkey origin?
I recommend Anirban Bandyopadhyay response on closer to truth about "Non-biological consciousness" And here is my riposte: "Lymphaters Formula" by Stanisław Lem (MIT Press 2022) Trouble is I don't think Penrose-Hameroff Theory leads to such literalistic panpsychism. Sir Roger Penrose interpretation of Quantum may be very likely correct but this should not be understood as "every vibrating atom in the Universe is conscious". There are several arguments why this is erroneous and one of them is Bernardo Kastrups (I don't agree with his philosophy but I think this one argument is valid" criticism states that particles are not building bricks nor beadles but are excitations in Fields... And for some reason Evolution of complex and conscious Life 3,15 bilion years of work- if we assume the least anthropocentric view that Ediacaran Sincithia were already conscious (and single cell was already a miracle from physicalist point of view and we still don't quite understand abiogenesis no one ever explained how proteins formed in primordial soup as their are hard/impossible to synthesize in water!) So although one can theoretically imagine such Machina Lymphateris based on Penrose-Hameroff Theory I think much more plausible that we are just missing something Big in Physics that would account for what's life and its Evolution (Darwin has proven that Evolution is full of errors and no one steers it sure, but he also has a disproven ideas of Saint Thomas Aquinas about "spontaneous generation" and "humans being created by God from clay"). No We are no Boltzmann Brains, we are products of millions of evolving generations! Therefore if Penrose-Hameroff are correct I don't think evoking Dualism or Idealism is necessary for belief that consciousness cannot be non-biological. Neutral Monism suffies. After saying that I cannot exclude and would find quite fascinating possibility if we could in several centuries from now discover perhaps on "island of stability" some naturally nonexistent but physically possible element that would be vibrating and could serve for Enhanced Life better than carbon in the Penrose-Hameroff framework and perhaps just as Feng Zhang discovery opened limitless possibilities of Germ Line Crispr and self Evolution. We will be able to introduce into living cell this new "magical element" and eventually Evolve enhanced Life based on this new "Lymphaterian" chemistry rather than on carbon. But it's a veery long shot. But yeah. Just as Francis Bacon had said about Space flight in about 250 years and was precise. Like me please James Tour is great
he is a fraud, actual chemists showed how almost everything he said was wrong and tried to make people belive in evangelicalism by lying. Do not trust this man!
really? So abiogenesis is observable and this seems more strange to you to a ghost nobody has ever seen creating universe and then needing dust to create a single man and his rib to create a woman???? REALLY???
@@nathanspark4876 Yes, REALLY!!! I fully believe in an "invisible man in the sky". What, you expect him to reveal himself to you at your command?? The sad irony here is that he would love to reveal himself to you or "whosoever", but not to the proud and arrogant who think they got it figured out! Amazing to me how today's highly educated expect God to be visible to the naked eye or somehow accessible to us on our terms! God is invisible. And yet we (rightly) accept dozens and dozens of concepts and models that are not in any way visible to the naked eye, or even comprehensible to the mind (quantum mechanics, relativity, speed of light, size of earth, sun, solar system, galaxy, local group, galaxy clusters, superclusters, universe, molecules, atoms, protons, quarks, etc). Your's and mine's "wisdom" and understanding about these matters is puny times ten to the minus 100 on a good day. We expect him to explain himself to us as though he owes us an explanation?? He doesn't owe anybody anything! Again, the irony is that he freely gives all things lovingly to all ("he makes his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust") and he abundantly explains many things in his word to those with hearing ears. It all depends on the heart, God is looking for honesty and humility and that's who he reveals himself to. Jesus said, "I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in thy sight." Matthew 11:25-26.
luckily science students doesnt and NEVER will watch this.The choice is yours: just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because prof Dave ACTUALLY explains how things works AND WHY TOUR IS DEEPLY WRONG. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust this sad man, it's up to you. I understand could be scary for you to discover that Tour is a liar but if you have the courage just watch and judge for yourself. Good luck
Professor Dave's inaccuracies so far: (The best of...) 1. Use of the word Biochemistry. Whilst biochemists do study OoL and biochemicals did exist before life, there was no biochemistry occuring in prebiotic reactions, just plain dead chemistry. Hence the field - prebiotic chemistry and the meaning of the word abiogenesis (origin without biology/non-biological origin). It's a contradiction of terms. It was strictly chemistry. (Anyone who disagrees with this, show me the biochemistry occuring before life began.) 2. Entropy/Thermodynamics argument is an ignorant fallacy?? - a great decrease in entropy WITH a great increase in energy, needed for life, has never ever been observed in the universe without HELP (Dr Brian Miller PhD - expert in thermodynamics), it is a physical impossibility if unaided. Therefore, the examples of ice and soap, order arising (entropy decreasing) from a decrease in energy (driven by nature's preference for a lower energy equilibrium state) as a rebuttal for the argument based upon the 2nd law of thermodynamics is a straw man, it is missing half of the argument. (Anyone who dismisses Dr Miller because he believes in God, prove he is scientifically wrong...) 3. Hype is from the media, NOT the scientists?? - Completely false, Tour's whole video addresses this. Hype can be from the scientists themselves and in many cases the media do consult with them prior to publishing their work, hence they are culpable in this too. Dave has never published a peer reviewed paper so he would not know the intricate details of how this works. (See episode 3 for references) 4. Dave's homochirality assessment is riddled with errors - Tour analysed he actual paper and the SLIGHT excess of asparagine (said in the video) was actually greater than 99% asparagine, an important detail. The enantiomeric excess wasn't pure, for Phe it had a max of 22% of the remaining 1%, a terrible efficiency. The data for other amino acids reveals a broad spread of ee % for both D and L forms, leading the authors to conclude this is just as likely to produce a racemic aftermath as a result, not a homochiral one (from the conclusion of the actual paper). 5. Carbohydrates - Dave states in his video that polysaccharides are repeating units of the SAME monomer, this is utterly false! Many different monomers can make up polysaccharides. Also, use of the word TRICKY in their synthesis is a gross understatement worth mentioning, which Tour goes on to explain in some detail. 6. Any biomolecule is easy to synthesize?? A grossly ridiculous statement. They are hard to synthesize, especially in homochiral form even using ACTIVATE D building blocks taken from nature, side chain protection and removal.. which is common procedure. 7. Primordial soup belief and Honest Talking points - Dave states "to call [seeing a primordial soup of molecules, some lightening and then all of a sudden a cell is there, then maybe a lizard crawling onto land or something like that] a complete view of abiogenesis and evolution would be absurd, but absolutely no one proposes this." Dave states Tour is making a dishonest talking point here, however, Tour shows a video where Lee Cronin (OoL expert) said that Justin Brierley's GCSE [high school] education on his very thing - i.e. "A few lightening strikes and then 'poof!' a cell forms" - was 'not too bad at all". Dr Tour also showed a survey of 697 people, 80% of whom have college degrees, and of this group, ~73% believed scientists researching OoL have created simple life forms via mixing prebiotic chemicals. Therefore 1) it is indeed an honest talking point and 2) Dave's statement "absolutely no one proposes this" has evidence that highly suggests otherwise. (Thanks Bart) 8. Polymer regeneration fallacy. Dave proposed a constant equilibrium reaction to continuously regenerate proteins and RNA from their respective monomers and their even smaller building blocks to overcome Tour's point of molecular degradation over time. This has many catastrophic problems, here's just 3: 1) The equilibrium value would have to be 1 for the required formation/degredation balance. Most reactions do not work like this, it's a thermodynamic fallacy to presume so. The product with the lower energy state is favoured, tipping it's equilibrium one way or the other, not a nice perpetual regeneration. 2) Even ignoring this, many other reactions will occur, not just the desired polymerization. Without side chain protection, racemic, branched JUNK is inevitable. 3) Even ignoring 1 and 2, The polymer needs to be of meaningful sequence to be useful, otherwise it's JUNK! Regeneration of the SAME meaningful sequence is astronomically low - this is before self-replication, therefore anything of potential use would just degrade, likely never to be reproduced. 9. Proteins (could have, may, perhaps) possibly... formed in the ocean. Condensation reactions extremely ineffective in water, the equilibrium drives the reaction backwards, back to amino acids, any proteins break down or are blocked from forming due to the zwitterionic nature of amino acids. Homochirality is bereft of an explanation. 10. His misleading, illinformed slide showing ribonucleotides polymerizing over hot clay is TORN TO SHREDS by Dr Tour. It all looks so easy according to Dave. However.... 1) No prebiotic route to ribose for the starting materials. 2) The clay and the procedure is a prebiotic joke, neither would occur. (Centrifuge 3500rpm??) 3) HOT clay considering the instability of RNA above minus 80??? 4) Catastrophic polymerization problems - wrong linkages causing termination 5) Getting the thing off the clay is even unprebiotic. 11. Cell membranes (Dave "grabbing things out of the air and proclaiming it from the rooftops") Dave's postulated lipid monolayer for protocells is unfounded and is not demonstrated as viable ANYWHERE in the scientific literature and has never been shown to exist. The postulated lipid bilayers devoid of protein gateways or proton gradients would just act as a TOMB for anything inside that may have miraculously formed. Also, the complex non-symmetric bilayers necessary for life do not form spontaneously. 12. Lipids - The spontaneous origin of fatty acids from hydrothermal vents is highly disputed, more likely deriving from oil products of biological origin. Even if we give you the fatty acids.. Salad dressing won't suffice Dave! Lipids made from simple fatty acids are unable to maintain proton gradients essential for life - phospholipids must've been there from the beginning. See episode 10 for their implausible origin. 13. Homochirality1- Given the terrible ee% excess in Dave's example, to stand any chance of leading to homochirality, it would need an exemplary prebiotically relevant autocatalytic reaction inducing enantiomeric amplification. One has never ever been discovered! The only known reaction to do this is the Soai reaction, however, this is - 1) Prebiotically irrelevant 2) Nowhere near efficient enough 3) Nowhere near persistent enough. (Donna Blackmond) How did proteins become homochiral when there's no prebiotically relevant route ever shown to make the amino acids in homochiral form, or to separate the enantiomers, or to polymerize them? 14. Homochirality2 - Dave claims homochirality could've arrived after life began... Baseless. Implausible. Unscientific. There is no evidence for claimed racemic mixtures (no homochirality) being usable in cells. They have never been shown to function based on the reaction specificities, yields and heat management that would be needed for cellular systems (see CISS in episode 11). Dave suggested this for lipids but VAST numbers of electron transfers take place in lipid bilayer membranes, so it's baseless to dismiss the need for lipid homochirality (see CISS). 15. Dave gets his abiogenesis information from Wikipedia (at best) but more than likely from the Sunday tabloids or his local gazette. When (if) referencing peer reviewed papers, his source material rarely ventures past the abstract of any given paper. If not study the entire paper, at least read it's conclusions which usually provide a more balanced assessment than the abstract. Come on Dave, do your homework!
Awesome explanation about thermodynamics and the necessity for low entropy and high energy for life! I truly thank God for giving us great scientists like Dr. Tour and Dr. Miller to tell the truth!
@@HoneybunMegapack Hi! Thanks for sharing your perspective. I guess mine is the opposite. I've always been aware of God's existence. But now I'm curious: Why spend your time trying to convince people not to believe? If I was an atheist, I wouldn't waste one minute of my time on any of this crap! I'd get busy enjoying my short and fleeting existence. Why talk about religious stuff?
@@BreadofLifeChannel because we, as human race, we care about our fellows, so if I can help you to understand how you was indoctrinated and why the tale of gods are all false, will be a pleasure and a satisfaction. You THINK you are always being aware of God's existence because you was indoctrinated, you can find the same feelings in other people believing different gods in different religions, is just simple psicology.
Dave: /doesn't get it/ Tour: Maybe if I say the same exact thing, but slooowwweeeerrrr XKCD: So, how long did you make this series? Tour: Oh, it's somewhere between 0-13 byrs long. Dave: Could you be a bit more specific? Tour: It's about as long as the process of Abiogenesis.
What I like to do is to think of what Dr Tour is leaving out, and I find it difficult because he has already thought of so many things and given one a lot of things to ponder. I'm intrigued.
The people James Tour cited said Dr Tour was "misinterpreting", "lying about", and "misunderstanding" their work.The choice is yours: just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because prof Dave ACTUALLY explains how things works AND WHY TOUR IS DEEPLY WRONG. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust this sad man, it's up to you. I understand could be scary for you to discover that Tour is a liar but if you have the courage just watch and judge for yourself. Good luck
@@nathanspark4876 Check out the new series (Season 2) for James' response to these experts on how they misrepresent James and lose their scientific credibility. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that Dave the sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 99% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by James Tour, that totally exposes Dave and his experts TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep EXPOSE'. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because James Tour ACTUALLY explains how things works AND WHY Dave and his expert buddies are DEEPLY and Definitely MANIPULATIONG THE DATA. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust Dave the not so bright Masters drop out DAVE, it's up to you. I understand could be scary for you to discover that Dave is a liar but if you have the courage just watch and judge for yourself. Good luck
The people James Tour cited said Dr Tour was "misinterpreting", "lying about", and "misunderstanding" their work. JUST THIS SHOULD SAY ALL ABOUT PROF TOUR. The choice is yours: just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because prof Dave ACTUALLY explains how things works AND WHY TOUR IS DEEPLY WRONG. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust this sad man, it's up to you. I understand could be scary for you to discover that Tour is a liar but if you have the courage just watch and judge for yourself. Good luck
Even if we give them the benefit of the doubt and say some self-replicating 'molecule,' such as a proto-RNA formed, that is still literal eons away from a complete cell. And RNA/DNA doesn't code for what life does; it just codes for the production for amino acids, which make proteins, the hardware/machinery that cells use (in addition to the actual machinery they use, such as rotors/microtubules/walkers/etc.)
Can a cake bake itself? Yes, today a cook with prepared ingredients, following a recipe, using accurate tools like ovens, blenders and other things, can bake and make a cake. But a cake will never bake itself. Nor, can a book make itself, or anything else.
Apparently the cake made the oven, the pan, the heat source, the timer, the oven mitts/apron, electric mixer, the light socket, the power grid and the nuclear power plant; maybe the ingredients as well...as an after thought
@Necromonger Nation Seems like a bit of a reach to me dude. The computer being designed by people has nothing to do with eukaryotes, also eukaryotes are several billion years old. Saying its the only recognised system for designing computers to try and make it fit your comparison just doesn't work.
I thought before we got to far along we should all understand who the players in this unfolding drama are..... I did my best with Goggle as the main resource to uncover the truth concerning the accreditation of both men. Professor Dave Farina, taught high school and undergraduate classrooms for 10 years before turning into a TH-camr it may be assumed to teach an undergraduate class one is a professor but that is defiantly not the case. Its much more likely that at best he was referred to or assumed to be an assistant professor but in reality, may not have even born that title. The bottom line is that in tracking his accreditation I could only confirm he was a teacher. He received a bachelor's degree in chemistry from Minnesota's Carleton College and a master's in chemistry and science (education) at California State University. There is nothing to suggest that he has ever received a professorship or gone beyond a master’s degree. Note He has never received a Doctorate. He has received a master in science education……. In the last evaluation made ranking California State University it was 26th in the state 300th over all in the US and 1540 Universities were thought to offer a better education world wide. Of the top 100 Universities in the world, 58 are found in the US. But they don’t just take anybody; we all know you have to have the grades …. the smarts to get into those schools, and if not the smarts the money. So, while some may buy their way in, most have to get there with brains and hard work. Professor Dave was not among them, he did not walk those hallowed halls of higher learning, and I hope I don't have to spell out that not all educations are created equal...... You can see to by the fruit they produce if they made a difference or were a waste of time. In fairness to prof Dave, I also checked out Dr. Tour. While it is true that since leaving School Dr, Tour has made a far more substantive mark on the world and science in particular it is still worth noting his beginnings. But I started from the present and searched back in time. I have to say that when you Goggle Dr. Tour there is an obvious and immediate contrast….. Rather than searching though several pages to find an obscure reference you are greeted by.... World-Renowned Scientist Dr. James Tour...it doesn't say he's a saint but it sure does say he's a smart guy; and if you want to hear it from an expert he's the guy to talk to.... I decided to check the university that employs him to teach, after all these guys make money selling an education and people looking for a real future are looking for a real education. The people teaching make that happen....and every university looks for the best they can find. SO if we know a bit about the institution we should learn something of the man.
Dr. James M. Tour, a synthetic organic chemist, joined the Center for Nanoscale Science and Technology at Rice University in 1999, where he is presently the T. T. and W. F. Chao Professor of Chemistry, Professor of Computer Science, and Professor of Materials Science and NanoEngineering. Well fair to call him a professor…..of a few things...lets say you were on trial and prof Dave was your expert and Dr. Tour was appearing for the prosecution do you like your chances? Rice University is ranked #16 in National Universities meaning that in the US its top 16 and as there are 58 US universities in the top 100 world wide Rice clearly is one of them do the math; but you would be mistaken, in fact world ranking put Rice at 128 still a bit better than 1500 plus, but confusing. I think maybe Goggle got that one wrong but that's what it says. Tour received degrees from Syracuse University (BS, 1981), Purdue University (PhD, 1986) and completed postdoctoral work at the University of Wisconsin-Madison (1986-1987) and Stanford University (1987-1988). Stanford is top 10. Syracuse University ranked 58th in the country 370 world wide yes again the numbers seem off. Purdue University is currently 68th in the world….another of those top 100. So better education, better diploma, better credentials, better period.... and Dave who plays a professor on TH-cam seems to be a guy whose delusions have run away with him. If my name was Dr. Tour, I would be inclined to sue for defamation. He though has decided to do what he is known for .... to teach.... Dave I think you will be watching and while you never got the chance before this is it a real education from a world class professor.... Dr. Tour it is a privilege to call you brother.
Dr. Tour was also chosen as one of the top 50 chemists in the world. And twice won the the best professor at Rice university. Has 700 publications 160 patents in nanotechnology.
@@BibleResearchTools Would a person who uses that (god of the gaps) be kind enough to define what they mean in its use.... It seems to me that any time God is spoken of as being involved; out comes the god of the gaps claim. If design is clearly seen in life, and scripture is telling us directly that God created the creature we see design in, that is a confirmation that what scripture says is true not a god of the gaps…. If we had no reason to believe God was involved in the process; say a lightning bolt shot across the sky and someone decided God was angry causing that to happen, that is god of the gaps, what you don’t understand you credit to god. It’s not correct to declare from the outset there is no god therefore every time He is considered its god of the gaps. It’s not reasonable because there is no way to confirm god (here describing the creator of the universe, all that is seen and unseen) is not a possibility. Let’s go a bit deeper; I don’t think this can be seen clearly without a better understanding of the term God…. A lot of people use God as a personal name, Atheists here prefer invisible sky daddy. God is not a name it is a description of, position /authority; and as such what ever a person holds as authoritative is their own personal god…. This applies to everybody. I don’t jump off a high bridge because I respect gravity. The fact that to do that would result in death is strong motivation to not jump. If for you that’s science and today science doesn’t have an answer but you are still insisting it will and making crap up, you are the one applying a god of the gaps argument. Prime example of this are, the multi-verse, or Oort cloud. These in both cases are beyond the purview of science. At least presently, but they are all the same offered up and spoken of as established fact, in a fanatic fashion by those that worship science. BUT do they, science has rules, and they that would present these arguments as science defy those…..for all of recorded history men have presented gods/authorities they could bend to their own purposes and present to the world as justification for whatever they personally believed or want….. A true god of the gaps. How many today are ministers for this new god? All the while insisting their god is real? Science is real when it is science, and when it is real it should/must be respected….when its not, its not.
Love this series. This is my nth time watching it. Jim gets down into the vast depths of cells & life and makes it obvious that a divine intelligence was needed to put this amazing structure together & start it up. This kind of science that shattered my atheism. Ya gotta go with the science and that shows life is only possible thru intelligent creation. Dr. Tour is a great man with a great talent.
I love how James Tour is doing and saying the exact, identical, same, identical and also same thing as Flat-Earthers, really hammering home that all Science-Denial and Conspiracys are blood-related. Realize it already, people, your not following God or siding with Religion in a ReligionvsScience-War, as such a War does not exist and your own Religion BY MAJORITY totally accepts Evolution, the Age of the Earth, the Big Bang, and all sch and more. Deal with the Reality you live in: a Reality where Christianity does not believe what YOU believe.
The choice is yours: just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because prof Dave ACTUALLY explains how things work AND WHY TOUR IS DEEPLY WRONG. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust this sad man, it's up to you.
Thanks for some excellent information. I need to look it up, but skeptic PhDs at UNC claim that the likelihood of DNA forming naturally is 1 / 10 to the 9000th power. This educated me a lot on why. Thanks
I love how James Tour is doing and saying the exact, identical, same, identical and also same thing as Flat-Earthers, really hammering home that all Science-Denial and Conspiracys are blood-related. For people to believe that something fundamentally proven and totally known is 'just wrong, lol', you must first play Make-Belief and pretend that theres not only some 'Mainstream-Science', which there isnt, theres just Science, but also that those people are CLUELESS. But dontcha worry, cause Tour is a "real Scientist! Unlike all those Millions of fake-scientists!!!" It's literally identical and the same as what all conspiracys have to say. I mean, LITERALLY, Tour has the same things to say about Scientists than Healing-Crystal-Sellers and all the Flat-Earthers: That's not me speaking in Metaphors, WHAT THEY SAY IS WELL DOCUMENTED, so excuse me for comparing the words and being like 'Oh, this is literally 100% identical'. You have to pretend the System is evil and incompetent; both; so you can seel your own stuff.
@@loturzelrestaurant so how exactly do you believe everything came into existence? Do you believe in spontaneous generation AKA ex Nihilo Creation? Or do you prefer eternal matter and energy. I hate to break it to you, but both of those are anti-scientific. Would be curious what such a wise person thanks was the catalyst for everything
The probability of a conscious intelligent human growing naturally is 100%, given certain prior physical conditions exist, and humans have 10^25 times as many parts as DNA. See human growth and development science to learn exactly how you grew naturally. See anatomy, physiology, biology, biochemistry, and neuroscience to learn how you operate, live, feel, heal, and are able to ponder an imaginary non-DNA-based intelligence no human has observed, by natural processes alone. Do it now, don't take my work for it. "skeptic PhDs at UNC" Full names? PhD in what, math? Math only works when the assumptions are true/accurate/reliable. "claim that the likelihood of DNA forming naturally" Based on what assumptions? What was the calculation and what did it use/depend on? Hint: Nature is not a single, sequential, uniformly random dice roll. It is non-uniform, non-random (deterministic, according to basic physics), and operates in parallel.
@@ja31472 you are free to believe that everything came from nothing and that this everything collapsed into a singularity and blew up into the most perfect explosion ever imaginable creating an absolutely perfect slowly growing universe. This explosion was 10 orders of magnitude more perfect than any explosion man has ever concocted. Somehow Earth formed a magnetic field which allowed it to keep an atmosphere in place and was magically in the right spot to have a solar system with numerous large targets nearby to pull most of the space debris activity. These large bodies of course being Jupiter Saturn and the like. As for life from non life I'm going to send you a link to doctor Tour's information which makes your assertions Beyond implausible. I must admit that the DNA statistics came in a lecture and I do not have the citations. Dr tours information, however, makes your assertions even more implausible. It is here: th-cam.com/video/zU7Lww-sBPg/w-d-xo.html . Not sure about your science creds, but this guys credit dwarf mine. But let's just say for a crazy hypothesis the doctor tour is all wrong and that all the crazy stuff that I showed above actually occurred. I need to add of course the absurdity of DNA which even doctor Dawkins who hates anything to do with Christianity admits could not happen, and then follow the macroevolution in spite of a total lack of evidence for it in the fossil record. And while some are uneducated enough to ignore this, it was folks who wanted macroevolution to be true that came up with punctuated equilibrium which is just humorous. But let's just say all of that occurred naturally which means that we are cosmic accidents. Nobody planned us nobody put us here for a reason so the answer to why am I here is that there is no reason. We will be here for 0.00 0 00 44% of the time between Big Bang and now. We will occupy approximately 0.000005 percent of the space on a small planet in a small solar system in an unremarkable Galaxy. Then our meaningless and hopeless existence gives way to a meaningless and hopeless non-existence. If that's what you believe, then I applaud you for not shooting yourself in the head many years ago which I may well have done if I believed I was as meaningless and hopeless as you believe you are
@@michaelcasile1036 I await a direct response to my previous comment. Until then you have nothing but fictitious strawmen, just like your God of Gaps, and His Sons, the God of DNA, God of Proteins, and God of the Big Bang. "Dr tours information, however, makes your assertions even more implausible." Which ones? The fact that you have 10^25 more parts than DNA and still grew 100% naturally? Or maybe you were a test-tube baby engineered in a lab, Michael? Is that true? I'm not. I was born and grew 100% naturally, inside another human that also grew and was operated 100% naturally. "I do not have the citations." You never did, and there was no lecture. "It is here: th-cam.com/video/zU7Lww-sBPg/w-d-xo.html" No, that's a god of gaps fallacy. It basically says "life origins is a mystery, therefore god-done-it". Just like earth/sun/weather/rain/mountain/sea/air/tree/animal origins were once a mystery, but all turned out to be naturally caused. "Somehow Earth formed" This "somehow" is known and written down with all supporting evidence, and the cause was nature. Google "formation of earth". Same for the sun, which is also well-known, but yet humans can't reproduce no matter how hard they try. Let me reiterate that: Nature has created billions of nuclear fusion reactors (which are essential to life), without intelligence, consciousness or purpose, while humans with all their intellect are unable to even come close. The probability of a conscious intelligent human growing naturally is 100%, given certain prior physical conditions exist, and humans have 10^25 times as many parts as DNA. See human growth and development science to learn exactly how you grew naturally. See anatomy, physiology, biology, biochemistry, and neuroscience to learn how you operate, live, feel, heal, and are able to ponder an imaginary non-DNA-based intelligence no human has observed, by natural processes alone. Do it now, don't take my work for it. "skeptic PhDs at UNC" Full names? PhD in what, math? Math only works when the assumptions are true/accurate/reliable. "claim that the likelihood of DNA forming naturally" Based on what assumptions? What was the calculation and what did it use/depend on? Hint: Nature is not a single, sequential, uniformly random dice roll. It is non-uniform, non-random (deterministic, according to basic physics), and operates in parallel. "you are free to believe that everything came from nothing" You are free to believe that I believe everything came from nothing, but the reality is very different. "let's just say all of that occurred naturally which means that we are cosmic accidents." No, naturally means by directly observable natural processes. You have a false understanding of nature. "I may well have done if I believed I was as meaningless and hopeless as you believe you are" First, that is an appeal to the consequences fallacy. Second, if you need to lie to yourself to not commit suicide, then you should think about what that means: that you are weak. If you're so weak the only way to survive is to fashion a fairy-tale story putting you at the center of the entire universe, that means you are also arrogant, and small-minded.
Why don't we observe abiogenesis today? Instead, biogenesis is observed every day, everywhere. Why is it so? Why has it been so difficult to simulate abiogenesis?
Professor Dave really stepped in it when he convinced himself that he actually had knowledge above the realm of basic chemistry. He really does a good job of explaining chemistry concepts, but he stepped out of his expertise when he took on a world renowned scientist n the topic of abiogenesis. I hope Dave learns from the experience and does not continue to embarrass himself. He has good gig going and does not need this.
Its too interesting...i am short of words sir...Hatts off for Dr.james tour...the way you elaborated the first and formost form of life is amazing...Stay blessed sir...n lots of love...
@@zoeytrejo9747 Dave Farina is angry because he failed to get his master's degree in synthetic organic chemistry on TWO ATTEMPTS! That's what makes him eminently unqualified to correct Dr. Tour who is an actual PhD and a leading expert in synthetic organic chemistry. Btw, Dave also deleted my posts and banned be from his channel after I called him out for making an ad hominem attack in lieu of a scientific argument. Yet he calls himself a _"science communicator"_. Insert Dave Farina into that mix to get _"instant oxymoron!"_
The choice is yours: just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because prof Dave ACTUALLY explains how things works AND WHY TOUR IS DEEPLY WRONG. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust this sad man, it's up to you. I understand could be scary for you to discover that Tour is a liar but if you have the courage just watch and judge for yourself. Good luck
Dave, academia, facing a real engineer, Dr Tour, with decades of real world experience. We all wonder if Dave ever had a real job, engineering anything from scratch, any patents, any job creation, Dave?
Thank you, Dr. Tour! And to the talented people involved in the production of this series of videos: Thank you very much! May you enjoy many blessings as so many of us benefit from the fruits of your labor!
@Rob Davis, Thank you for sharing your conclusions. But if you hope to persuade anyone, you will need to say a little about how you reached your conclusions. Dr. Tour has invited people - especially others who are in the field of synthetic chemistry - to counter any errors he might make with well reasoned counter arguments and citations. If you care to attempt that, I can be persuaded. But just calling him a liar or slamming him because of his faith is not at all persuasive.
''EXPLANATIONS''??? REALLY??? The choice is yours: just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because prof Dave ACTUALLY explains how things works AND WHY TOUR IS DEEPLY WRONG. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust this sad man, it's up to you. Good luck
A statistical impossibility is defined as “a probability that is so low as to not be worthy of mentioning. Sometimes it is quoted as 1/10^50 although the cutoff is inherently arbitrary. Although not truly impossible the probability is low enough so as to not bear mention in a Rational, Reasonable argument." The probability of a functional 150 amino acid protein chain forming by chance is 1/10^164. It has been calculated that the probability of DNA forming by chance is 1/10^119,000. Based on just these two cellular components, it would be more Rational and Reasonable to conclude that the cell was not formed by undirected random chance. (*For reference, peptides/proteins can vary in size from 3 amino acid chains to 34,000 amino acid chains. Some scientists consider 300-400 amino acid protein chains to be the average size. The probability of finding one particular atom out of all of the atoms in the universe has been estimated to be 1/10^80.)
It's unwise to discuss probabilities, because it would be extraordinarily difficult to calculate any true probability. The distribution of amino acids is not uniform and it's different in each protein. The genetic code has only one codon for some amino acids but two, four and six for others. And some mutations are "silent". How does all that effect the real probability? But you're on the right track. I always discuss the *size of the search space.* Since there are about *10^130* possible different chains of 100 amino acids (a small protein), and the universe is at most *10^18 seconds* old, there would have to be enough mutations across a population to generate an *effectively infinite* number of unique chains *per second* since the formation of the universe for find even one small needed functional protein. And natural selection can't save the day since a protein wouldn't work until it was nearly perfect.
Can I just point out how privileged and blessed we are for being able to access free contents like this??? Thank you, Dr. James Tour. You are such a gift to us from God 😊
So blessed ...to have a man trade is rational thought and professional credibility for religious brownie points from ignorant people who already agreed with him based on a warm fuzzy feeling when reading an ancient book? What a privilege
TRUST ME, I don't want to provocate u, just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I hope u'll find the courage to watch it.
The people James Tour cited said Dr Tour was "misinterpreting", "lying about", and "misunderstanding" their work. JUST THIS SHOULD SAY ALL ABOUT PROF TOUR. The choice is yours: just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because prof Dave ACTUALLY explains how things works AND WHY TOUR IS DEEPLY WRONG. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust this sad man, it's up to you. I understand could be scary for you to discover that Tour is a liar but if you have the courage just watch and judge for yourself. Good luck
''EXPLANATIONS''??? REALLY??? The choice is yours: just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because prof Dave ACTUALLY explains how things works AND WHY TOUR IS DEEPLY WRONG. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust this sad man, it's up to you. Good luck
Watched Standing for Truth "Resolving the Chemical Origins of Life Paradox (Part 1) Dr. James Carter and Dr. Ryan Hayes". I found it very informative. Do you have any comment on the difficulties they presented?
I am long-winded ... sorry, but I just thought it might be nice if we all visited Dave's channel to encourage him to participate. I have made a couple of comments on his page already trying to discover why he calls himself Professor Dave, and to be honest the answer I got was not totally satisfying, but he did call me his bud.....
He actually explained in an old video he was not a professor, and the term was used by his students, and he is just a teacher, I actually answered and questioned the mistakes in his video, he muted and removed my comment, I assume he keeps the comments which he can get away with 🤷♂️
Same here , only he called me 'chief' . He did say that James Tour doesn't understand OOL research ?!?! It appears it might be pointless talking to him .
@@minimum20mins Is chief a term of endearment do you think? I was trying to be as positive about being his bud as possible lol. TBH I am impressed he is still replying to my comments and he sure isn't happy about the ranking his school got.
Are you planning to discuss the “faint sun paradox”? Also, where did the “simple” chemicals originate? Making ammonia, methane, etc. is not a simple process. Where did the water come from?
no friend, it is not. The people James Tour cited said Dr Tour was "misinterpreting", "lying about", and "misunderstanding" their work. JUST THIS SHOULD SAY ALL ABOUT PROF TOUR. The choice is yours: just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because prof Dave ACTUALLY explains how things works AND WHY TOUR IS DEEPLY WRONG. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust this sad man, it's up to you. I understand could be scary for you to discover that Tour is a liar but if you have the courage just watch and judge for yourself. Good luck
A person does Not need to have a Phd (or even an undergraduate degree) to question the validity of the Abiogenesis Hypothesis, or any hypothesis. As long as people have an understanding of basic scientific principles, common sense, and open mindedness to seek the truth, they can come to a more accurate conclusion for themselves. Basic Science 101: Wikipedia 2021, “A hypothesis (plural hypotheses) is a proposed explanation for a phenomenon. For a hypothesis to be a scientific hypothesis, the SCIENTIFIC METHOD requires that one can TEST IT … Even though the words "hypothesis" and "theory" are often used synonymously, a scientific hypothesis is NOT the same as a scientific theory.” Hypothesis is also referred to as a Hypothetical or Educated GUESS. Wikipedia 2021, "In evolutionary biology, abiogenesis, or informally the origin of life (OoL),is the natural process by which life has arisen from non-living matter, such as simple organic compounds. While the details of this process ARE STILL UNKNOWN, the prevailing scientific HYPOTHESIS is that the transition from non-living to living entities was not a single event [i.e. spontaneous generation]... There are several principles and HYPOTHESES for how abiogenesis COULD HAVE occurred." One of the reasons that abiogensis is merely a "hypothesis" and has not advanced to the status of being a "scientific theory", is that abiogenesis hypotheses still lack the experimental data required by the scientific method. Abiogenesis Hypothesis has passed the scientific method process zero (0) times.
Thank you Dr Tour. Even though, at this stage, I am unable to follow some of your dialogue in Depth I can see honesty and Truth shining through. Your Christian conviction adds to the value of your teachings. This gives even greater meaning to the gospel teaching," Seek the Truth and the Truth will set you free. The gift of insight that God Has given you is a wonderful testimony to your Christian Faith. Thank you. John B.
The choice is yours: just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because prof Dave ACTUALLY explains how things works AND WHY TOUR IS DEEPLY WRONG. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust this sad man, it's up to you. I understand could be scary for you to discover that Tour is a liar but if you have the courage just watch and judge for yourself. Good luck
These videos are fantastic! I find this topic so interesting. I don’t have a background in science so I was not really sure I was going to be able to understand much of what you had to say, but you did a better then expected job of explaining things so that someone like myself can understand.
@@derhafi thanks for your comments, Rob! As I stated above, I am not a scientist or someone who has studied this topic enough to debate it with you. I think you would enjoy a more fruitful conversation with others in this post who seem to be equipped to speak on this topic. I am going to try and learn more about this topic at some point, but until then, I just don't feel comfortable debating it.
@@sjkay06 Friend don't underrate yourself, just watch the Prof Dave reply to this video and (trust me, seriously, trust me) you will see an elegant, super honest evidence-based TOTAL debunk of this liars, it is an awesome simple experience enriched by the participation of Profs SPECIALIZED in the fields addressed in this video. Prof Dave also exposes prof Tour by showing how he deliberate cut a video of another prof just to fit his 'argument', very dishonest. TRUST ME, watch it and then judge.
The people James Tour cited said Dr Tour was "misinterpreting", "lying about", and "misunderstanding" their work. JUST THIS SHOULD SAY ALL ABOUT PROF TOUR. The choice is yours: just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because prof Dave ACTUALLY explains how things works AND WHY TOUR IS DEEPLY WRONG. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust this sad man, it's up to you. I understand could be scary for you to discover that Tour is a liar but if you have the courage just watch and judge for yourself. Good luck
''EXPLANATIONS''??? REALLY??? The choice is yours: just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because prof Dave ACTUALLY explains how things works AND WHY TOUR IS DEEPLY WRONG. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust this sad man, it's up to you. Good luck
Why do creationists NEVER provide evidence FOR creation? What is Tour's explanation for the creation of a fully-formed human male from silicates? What is the evidence that this is possible?
Implicit in the argument is the need for intelligence to bring about "the creation" or by extension life. That intelligence is responsible for creation. “Creationists" as you call them conclude that what appears to be created had an intelligent creator, which is commonly understood from our own human creative abilities. It is not hidden, or never said, it is right there in the very word you used, "creationists."
@@HoneybunMegapack my last comment was removed, probably because I was being scholarly and added a link to a cited document. Oh well. So correct me of I am wrong, you are suggesting matter, space, and time are eternal? (Meaning they have always existed)
@@HoneybunMegapack energy cannot be eternal unless you are defining eternal as a finite. The 2nd law of thermodynamics the energy would have resulted in thermal equilibrium due to entropy. I am curious why does energy transfer to a different state such as electric energy to light and heat energy? Does this happen spontaneously? It appears it happens in relation to matter, as if matter acted as a catalyst. Energy is without mass unless it is being measured in a significantly energized particle. Interesting stuff. I will say your argument is one I had to research as I don't know much in the field of quantum theory. I am not convinced your argument makes a ton of logical sense to me, a nonexpert. But I appreciate your comments!
@@HoneybunMegapack your ladder analogy doesn't work. A ladder cannot he infinite in both directions. The mere fact that we are on the ladder implies that the ladder had a beginning, if not we would have never gotten on. For example if time was infinite in the past, today would never have arrived. Is there evidence to make you conclude that the universe will collapse back onto itself? Gravity is the exact force that allows the universe to expand while still allowing particles to such as life to form but not strong enough to pull the matter back into itself. If the universe was to collapse back unto itself the universe expanse should be slowing, which is not what we are seeing. Observable engery is only 6 percent of energy, the other 94 percent is dark energy which is the force causing the expansion of the universe.
unfortunately is wrong. The people James Tour cited said Dr Tour was "misinterpreting", "lying about", and "misunderstanding" their work. JUST THIS SHOULD SAY ALL ABOUT PROF TOUR. The choice is yours: just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because prof Dave ACTUALLY explains how things works AND WHY TOUR IS DEEPLY WRONG. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust this sad man, it's up to you. I understand could be scary for you to discover that Tour is a liar but if you have the courage just watch and judge for yourself. Good luck
Yes. DNA and RNA only have four “letters” to store information with, but sugars are much more complicated. Technically the DNA and RNA are coding for the 20 amino acids, but each amino acid can only be linked up in one particular way. Glucose alone has 4 sites that can be modified (4 -OH groups that can react), so the number of ways that glucose molecules alone can connect with each other is almost infinite. Living things use multiple sugars and connect them in many multiple ways. The myriad of branching patterns that are formed for cell surface proteins or lipids attest to its information-storing capacity.
@@jpneiswi Thank you for answering my question. I wondered about it because a fellow by the name of Gilad. Seemed to have had problems with the statement Dr James gave at 12:48 about sugars having more info then dna & rna. Gilad commented about it underneath Dr James pinned comment about 6 hours ago if you want to check it out.
I love how James Tour is doing and saying the exact, identical, same, identical and also same thing as Flat-Earthers, really hammering home that all Science-Denial and Conspiracys are blood-related. For people to believe that something fundamentally proven and totally known is 'just wrong, lol', you must first play Make-Belief and pretend that theres not only some 'Mainstream-Science', which there isnt, theres just Science, but also that those people are CLUELESS. But dontcha worry, cause Tour is a "real Scientist! Unlike all those Millions of fake-scientists!!!" It's literally identical and the same as what all conspiracys have to say. I mean, LITERALLY, Tour has the same things to say about Scientists than Healing-Crystal-Sellers and all the Flat-Earthers: That's not me speaking in Metaphors, WHAT THEY SAY IS WELL DOCUMENTED, so excuse me for comparing the words and being like 'Oh, this is literally 100% identical'. ITS ALL PSEUDOSCIENCE; this guy is just a bit better at pretending he's Science, but he's not. He's pseudoscience and at ties even anti-science. Science and Religion both disagree with him.
@@loturzelrestaurant Dr. James Tour is a brilliant scientist and in his considerations of the origin of life he was emphatic and perfect. You may not like it, that's your right. You can scream that it's pseudoscience and compare it to Flat-Earthers. But in this case, it's your fault. Have a good day.
@@ricardofolive Do you not realize something about your comment? It adresses zero points i made in my comment and just spews random praise for Tour. Did you not notice that while writing??
@@loturzelrestaurant Yeap. Tour deserve it. I do not intend to enter into fruitless debates. I only expressed my opinion in favor of the brilliant Doctor Tour, and I expressed my disagreement with your comparison of what he says with flat-earth advocates. It is my humble opinion. Is it still possible to express opinions that differ from yours?
yes, a big fan of ignorance. TRUST ME, I don't want to provocate u, just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself.
This is a quote from an article by Education Week dated March 06, 2019 on the credentials of Dave Farina: "Farina, who taught in high school and undergraduate classrooms for 10 years before turning into a TH-camr, received a bachelor’s degree in chemistry from Minnesota’s Carleton College and a master’s in chemistry and science education at California State University. His career included a full-time position teaching chemistry, biology, and physics at a private school in Hollywood, and substitute teaching in the San Francisco Bay Area, before transitioning to lecturing at a trade university." However, this is not accurate. This is another example of media hype. Dave actually never finished the Master's program, though he made two attempts. According to Dave, on his first attempt, he dropped out to play music in a band, and on his second attempt, he lost his job teaching undergraduate chemistry at SCUHS, and could not continue his Master's. Therefore, his highest academic credentials are a Bachelor degree in chemistry from Carleton college, and he taught an undergraduate course for about 4 semesters (approximately 2 years) at a private college called the Southern California University of Health Sciences, which offers two year degrees. One should note, however, that Dave is not qualified to teach undergraduate level chemistry without a Master's degree.
@@settledown444 In short, prior to TH-cam, Dave may have had 10 years of teaching experience at the level of high school and a trade university. Facts are important, even if hype is more popular.
@@settledown444 Dave is unconsciously ignorant and needs to learn a lot more before he teaches with authority. The inability to take correction is a further sign of unconscious ignorance.
@@settledown444 I personally consider someone like James Tour an expert and highly qualified to educate the public on OOL research, because abiogenesis deals with pre-biotic chemistry and synthesis of atomic structures using such pre-biotic chemistry. James Tour has a wealth of knowledge and practical experience in this very field of synthesising such atomic structures. In fact, he is better qualified than most these OOL researchers who have little to no experience in the practicalities of the field such as in commercial applications. He is the perfect person to criticise OOL.
@@settledown444 I would not characterise James Tour as a coward. Quite on the contrary. It is curious that reality is always the opposite of what you claim. Dave is unconsciously ignorant even in the field that he holds a Bachelor degree. Imagine his technical skill in any other field? He has just been seriously schooled, but I'm doubtful that he has either the intellectual honesty or the moral capacity to learn from his mistakes. Let's see if Dave will thank Dr Tour, admit his mistakes, and move on as a better person and a better educator.
@@settledown444 I have been a subscriber to Dave Farina for some time already. But stunts like attacking James Tour, who is a genuinely nice guy and an expert in his field, is a stupid move that will damage Dave's reputation. Learn a lesson and stop digging your intellectual grave deeper.
The people James Tour cited said Dr Tour was "misinterpreting", "lying about", and "misunderstanding" their work. JUST THIS SHOULD SAY ALL ABOUT PROF TOUR. The choice is yours: just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because prof Dave ACTUALLY explains how things works AND WHY TOUR IS DEEPLY WRONG. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust this sad man, it's up to you. I understand could be scary for you to discover that Tour is a liar but if you have the courage just watch and judge for yourself. Good luck
Good day to you Dr James Tour 🙂 thanks for speaking with clarity and distinguishing quotes. I'm highly interested in origin of all living, breathing things. Learned individuals such as yourself and I are important to Others who are searching for meaning in life. Because of my passion for the BEAUTY STRENGTH CREATION shouts out to me ; I'm always searching for Bonafide sources of interest. As long as you and I are alive 😊 we will continue to learn more 🦋🦋🦋
"I'm highly interested in origin of all living, breathing things." And all necessary dependencies of those? What if those things require parts/processes that are not living or breathing, like you and all humans that require DNA, atoms, molecules, electrons, quarks, energy, etc.; guided, controlled and highly-specified by blind, non-living, unintelligent, mindless, purposeless laws of nature, that have none of the properties of life, but are essential for it?
@@ja31472 every one of those things you mention are difficult topics and not even considered THE hard problems. Do you even understand it? Dr James tour is discussing a hard problem. His scholar index is 165, someone with 20 is good, someone with 60 is excellent. Dr James Tour is well… over the roof…
@@logic8673 "Dr James Tour is well… over the roof…" And Einstein was over the roof as far as theoretical physics, and STILL make the biggest blunder in history. In life origins, Tour isn't "over the roof". Tour hasn't got one single paper published in life origins, which is a multi-disciplinary area at the intersection of chemistry, biology, geology, physics and astronomy. Tour knows no biology. Tour knows no geology. Tour knows no physics or astronomy. Tour only knows how to manufacture certain specific molecules, which aren't even related to life. Tour knows synthetic chemistry, not life origins. Tour has ZERO contributions to life origins science, and has gone on record saying he will never invest any research time in that area. You have been duped. You have fallen for a fallacy of composition or appeal to false authority, or something similar; mistaking something being true of one, therefore it's true of all, and confusing expertise in one specific area with something vaguely related, just because they have the same names, "chemicals". Do you consult your car mechanic for medical advise? I think not. "every one of those things you mention are difficult topics and not even considered THE hard problems." No, they WERE hard, at sometime in history. Now they're either solved by science or we know enough to say they're not hard anymore. All things were hard at one time. To those that lack education, all things are still hard. "His scholar index is 165" All in synthetic chemistry. None in life origins. Tour hasn't got one single paper published in life origins. Tour is like a nuclear engineer telling an astrophysicist how stars form, and the astrophysicist is laughing at him. You have been duped. Tour is saying: 1) First you need to get 10^30 kg of hydrogen gas. That's impossible! We don't know how to do that!!!! 2) Next, you need to compress so much that the nuclei at the center start fusing. That's impossible!!! We have no clue how to do that either!!! 3) Finally you need to somehow keep billions of tons of force on each molecule so that the fusion reaction is sustained for 4+ billion years. Again, we have NO CLUE!!!!! It's so laughable I can't believe how many idiots are swallowing his garbage. It's all irrelevant. NONE of that stuff matters. Nature doesn't work like you and does not design and manufacture molecules like Tour does in a lab. It just doesn't work that way.
The choice is yours: just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because prof Dave ACTUALLY explains how things works AND WHY TOUR IS DEEPLY WRONG. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust this sad man, it's up to you. I understand could be scary for you to discover that Tour is a liar but if you have the courage just watch and judge for yourself. Good luck
I'm sure he's loving this actually... he's in it for the money, not for the pursuit of truth. Activists love the attention...even if it makes him look more foolish. Fools need a king too.
The people James Tour cited said Dr Tour was "misinterpreting", "lying about", and "misunderstanding" their work.The choice is yours: just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because prof Dave ACTUALLY explains how things works AND WHY TOUR IS DEEPLY WRONG. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust this sad man, it's up to you. I understand could be scary for you to discover that Tour is a liar but if you have the courage just watch and judge for yourself. Good luck
12:18 Good Day Mr. James, I am still a beginner with the topic, can you please define impurities and assess it's value to the collective theory of Abiogenesis?
@@derhafi That's exactly what I was thinking about! These morons are always baseless and are settled to some idea that NEVER reflects the whole picture of the reality
Thank you to those who have provided feedback on the background music. Use of elements such as background music is intentional in certain places, for example, during parts an average listener may find monotonous and will stop watching. (TH-cam analytics provides us meaningful drop off data on viewers.) Our research shows that background music and other elements keep these viewers engaged. We understand those having scientific prowess who come strictly for the technical content may prefer to not have music or may find it distracting, but we made an intentional decision to prioritize the retention of those viewers who may drop off and stop watching over the preference of those who come for the technical content and will stay and watch regardless.
As to the music volume, we will look into that and can only potentially address that in Episode 3 and beyond. (Episode 2 and prior has already been prepped for TH-cam.)
Thanks again for your feedback. Also, understand this series was produced for Dr. Tour pro bono, and the producer hasn't slept in weeks in order to roll out these videos. Your kind words will go a long way!
A massive thank you to the producer!
You sir , are such a classy Christian. I appreciate you and your time. Thank you for all you do. You truly are doing the Lords work. We are so blessed to have you as a brethren! Love you.
Thank you ..... understood now
Love the background music,it’s lit 🔥 :)
Fantastic series Dr. Tour!
I remember going through this stuff at the start of my health science degree and just being boggled by how big the gap between organic chemistry and biology/bio chemistry was. I remember the reading the textbooks definition of a cell as the smallest unit of life. So technically any single part of a cell is not alive on it’s own but combined it is considered alive. As soon as I read that I knew we have literally no idea what life is. I’ve spent the rest of my life thinking about it and it still blows my mind
Wow that's heavy
"Life" is a word most people use without asking deeper questions. It's probably because it is so visibly in contrast to death for large organisms. Is a virus alive? Is that a useful question in biology? We tend to think in handed down categories. If you do that you cannot be a good researcher in my view. Few have open spirits and the ability to relativize existing categories of thinking and see new creations of categories only as vehicles of thoughts (models). No real scientist thinks that she or he finds absolute truths. There is no such thing in science.
Seems pretty shallow.
@@scooter325 well show us your deep thought about life then?
best comment ever
My children and I are watching this series and doing some serious learning!🎉
I thank God for Dave. God works all things together for good.
I thank God for this brother, Jim Tour and all the others who helped produce this content
God bless you all and prosper the works of your hands.💞
Greetings, this is Pastor Mike. I love this kind of teaching, Dr. Tour. It's not my area of knowledge, but that doesn't matter. Wherever the genuine truth rises, and it glorifies GOD directly or indirectly, I'm on board to try to understand it! I'm slowly learning the varied terminology you use (I'll catch on). This work you're doing to reveal the realities about abiogenesis and the origin of life is, in my opinion, essential to the overall search for truth. GOD's People and people in general need to realize what it takes to go from chemistry to biology! It appears to be very complicated and precise. I have always wondered how the DNA molecule, complete with vast amounts of information, can arise from a mindless, unguided natural process!?! Thank you for all your efforts! Many blessings! From Pastor Mike Benjamins, Jr. of Oregon, USA. 1-23-24 at 2:23 A.M. Oregon Time.
I want to express my gratitude and appreciation for Dave Farina for taking the time to 'poke the bear' and allowing those of us who do believe in a Creator to learn more and enjoy the show with Dr. J. Tour's response.
I second that motion
Me too
Dave, doin good and he doesn't even know it! 😊
😁. *This is Sparta !!!*
@@judgementiscoming8016 ... and hopefully make some a little ‘Smarta’!!!
Good bless you producer! Whoever you are, wherever you are!!
Thanks, Dr. Tour! Everyone...if you watch these presentations...come back when finished and watch this Intro again. I happily powered through all 13 episodes, carrying my computer around the house with me as I cooked and cleaned. Now, I am returning to watch again with more intentionality. The INTRO pulls together so many of the different aspects of OOL research explained in all of the episodes, giving greater clarity to me about the significant differences between biology and chemistry. Yes...we can all recite, "chemistry is about chemicals," but the lines of language and education have become so blurred. It makes us imagine that chemicals can evolve just like the speckled moth. We owe you, Dr. Tour, a great debt of gratitude for all the time and energy you and your team put into these episodes!!!!
@@slevinchannel7589 Wow!!! Your brilliance really shines forth in your comment, Slevin. Not.
@@slevinchannel7589 Insults? This seems to be your own mode of operation. Instead, why don't you pick one scientific claim from Tour and explain what is fallacious about it? If you are the repository of intellect, please share some of it with the rest of us.
@@slevinchannel7589 Once again, you are the best example of your own insults. Avoidance? Focus? I welcomed your own best scientific explanation or challenge to Tour, and you devolve to "poking me in the eye" because EVERY smart person in the universe agrees with you. I welcome your next and final insult. Final...because I have better things to do.
Watching this second time around now, and learning much more than I did the first time.
Thank you Dr. Tour, this has brought me back from the loneliness of faithlessness. I am a Believer and one of the lost sheep returned to His Shepherd.
The people James Tour cited said Dr Tour was "misinterpreting", "lying about", and "misunderstanding" their work.
Beautiful. Welcome back! 🙏🏾
Like "professor" Dave, I taught high school chemistry. While I never ever accepted evolution as a possible explanation for life,, I didn't know why it was impossible until I studied chemistry.
The concept that most convinced me of its futility was something chemists call spontaneity. Which is Dr. Tour's argument in a nut shell.
Non chemists better understand the concept in the macro world. For example, if you drop a drinking glass on a tiled floor it "spontaneously" breaks into a thousand pieces. The theoretical process of the pieces reforming the glass is nonspontaneous.
This is very similar to atoms forming complex structures like proteins. That process is highly nonspontaneous just like the shattered pieces of glass reforming a drinking glass.
Thank you for the good and easy example
I don't believe abiogenesis to be possible. However, I always believed in evolution but always had serious doubts about the modern synthesis explanation. Epigenetics has since answered those real doubts and has reinforced my disbelief in abiogenesis because the algorithm-like information is found in all life and so the very first living organism had this information which is impossible by chance.
That's an interesting argument. I haven't heard that one before or atleast put like that.
@@iain5615 where does the new information for evolution come from ? example is antibiotic resistant bacteria , it is now known that resistance to antibiotics has not evolved , it was always there , but it comes at a price for the bacteria , like cutting your arms off to prevent them breaking , you will live but be less productive , does evolution create new information ?
@@philiphall4805 fossil records show a clear lineage of evolution but DNA mutation does not explain it. However, there is empirical proof. In a study they removed the DNA sequence for the flagellum and the actual flagellum and put these immobile bacteria into a dish. For a while they sat there and happily ate. Then as the food became scarce within a few generations some bacteria had grown new flagellum by sequencing other genes to achieve this. This is purely due to epigenetics and nothing to do with DNA mutation.
Truly refreshing to have the actual scientific evidence explained instead of explained away to support whats
become an ideology of intentional ignorance .
REALLY??? The choice is yours: just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because prof Dave ACTUALLY explains how things works AND WHY TOUR IS DEEPLY WRONG. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust this sad man, it's up to you. Good luck
My phd was in enantioselective catalysis (heck reaction with enol ethers with a redox relay). I just found these videos. Excellent analysis so far. Haven't found anything to critique yet; but then again, I've said some of these things for years
You don't have a high school diploma, let alone a PhD.
ID is pure speculation. Minds without [naturally-grow/operated] brains is a fairy-tale for gullible, uneducated adults.
The basis of the world's major religions is blind faith and logical fallacies; i.e. circular reasoning. ID says:
Complexity/information/codes require intelligence, but science says intelligence requires complex, information-packed, DNA codes that are necessary for cells to grow into brains, which are necessary for intelligence.
No observation or demonstration of intelligent minds without those parts has been observed [1].
Nature creating unimaginable complexity has been directly observed, billions of times. For example, see embryology, growth/development science, anatomy, and physiology for how blind, unconscious natural processes changed you from a dumb, unconscious, single fertilized cell into a semi-intelligent/conscious human.
[1] Note that even if computer AI or some other human invention were to be intelligent, that is not salvation for ID, because all computers need engineers (with brains) before they can exist, and thus are not an alternative to brains, long before humans existed.
Love the video. I’m a Ph.D. Chemist, but mostly i do analytical these days.
No you are not a PhD chemist, if you think this video is factual. I bet that you will not dare list the link to your doctoral dissertation; do you have one?
thank you for the hard work Dr. James.
The World needs to hear this, I would love to translate your videos..? Spanish and Portuguese.
My college age children in medical school and clinical psychology study your videos. We have youth groups to our home to watch your videos. You sir, are our hero.
What a shame.
Simply great..
Keep on going with truth Dr James tour..
I recommend Anirban Bandyopadhyay response on closer to truth about "Non-biological consciousness"
And here is my riposte:
"Lymphaters Formula" by Stanisław Lem (MIT Press 2022)
Trouble is I don't think Penrose-Hameroff Theory leads to such literalistic panpsychism.
Sir Roger Penrose interpretation of Quantum may be very likely correct but this should not be understood as "every vibrating atom in the Universe is conscious".
There are several arguments why this is erroneous and one of them is Bernardo Kastrups (I don't agree with his philosophy but I think this one argument is valid" criticism states that particles are not building bricks nor beadles but are excitations in Fields...
And for some reason Evolution of complex and conscious Life 3,15 bilion years of work- if we assume the least anthropocentric view that Ediacaran Sincithia were already conscious (and single cell was already a miracle from physicalist point of view and we still don't quite understand abiogenesis no one ever explained how proteins formed in primordial soup as their are hard/impossible to synthesize in water!)
So although one can theoretically imagine such Machina Lymphateris based on Penrose-Hameroff Theory I think much more plausible that we are just missing something Big in Physics that would account for what's life and its Evolution (Darwin has proven that Evolution is full of errors and no one steers it sure, but he also has a disproven ideas of Saint Thomas Aquinas about "spontaneous generation" and "humans being created by God from clay").
No
We are no Boltzmann Brains, we are products of millions of evolving generations!
Therefore if Penrose-Hameroff are correct I don't think evoking Dualism or Idealism is necessary for belief that consciousness cannot be non-biological. Neutral Monism suffies.
After saying that I cannot exclude and would find quite fascinating possibility if we could in several centuries from now discover perhaps on "island of stability" some naturally nonexistent but physically possible element that would be vibrating and could serve for Enhanced Life better than carbon in the Penrose-Hameroff framework and perhaps just as Feng Zhang discovery opened limitless possibilities of Germ Line Crispr and self Evolution. We will be able to introduce into living cell this new "magical element" and eventually Evolve enhanced Life based on this new "Lymphaterian" chemistry rather than on carbon.
But it's a veery long shot.
But yeah. Just as Francis Bacon had said about Space flight in about 250 years and was precise.
Like me please
Dr Tour is great
Just ran across this series and eating it up! I appreciate you're keeping all academic while laying it all out there on the line for serious objections to the science presented. I am watching for replies from serious objectors but can only hope they keep it as thorough and factual as you're being. No snippets and hit-and-run attacks...
“...for it is He that has made us, and not we ourselves.”
can you give us a quote reference plz?
@@robertkcoulston7660 Psalms 100.
@@mobelue Baaaa-aaaa
@@zac3392 if that is a sheep impersonation, that would be Psalms 23. Lol.
@@mobelue Lol the next line is “we are his people and the sheep of his pasture...” as kids in church we would always try to catch that next pause with a “Baaaaa” 😝
God bless you Dr. James Tour ❤️🕊
which god? Allah??? Christ??? Visnu??? All religions are man-made bs to control little minded people and I have to admit, seems to work well.
Thank you for making these. I am not a chemist but I know a few. I would be interested to see what they think. I have always been interested in math and just the fact that everything in our known world has a mathematical rhythm, is amazing! How could something so perfect be made by chance? It has always boggled me how easily we believe a theory with no hard evidence. I have never really considered the very first starting point!!! It is very interesting and I look forward to watching the rest of your videos.
By the way, my nephew no longer speaks to me because I believe God created life. He said he has lost all respect for me because I still believe in God. He said evolution is a proven fact and that scientists are VERY close to proving abiogenesis. I thank you and other scientists for your clear description of the problems scientists continue to have with regard to abiogenesis.
Stay strong and pray Linda, sometimes the battle is long and arduous but God is with you.
He’s just a young kid he’ll figure it out if you pray for him.
Please recommend him this video series. And recommend Dr. Stephen Meyer's books also.
I have sent him some videos, but he won't listen to them. He is very anti-God. He is also very progressive (green energy, more than one gender, etc.) and just thinks I'm old and have no brain cells left. I think I have lost this battle. I will keep praying for him 🙏
@@SuperCodemeister I will be praying for him too.
Btw what's his name ?
I have a Mensa Diplom and i can say that your video is so welcomed and important not just from point of view of apollogeico-science but a poit of view of christians scientists defensive/atheism agresivity (as you said: "little knowing but hight confident people", or making people aware of Dunning-Kruger effekt in this case).
The people James Tour cited said Dr Tour was "misinterpreting", "lying about", and "misunderstanding" their work. JUST THIS SHOULD SAY ALL ABOUT PROF TOUR. The choice is yours: just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because prof Dave ACTUALLY explains how things works AND WHY TOUR IS DEEPLY WRONG. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust this sad man, it's up to you. I understand could be scary for you to discover that Tour is a liar but if you have the courage just watch and judge for yourself. Good luck
Loving this series from one of the world's best scientists! Thanks Dr James Tour!
@Kitalia the kitsune How tf sad you are, anyway IF YOU REALLY CARE ABOUT WELL SPELLING, watch the Prof Dave reply to all this bs and let's see if you'll have the courage to recognize the total debunk he did to this liar prof Tour. JUST WATCH IT and judge for yourself.
The fact that someone as accomplished as you with all the accolades would make time to do these videos for free is truly a gift. Thank you!
The man was made to look an utter muppet by Dave, of course he will try and save face.
I cannot fathom how many hours it is going to take to put this series together.
Thank you Dr. Tour!
The choice is yours: just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because prof Dave ACTUALLY explains how things work AND WHY TOUR IS DEEPLY WRONG. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust this sad man, it's up to you.
@@nathanspark4876 Seriously?! Dave is phony as a three dollar bill!
Prof Dave Failed 2 attempts at a Masters degree! He was fired as a teacher!
He makes his money off of TH-cam!
Dave needs click bait controversy to make $$$$$!!!!!. Get real! Dave is a two bit TH-camr!!!!!
Have you looked at Dr. Tour's credentials?!!!
What are we doing dueling PhD's now?
@@derhafi ====== Like what Rob Davis? Abiogenesis happened how? Do tell us here please on this thread. How did your brain, an organic computer that is allowing you to think because of complex formulaic chemical reactions with metabolic pathways along with complex biological structures inside of your head and giving you the abilities of thinking patterns and consciousness from out of dirt? How did this happen Rob Davis by so-called accident like the big bang where the laws of physics came from? ==== Evolution = Self Assembling Atoms = Impossible ====
@@derhafi why don't you give some examples?
Dr Tour, Thank you for injecting repeatable and verifiable science back in to the discussion. For those who are really seeking truth;
1) Remember, the terms "time and randomness" are NOT scientific terms
2) Run away from anyone who says they are a scientist and when challenged, spew insults and vulgarity.
Better distance yourself from Jimbo Tour then...
Remember this when listening to Dr Tour's explanation. Fairytales are easier to understand than truthful and detailed explanations using chemistry.
That's why the Fairytale of "it formed over millions of years" is so intriguing.
Dave: /doesn't get it/
Tour: Maybe if I say the same exact thing, but slooowwweeeerrrr
XKCD: So, how long did you make this series?
Tour: Oh, it's somewhere between 0-13 byrs long.
Dave: Could you be a bit more specific?
Tour: It's about as long as the process of Abiogenesis.
Once upon a time in galaxy far far away ..... s fairytale for gullible adults
@Manuel Leão did anyone actually believe that theory before the silly “ aliens” movie came out?
The problem is that ‘Agenda’ (using deceptively manipulated data pushed with propaganda) can masquerade as "Science" in some of the most fundamental and important areas in society. Biogenesis has already passed the scientific method countless times. Abiogenesis has passed the scientific method 0 times. Pseudoscience is “a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.” By definition, Abiogenesis is classified as “Pseudoscience”.
Is that what they teach at The Lion of Multiple Wives University?
Finally! It’s time for schooling the loud undisciplined kids out there. They should learn to stay quiet when more knowledgeable people talk.
It’s time to get serious when talking science. I look forward to watching this series. Thank you Dr Tour for explaining this for the rest of us. I know how difficult it is to express difficult things in layman terms. It’s very much appreciated.
Well said Jan👍
YES!!!
"They should learn to stay quiet when more knowledgeable people talk."
That includes Tour, you and 99.9% of the people making comments here, because unless you have a degree in a physical science AND have contributed to _life origins research_ by publishing peer-reviewed works in a legitimate science journal (which Tour has not), *you don't have the discipline or knowledge to tell who is knowledgeable about life origins.*
Simply put, most creationists can't tell who has true/accurate/reliable scientific knowledge and who doesn't.
They don't know what science is, don't know the methods, protocols, or elements of science. Those who do, like Tour, *choose not to follow* those protocols when there is conflict between science and his religion.
Most people here do not follow true/accurate knowledge or have the ability to recognize legitimate science, they follow other things like who loves jesus more, who has more kids, and who can defend their faith (with bogus gap fallacies).
Tour has said many times saying he doesn't know how life got started on earth, yet contradicts himself and believes the cause of life is something like himself (a [intelligent] synthetic chemical engineer).
His belief is faith-based, not science-based, because he says:
"The scientific proof [of ID] is not there." [1]
----Dr. James Tour, Ph.D. in synthetic chemistry
*Tour has no published works of science in life origins* and no other scientist doing life origins research has cited any of his papers. He is totally silent in peer-reviewed research when it comes to life origins, because:
1) It is not his field, his field is chemical engineering, which is not life origins science.
2) He has nothing to add to science when it comes to life origins, merely unsupported subjective opinion and gap fallacies.
3) He actively discourages his students from pursuing life origins science, due to a religious agenda.
[1] Full Quote: I (Dr. James Tour) have been labeled as an Intelligent Design (ID) proponent. I am not. I do not know how to use science to prove intelligent design although some others might. I am sympathetic to the arguments on the matter and I find some of them intriguing, but *the scientific proof is not there,* in my opinion. So I prefer to be free of that ID label.
''SCHOOLING''???? REALLY??? The choice is yours: just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because prof Dave ACTUALLY explains how things works AND WHY TOUR IS DEEPLY WRONG. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust this sad man, it's up to you. Good luck
Staying up for this one tonight here in the UK. God Bless you Dr Tour.
Damn it... I really don’t want to but I might have to do it too.
Complaining? Well, I am in Alhasa, saudi , 400am!!
God bless to all you from all over the world from the u.s.!! It makes me so happy to see brothers and sisters in Christ from all over the world.
Why stay up? It'll still be on TH-cam after.
@@Addarraj Christian ?
Not that we need you to prove there is a designer, but I am so thankful that you are there for a reference on the complexity what is this world. God bless you and your ministry
The people James Tour cited said Dr Tour was "misinterpreting", "lying about", and "misunderstanding" their work.The choice is yours: just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because prof Dave ACTUALLY explains how things works AND WHY TOUR IS DEEPLY WRONG. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust this sad man, it's up to you. I understand could be scary for you to discover that Tour is a liar but if you have the courage just watch and judge for yourself. Good luck
Regarding the topic of propaganda, one thing is certain. Dissenting views/comments are blocked or censored on "other Science YT channels" that have over 1 Million subs. "Why isn't open discussion permitted on those 'other Science YT channels'?", one begins to ask. Meanwhile, Dr. Tour has allowed people of doubtful intent to post extremely dissenting views and opinions (some of which could be considered libel with defamation of character against Dr. Tour) on his YT channel videos without censorship of such comments. Historically, the only communities/societies where censorship of dissenting views is practiced are not considered open societies or democratic in nature and often promulgate a certain agenda using propaganda.
I am a physician and am amazed that human body has on the order of 10^21 chemical reactions PER SECOND and they are all interrelated. My job is to keep to keep these reactions working properly which eventually develop problems. There had to be a designer.
Deeper questions are how does an original thought arise. If it is from random chemical reactions, then anything you think about has no validity. But if we are made in the image of God, then he was the one who gave us that gift. C.S Lewis said it best:
If minds are wholly dependent on brains and brains on biochemistry, and biochemistry (in the long run) on the meaningless flux of the atoms, I cannot understand how the thought of those minds should have any more significance than the sound of the wind in the trees
The only patron saint I have! Thanks Dr. Tour!
Thanks Dr. Tour.
Also, if anyone reading this comment has any unbelieving family members or friends I encourage you to show them Pastor Mike Winger's Evidence for the Bible series. It's really well made.
God bless
Brilliant! Pleasure listening to this brilliant man! Thank you!
Somebody is lying alright. And trying to pull the wool over our eyes. But it's definitely not Dr. Tour.
You are one of the human reasons, why I became devoted to my savior Jesus Christ!!!
Proverbs 11:30
King James Version
30 The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life; and he that winneth souls is wise.
Nice!! This guy is certainly a breath of fresh air! He knows his subject, is articulate, and can smoke the God haters like it’s a jr varsity track meet lolz!
Hallelujah
@@derhafi do you have a PhD? Have you produced any scientific papers? Can you state one thing he got wrong and give us proof he is incorrect? I'm guessing the answer is no to all of the above but I'd love to be wrong.
That's all fine if you like but it doesn't explain anything about how this process actually worked. To do that we need science.
I appreciate your courtesy to Dave, as well as your invitation for critique with foundation. You sir, are a gentlemen, and are acting like your Master, who also represents [is] the truth; science is the search for truth; what a perfect fit. We need more people like you. God bless you, your family, and your work.
TRUST ME, I don't want to provocate u, just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself.
@@nathanspark4876 I've seen Professor Dave's supposed debunking of Dr. Tour's arguments. I'm not impressed. It's nothing more than a series of misleading rabbit trails skirting around the obvious truth that Dr Tour presents. Professor Dave comes off as a rather arrogant and rude fellow in his replies to anyone that disagrees with him as well.
Thanks Dr. Tour and the team. You have helped me and many friends to understand the complexity involved.
You came to him agreeing and left in agreement crazy how that happens
No friend, he didn't.The choice is yours: just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because prof Dave ACTUALLY explains how things works AND WHY TOUR IS DEEPLY WRONG. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust this sad man, it's up to you. Good luck
As per the research I've done, logically, through theories of physics, historically, biologically the claims of the bible is coherent.
What Dr. Tour says is inline with the claims of the bible.
@@sura_lanka What makes you qualified to do research? Do you have a degree in logic, math, physics, history, and/or biology?
"What Dr. Tour says is inline with the claims of the bible"
Agreed, but the bible is not "inline" with any science.
May God bless you Mr.Tour and all the good people involved in this endevour to educate the people and bring us all closer to the truth. Eventhough this work might not be all that financially rewarding, i am sure you know that the service to humanity and to the Creator of the heavens and the earth is great.
I am deeply grateful for all the work being provided by Jim and everyone involved and am very excited for the following episodes.
Best regards and much love.
The people James Tour cited said Dr Tour was "misinterpreting", "lying about", and "misunderstanding" their work.The choice is yours: just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because prof Dave ACTUALLY explains how things works AND WHY TOUR IS DEEPLY WRONG. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust this sad man, it's up to you. I understand could be scary for you to discover that Tour is a liar but if you have the courage just watch and judge for yourself. Good luck
Great and very informative! Thank you!
Dave got OWNED, thoroughly OWNED.
not even close. The choice is yours: just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because prof Dave ACTUALLY explains how things works AND WHY TOUR IS DEEPLY WRONG. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust this sad man, it's up to you. I understand could be scary for you to discover that Tour is a liar but if you have the courage just watch and judge for yourself. Good luck
Thanks God for your work Dr Jim
The analogy of the car for chemical assemblage on a planetary scale is perfectly exacerbated.
Building something that is significantly less complicated than a cell with deliberative intention without special insight or holistic knowledge of an integrated highly specialized system only goes to widen the chasm between mathematical probability and rational plausibility. Well done, Dr. Tour.
TRUST ME, I don't want to provocate u, just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself.
It doesn't widen any chasm and is totally irrelevant, for the simple reason that the *way humans work and the way they build artifacts is NOT how nature works.* All science, observation and evidence proves this, with no exceptions.
Tour's narrative about building an organism by first acquiring all necessary parts and assembling them as engineers assemble machines, is totally ludicrous and contrary to observation of how things in nature form, including you when you where grown naturally.
Your beliefs are due to a truly stunning ignorance of the most basic facts of natural science, and a dogmatic, deeply rooted, false, arrogant, childish, human-centric mindset that blindly asserts the way you work must be the only way and the way other things must work. Especially things that: 1) Are crucial to the existence of life (thus making you feel that you are important when you aren't), and 2) Haven't yet been explained by science, i.e. a you make a [god of] *gap fallacy.*
For example, how engineers _attempt and FAIL_ to build a nuclear fusion reactor is NOTHING like how nature did it successfully, billions of times. By the way, we know exactly how nature does it. See star formation in astrophysics. If we know exactly how nature does something, and still can't do it ourselves with all our intelligence, what does that tell you about why life origins is not solved?
How engineers build robots or replacement limbs/organs is nothing like how nature grew you from an unconscious, unintelligent spec of biomatter, to a conscious, semi-intelligent human.
To see how nature grew you, see *human growth and development science* or ask a medial doctor.
To see how nature allows you to grow, think, feel, heal, and ponder an imaginary perfect human called "god", see *biochemistry, anatomy, physiology, and neuroscience.*
Notice I've not mentioned evolution or any "historical" science, only directly observable processes you can see right now, that take place with no external intelligent control.
"mathematical probability and rational plausibility"
The probability of any outcome is always higher if it uses only parts and processes already directly observed (like those parts and chemical/physical processes that grow/change life right now), and plummets when appealing to any unobserved, unobservable, undescribed, unknown, complex systems, like a non-DNA-based intelligence.
The nail in the coffin of all god-based religions and ID is the fact that there is no demonstration of a mind without a brain (grown naturally, from DNA, among other parts).
Belief in ID is either *circular* (codes/information/complexity require intelligence, while science shows intelligence requires [DNA] codes, which are complex and contain information), or *faith-based* (faith in a non-DNA-based intelligence; one that doesn't depend on DNA to exist as humans do)
There is no faith in abiogenesis because it uses only what we already know allows life to grow, operate and change _right now,_ with nothing added (hence the reason it's science; minimal, parsimonious, most likely to be true).
@@ja31472 your response is hilarious. "There is no faith in abiogenesis".
Have you or anyone else ever observed it? Can you observe it? None of us were there, so it is based on faith.
Abiogenesis is based on the belief that all things happen through natural processes.
Perhaps it is time for you to stop being so condescending and realize that you don't know everything (nor do I).
Enjoy your day :)
This is very interesting and valuable information. I've much respect for James Tour's openness and his public involvement in a discussion like this. I admire his humble approach, with respect to the other person. Having watched some of Dave's content I concluded that Dave has a lot to learn when it comes to communication and behaviour. But he's a young man, so there's much hope.
REALLY??? The choice is yours: just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because prof Dave ACTUALLY explains how things works AND WHY TOUR IS DEEPLY WRONG. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust this sad man, it's up to you. Good luck
This is very high quality content. Dr. Tour, please look at the # of veiws. That is how many people that you have served by this video. Thank You. God Bless.
It was your explanation of the nearly impossible chances of life happening on its own which brought me to belief in the Christian God. Thank you. Your words saved my soul. God bless.
@@HoneybunMegapack you dont know that. Its just your assumption. Nobody was there to witness how it happened. So you and your 'religion' is a joke. But what do I expect from a person who believed he came from monkey origin?
What is misinterpreted? Can you give an example?
@@camonly849 all u will get from rob Davis is crickets
I recommend Anirban Bandyopadhyay response on closer to truth about "Non-biological consciousness"
And here is my riposte:
"Lymphaters Formula" by Stanisław Lem (MIT Press 2022)
Trouble is I don't think Penrose-Hameroff Theory leads to such literalistic panpsychism.
Sir Roger Penrose interpretation of Quantum may be very likely correct but this should not be understood as "every vibrating atom in the Universe is conscious".
There are several arguments why this is erroneous and one of them is Bernardo Kastrups (I don't agree with his philosophy but I think this one argument is valid" criticism states that particles are not building bricks nor beadles but are excitations in Fields...
And for some reason Evolution of complex and conscious Life 3,15 bilion years of work- if we assume the least anthropocentric view that Ediacaran Sincithia were already conscious (and single cell was already a miracle from physicalist point of view and we still don't quite understand abiogenesis no one ever explained how proteins formed in primordial soup as their are hard/impossible to synthesize in water!)
So although one can theoretically imagine such Machina Lymphateris based on Penrose-Hameroff Theory I think much more plausible that we are just missing something Big in Physics that would account for what's life and its Evolution (Darwin has proven that Evolution is full of errors and no one steers it sure, but he also has a disproven ideas of Saint Thomas Aquinas about "spontaneous generation" and "humans being created by God from clay").
No
We are no Boltzmann Brains, we are products of millions of evolving generations!
Therefore if Penrose-Hameroff are correct I don't think evoking Dualism or Idealism is necessary for belief that consciousness cannot be non-biological. Neutral Monism suffies.
After saying that I cannot exclude and would find quite fascinating possibility if we could in several centuries from now discover perhaps on "island of stability" some naturally nonexistent but physically possible element that would be vibrating and could serve for Enhanced Life better than carbon in the Penrose-Hameroff framework and perhaps just as Feng Zhang discovery opened limitless possibilities of Germ Line Crispr and self Evolution. We will be able to introduce into living cell this new "magical element" and eventually Evolve enhanced Life based on this new "Lymphaterian" chemistry rather than on carbon.
But it's a veery long shot.
But yeah. Just as Francis Bacon had said about Space flight in about 250 years and was precise.
Like me please
James Tour is great
You need to take credit for lacking the intellect to understand.
This guy absolutely fascinates me - makes everything sound so simple!
he is a fraud, actual chemists showed how almost everything he said was wrong and tried to make people belive in evangelicalism by lying. Do not trust this man!
The initial origin of life is especially mind boggling without a Creator. Thanks for this series Dr. Tour.
really? So abiogenesis is observable and this seems more strange to you to a ghost nobody has ever seen creating universe and then needing dust to create a single man and his rib to create a woman???? REALLY???
@@nathanspark4876 Yes, REALLY!!! I fully believe in an "invisible man in the sky". What, you expect him to reveal himself to you at your command?? The sad irony here is that he would love to reveal himself to you or "whosoever", but not to the proud and arrogant who think they got it figured out! Amazing to me how today's highly educated expect God to be visible to the naked eye or somehow accessible to us on our terms! God is invisible. And yet we (rightly) accept dozens and dozens of concepts and models that are not in any way visible to the naked eye, or even comprehensible to the mind (quantum mechanics, relativity, speed of light, size of earth, sun, solar system, galaxy, local group, galaxy clusters, superclusters, universe, molecules, atoms, protons, quarks, etc).
Your's and mine's "wisdom" and understanding about these matters is puny times ten to the minus 100 on a good day. We expect him to explain himself to us as though he owes us an explanation?? He doesn't owe anybody anything! Again, the irony is that he freely gives all things lovingly to all ("he makes his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust") and he abundantly explains many things in his word to those with hearing ears. It all depends on the heart, God is looking for honesty and humility and that's who he reveals himself to. Jesus said, "I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in thy sight." Matthew 11:25-26.
Awesome. I wish all science students could watch these. Most students have been bullied to dispose off their faith.
luckily science students doesnt and NEVER will watch this.The choice is yours: just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because prof Dave ACTUALLY explains how things works AND WHY TOUR IS DEEPLY WRONG. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust this sad man, it's up to you. I understand could be scary for you to discover that Tour is a liar but if you have the courage just watch and judge for yourself. Good luck
Bullying is exactly the term... as if atheists don't interpret data according their own circular materialist worldview
Professor Dave's inaccuracies so far: (The best of...)
1. Use of the word Biochemistry. Whilst biochemists do study OoL and biochemicals did exist before life, there was no biochemistry occuring in prebiotic reactions, just plain dead chemistry. Hence the field - prebiotic chemistry and the meaning of the word abiogenesis (origin without biology/non-biological origin). It's a contradiction of terms. It was strictly chemistry. (Anyone who disagrees with this, show me the biochemistry occuring before life began.)
2. Entropy/Thermodynamics argument is an ignorant fallacy?? - a great decrease in entropy WITH a great increase in energy, needed for life, has never ever been observed in the universe without HELP (Dr Brian Miller PhD - expert in thermodynamics), it is a physical impossibility if unaided. Therefore, the examples of ice and soap, order arising (entropy decreasing) from a decrease in energy (driven by nature's preference for a lower energy equilibrium state) as a rebuttal for the argument based upon the 2nd law of thermodynamics is a straw man, it is missing half of the argument. (Anyone who dismisses Dr Miller because he believes in God, prove he is scientifically wrong...)
3. Hype is from the media, NOT the scientists?? - Completely false, Tour's whole video addresses this. Hype can be from the scientists themselves and in many cases the media do consult with them prior to publishing their work, hence they are culpable in this too. Dave has never published a peer reviewed paper so he would not know the intricate details of how this works. (See episode 3 for references)
4. Dave's homochirality assessment is riddled with errors - Tour analysed he actual paper and the SLIGHT excess of asparagine (said in the video) was actually greater than 99% asparagine, an important detail. The enantiomeric excess wasn't pure, for Phe it had a max of 22% of the remaining 1%, a terrible efficiency. The data for other amino acids reveals a broad spread of ee % for both D and L forms, leading the authors to conclude this is just as likely to produce a racemic aftermath as a result, not a homochiral one (from the conclusion of the actual paper).
5. Carbohydrates - Dave states in his video that polysaccharides are repeating units of the SAME monomer, this is utterly false! Many different monomers can make up polysaccharides. Also, use of the word TRICKY in their synthesis is a gross understatement worth mentioning, which Tour goes on to explain in some detail.
6. Any biomolecule is easy to synthesize?? A grossly ridiculous statement. They are hard to synthesize, especially in homochiral form even using ACTIVATE D building blocks taken from nature, side chain protection and removal.. which is common procedure.
7. Primordial soup belief and Honest Talking points - Dave states "to call [seeing a primordial soup of molecules, some lightening and then all of a sudden a cell is there, then maybe a lizard crawling onto land or something like that] a complete view of abiogenesis and evolution would be absurd, but absolutely no one proposes this." Dave states Tour is making a dishonest talking point here, however, Tour shows a video where Lee Cronin (OoL expert) said that Justin Brierley's GCSE [high school] education on his very thing - i.e. "A few lightening strikes and then 'poof!' a cell forms" - was 'not too bad at all". Dr Tour also showed a survey of 697 people, 80% of whom have college degrees, and of this group, ~73% believed scientists researching OoL have created simple life forms via mixing prebiotic chemicals. Therefore 1) it is indeed an honest talking point and 2) Dave's statement "absolutely no one proposes this" has evidence that highly suggests otherwise. (Thanks Bart)
8. Polymer regeneration fallacy. Dave proposed a constant equilibrium reaction to continuously regenerate proteins and RNA from their respective monomers and their even smaller building blocks to overcome Tour's point of molecular degradation over time. This has many catastrophic problems, here's just 3: 1) The equilibrium value would have to be 1 for the required formation/degredation balance. Most reactions do not work like this, it's a thermodynamic fallacy to presume so. The product with the lower energy state is favoured, tipping it's equilibrium one way or the other, not a nice perpetual regeneration. 2) Even ignoring this, many other reactions will occur, not just the desired polymerization. Without side chain protection, racemic, branched JUNK is inevitable. 3) Even ignoring 1 and 2, The polymer needs to be of meaningful sequence to be useful, otherwise it's JUNK! Regeneration of the SAME meaningful sequence is astronomically low - this is before self-replication, therefore anything of potential use would just degrade, likely never to be reproduced.
9. Proteins (could have, may, perhaps) possibly... formed in the ocean. Condensation reactions extremely ineffective in water, the equilibrium drives the reaction backwards, back to amino acids, any proteins break down or are blocked from forming due to the zwitterionic nature of amino acids. Homochirality is bereft of an explanation.
10. His misleading, illinformed slide showing ribonucleotides polymerizing over hot clay is TORN TO SHREDS by Dr Tour. It all looks so easy according to Dave. However.... 1) No prebiotic route to ribose for the starting materials. 2) The clay and the procedure is a prebiotic joke, neither would occur. (Centrifuge 3500rpm??) 3) HOT clay considering the instability of RNA above minus 80??? 4) Catastrophic polymerization problems - wrong linkages causing termination 5) Getting the thing off the clay is even unprebiotic.
11. Cell membranes (Dave "grabbing things out of the air and proclaiming it from the rooftops") Dave's postulated lipid monolayer for protocells is unfounded and is not demonstrated as viable ANYWHERE in the scientific literature and has never been shown to exist. The postulated lipid bilayers devoid of protein gateways or proton gradients would just act as a TOMB for anything inside that may have miraculously formed. Also, the complex non-symmetric bilayers necessary for life do not form spontaneously.
12. Lipids - The spontaneous origin of fatty acids from hydrothermal vents is highly disputed, more likely deriving from oil products of biological origin. Even if we give you the fatty acids.. Salad dressing won't suffice Dave! Lipids made from simple fatty acids are unable to maintain proton gradients essential for life - phospholipids must've been there from the beginning. See episode 10 for their implausible origin.
13. Homochirality1- Given the terrible ee% excess in Dave's example, to stand any chance of leading to homochirality, it would need an exemplary prebiotically relevant autocatalytic reaction inducing enantiomeric amplification. One has never ever been discovered! The only known reaction to do this is the Soai reaction, however, this is - 1) Prebiotically irrelevant 2) Nowhere near efficient enough 3) Nowhere near persistent enough. (Donna Blackmond)
How did proteins become homochiral when there's no prebiotically relevant route ever shown to make the amino acids in homochiral form, or to separate the enantiomers, or to polymerize them?
14. Homochirality2 - Dave claims homochirality could've arrived after life began... Baseless. Implausible. Unscientific. There is no evidence for claimed racemic mixtures (no homochirality) being usable in cells. They have never been shown to function based on the reaction specificities, yields and heat management that would be needed for cellular systems (see CISS in episode 11). Dave suggested this for lipids but VAST numbers of electron transfers take place in lipid bilayer membranes, so it's baseless to dismiss the need for lipid homochirality (see CISS).
15. Dave gets his abiogenesis information from Wikipedia (at best) but more than likely from the Sunday tabloids or his local gazette. When (if) referencing peer reviewed papers, his source material rarely ventures past the abstract of any given paper. If not study the entire paper, at least read it's conclusions which usually provide a more balanced assessment than the abstract. Come on Dave, do your homework!
Pleases stop addressing him as 'professor'
ok, so please can you explain to me WHY all the people cited in this video said that Tour misrepresented/misunderstood their work????
Awesome explanation about thermodynamics and the necessity for low entropy and high energy for life! I truly thank God for giving us great scientists like Dr. Tour and Dr. Miller to tell the truth!
@@HoneybunMegapack Hi! Thanks for responding. Can you help me understand your perspective? What makes you believe Christianity is false?
@@HoneybunMegapack Hi! Thanks for sharing your perspective. I guess mine is the opposite. I've always been aware of God's existence. But now I'm curious: Why spend your time trying to convince people not to believe? If I was an atheist, I wouldn't waste one minute of my time on any of this crap! I'd get busy enjoying my short and fleeting existence. Why talk about religious stuff?
@@HoneybunMegapack I understand your concerns. Thanks for sharing your motivation.
@@BreadofLifeChannel because we, as human race, we care about our fellows, so if I can help you to understand how you was indoctrinated and why the tale of gods are all false, will be a pleasure and a satisfaction. You THINK you are always being aware of God's existence because you was indoctrinated, you can find the same feelings in other people believing different gods in different religions, is just simple psicology.
Someone should Remix Tour with all beats of him saying "clueless".
Dave: /doesn't get it/
Tour: Maybe if I say the same exact thing, but slooowwweeeerrrr
XKCD: So, how long did you make this series?
Tour: Oh, it's somewhere between 0-13 byrs long.
Dave: Could you be a bit more specific?
Tour: It's about as long as the process of Abiogenesis.
you mean like this th-cam.com/video/LknbK8fkAkM/w-d-xo.html
What I like to do is to think of what Dr Tour is leaving out, and I find it difficult because he has already thought of so many things and given one a lot of things to ponder. I'm intrigued.
The people James Tour cited said Dr Tour was "misinterpreting", "lying about", and "misunderstanding" their work.The choice is yours: just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because prof Dave ACTUALLY explains how things works AND WHY TOUR IS DEEPLY WRONG. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust this sad man, it's up to you. I understand could be scary for you to discover that Tour is a liar but if you have the courage just watch and judge for yourself. Good luck
@@nathanspark4876 Check out the new series (Season 2) for James' response to these experts on how they misrepresent James and lose their scientific credibility. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that Dave the sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 99% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by James Tour, that totally exposes Dave and his experts TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep EXPOSE'. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because James Tour ACTUALLY explains how things works AND WHY Dave and his expert buddies are DEEPLY and Definitely MANIPULATIONG THE DATA. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust Dave the not so bright Masters drop out DAVE, it's up to you. I understand could be scary for you to discover that Dave is a liar but if you have the courage just watch and judge for yourself. Good luck
Thank you Dr. Tour!
The people James Tour cited said Dr Tour was "misinterpreting", "lying about", and "misunderstanding" their work. JUST THIS SHOULD SAY ALL ABOUT PROF TOUR. The choice is yours: just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because prof Dave ACTUALLY explains how things works AND WHY TOUR IS DEEPLY WRONG. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust this sad man, it's up to you. I understand could be scary for you to discover that Tour is a liar but if you have the courage just watch and judge for yourself. Good luck
Even if we give them the benefit of the doubt and say some self-replicating 'molecule,' such as a proto-RNA formed, that is still literal eons away from a complete cell. And RNA/DNA doesn't code for what life does; it just codes for the production for amino acids, which make proteins, the hardware/machinery that cells use (in addition to the actual machinery they use, such as rotors/microtubules/walkers/etc.)
Can a cake bake itself? Yes, today a cook with prepared ingredients, following a recipe, using accurate tools like ovens, blenders and other things, can bake and make a cake. But a cake will never bake itself. Nor, can a book make itself, or anything else.
Apparently the cake made the oven, the pan, the heat source, the timer, the oven mitts/apron, electric mixer, the light socket, the power grid and the nuclear power plant; maybe the ingredients as well...as an after thought
@Muzaffar Krylov Chance is a huge extrapolation , I can hear Dr Tour saying in the background.
Sounds like the watchmaker analogy again. Are religious types ever going to drop this argument? It's been debunked time and time again.
@Necromonger Nation Seems like a bit of a reach to me dude. The computer being designed by people has nothing to do with eukaryotes, also eukaryotes are several billion years old. Saying its the only recognised system for designing computers to try and make it fit your comparison just doesn't work.
@Necromonger Nation Thanks for reiterating your point. But I wasn't strawmanning you. I was simply pointing out a bad comparison.
I thought before we got to far along we should all understand who the players in this unfolding drama are..... I did my best with Goggle as the main resource to uncover the truth concerning the accreditation of both men.
Professor Dave Farina, taught high school and undergraduate classrooms for 10 years before turning into a TH-camr it may be assumed to teach an undergraduate class one is a professor but that is defiantly not the case. Its much more likely that at best he was referred to or assumed to be an assistant professor but in reality, may not have even born that title. The bottom line is that in tracking his accreditation I could only confirm he was a teacher.
He received a bachelor's degree in chemistry from Minnesota's Carleton College and a master's in chemistry and science (education) at California State University. There is nothing to suggest that he has ever received a professorship or gone beyond a master’s degree.
Note He has never received a Doctorate. He has received a master in science education…….
In the last evaluation made ranking California State University it was 26th in the state 300th over all in the US and 1540 Universities were thought to offer a better education world wide.
Of the top 100 Universities in the world, 58 are found in the US. But they don’t just take anybody; we all know you have to have the grades …. the smarts to get into those schools, and if not the smarts the money. So, while some may buy their way in, most have to get there with brains and hard work. Professor Dave was not among them, he did not walk those hallowed halls of higher learning, and I hope I don't have to spell out that not all educations are created equal...... You can see to by the fruit they produce if they made a difference or were a waste of time.
In fairness to prof Dave, I also checked out Dr. Tour. While it is true that since leaving School Dr, Tour has made a far more substantive mark on the world and science in particular it is still worth noting his beginnings.
But I started from the present and searched back in time.
I have to say that when you Goggle Dr. Tour there is an obvious and immediate contrast…..
Rather than searching though several pages to find an obscure reference you are greeted by....
World-Renowned Scientist Dr. James Tour...it doesn't say he's a saint but it sure does say he's a smart guy; and if you want to hear it from an expert he's the guy to talk to....
I decided to check the university that employs him to teach, after all these guys make money selling an education and people looking for a real future are looking for a real education. The people teaching make that happen....and every university looks for the best they can find. SO if we know a bit about the institution we should learn something of the man.
Dr. James M. Tour, a synthetic organic chemist, joined the Center for Nanoscale Science and Technology at Rice University in 1999, where he is presently the T. T. and W. F. Chao Professor of Chemistry, Professor of Computer Science, and Professor of Materials Science and NanoEngineering.
Well fair to call him a professor…..of a few things...lets say you were on trial and prof Dave was your expert and Dr. Tour was appearing for the prosecution do you like your chances?
Rice University is ranked #16 in National Universities meaning that in the US its top 16 and as there are 58 US universities in the top 100 world wide Rice clearly is one of them do the math; but you would be mistaken, in fact world ranking put Rice at 128 still a bit better than 1500 plus, but confusing. I think maybe Goggle got that one wrong but that's what it says.
Tour received degrees from Syracuse University (BS, 1981), Purdue University (PhD, 1986) and completed postdoctoral work at the University of Wisconsin-Madison (1986-1987) and Stanford University (1987-1988). Stanford is top 10.
Syracuse University ranked 58th in the country 370 world wide yes again the numbers seem off.
Purdue University is currently 68th in the world….another of those top 100.
So better education, better diploma, better credentials, better period.... and Dave who plays a professor on TH-cam seems to be a guy whose delusions have run away with him. If my name was Dr. Tour, I would be inclined to sue for defamation.
He though has decided to do what he is known for .... to teach....
Dave I think you will be watching and while you never got the chance before this is it a real education from a world class professor....
Dr. Tour it is a privilege to call you brother.
BuT hEs UsInG gOd Of ThE GaPs!!!
Thank you for this👍
Gabriel seven, you wrote, "BuT hEs UsInG gOd Of ThE GaPs!!!"
Thank God! For a second I thought you said he is using "Darwin of the Gaps!" :)
Dan
Dr. Tour was also chosen as one of the top 50 chemists in the world. And twice won the the best professor at Rice university. Has 700 publications
160 patents in nanotechnology.
@@BibleResearchTools Would a person who uses that (god of the gaps) be kind enough to define what they mean in its use....
It seems to me that any time God is spoken of as being involved; out comes the god of the gaps claim.
If design is clearly seen in life, and scripture is telling us directly that God created the creature we see design in, that is a confirmation that what scripture says is true not a god of the gaps….
If we had no reason to believe God was involved in the process; say a lightning bolt shot across the sky and someone decided God was angry causing that to happen, that is god of the gaps, what you don’t understand you credit to god.
It’s not correct to declare from the outset there is no god therefore every time He is considered its god of the gaps. It’s not reasonable because there is no way to confirm god (here describing the creator of the universe, all that is seen and unseen) is not a possibility.
Let’s go a bit deeper; I don’t think this can be seen clearly without a better understanding of the term God….
A lot of people use God as a personal name, Atheists here prefer invisible sky daddy. God is not a name it is a description of, position /authority; and as such what ever a person holds as authoritative is their own personal god…. This applies to everybody. I don’t jump off a high bridge because I respect gravity. The fact that to do that would result in death is strong motivation to not jump.
If for you that’s science and today science doesn’t have an answer but you are still insisting it will and making crap up, you are the one applying a god of the gaps argument.
Prime example of this are, the multi-verse, or Oort cloud. These in both cases are beyond the purview of science. At least presently, but they are all the same offered up and spoken of as established fact, in a fanatic fashion by those that worship science.
BUT do they, science has rules, and they that would present these arguments as science defy those…..for all of recorded history men have presented gods/authorities they could bend to their own purposes and present to the world as justification for whatever they personally believed or want…..
A true god of the gaps.
How many today are ministers for this new god? All the while insisting their god is real?
Science is real when it is science, and when it is real it should/must be respected….when its not, its not.
Love this series. This is my nth time watching it. Jim gets down into the vast depths of cells & life and makes it obvious that a divine intelligence was needed to put this amazing structure together & start it up. This kind of science that shattered my atheism. Ya gotta go with the science and that shows life is only possible thru intelligent creation. Dr. Tour is a great man with a great talent.
I love how James Tour is doing and saying the exact, identical, same, identical and also same thing as Flat-Earthers,
really hammering home that all Science-Denial and Conspiracys are blood-related.
Realize it already, people, your not following God
or siding with Religion in a ReligionvsScience-War, as such a War does not exist
and your own Religion BY MAJORITY totally accepts Evolution, the Age of the Earth, the Big Bang,
and all sch and more. Deal with the Reality you live in: a Reality where Christianity does not believe what YOU believe.
The choice is yours: just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because prof Dave ACTUALLY explains how things work AND WHY TOUR IS DEEPLY WRONG. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust this sad man, it's up to you.
I will tku and pray for you, those who helped you, and all your families... we must seek truth...
Thanks for some excellent information. I need to look it up, but skeptic PhDs at UNC claim that the likelihood of DNA forming naturally is 1 / 10 to the 9000th power. This educated me a lot on why. Thanks
I love how James Tour is doing and saying the exact, identical, same, identical and also same thing as Flat-Earthers,
really hammering home that all Science-Denial and Conspiracys are blood-related.
For people to believe that something fundamentally proven and totally known is 'just wrong, lol', you must first play Make-Belief and pretend that theres not only some 'Mainstream-Science', which there isnt, theres just Science, but also that those people are CLUELESS. But dontcha worry, cause Tour is a "real Scientist! Unlike all those Millions of fake-scientists!!!"
It's literally identical and the same as what all conspiracys have to say. I mean, LITERALLY, Tour has the same things to say about Scientists than Healing-Crystal-Sellers and all the Flat-Earthers: That's not me speaking in Metaphors, WHAT THEY SAY IS WELL DOCUMENTED, so excuse me for comparing the words and being like 'Oh, this is literally 100% identical'.
You have to pretend the System is evil and incompetent; both; so you can seel your own stuff.
@@loturzelrestaurant so how exactly do you believe everything came into existence? Do you believe in spontaneous generation AKA ex Nihilo Creation? Or do you prefer eternal matter and energy. I hate to break it to you, but both of those are anti-scientific. Would be curious what such a wise person thanks was the catalyst for everything
The probability of a conscious intelligent human growing naturally is 100%, given certain prior physical conditions exist, and humans have 10^25 times as many parts as DNA. See human growth and development science to learn exactly how you grew naturally.
See anatomy, physiology, biology, biochemistry, and neuroscience to learn how you operate, live, feel, heal, and are able to ponder an imaginary non-DNA-based intelligence no human has observed, by natural processes alone. Do it now, don't take my work for it.
"skeptic PhDs at UNC"
Full names? PhD in what, math? Math only works when the assumptions are true/accurate/reliable.
"claim that the likelihood of DNA forming naturally"
Based on what assumptions? What was the calculation and what did it use/depend on?
Hint: Nature is not a single, sequential, uniformly random dice roll. It is non-uniform, non-random (deterministic, according to basic physics), and operates in parallel.
@@ja31472 you are free to believe that everything came from nothing and that this everything collapsed into a singularity and blew up into the most perfect explosion ever imaginable creating an absolutely perfect slowly growing universe. This explosion was 10 orders of magnitude more perfect than any explosion man has ever concocted. Somehow Earth formed a magnetic field which allowed it to keep an atmosphere in place and was magically in the right spot to have a solar system with numerous large targets nearby to pull most of the space debris activity. These large bodies of course being Jupiter Saturn and the like. As for life from non life I'm going to send you a link to doctor Tour's information which makes your assertions Beyond implausible. I must admit that the DNA statistics came in a lecture and I do not have the citations. Dr tours information, however, makes your assertions even more implausible. It is here: th-cam.com/video/zU7Lww-sBPg/w-d-xo.html . Not sure about your science creds, but this guys credit dwarf mine. But let's just say for a crazy hypothesis the doctor tour is all wrong and that all the crazy stuff that I showed above actually occurred. I need to add of course the absurdity of DNA which even doctor Dawkins who hates anything to do with Christianity admits could not happen, and then follow the macroevolution in spite of a total lack of evidence for it in the fossil record. And while some are uneducated enough to ignore this, it was folks who wanted macroevolution to be true that came up with punctuated equilibrium which is just humorous. But let's just say all of that occurred naturally which means that we are cosmic accidents. Nobody planned us nobody put us here for a reason so the answer to why am I here is that there is no reason. We will be here for 0.00 0 00 44% of the time between Big Bang and now. We will occupy approximately 0.000005 percent of the space on a small planet in a small solar system in an unremarkable Galaxy. Then our meaningless and hopeless existence gives way to a meaningless and hopeless non-existence. If that's what you believe, then I applaud you for not shooting yourself in the head many years ago which I may well have done if I believed I was as meaningless and hopeless as you believe you are
@@michaelcasile1036 I await a direct response to my previous comment. Until then you have nothing but fictitious strawmen, just like your God of Gaps, and His Sons, the God of DNA, God of Proteins, and God of the Big Bang.
"Dr tours information, however, makes your assertions even more implausible."
Which ones? The fact that you have 10^25 more parts than DNA and still grew 100% naturally?
Or maybe you were a test-tube baby engineered in a lab, Michael? Is that true?
I'm not. I was born and grew 100% naturally, inside another human that also grew and was operated 100% naturally.
"I do not have the citations."
You never did, and there was no lecture.
"It is here: th-cam.com/video/zU7Lww-sBPg/w-d-xo.html"
No, that's a god of gaps fallacy.
It basically says "life origins is a mystery, therefore god-done-it". Just like earth/sun/weather/rain/mountain/sea/air/tree/animal origins were once a mystery, but all turned out to be naturally caused.
"Somehow Earth formed"
This "somehow" is known and written down with all supporting evidence, and the cause was nature. Google "formation of earth". Same for the sun, which is also well-known, but yet humans can't reproduce no matter how hard they try.
Let me reiterate that: Nature has created billions of nuclear fusion reactors (which are essential to life), without intelligence, consciousness or purpose, while humans with all their intellect are unable to even come close.
The probability of a conscious intelligent human growing naturally is 100%, given certain prior physical conditions exist, and humans have 10^25 times as many parts as DNA. See human growth and development science to learn exactly how you grew naturally.
See anatomy, physiology, biology, biochemistry, and neuroscience to learn how you operate, live, feel, heal, and are able to ponder an imaginary non-DNA-based intelligence no human has observed, by natural processes alone. Do it now, don't take my work for it.
"skeptic PhDs at UNC"
Full names? PhD in what, math? Math only works when the assumptions are true/accurate/reliable.
"claim that the likelihood of DNA forming naturally"
Based on what assumptions? What was the calculation and what did it use/depend on?
Hint: Nature is not a single, sequential, uniformly random dice roll. It is non-uniform, non-random (deterministic, according to basic physics), and operates in parallel.
"you are free to believe that everything came from nothing"
You are free to believe that I believe everything came from nothing, but the reality is very different.
"let's just say all of that occurred naturally which means that we are cosmic accidents."
No, naturally means by directly observable natural processes. You have a false understanding of nature.
"I may well have done if I believed I was as meaningless and hopeless as you believe you are"
First, that is an appeal to the consequences fallacy.
Second, if you need to lie to yourself to not commit suicide, then you should think about what that means: that you are weak. If you're so weak the only way to survive is to fashion a fairy-tale story putting you at the center of the entire universe, that means you are also arrogant, and small-minded.
Why don't we observe abiogenesis today? Instead, biogenesis is observed every day, everywhere. Why is it so? Why has it been so difficult to simulate abiogenesis?
The world needs more of you Dr Tour.
Should be part of every education curriculum in every school, globally.
You, sir, are a gentleman and a scholar!
Professor Dave really stepped in it when he convinced himself that he actually had knowledge above the realm of basic chemistry. He really does a good job of explaining chemistry concepts, but he stepped out of his expertise when he took on a world renowned scientist n the topic of abiogenesis. I hope Dave learns from the experience and does not continue to embarrass himself. He has good gig going and does not need this.
Its too interesting...i am short of words sir...Hatts off for Dr.james tour...the way you elaborated the first and formost form of life is amazing...Stay blessed sir...n lots of love...
I was confused by high school teacher dave as well. I asked him to elucidate. He banned me from his channel.
Rob Stadler also was censored on Dave's channel. Funny how James INVITES corrections and Dave bans them!
@@Greenie-43x One is a scientist and the other is angry.
Thanks for sharing, Lord-Jesus-Christ com
@@zoeytrejo9747 Dave Farina is angry because he failed to get his master's degree in synthetic organic chemistry on TWO ATTEMPTS! That's what makes him eminently unqualified to correct Dr. Tour who is an actual PhD and a leading expert in synthetic organic chemistry. Btw, Dave also deleted my posts and banned be from his channel after I called him out for making an ad hominem attack in lieu of a scientific argument. Yet he calls himself a _"science communicator"_. Insert Dave Farina into that mix to get _"instant oxymoron!"_
@@Locutus.Borg. Third time's the charm.
Fantastic Dr. Tour, thank you so much and God bless you!
The choice is yours: just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because prof Dave ACTUALLY explains how things works AND WHY TOUR IS DEEPLY WRONG. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust this sad man, it's up to you. I understand could be scary for you to discover that Tour is a liar but if you have the courage just watch and judge for yourself. Good luck
@@nathanspark4876 Would love to check it out. Where is it?
Dave came for the wrong one
Dave, academia, facing a real engineer, Dr Tour, with decades of real world experience. We all wonder if Dave ever had a real job, engineering anything from scratch, any patents, any job creation, Dave?
Sometimes overconfidence can be lethal 😁
What did Dave do exactly?
@@vojislavbelic896
He tried to debunk a practicing scientist. 😁
@@vojislavbelic896 Have a look on his-Dave- TH-cam channel as posted by Dr Tour.
Not only do you have to source all the parts of the car and assemble them, but you also have a deadline before the parts wear out and becomes useless.
Thank you, Dr. Tour! And to the talented people involved in the production of this series of videos: Thank you very much! May you enjoy many blessings as so many of us benefit from the fruits of your labor!
@Rob Davis, Thank you for sharing your conclusions. But if you hope to persuade anyone, you will need to say a little about how you reached your conclusions.
Dr. Tour has invited people - especially others who are in the field of synthetic chemistry - to counter any errors he might make with well reasoned counter arguments and citations. If you care to attempt that, I can be persuaded. But just calling him a liar or slamming him because of his faith is not at all persuasive.
''EXPLANATIONS''??? REALLY??? The choice is yours: just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because prof Dave ACTUALLY explains how things works AND WHY TOUR IS DEEPLY WRONG. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust this sad man, it's up to you. Good luck
A statistical impossibility is defined as “a probability that is so low as to not be worthy of mentioning. Sometimes it is quoted as 1/10^50 although the cutoff is inherently arbitrary. Although not truly impossible the probability is low enough so as to not bear mention in a Rational, Reasonable argument." The probability of a functional 150 amino acid protein chain forming by chance is 1/10^164. It has been calculated that the probability of DNA forming by chance is 1/10^119,000. Based on just these two cellular components, it would be more Rational and Reasonable to conclude that the cell was not formed by undirected random chance. (*For reference, peptides/proteins can vary in size from 3 amino acid chains to 34,000 amino acid chains. Some scientists consider 300-400 amino acid protein chains to be the average size. The probability of finding one particular atom out of all of the atoms in the universe has been estimated to be 1/10^80.)
It's unwise to discuss probabilities, because it would be extraordinarily difficult to calculate any true probability. The distribution of amino acids is not uniform and it's different in each protein. The genetic code has only one codon for some amino acids but two, four and six for others. And some mutations are "silent". How does all that effect the real probability?
But you're on the right track. I always discuss the *size of the search space.*
Since there are about *10^130* possible different chains of 100 amino acids (a small protein), and the universe is at most *10^18 seconds* old, there would have to be enough mutations across a population to generate an *effectively infinite* number of unique chains *per second* since the formation of the universe for find even one small needed functional protein.
And natural selection can't save the day since a protein wouldn't work until it was nearly perfect.
Can I just point out how privileged and blessed we are for being able to access free contents like this??? Thank you, Dr. James Tour. You are such a gift to us from God 😊
So blessed ...to have a man trade is rational thought and professional credibility for religious brownie points from ignorant people who already agreed with him based on a warm fuzzy feeling when reading an ancient book? What a privilege
TRUST ME, I don't want to provocate u, just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I hope u'll find the courage to watch it.
I like it when Real Science talks.
The people James Tour cited said Dr Tour was "misinterpreting", "lying about", and "misunderstanding" their work. JUST THIS SHOULD SAY ALL ABOUT PROF TOUR. The choice is yours: just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because prof Dave ACTUALLY explains how things works AND WHY TOUR IS DEEPLY WRONG. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust this sad man, it's up to you. I understand could be scary for you to discover that Tour is a liar but if you have the courage just watch and judge for yourself. Good luck
Most excellent information brother!!!
Thank you for making these videos available to the rest of us! God bless you!!
''EXPLANATIONS''??? REALLY??? The choice is yours: just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because prof Dave ACTUALLY explains how things works AND WHY TOUR IS DEEPLY WRONG. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust this sad man, it's up to you. Good luck
Watched Standing for Truth "Resolving the Chemical Origins of Life Paradox (Part 1) Dr. James Carter and Dr. Ryan Hayes". I found it very informative. Do you have any comment on the difficulties they presented?
I am long-winded ... sorry, but I just thought it might be nice if we all visited Dave's channel to encourage him to participate. I have made a couple of comments on his page already trying to discover why he calls himself Professor Dave, and to be honest the answer I got was not totally satisfying, but he did call me his bud.....
He actually explained in an old video he was not a professor, and the term was used by his students, and he is just a teacher, I actually answered and questioned the mistakes in his video, he muted and removed my comment, I assume he keeps the comments which he can get away with 🤷♂️
@@Addarraj yet atheists have a problem with Dr Hovind
Same here , only he called me 'chief' . He did say that James Tour doesn't understand OOL research ?!?! It appears it might be pointless talking to him .
@@minimum20mins Is chief a term of endearment do you think? I was trying to be as positive about being his bud as possible lol. TBH I am impressed he is still replying to my comments and he sure isn't happy about the ranking his school got.
Are you planning to discuss the “faint sun paradox”? Also, where did the “simple” chemicals originate? Making ammonia, methane, etc. is not a simple process. Where did the water come from?
9 atheistic materialists put dislike as they're shaking in their boots. XD look forward to your series doc Toure!
TONIGHT @730 CT - Part 2 of Interview With Dr James Tour - th-cam.com/video/z7KejugBAnA/w-d-xo.html
Excellent disquisition! The analogy of the unassembled car is spot on!
no friend, it is not. The people James Tour cited said Dr Tour was "misinterpreting", "lying about", and "misunderstanding" their work. JUST THIS SHOULD SAY ALL ABOUT PROF TOUR. The choice is yours: just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because prof Dave ACTUALLY explains how things works AND WHY TOUR IS DEEPLY WRONG. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust this sad man, it's up to you. I understand could be scary for you to discover that Tour is a liar but if you have the courage just watch and judge for yourself. Good luck
A person does Not need to have a Phd (or even an undergraduate degree) to question the validity of the Abiogenesis Hypothesis, or any hypothesis. As long as people have an understanding of basic scientific principles, common sense, and open mindedness to seek the truth, they can come to a more accurate conclusion for themselves.
Basic Science 101:
Wikipedia 2021, “A hypothesis (plural hypotheses) is a proposed explanation for a phenomenon. For a hypothesis to be a scientific hypothesis, the SCIENTIFIC METHOD requires that one can TEST IT … Even though the words "hypothesis" and "theory" are often used synonymously, a scientific hypothesis is NOT the same as a scientific theory.” Hypothesis is also referred to as a Hypothetical or Educated GUESS.
Wikipedia 2021, "In evolutionary biology, abiogenesis, or informally the origin of life (OoL),is the natural process by which life has arisen from non-living matter, such as simple organic compounds. While the details of this process ARE STILL UNKNOWN, the prevailing scientific HYPOTHESIS is that the transition from non-living to living entities was not a single event [i.e. spontaneous generation]... There are several principles and HYPOTHESES for how abiogenesis COULD HAVE occurred."
One of the reasons that abiogensis is merely a "hypothesis" and has not advanced to the status of being a "scientific theory", is that abiogenesis hypotheses still lack the experimental data required by the scientific method. Abiogenesis Hypothesis has passed the scientific method process zero (0) times.
✫"A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education." (President Theodore Roosevelt)✫
@@moses777exodusRidiculous
Thank you Dr Tour. Even though, at this stage, I am unable to follow some of your dialogue in Depth I can see honesty and Truth shining through. Your Christian conviction adds to the value of your teachings. This gives even greater meaning to the gospel teaching," Seek the Truth and the Truth will set you free. The gift of insight that God Has given you is a wonderful testimony to your Christian Faith. Thank you. John B.
The choice is yours: just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because prof Dave ACTUALLY explains how things works AND WHY TOUR IS DEEPLY WRONG. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust this sad man, it's up to you. I understand could be scary for you to discover that Tour is a liar but if you have the courage just watch and judge for yourself. Good luck
These videos are fantastic! I find this topic so interesting. I don’t have a background in science so I was not really sure I was going to be able to understand much of what you had to say, but you did a better then expected job of explaining things so that someone like myself can understand.
@@derhafi thanks for your comments, Rob! As I stated above, I am not a scientist or someone who has studied this topic enough to debate it with you. I think you would enjoy a more fruitful conversation with others in this post who seem to be equipped to speak on this topic. I am going to try and learn more about this topic at some point, but until then, I just don't feel comfortable debating it.
@@sjkay06 Friend don't underrate yourself, just watch the Prof Dave reply to this video and (trust me, seriously, trust me) you will see an elegant, super honest evidence-based TOTAL debunk of this liars, it is an awesome simple experience enriched by the participation of Profs SPECIALIZED in the fields addressed in this video. Prof Dave also exposes prof Tour by showing how he deliberate cut a video of another prof just to fit his 'argument', very dishonest. TRUST ME, watch it and then judge.
Great video Dr Tour!
The people James Tour cited said Dr Tour was "misinterpreting", "lying about", and "misunderstanding" their work. JUST THIS SHOULD SAY ALL ABOUT PROF TOUR. The choice is yours: just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because prof Dave ACTUALLY explains how things works AND WHY TOUR IS DEEPLY WRONG. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust this sad man, it's up to you. I understand could be scary for you to discover that Tour is a liar but if you have the courage just watch and judge for yourself. Good luck
I LOVE YOUR WORK AND EXPLANATIONS! Thank you.
''EXPLANATIONS''??? REALLY??? The choice is yours: just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because prof Dave ACTUALLY explains how things works AND WHY TOUR IS DEEPLY WRONG. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust this sad man, it's up to you. Good luck
Thank you Dr . James Tour!
Why do creationists NEVER provide evidence FOR creation? What is Tour's explanation for the creation of a fully-formed human male from silicates? What is the evidence that this is possible?
Implicit in the argument is the need for intelligence to bring about "the creation" or by extension life. That intelligence is responsible for creation. “Creationists" as you call them conclude that what appears to be created had an intelligent creator, which is commonly understood from our own human creative abilities. It is not hidden, or never said, it is right there in the very word you used, "creationists."
@@HoneybunMegapack can you give me an example of something that came into existence without a cause?
@@HoneybunMegapack my last comment was removed, probably because I was being scholarly and added a link to a cited document. Oh well.
So correct me of I am wrong, you are suggesting matter, space, and time are eternal? (Meaning they have always existed)
@@HoneybunMegapack energy cannot be eternal unless you are defining eternal as a finite. The 2nd law of thermodynamics the energy would have resulted in thermal equilibrium due to entropy.
I am curious why does energy transfer to a different state such as electric energy to light and heat energy? Does this happen spontaneously? It appears it happens in relation to matter, as if matter acted as a catalyst. Energy is without mass unless it is being measured in a significantly energized particle.
Interesting stuff. I will say your argument is one I had to research as I don't know much in the field of quantum theory. I am not convinced your argument makes a ton of logical sense to me, a nonexpert. But I appreciate your comments!
@@HoneybunMegapack your ladder analogy doesn't work. A ladder cannot he infinite in both directions. The mere fact that we are on the ladder implies that the ladder had a beginning, if not we would have never gotten on. For example if time was infinite in the past, today would never have arrived.
Is there evidence to make you conclude that the universe will collapse back onto itself? Gravity is the exact force that allows the universe to expand while still allowing particles to such as life to form but not strong enough to pull the matter back into itself. If the universe was to collapse back unto itself the universe expanse should be slowing, which is not what we are seeing. Observable engery is only 6 percent of energy, the other 94 percent is dark energy which is the force causing the expansion of the universe.
The car analogy really emphaizes the improbabilty of all those things coming together to create life.
unfortunately is wrong. The people James Tour cited said Dr Tour was "misinterpreting", "lying about", and "misunderstanding" their work. JUST THIS SHOULD SAY ALL ABOUT PROF TOUR. The choice is yours: just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because prof Dave ACTUALLY explains how things works AND WHY TOUR IS DEEPLY WRONG. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust this sad man, it's up to you. I understand could be scary for you to discover that Tour is a liar but if you have the courage just watch and judge for yourself. Good luck
A question: Is it true that more information can be stored in sugars then in dna or rna (Video: 12:48)?
Yes. DNA and RNA only have four “letters” to store information with, but sugars are much more complicated. Technically the DNA and RNA are coding for the 20 amino acids, but each amino acid can only be linked up in one particular way. Glucose alone has 4 sites that can be modified (4 -OH groups that can react), so the number of ways that glucose molecules alone can connect with each other is almost infinite. Living things use multiple sugars and connect them in many multiple ways. The myriad of branching patterns that are formed for cell surface proteins or lipids attest to its information-storing capacity.
@@jpneiswi Thank you for answering my question.
I wondered about it because a fellow by the name of Gilad.
Seemed to have had problems with the statement Dr James gave at 12:48 about sugars having more info then dna & rna. Gilad commented about it underneath Dr James pinned comment about 6 hours ago if you want to check it out.
@@niek9107
Thanks
I saw that too. Thanks for the opportunity to understand what was going on there.
@@kymdickman8910 You're welcome and have a good one 👍🏽.
@@jpneiswi I had a question...is it possible to synthesize carbohydrates in a prebiotic/abiotic earth?
Mazel tov, Dr. Tour! Excellent video!
I love how James Tour is doing and saying the exact, identical, same, identical and also same thing as Flat-Earthers,
really hammering home that all Science-Denial and Conspiracys are blood-related.
For people to believe that something fundamentally proven and totally known is 'just wrong, lol', you must first play Make-Belief and pretend that theres not only some 'Mainstream-Science', which there isnt, theres just Science, but also that those people are CLUELESS. But dontcha worry, cause Tour is a "real Scientist! Unlike all those Millions of fake-scientists!!!"
It's literally identical and the same as what all conspiracys have to say. I mean, LITERALLY, Tour has the same things to say about Scientists than Healing-Crystal-Sellers and all the Flat-Earthers: That's not me speaking in Metaphors, WHAT THEY SAY IS WELL DOCUMENTED, so excuse me for comparing the words and being like 'Oh, this is literally 100% identical'.
ITS ALL PSEUDOSCIENCE; this guy is just a bit better at
pretending he's Science,
but he's not. He's pseudoscience and at ties even anti-science.
Science and Religion both disagree with him.
@@loturzelrestaurant Dr. James Tour is a brilliant scientist and in his considerations of the origin of life he was emphatic and perfect. You may not like it, that's your right. You can scream that it's pseudoscience and compare it to Flat-Earthers. But in this case, it's your fault. Have a good day.
@@ricardofolive Do you not realize something about your comment?
It adresses zero points i made in my comment and just spews random praise for Tour.
Did you not notice that while writing??
@@ricardofolive You adress zero points and accuse me of screaming.
How silly?
@@loturzelrestaurant Yeap. Tour deserve it. I do not intend to enter into fruitless debates. I only expressed my opinion in favor of the brilliant Doctor Tour, and I expressed my disagreement with your comparison of what he says with flat-earth advocates. It is my humble opinion. Is it still possible to express opinions that differ from yours?
This is timely and excellent. Thank you Dr Tour I am a big fan.
yes, a big fan of ignorance. TRUST ME, I don't want to provocate u, just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself.
This is a quote from an article by Education Week dated March 06, 2019 on the credentials of Dave Farina:
"Farina, who taught in high school and undergraduate classrooms for 10 years before turning into a TH-camr, received a bachelor’s degree in chemistry from Minnesota’s Carleton College and a master’s in chemistry and science education at California State University. His career included a full-time position teaching chemistry, biology, and physics at a private school in Hollywood, and substitute teaching in the San Francisco Bay Area, before transitioning to lecturing at a trade university."
However, this is not accurate. This is another example of media hype.
Dave actually never finished the Master's program, though he made two attempts. According to Dave, on his first attempt, he dropped out to play music in a band, and on his second attempt, he lost his job teaching undergraduate chemistry at SCUHS, and could not continue his Master's.
Therefore, his highest academic credentials are a Bachelor degree in chemistry from Carleton college, and he taught an undergraduate course for about 4 semesters (approximately 2 years) at a private college called the Southern California University of Health Sciences, which offers two year degrees.
One should note, however, that Dave is not qualified to teach undergraduate level chemistry without a Master's degree.
@@settledown444 In short, prior to TH-cam, Dave may have had 10 years of teaching experience at the level of high school and a trade university.
Facts are important, even if hype is more popular.
@@settledown444 Dave is unconsciously ignorant and needs to learn a lot more before he teaches with authority.
The inability to take correction is a further sign of unconscious ignorance.
@@settledown444 I personally consider someone like James Tour an expert and highly qualified to educate the public on OOL research, because abiogenesis deals with pre-biotic chemistry and synthesis of atomic structures using such pre-biotic chemistry.
James Tour has a wealth of knowledge and practical experience in this very field of synthesising such atomic structures.
In fact, he is better qualified than most these OOL researchers who have little to no experience in the practicalities of the field such as in commercial applications.
He is the perfect person to criticise OOL.
@@settledown444 I would not characterise James Tour as a coward. Quite on the contrary. It is curious that reality is always the opposite of what you claim.
Dave is unconsciously ignorant even in the field that he holds a Bachelor degree. Imagine his technical skill in any other field?
He has just been seriously schooled, but I'm doubtful that he has either the intellectual honesty or the moral capacity to learn from his mistakes.
Let's see if Dave will thank Dr Tour, admit his mistakes, and move on as a better person and a better educator.
@@settledown444 I have been a subscriber to Dave Farina for some time already.
But stunts like attacking James Tour, who is a genuinely nice guy and an expert in his field, is a stupid move that will damage Dave's reputation.
Learn a lesson and stop digging your intellectual grave deeper.
Dr tour will teach dave now😅😅
Very informative... God bless you.
The people James Tour cited said Dr Tour was "misinterpreting", "lying about", and "misunderstanding" their work. JUST THIS SHOULD SAY ALL ABOUT PROF TOUR. The choice is yours: just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because prof Dave ACTUALLY explains how things works AND WHY TOUR IS DEEPLY WRONG. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust this sad man, it's up to you. I understand could be scary for you to discover that Tour is a liar but if you have the courage just watch and judge for yourself. Good luck
Good day to you Dr James Tour 🙂 thanks for speaking with clarity and distinguishing quotes. I'm highly interested in origin of all living, breathing things. Learned individuals such as yourself and I are important to Others who are searching for meaning in life. Because of my passion for the BEAUTY STRENGTH CREATION shouts out to me ; I'm always searching for Bonafide sources of interest. As long as you and I are alive 😊 we will continue to learn more 🦋🦋🦋
"I'm highly interested in origin of all living, breathing things."
And all necessary dependencies of those? What if those things require parts/processes that are not living or breathing, like you and all humans that require DNA, atoms, molecules, electrons, quarks, energy, etc.; guided, controlled and highly-specified by blind, non-living, unintelligent, mindless, purposeless laws of nature, that have none of the properties of life, but are essential for it?
@@ja31472 every one of those things you mention are difficult topics and not even considered THE hard problems. Do you even understand it? Dr James tour is discussing a hard problem. His scholar index is 165, someone with 20 is good, someone with 60 is excellent. Dr James Tour is well… over the roof…
@@logic8673 "Dr James Tour is well… over the roof…"
And Einstein was over the roof as far as theoretical physics, and STILL make the biggest blunder in history.
In life origins, Tour isn't "over the roof".
Tour hasn't got one single paper published in life origins, which is a multi-disciplinary area at the intersection of chemistry, biology, geology, physics and astronomy. Tour knows no biology. Tour knows no geology. Tour knows no physics or astronomy. Tour only knows how to manufacture certain specific molecules, which aren't even related to life. Tour knows synthetic chemistry, not life origins.
Tour has ZERO contributions to life origins science, and has gone on record saying he will never invest any research time in that area.
You have been duped. You have fallen for a fallacy of composition or appeal to false authority, or something similar; mistaking something being true of one, therefore it's true of all, and confusing expertise in one specific area with something vaguely related, just because they have the same names, "chemicals". Do you consult your car mechanic for medical advise? I think not.
"every one of those things you mention are difficult topics and not even considered THE hard problems."
No, they WERE hard, at sometime in history. Now they're either solved by science or we know enough to say they're not hard anymore.
All things were hard at one time.
To those that lack education, all things are still hard.
"His scholar index is 165"
All in synthetic chemistry. None in life origins. Tour hasn't got one single paper published in life origins. Tour is like a nuclear engineer telling an astrophysicist how stars form, and the astrophysicist is laughing at him. You have been duped.
Tour is saying:
1) First you need to get 10^30 kg of hydrogen gas. That's impossible! We don't know how to do that!!!!
2) Next, you need to compress so much that the nuclei at the center start fusing. That's impossible!!! We have no clue how to do that either!!!
3) Finally you need to somehow keep billions of tons of force on each molecule so that the fusion reaction is sustained for 4+ billion years. Again, we have NO CLUE!!!!!
It's so laughable I can't believe how many idiots are swallowing his garbage. It's all irrelevant. NONE of that stuff matters. Nature doesn't work like you and does not design and manufacture molecules like Tour does in a lab. It just doesn't work that way.
@@ja31472
He’s preaching to the ignorant converted .
Fantastic!! Thank you, Doctor
The choice is yours: just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because prof Dave ACTUALLY explains how things works AND WHY TOUR IS DEEPLY WRONG. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust this sad man, it's up to you. I understand could be scary for you to discover that Tour is a liar but if you have the courage just watch and judge for yourself. Good luck
Dave is in trouble. Going for a practicing scientist is definitely not a good idea 😁
Thermodynamics is already dead. 😁
@@judgementiscoming8016 Not dead, but it's in a state of disarray.
@@judgementiscoming8016 ...it tends Towards disarray.
"Prof" Dave is in total denial! It's hilarious.
@@matteuslucas4223 Maybe he is trying to make the first life to debunk Dr Tour. Let's wait
Tour is awesome 👏🏼
after this course we may not see dave again on youtube 😂
I'm sure he's loving this actually... he's in it for the money, not for the pursuit of truth. Activists love the attention...even if it makes him look more foolish. Fools need a king too.
keep on dreaming guys...
You realize Dave responded and made James look like a complete buffoon right?
Thought provoking-very interesting. How did our heavenly Father do it? I'll catch the next episodes. Many thanks
The people James Tour cited said Dr Tour was "misinterpreting", "lying about", and "misunderstanding" their work.The choice is yours: just be honest minded and check the Prof Dave response to this non-sense. He met other 2-3 SPECILIZED professors to HONESTLY reply to all the bs claimed here. An honest mind should be at least curious, so I hope u will. U'll discover that this sad manipulator speaks about arguments he doesn't really knows 90% of times. I'm sure u'll appreciate the honest evidence based method used by professor Dave, that totally debunked dr Tour. TOTALLY. Not a point of view, a true deep debunk. Watch it and judge for yourself. I'm sure u'll change your mind, because prof Dave ACTUALLY explains how things works AND WHY TOUR IS DEEPLY WRONG. Then if u want to ignore it and still trust this sad man, it's up to you. I understand could be scary for you to discover that Tour is a liar but if you have the courage just watch and judge for yourself. Good luck
A stone on the floor encodes information if I use it to remind me of something.
12:18 Good Day Mr. James, I am still a beginner with the topic, can you please define impurities and assess it's value to the collective theory of Abiogenesis?
@@derhafi That's exactly what I was thinking about! These morons are always baseless and are settled to some idea that NEVER reflects the whole picture of the reality