What's the Deal With 224 Valkyrie?
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In this video we shoot and discuss the 224 Valkyrie, both the good and the bad. We've been exposed to the caliber since January 2018 when we started testing 1:7" barreled rifles with less than stellar, and certainly less than advertised results. We decided to wait it out a bit before putting out a video on the subject and in that time, faster twist barrels became available and so far seems that a 1:6.5" twist rate is the ticket for the Valkyrie with all bullets weights. There are many that say the 1:7' twist rate is best for the caliber but so far we and many others have to disagree. Using the Miller Stabilization Formula, all bullet weights have a higher stabilization factor in the faster twist rates.
We did experience some issues with jackets separating from the cores of the 90gr Sierra Matchking factory loads outside of the barrel, an issue that has reared its head recently. We had three jackets separate in this range session likely due to increased muzzle velocity from the heat and the Power Pro 2000-MR powder used in our handloads. We have heard from multiple sources that Sierra is redesigning these particular projectiles and Federal has since notified the shooting public that they are working to correct the apparent issues with the 90gr factory loads.
We do still have load development to do with the 88gr ELD-M projectiles from Hornady and the new 95gr Sierra Matchkings as well as testing a 1:6" twist rate barrel. We will update the results in the sheet above as new data is collected for those interested in following our progress. Stay tuned, much more on the way.
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Very interesting video start to finish. Hopefully ammo/barrel makers can get on the same page and get the bugs worked out.
LOL! Now I see where you got the idea for your ak224 project!
Wasn’t expecting to see you here Brandon.
lets GO Brandon!
Be scornful, a coyote ripped my cat in half and ran away with the corpse. Funnily enough, this is the reason i started shooting.
Did you hit him?!
Damn.
Damn sorry to hear it. this is the reason my cat stays inside.
Damn dude...I’m sorry about that...
Get a manlier pet.
Although I miss Barry, Chad brings plenty to the table and is a great fit for IV8888.
Yeah we like you chad. Fun video man
rifletargets amen
@ Travis M. yeah i dont get it, 'hes a great fit' as if he hasnt been around since the beginning. hes a great fit because hes a big part of what shaped this channel
You must be new chads OG
Rifletargets- I agree
224 has a TON of potential with the BC but we need to let the barrel companies and ammo companies work the small kinks out. This data certainly helps
I like the 25-45 Sharps too. If that 25-45 truly does have 1,700+ ft-lbs with an 87 grain bullet at 3,000 fps, I think it has more potential than the .224 but any alternative cal will depend, like you say, on ammo manufacturers, barrel manufacturers and whoever holds the rights to any given cal. They have to allow everyone to manufacture it with low royalties.
They have to work the kinks out and they have to get the costs down before any alternate AR cal will be widely adopted.
We all buy ARs because we like to burn through ammo. A .224 or a 25-45 may be great for hunting or long range target shooting but at $1 a round, no alternative cal will beat out .223/5.56 until they can compete with $.30 a round.
I would love an AR with more range & more energy as would many people but it's a catch 22. Prices won't come down until a round becomes wildly popular and a round can't become popular at $1 per round.
Hopefully we will get lucky and the military will adopt the .224 or something like the 25-45. Until then, I think .223/5.56 will remain the standard AR cal. :( (sad 50yo woman without her dentures in face) lol
shananagans5 the good news is that while 224V is still more expensive than 5.56, it's already cheaper than 6.5 & 6.8.
Mrgunsngear Channel I’m in no hurry to build an upper. I was looking at the 25-45 Sharps but ammo price is a thing with me and I stopped reloading (hot garage) a while back. The 224V is tempting but for all the issues mentioned in the video it’s a no go. I’ll just keep shooting my uppers in 5.56, 300BO and 22lr. Till further notice.
Most definitely. Even if the effective range is only 700-800 yards, that's still a very nice SPR rifle on the AR 15 platform.
@@Hawaiianbro10 how did the 88 grains work out for you, I have my dies and im about to try some h4350 and varget, What is the case capacity compared to the 556 ?
THANK YOU! I really appreciate all the hard work and data collection you've been doing for this cartridge.
Chad honestly complements Eric & the channel best out of everyone I’ve seen featured. His tone, experience & what he’s shown to stand are all major key points & I hope to continue to see him for the long run.
26:30 Holy crap! A great group at 800 yards out of a developmental rifle with developmental hand loads! Amazing!
Jerry Seinfeld: "And whaaaat is the deal with 224 Valkyrie?"
Chad: “I’m out of ammo with this 10 shot mag.”
California: *AHAUAHUEHEHEHEHE.*
Not anymore 😉
3:26 PREACH!!! So many shooters don't understand what goes into making a semi-auto gas gun sub-MOA.
Highjak86 with that being said a lot of people knock the 224valkyrie because of not being able to get one whole groups out of their ar builds. I have a 224valkyrie as a trainer bolt rifle and it stacks one whole groups at 100yds taken it out to 1300yds no problem.
dude most people can’t shoot sub MOA at the indoor range...if you can hit a body at 800m you are a great shooter...in any caliber in any platform of rifle
@@jeremyjeremy8795 A good shooter can hit a man-sized target at 800m. A GREAT shooter can hit a head sized target at 800m and beyond.
LOVE THESE LONG RANGE VIDEOS!!!!!!!!!!!! KEEP THEM COMING
I appreciate your dedication to fully R&D this caliber. It’s way more than 99% of reviewers. You guys are doing something special here. More than just another gun channel on TH-cam. Impressed with the effort.
I would love it if you guys did a 6.5 Grendel reloading and shooting video. The round has gained a lot of traction in the past few years.
I love how we hear Barry finish the word "impact" before we hear the ding at 300 yards. Ahhh Science.
"Just some parts I had laying around...."
**Proceeds to show high end and prototype gear to us poor folk**
*crying in poor* 😂🖖
AR15s with A2 full stocks are still my favorite....nice build!
especially when they’re meant for longer range like mk 12s
it kinda hurt me a little to put carbine stocks on my 22lr and 5.56 build but 3 of my kids can’t shoulder an A2 stock
Its good to see a real good review on the 224 ! Great job guys !Always good to see Remington on set ! Cheers !
1moa is good performance from a semiauto. It's nice when you can do better, but 1moa isn't poor.
224 valk was not created for "increased accuracy", it was about maintaining velocity and energy at extended ranges. Basically better external ballistics. Accuracy is down to the rifle and shooter, and using quality ammo... Not necessarily the specific caliber used.
While there are ways to maximize accuracy potential with good cartridge design, that doesn't mean you need the perfectly purpose designed caliber to get good accuracy. If you were inclined, most calibers can be made to shoot 1moa at 100yds, if you build a rifle to do so, and load ammo as high of quality and consistency as you can.
It may be an inefficient round that doesn't shoot well past 100yds, but that's a function of external ballistics.
You don't need 6.5 cred or 224 valk to get an accurate rifle... Especially if you are staying inside 600yds or so. But they will be more consistent at the longer ranges, past 800yds compared to other options like 308 and 223/5.56.
marine6680 how often are people really shooting past 600 meters? I mean come on. This cartridge really poses almost 0 advantages compared to other cartridges on the market.
Mason Haggerty That isn't the point though is it? I'm not sure you actually understand the point of my post.
It has advantage over other calibers at extended ranges. That's what it is for. If all you shoot is max a couple hundred or so yards, then no... This caliber is of no benefit to you, and has downsides as well.
That was the point of my entire post, which sailed past you...
Anyone picking up this caliber because they think it's somehow more accurate, are fooling themselves and wasting their efforts.
For closer ranges, out to a few hundred yards, 5.56/223 is perfectly fine. If you are good at reading wind, then you can get good results at 600yds. You could even push past that, but the skill level is very high with that caliber.
224 valk is designed for increased ballistic efficiency by having heavier bullets with a high BC. This makes shooting at extended ranges easier to do, because of less wind drift, and a higher retained velocity allowing for less drop at range.
Long range accuracy has many components to get it right... There are no miracle calibers out there...
@@marine6680 Looks look like someone did their homework, no miracle cartridge, just new combination of qualities.
Well said.
Would like too see a 6.5 grendel review just like this! I see others do as well 👍
Don't hold your breath. I've been waiting for years....
They said they were interested in the round awhile ago......... not shure what's the the problem is brother.
Fresh isn't so saltY 717 no one likes the 6.5 i don't know why
@@dennisbryan7522 I think plenty of people like it, but there's also pushback because the people who do like it tend to be cultists (like crossfit, vegans, 10mm shooters etc)
They probably just hate hearing people talk about it all the time. I love the Grendel, but that's the only reason I could think of big channels avoiding videos on it. It's common enough that almost every gunstore I've been to has it in stock
I love that you can hear the bullet in flight until the PING.
You guys are awesome. Thanks for the knowledge and Chad you are a great gun smith Sir. You guys have helped a lot of people out there to understand what you need to do to get the 224 Valkyrie working right. I know you need a 1 and 6 twist barrel, but not a 1 and 6 1/2 inch barrel. You guys rock IV8888.
the cartridge has a very specific purpose. it solves the issue spectacularly, but the issue really isnt there.
Seinfeld?
As a long range shooter, this round is ground breaking. It's not just hype. Shooting a round with that low of recoil out to 1k yards FROM AN AR?? That's unheard of.
Blake Patterson with what kind of energy, though? I guess it's good for killing varmints at long range, but not much else.
Headframe Hunters Plenty of energy to punch paper.
OK, but does it actually maintain supersonic to the ranges advertised? Not from what I've seen. I guess if you merely want to punch paper at extreme ranges 224V could be fun, but it serves not purpose beyond that. Can't hunt deer with it (not that I would at that range regardless). Very specialized. If that is your thing, go for it. But 6.6 Grendel is more versatile and useful in the real world.
@@T_D_B_ Another Grendel fan here, have several rifles chambered for it. Still, I'll say that paper punching is just as popular as hunting, so don't pooh-pooh other people's pastimes. And I'm sure that .224 V will nail pigs and 'yotes at ranges far past what 5.56x45mm is capable of, so it's a paper puncher with a decent sideline.
why not just step up to a 6.5 creed. The recoil isn't much more, and can out shoot that bugger all day.
Good video. Here's my take on the valkyrie. An over hyped solution looking for a problem. If you want to shoot an AR, stick to 556. Otherwise shoot a bolt gun with an appropriate bolt gun cartridge. Just my opinion.
Now that's badass! Great review
I normally like to see more shooting less talking. But you guys make the information, and sharing of your experiences very interesting and quite enjoyable 👍
Holy cow! I've never shot that far.... to me that's an amazing group at 800 yards. Great job guys.
In my professional opinion it is the finest light weight long range sapr round ever made. It’s light weight makes humping a lot of ammo very practical it is basically a match for the 6.5 creed in trajectory this is a wonder cartridge.
It seems like an accurate round, but compare it to the 6.5 creed? I can take down a deer at 800 yards. i wouldn't trust the 224 at 100. There is no match between rounds.
Jared Florence You didn't watch MACs video? It has more than enough energy and accuracy at 100 yrds for that. Not to say Creedmoor wouldn't be better but it's nice to carry and the lighter recoil lets you watch the hit yourself.
Sammiches25 I realize it can take out a dear from that distance. I know someone who has taken an elk with a .223. The 224 is expensive and a weak round. In my opinion I just dont see the use. Thats all. Just another opinion. If i had money to just fling around, I deffenatley would buy one, but as I see it now, its just a waste.
Sounds like a rich Mans caliber to me, lol, I think if I go for more punch at longer range in the AR package I will go 6.5 Grendel. As a poor disabled retiree a round that is so finicky and pricey is just out of the question, BUT, all that said, it does have great potential, I can see that clearly so you Younger Guys with deep pockets, lol, have fun, wish I could too!
glenn schantz I wouldn’t say so. Match ammo is on par with anything else on the market around $1 per shot with “cheap” range loads being $0.50 a shot. For a brand new caliber the available ammo is pretty fairly priced.
Get a $350 complete upper from PSA.
Cleetis McDougall Too bad the PSA uppers aren’t very accurate from the reports I’ve seen. MrGunsandGear shot one recently and the performance was quite lackluster.
Yeah, been looking at them, I'm on their email list, but as you will see in my reply to Chad, even the ammo is out of my price range do to finances so I'll enjoy watching Chas progress and live vicariously, lol.
Chad Sims did you see how fast he was shooting? I slow down and get better groups that way. I'm not an expert but I can hit steel consistently at 800 if I take my time. Recoil is so light you can rapid fire and hit targets sub 500 yards. Spend the money on the lower..... trigger, PRS stock. Barrels are not very expensive and they are easy to install. With the Valkyrie, 300 Blackout, and 5.56 uppers the AR-15 can do anything I want pretty cheap.
If you don't shoot 800 yards+ and don't reload Grendel is probably better. Barrels last longer and ammo is fairly inexpensive.
This right here is what I love about y'alls channel. Straight-forward reviews...no bs...with just enough technical specs sprinkled in for all us gun-nerds out there. Hell yeah...
Please do a video like this for 6.5 grendel i love mine i think this caliber is a fad that will go away very over hyped
fishin fool its a grendel thing they don't understand lol...... I love mine as well. We made a wise choice my friend!
I love mine as well. Just wish prices would come down a little bit. I don’t reload but thinking that may be the best option.
I've bin saving my brass thinking about the option. I shoot federal American eagle otm 120gr my AR seems to like it the most. $22 box's from buds gun shop spend $200 Get free shipping!
6.5 Grendel is a fad.
Love the 6.5 Grendel as well. Very limited ammo tho. The CZ 527 with a 24" bbl rocks.
Big deal, it's a slightly downloaded .22-250 that fits in an AR action, why do I want this when 6.5 Grendel exists isn't a high pressure bore burner.
Andrew Kuper cause your not gettin the accuracy and speed at distance you get with the 224
Andrew Kuper if the price on ammo comes down it beats the 5.56 in every aspect with the same recoil so that's why
Compared to the 6.5 Grendel, you get more velocity, but with less mass meaning terminal energy is either going to be comparable or favor the Grendel. There's nothing about the either round that will be more accurate than the other. Yes, theoretically the .224 Valkyrie has more long range potential, but we're talking 1200 yards instead of 1000 yards and that just isn't relevant to most shooters. What IS relevant is the fact that Valkyrie, Creedmoor, .22-250, etc burn through barrels in as little as 1000 rounds because of the high pressures and velocity. 6.5 Grendel has lower pressures than 5.56 so barrels last longer.
Andrew Kuper 6.5 creedmoor isn't that tough on barrels. Should easily get close to 308 barrel life.
That bullet drop on the Grendel is no joke. Hornady advertises a 50+ inch drop at 500 yards WITH a 200 yard zero.
But, but, but...Federal says 1:7" is the proper twist for this caliber, and they invented it and even released a video reiterating that point, so you guys must be wrong! /sarcasm
Federal recommends 1:7" for the majority of shooters who will use their cheaper bulk 60 and 75gr loads, and anything from 55-85 for that matter. They also state it works just fine in a barrel long enough to bring the 90gr over 2700fps. They recommend faster twists than 1:7" for builds that feature shorter barrels.
Nuance and actually understanding subjects is difficult, though, so no worries, just carry on being an idiot, if at least a sarcastic idiot.
Amy M ...lol. yeah I think Federal got caught trying to be the new "hotness"
AMU was using 1:6.5" back in '05 for 90gr .224 SMKs. Just sayin.
Lapping is great.. but I found that a simple re-crowning can increase accuracy by a pretty good margin
Good job guys.
You've convinced me that I've no need of a .224
My wife thanks you too.
Try 6.5CM, 3k+ muzzle velocity, over 1,000lbs at 600.
My buddy just built one so I'll get to experience one hands on. Other than the ar platform, I dont think I would take one over my bolt action 6mm Remington. I know it's getting obsolete with these newer calibers like the creedmore. But it's still a shooter at longer distances for sure.
You guys in America are just playing with so many different guns, while I am stuck with airsoft lol
hermansen come to america my dude we have pie and guns here
Haha okay, Im on my way!
Well I'll have to hop the pond as well.
hermansen Come down South my friend
You can't shoot your friends with those though LOL!
Can you do this same type of video for 6.5 Grendel?
As a 6.5 Creedmoor reloading bench rest shooter, I'm interested in this less expensive semiauto alternative with a decent BC. Not ready to commit. but thanks for a great video.
I am definitely interested in that lapping video you were talking about.
I work with cryo shears. They cut smooth and clean. It's no bs!
I've looked into 224 Valkyrie, not a fan do to cost alone. Will stick to 556 NATO.
great caliber. what do you think of 6.5 grendel?
They ignore it. MY guess it no one will pay them or give them free Grendel stuff to plug
Grendel is garbage in comparison to 224. Grendel is supersonic only to 800 yards vs 1300 for 224. BC for grendel is .305 vs .564 for 224.
No comparison...
@@1994F150L Grendel is a great round. But it's not a super long range round. It's just much better than 5.56. Not every caliber has the same purpose.
Just bought the Mossberg Semi-Auto 224 Carbine and it is freaking phenomenal. With a red/green dot sight, I was hitting pretty much everything at 100 200 300 yards and unfortunately they didn’t have anything at this range past that. No I was eyeing a bird who looked like he was a half mile down the road. LOL. It’s definitely a growler rifle. Who has one of these and what suppressor are you using? I want something to quiet this thing as much as possible. Other than that, I am ridiculously happy with this gun. It’s no wonder they designed it for competition. Once that green dot was dialed in, I was just amazed how easy it was, as it pretty much hit anything. The problem with a weapon like this and especially once you get it dialed in, is then you want to start aiming at anything as far away as you can possibly hit it. Simply because you know that you probably can. LOL. But yeah, anybody out there that is using a suppressor like this or something even better, let me know what I need to get and where. Because if I could quiet this down to a whisper,It would be nuts. Basically a 224 caliber sniper rifle. Thank you in advance.
You know how accurate and far a gun can hit, when after your first 5 to 10 rounds of using it for the first time... you start taking a deep breath and holding it, as if Osama bin Laden’s on the other end waiting for your call. LOL.
You guys should do what I started doing and instead of using steel targets, go out and buy a bunch of used drum symbols and gongs if you can find them. One, you hear them much better and two, you get great flashes and sparks along with that sound. Definitely a much more exciting target to hit. Especially,The bigger the symbol you can find. You can find these all over eBay and Facebook, not to mention your local pawn shops and garage sales for almost nothing.
I have a Savage msr .224 valkyrie and no federal load will shoot without blowing a primer Federal really shit the bed on providing a good reliable round for really the rifle they designed it for.... I am now using UNDERWOOD .224 controlled chaos and it shoots amazing i am getting 1" at 200 yards and zero failures to date i just did a hog hunt last weekend and i was hitting hogs at 300-650 yards without a problem i am very happy with the set up i am running right now but it took me a lot of work to tune the rifle and find a good ammo. For anyone who wants to know how i tuned the rifle just replace the buffer spring with a JP TAKE THAT FLAT SPRING AND THROW IT IN THE GARBAGE its junk and replace the buffer weight with a H2 it will make the action a lot smoother and reduce bolt bounce and felt recoil.
Compare this round to the appearance of the 5.45 x 39 and they look alarmingly similar. Ballastics may be different but the infamous Ak-74 round was also used in a bolt action rifle to a limited degree.
The current line of firearms chambered in .224 Valkyrie are muzzle heavy and overpriced, both of which may be sorted out soon enough. I just can't see where this fits other than a new bench rifle to reach out a wee bit farther.
In the right hands, the ubiquitous 308/7.62 x 51 has what takes and any requirements outside of it's effective range is best addressed with something above 185 grains.
Small and fast penetrates body armor but bigger is just nastier at longer range. Yes, I know. It's just about having fun and trying new things. Goog luck finding exotic rounds during the next shortage, especially if it's ever a protracted one.
224 Valkyrie was just designed to be a valid long range contender out of an ar15 sized action. It’s not meant to kill big game at long range, just hit steel and paper. It also remains supersonic past 1000 yards which is better than 308 even with heavy bullets
The grains of the projectiles are much different
If you've ever hunted wolf's or yotes past 600 yards you'd love this caliber.
Kill Joy ... also I believe that .224 Valkerie is a necked down 6.8, at least that's what I heard early on.
Brian ... Which if I understand it right, is why the B.C is so high on this round.
I have been reading some of the comments on this and I am really amazed at how some people really should have not been allowed to ever own a gun. The stupid comments are laughable to say the least. People keep comparing the .224 to the 6.5 and that is apples and oranges. The .224 was developed for 2 things. 1) shooting paper out past 1300 yds with little recoil so it make shooting more enjoyable. 2) Varmint hunting. With this round you do little damage to the pelt, unlike bigger cartridges.
Now we get into the shooting a barrel out at 1000 or 2000 rounds.... What type of dope are you smoking????? If you are shooting the barrel out with 2000 rds then you have one substandard barrel... I wonder if those who make that claim even understand what shooting a barrel out really means? You might have a slight reduction in accuracy after 2 to 3 thousand rounds, but that is a crap load of rds, and this myth that you need to shoot sub - MOA is unrealistic. I know for a fact, having been with the 12th SFG (Abn) that if your shooting MOA groups past 300 yards you are doing very well and they are all kill shots !!!!!! To many X-box rangers are on these comments and have a very skewed perception of reality..... This round is a great round and while there are kinks to work out it fits into it's place in your gun cabinet just fine.
Heat is what destroys barrel. And when long range shooting or varmint hunting 1/4” matter. 1/4” at a hundred years is 3” at 1200. That’s the difference in being on the plate or off the plate. At that point you rebarrel. And the barrel to that person is shot out because it no longer fits their Individual needs. Now I’m not saying that that it won’t last more than 2000 rounds. But if you took an ar-15 chambered in 22-250 and shot 20 hundred round drum makes full auto not down time. The barrel would be trash if the gun itself didn’t blow to pieces from firing before the round chambers. Ending badly for the user. There is so much that goes into it that no one can say how many rounds it takes.
@@dieselman6.457 OK, but what is your point? That has nothing to do with my comment. You are trying to compare cooking your barrel out with normal shooting. Only a fool would do that to their barrel. In normal varmint hunting you could go 20 to 30 mins between shots, and long range shooting should not heat the barrel up that much to make a difference. If it did then most M-16's would be toast after the first firefight, and I am he to say from experience having been in them, that even if the barrel does get hot the barrel is of significant quality that you can still hit what your aiming at.
To many people like to make claims that are so over the top when it comes to rounds and shooting out barrels that it is quite frankly ridiculous. In the real would normal people don't go out to destroy their guns, and those that think that every little variable is earth stopping really need to find a new hobby.
John Vervalen ignorance in its bliss I guess. If you read I said clearly it wouldn’t be shot out in 2000 rounds. Two I said in a 22-250 which is notably hotter than a 5.56 would trash a barrel in rapid fire. Speaking in terms of facts not just reality. I can make a 300 win mag not mess up hide, and have less recoil. A 6.5 creedmoor heavy barrel that’s more accurate has greater ballistics and low recoil. If you think 6.5 has recoil you shouldn’t own a gun. 338 and 50 bmg has recoil. Point is the gun is trying to fix an issue no one has even had or asked for. Second point being I didn’t disagree on anything but the heat is what breaks the barrel down. One round generates more heat so the second does more damage. Long range shooters shoot more than one round Aka the video long range multiple rounds in fast fire. Burning the barrel up. Hate somewhere else my point was temperature matter more than anything.
You were in 12th Group when?
@@Viper-fl4vx Late 80's early 90"s
Nice to see that you are doing 224 Valkyrie. Been interested on it but info on it is 50/50. I also thought about the LWRC receiver kit to sit the bullets longer so looking forward to that if you do it. Also wondering what dies are you using. Keep the info coming on this cartridge.
Thank you for the video!!! When you learn, we learn! I'm glad you brought up laping the upper reciever. I just heard about this a couple of weeks ago and I'm anxious to try it. I've got one AR in particular that I've spent an embarrassing amount of money on and it still shoots 1.5 inch groups. I really think its problem may be in the upper reciever. When you make your video, please lap several different receivers and show us the witness marks. Thanks again guys!
Just a heads up for everyone here I work in sporting goods at Walmart CHECK YOUR LOCAL WALMART mini 14s clearanced to $399 Ruger 10/22 takedown $169 and Nikon buck master scope $25 these are home office markdowns so ever Walmart should have the same prices
Cody Mobley no I'm not sold the last one I had last night was so damn pissed I was going to buy it when I got off call your Walmart see if they have 1 it's the mini 14 ranch don't ask price go there in person if they have one and buy it
Cody Mobley they clearanced last week to $599 customer came in told me to scan my 10/22 takedown which was clearanced to $249 it clearanced again to $169 so I scanned the mini and it clearanced again to $399 so if their tags aren't correct have them scan it
Just went to 2 Wal-Mart's both had same price of 338.99
Spencer :harrison did you buy one
Spencer :harrison tell them to scan them 10/22 clearanced to $169 mini 14s are 399
Wow. What will the barrel life be? I suspect no more than 1k rounds. It seems it overpromised and under delivered. Good news it made the Grendel more popular.
This barrel currently has about 1,500 through it so far. Haven't seen any accuracy degradation yet but we'll be examining it at about the 2k mark. Chad
Iraqveteran8888 ok cool. I was researching the 6 vs 6.5 creedmore and apparently the smaller and faster a bullet is along with twist rate wears barrels out. But I've only read that and have no experience.
Brandon M only holds one more grain of powder than a 5.56 and is shooting at lower pressures with high b.c. bullets at slower velocities. I think barrel life will be fine.
A Gun shop try too get me to pick up 224 laughed and bought a grendel and love it
Brandon M barrel life should be better than 5.56/223 Rem due to heavier slower bullets.
I'm a huge fan. But I just saw this video. And great shooting and Greatly appreciated the information thank you. You guys make great videos
I'm sure they'll get some top shelf engineers to work out the jacket separation problems. I agree with Chad that the .224 Valkyrie was probably released to the public too early. As to some people saying that it's overhyped, you're probably right, but only time will tell if it catches on and becomes more popular or if it is relegated to being a handloaders' novelty.
haha who remembers when 1 minute was a huge deal?
Excuse my ignorance... But what's the point of this?
What can this do that say, .243 WSSM can't? Weighty bullets, higher velocities and so on? I know some rounds are inherently more accurate than others. Is that the purpose? I just don't know...
XtremeConditions nothing it has nothing over it other than being in a AR platform. You know what else it will be basically in the same boat as .243 wssm because not very many people even consider one now. The market was locked up with the standard calibers. 6.5 was good enough to push its way in a feel solely because people forgot the .260 Remington was a round that’s basically the same just slightly different.
At first i remember thinking Chad was an imposter on Erics channel. Lol. Obviously after watching more videos my opiniom changed. Now you both feel like Southern brothers that can provide not only entertainment but information, comfort, and almost family or friend level furfillment and smiles when i tune in and catch up on some videos.
My 6PDK which is a 6mmX6.8SPC wildcat dating back to 2010 predates the Valkyrie, and is every bit as good ballistically speaking without the issues. I have killed numerous groundhogs [637 yards], coyotes, and feral hogs with ZERO ISSUES. I have connected on a 12" square AR500 steel plate at 1,000 yards regularly! 1/2 MOA with a 20" 1:7.5 Krieger barrel chambered by John Holliger.
I’m not a big fan of the 224 but it’s great for predator round
yea i was wondering what it's purpose was n so far that's all i can see but i dont see the point cuz it cant do anything the 6.5 creedmoor can do ... n better
So what does this do that 6.5 Grendel doesn't.....
Big6Duke stays sonics at 1300 yards
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No. Actually, it does not. That was mfr hype buddy.
Tim Tdb yes i know it doesn't that's just what it is supposed to do I have 3 of them
Burns up barrels in 2000 rounds.
Building my 1st 224 Valk rifle now. That was a SICK 800 yard group! I'll be handloading for it, so I'm hopeful I can get good results. Keep Em comin guys!
Great video! I look forward to seeing future videos as you make changes to the rifle or your reloads to see what kind of improvements you might get.
Anybody try berger bullets in the 224 yet?
6.5 Grendel > .224 Valkyrie
nope.
Jonathan Debona Yup
Dude, I built a .224 Valkarie with a 1/7 Twist Faxon Match series and we are shooting the Federal 77 grain and we've been hitting within a a 5 inch group at 500 yards. The moment we used Hornady 88 grain, the rounds were all over the place and I hit nothing at 500 yards. So far, I love this caliber, very amazing, very accurate.
Those 90s really smack the steel HARD 🙂🇺🇸
if it becomes a mainstream cartridge with 40 something cents or less with tons of guys making ammo or even freaking brown bear making some ill get it
At .54 for fed 75 grain. Not too bad for a few mags of plinking.
Use the FREAKIN dials and put your dope in!
9:53 You're welcome.
S Privacy I know, when he was at 800 and using the hash marks was killing me!
Naw. Get good at Kentucky Windage and there is no need for dials. Especially when you're hunting and have 0 seconds to get that shot off
Kentucky windage works on the fly learn your gun not math. Not everyone watching this is a spec ops long range plate shooter some of us like hair in front of us when we send it down range. To use seconds matter. Military snipers learn to shoot both ways.
Got a Stag arms 22" .224, 1in 7, finally got dialed in at 100 yds with an Athlon 6-24 x50, sub moa groups with factory Fed 75 grain. If I can get some more pine trees down , can open up a 500 yd line of site . But... owning a tree service after hurricane Florence directly hitting us, may be a while tillI get back out there. Good review.
I thoroughly enjoy the long range videos. Could you do a long range video on 6.5 Grendel?
Can you do a mid-life crisis meltdown?
Mo Sayid That’s every day for me man. Kids and a Malinois. Lol
Chad Sims - haha 😂
Federal just wanted their piece of the pie, so they came up with the Valkyrie. It's going to be another 6.5 Grendel in a year or so. Soon to be forgotten .....
roostershooter76 lmao, 6.5G is forgotten?? By whom? We've been selling loads of them here in CA. It's the number one selling cartridge for our shop in the AR platform.
Edit: if you had said 6.8SPC I would possibly agree.
6.5 grendel is here to stay,awesome round. Only 5.56,300 black,and 6.5 grendel deserve to live,all other ar calibers are waste of time.
WTF are you smoking? Grendel is a popular cartridge. Even Wolf makes the ammo.
det414
Valkyrie is being picked up faster than any new round I've ever seen.
Grendel has been around since 2003. Valkyrie maybe.....a year?
And most AR barrel manufacturers have several choices for Valkyrie already. I like both calibers, if you want 800+yard performance in a AR-15, Valkyrie is a great choice for ringing gongs.
I think you underestimate the Grendel's popularity and market share.
Thanks Chad and Eric, another great video! Standing by for the video on lapping uppers.
I am excited to see how this round develops and manufacturers refine their products for it. A gun that maintains that speed and less drop over a long distance in a normal sized AR would be very cool. A lot more dudes have an AR-15 lower they could drop a .224 upper and bolt onto than money to build or buy an AR-10. Federal was smart to bank on that.
Holding the rifle like a California featureless gunner. Welcome
That's the grip precision shooters used long before California enacted its dumbass firearm laws.
F this, ill stick will ol trusty 5.56 and 308. Both are capable of hits to 1000 so good enough for me. I mean i doubt anyone is gonna get successful hits to the supposed 1300 yards with this 224 barrel burner. Reliability is key when it comes to guns and the 224 just failed.
I loaded up 100 308's last night to fire form bout half federal and half Hornady once fired brass
Being a barrel burner is complete speculation by keyboard commandos, I'm not seeing any appreciable throat wear at all after 2k rounds down this barrel. Per my data and GeoBallistics I'm showing the 90gr round going transonic around 1350 yards, so far the drop table has been spot on using their weather meter at my elevation of around 700-900 ft. Only pushed it to 800 so far though. Reliability? I've not had a single feeding or extraction issue out of the caliber at all between three different rifles. There are still some gremlins to work out, but once they are eliminated I fell this caliber will really be an awesome performer.
@@chads3356 its not keyboard commandos its based off the fact that the higher the velocity and the smaller the projectile the more wear you have on your barrel. If the 6.5 creedmoor is a barrel burner i would assume this would be just as bad if not worse.
Donald Dickins So far I’m not seeing it man. I expected to see some pretty apparent wear of the throat but it looks brand new, I was very surprised. Literally just looks at it a few hours ago. I spoke with the GM of JP Rifles yesterday and they have multiple barrels at 5k rounds with negligible throat wear. I feel that the “barrel burner” status was hyped up by people on forums that haven’t even shot the round honestly. The powders used in these top end loads are actually relatively slow as well, I mean I’m loading Reloader 17 now which is more of a light magnum powder.
I have found that my 20" AR chambered in .224 Valkyrie with 88 ELD-M's likes it best @ 2690 fps out of a JP Rifles, rifle length +2" gas, 1:7 Cryo barrel. The std 90 gr SMK's were near 2850 fps. Too fast!!! The Valkyrie when dialed in with handloads doesn't shoot any faster than my 20" AR chambered in .223, pushing 68 gr BTHP Hornady projectiles. I have thousands of rounds out of the .223's 416R SS, 5R rifled barrel. I would expect that this .224 Valk barrel, with the same jump to the lands, to hold-up just as well. I have very close to 2000 rds down range so far with the .224 and it just keeps getting better. And not one single feed issue or malfunction!!!!!!!
I still don't see why everyone wants to compare a .224" caliber with a 6.5 mm caliber? They are not equivalents.
Great video and great shooting! I can’t wait to try out my ballistics advantage 224! Just got to get a day at the range!
On squaring the reciever, im an amateur. I had tooling to make my own squaring tool and i use it on every one i put together. I have a machinist background so im on the basics of what it takes to get things straight and square. I built a 5.56 ar that i have $268.00 in that consistently puts them in a dime hole at 100 yds. Thats the longest available to me. My 6.5 grendal is no different. I built a 223 wylde for my stepson for christmas and the same results! The grendel cost me about $425.00. My 6.8 spc is there too. My budfies bushmaster got more accurate as well as his 6.5 grendel. We are pig hunters in florida. I dont have to lug that big heavy .35 lever gun anymore!
Scam caliber like .22 Nosler.
Rifle Shooter Channel The Nosler is like a small .284 Winchester. Which shoots well.
Not a scam, but not worthy of the hype either.
pretty much... but Nosler was more foolish than this. At least 224V has a noticeably larger case.
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I haven't gotten to the second one but the first is just an accident right?
@@sammiches2555 an "accident" yeah right, you can hear them acknowledge there American, they also fight over who will bomb them next
Wish I had friends like you guys. Wish I had friends period
Really appreciate your research. Keep it coming.
theres a new wildcat cartidge every week you are just wasting money
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I watch your videos everyday while drinking my coffee!!! I love this stuff ....what a life shoot guns have fun stay safe...
You 2 are one hell of a knowledgeable team! Thx for the vid!
Once this cartridge gets perfected, it will be a HUGE favorite especially the competitive shooting scene. Being able to reach out to over 1k yards with such a small projectile, in such a small platform, is a more comfortable AR platform with less recoil than a 6.5 creed. I've never been a Grendel guy, but I do own a few 6.5 Creedmoors and .260 Rem, and I love their accuracy at range. Obviously with the velocity of this projectile, you're going to run through barrels a little quicker, but I think competitiors won't care as long as they are getting optimum performance. I believe this will be like the 6.5 Creedmoor and actually will become popular, or it will be like the 5.7 and stick around because people have a vested interest in the cartridge. I doubt this cartridge dies unless a cartridge comes out that mimics its performance at a lower price point and AR build friendly, short action, low recoil (which is gonna be hard to do). I definitely want to try one of the AR platforms. As far as hunting or military applications, it's pretty much non existent, but for competitive long range, this can be a real winner.
Hey IV8888, did you guys ever take us to the shop for the lapping video? If it improves accuracy is it possible to do at home? Would love to see that vid, keep up the GREAT work guys!
Helping build a coyote gun im pushing to be built in this caliber. Video has been pretty helpful
Chad
please do a reloading video on the .224 valkarie johnnys reloading bench did several vids on it but I like going thru and learning from other reloaders experience and abillitys from their bench with the equipment they have thanks
I'll be putting one together once I'm able to get a few more OCW tests under my belt and see what works and what doesn't. Stay tuned.
THAT CASE AND SHOULDER SHOW AN AMAZING DESIGN.
That looks like fun to shoot. Just curious, why did you pick the number 8888 for your profile?
Thanks for the name drop, bro!
224 Valkyrie was made to one up 223. 223 will explodie your limbs from your torso, but the extra .001 is an incendiary device that is also 1/4th radioactivity.
And a great video with some great content. Breaking the norm on valkyrie information online!
Id say youre shooting right up against Bowater pine tree harvesting farm. We got those all over the South. Looks like a transmission line right of way. Back when I was a kid you could get up on a hill and shoot far as your round could go down those lines. Wasn't anyone living within a mile of most of em.
I've got to say, a lot of guys here dont know what they are talking about. Saying the same bullshit that people said 6.5 creedmoor was just a fad. Look where we are right now with that.
To add to that, the 224 valkyrie has over a 6000 round barrel life, even hot rodding the 90 grain pills to 2800 or more.
There are guys shooting these in PRS swapping barrels around the 6k mark. Some are getting more. It is an extremely low recoil flat shooting round.
Simply put, people need to do more research. Frank Gallie, anyone who knows anything about long range shooting knows who that is, got 3 for 3 hits at a mile with a bolt action 224 valkyrie.
Obviously, every cartridge has its pros and cons and each has its purpose, otherwise everyone would be shooting the same exact setup. Regardless, people need to be a bit more open minded and quit jumping to conclusions saying new things are "just fads".
To add on to it, factory ammo for this is cheap as hell. Yeah it isnt as cheap as 223. but when you compare it to any 6mm that actually do burn barrels. It is significantly cheaper.
Frank also is running a JP and he's a scout sniper, so he's maximizing the potential of the platform. I also think that a lot of these guys that are upset about accuracy are not realistic. Gas guns are harder to shoot than bolt guns. The entire video you can see the younger shooter slapping the trigger and not follow through (holding the trigger back and control reset) on a single shot. That certainly affects accuracy significantly. I think the last few years there's been a lot of hype about hyper accurate gas guns on TH-cam. Even with a Wilson Combat, Les Baer, JP Enterprises, Nemo, etc AR platform I doubt a lot of the TH-cam studs could still shoot an MOA group with the exception of a few.
Gain twist may help keep the jacket from ripping itself apart with such a high twist. Start with 1:9 at the chamber and end with 1:6.5 at the muzzle. Will help with maintaining some more velocity as well.
Spushed I’ve seen these gain twist barrels in the past and definitely may try one in the future 👍🏻
cut window magazine also mill/dremel your upper feed ramps and lower receiver gain even more length
I love that I searched this round, and yours is the first video that came up....(for a change)....I love your videos.
You guys never scese to amaze. What a fantastic video. Thank you so Much. Chad and Eric, you have found a superb screen sharer in LittleRem!!!
I’ve been looking at a Savage MSR 10 LR in 6.5 creedmore. Would you recommend this rifle and caliber over the Savage? Thanks
You guys are the best!! Thank you for everything and all you do!