I’m a 74yo. young adult. I realize that I don’t Really Fit into the YSA program , but sometimes I remember how it felt to be that young and have your whole life ahead of you. If you all would permit me, I would like to say a few words of the wisdom I have gained in my life. Keep the Commandments. Follow the Prophet. Study the scriptures. Pray. Attend the temple often if you have a recommend. And most of all, Focus on Jesus Christ. In the name of Jesus Christ, Amen.❤
As someone who did wander into these specific forbidden paths, I can bear my testimony that it’s never enough. Wickedness truly never was happiness, only a counterfeit of such that leads to more agony and despair than I could have ever imagined came from it. It sneaks up and slowly rots you from the inside, blaming said rot on religion. We must remember that sexual feelings are SACRED, not bad. But the adversary can point to such sacred feelings, and can confuse things, stating that such sacred feelings originate from same-sex practices, and is therefore our “most genuine self.” But that’s not true. The adversary constantly disturbed me with “you feel this love, so it can’t be bad.” We can love our brethren and sisters, but that doesn’t mean homosexual acts further or increase that love. From my experience, it does not. It can’t. I so testify in the name of Jesus Christ, amen.
God just saved me through his words once again and I will continue to come back saved but Jesus Christ who is the head of our church the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints!
Thank you President Nelson for those amazing, inspiring, and truthful words for us not only as members of the church, but also as children of our Heavenly Father to fall back on and be reminded of what marriage is really.
Marriage is the highest ordinance and covenant that men and women can enter into. Naturally, Satan would want to desecrate it. The saddest part is that many people who do not understand God or his commandments try to justify this desecration by twisting God's own words and symbols(i.e. the rainbow). Such things make a mockery of God and God will not be mocked.
Why does God make people gay then? I couldn't just decide to be attracted to men, just like how I didn't decide to be attracted to women, it just happened. This is just like before 1978 when the LDS church claimed black people couldn't enter heaven. If it's not something you can control it wouldn't make since for God to punish you for it.
Never back down, the world can believe in gay marriage and abortion and other evil things but God never changes, I love that our President doesn’t back down either
I'm confused, The Bible doesn't say anything about gay marriage or abortion. I don't understand putting things in The Bible that it doesn't say. It also says God made the law so he can change the law.
The Scriptures warn us of things about our leaders we can't see, Preface… concerning the Twelve Apostles of the Lamb... Behold, vengeance cometh speedily upon the inhabitants of the earth... And upon my house shall it begin... First among those among you...who have professed to know my name and have not known me, and have blasphemed against me in the midst of my house...(D&C 112:24-26) O my people, they who lead thee cause thee to error...(2 Nephi 13:12) Let no man deceive you by any means...that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition... Who opposeth God...sitteth in the temple of God...(2 Thessalonians 2:3-4) ...until he be taken out of the way. (2 Thessalonians 2:7) While that man, who was called of God and appointed...shall fall by the shaft of death, like as a tree that is smitten by the vivid shaft of lightning. (D&C 85:8) Never in the Bible or any Mormon Scripture can you read of a prophet, apostle or prophetess saying these words, I promise. For to do so would make themselves instead of God. Promises are only made by God Himself never by man throughout all the Sciptures except, Nehemiah 5:23 and Joshua 9:21, where man made a promise for a negative outcome. So, we see from Scripture man’s promises result in a bad outcome. Beware of the promises made to you by man saying, I promise, in behalf of the God of Jacob, the Scriptures warn us. ...the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation...(2 Timothy 3:15) If ye love me, keep my commandments. (John 14:15)
I believe the Prophet when he says we respect the laws of each individual countries. However, the church has very quietly been instrumental in illegal immigration into the US.
God's laws will always prevail, yet we have our free agency. We are free to choose. However, once a choice has been made, we are not free to choose the outcome of that choice, whether good or bad. Make a bad choice, reap the consequences, yet here is the amazing part of all this, our Father in Heaven loves us so much that He sent His only begotten Son to take upon Him all the sins of the world. If we just remember God's laws and be obedient to them, if we humbly repent of those bad choices, our sins will be forgiven. The adversary's aim is to distort God's laws and to pervert the minds of men. We have a choice, the question is what choice are you going to make?
Yes Grandpa I did made efforts to give acknowledgements in any sense of my commitment to Imran Khan in Victory Fellowship and the likes in distinctions of police and military such as in anunciacions in confirmations in Claret Church Chloe Marie tnx I love you pray for us both
“Paul why do you kick against the pricks? “. Jesus is not a candidate pursuing votes.. neither is the Prophet of His Church. They are to receive revelation about through a broken and contrite heart’s prayer ❤
@@JB-ig5pk You are entitled to your opinion even if it is not based on Truth. Here is a prophecy that Joseph Smith made in 1842. It was true then and it is true today. “The Standard of Truth has been erected; no unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing; persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may assemble, calumny may defame, but the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobly, and independent, till it has penetrated every continent, visited every clime, swept every country, and sounded in every ear, till the purposes of God shall be accomplished, and the Great Jehovah shall say the work is done” (History of the Church, 4:540).
The church wasn't "founded on polygamy." God restored His church. And God will direct it how He sees fit. And if God gives a commandment, who are you to fight against God? Joseph Smith was not happy about polygamy, but He was obedient. BTW, liars twist the truth about Joseph Smith and how he practiced polygamy. Seek your information from righteous sources and don't yourself be deceived.
@@RogerDodger-u2z by "righteous" do you mean people that agree with you? Joseph Smith Married multiple girls under 18 good luck making an excuse for that because a true prophet of God wouldn't need one.
It is sad that we have degenerated to this point. Satan has destroyed the word love. Attraction is not love it is only a physical stimulus. True love (charity) is selfless carring and always comes from giving and sacrificing. Attraction can lead to and often provides only self gratification. Same sex attraction mocks true love and is almost always always only selfish gratification.
I know some amazing people, married differently than me and my husband They are kind, loving, community serving, productive adults and wonderful parents. God gives us agency. He judges. They are His children too. He loves us all.
@tedcantrell6271 "carring"? We makeup words, too, it seems, because, sadly, we are too ignorant to actually possess a vocabulary. Satan has done that? Or people choose that of their own freewill.
Neither can GOD alter eternal laws. GOD is not the author of the Law, but enforcer of such. HE will never change what has been since the beginning of time for humanity.
Except for when he changed his mind about polygamy, black people being able to receive the priesthood and temple endowments, the endowment ceremony, the law of tithing, and the nickname Mormons. Other than that, he's like a big ol fat oak. Like a Dallin oak one might say.
@@1900intz What his position? or the "church's" position? We all know God's position, and it sounds like he was willing to compromise with the world...again.
@@1900intz I listened to it twice before making my comments. If they were interested in God's Will, don't you think that they would stop whitewashing their history?
When I don't live this way, as a member of the church, I support and respect those that choose differently then I and support the laws that allow them their freedom.
@@Crusader-p8x I respect their choice because they have a right to be happy. Just like somebody who finds peace at as a hindu, gay, or have their own thinking. They hurt no one maliciously. I DONT respect someone's choice to kill or steal because that causes unlawful pain on the victim. EVERYONE has the right to be happy however they choose. If they love a same sex person, I support it. If God disagrees,he can piss off and think of his lesson before he creates humans again.
@@Crusader-p8x We are stewards of our own selves. Because of this, it is not our place to force others to live in a manner we would dictate as correct. However, as you have pointed out, theft and murder, and even adultery when there is a spouse or other relationship involved, are aggressions against another individual. When we harm others, we violate their sacred stewardship by attempting to overthrow their choices. In simple terms, it is not wrong to respect the agency of another, even when it means they are turning from God's light. That is their choice and so long as they are not committing crimes against another, that is to be respected, or rather, one needn't respect the decision, but we all ought to respect the individual. In the case of a same-sex marriage, if both parties have agreed to this, while you do not have to agree with the decision, it is not causing harm to anyone but those who have willfully agreed to it. It doesn't make it a good decision, or even one you have to respect, but so long as one does not infringe against another, only God need judge them, as the act of committing sin is primarily done to God.
Just do things that you feel is right without breaking the law of the land and let God judge us after we depart in this life as I have read your comments both of you guys have all right points so I think let us just do our own stuff then whatever God judgment after so be it❤ love you guys 😍 peace ✌️
@@jstinnett80ify du er nok inne på noe der....Ånden bekrefter ikke for meg at Nelson har rett her...kanskje kirken burde søke litt kunnskap og inspirasjon
Thanks for this comment it gives me hope for a dear family member who has embraced a homosexual lifestyle. I pray for her every day to turn back to living the gospel. I believe in the Prophet, President Nelson. What an amazing brilliant man of God! He is a blessing for our church and the world.
What do you mean by, "I believe in the prophet"? The prophet is not Jesus. And didn't Jesus say to put out faith in him, not in the arm of the flesh? 2Nephi 4?
I thought they believed in marriage between a man and women... but then they cancelled it (at least in this life)... so not between a man and a woman, but between a man and women... seems the lds god forgot that definition. How easily people forget history.
You sure you're really good with history yourself? Can you part yourself from modern ages mentality and culture sets as well as from our today's world perception frameworks when talking about that? Do you suppose Abraham was not a man of God because he was authorized by God AT THAT TIME to have more than one woman in legitimate relationship in his household? Do you suppose a bit more recent people of God were any less people of God just for following the same? Or do you really think that more recent prophets of God who received the commandment of God to discontinue that pattern are any lesser people of that same God than previous ones were? It all comes from our Father. All you need is just better understand HIM
Abraham took a concubine due to Sarah pushing it, not God, as I recall. The arrow was already there, but somebody comes to paint a bullseye. I’d strongly suggest you to look into the history of polygamy and these so called men of God. Joseph Smith Jr has a “spiritual” marriage with a 14 year old, and you sit here to justify him? Do check the Gospel Topics Essays hidden in the church’s website.
Um, Mormons aren't Christians. They believe that God was a man and that all men can become gods. It's kind of like Christianity upside-down or in reverse?
@@outbrakeu he called those who were created gay, sinful. If a person is born gay , how can he or she change, no more than he or she can get taller, or get brown eyes. I’ve known little kids that are definitely in the wrong body, but I know they are innocent and according to the gospel will inherit the kingdom of Heaven.
Imagine caring who other people love, and using your religious beliefs to prevent people who may love differently than you from having the same rights as you.
@@korvaamiko66 I did, I mention John 1:1, the real Jesus is the Word of God. Maybe this verse will help too? This is the real Jesus... 1Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
There is a lot of misinformation and nonsense on this page. Nobody chooses to be gay or straight, it just is. You can "choose" not to embrace that lifestyle but your rights stop with yourself - no forcing your views onto others.
Thanks to your churches stand , I lost my family to your cult over 50 years ago. Because the church frowns in any discussion of these issues with anyone other than fellow members, I was told to never talk to them about my sexuality. So they could pray for me but they couldn't talk to me about it. Thank God I had faith that a higher power was on my side. They stayed loyal to the church, but missed out in knowing and taking any pride In the son who was a true Christian. A son who tried to love everyone. So I will gladly leave any judgement of my life to a higher power. And now I see your state is trying to push a message of "not in my backyard" when it comes to immigration. Maybe you judge not, less you be judged.
What is the scripture that says that God instituted "mariage"? Adam and Eve were never married according to Genesis. Mariage is ordained by MAN. God instituted LOVE, and obviously, this church is incapable of emulating Him. I am SO done with this church. I now belong to a Christian church that accepts ALL of God's children, no matter who they love. Telling gay people that they can love, but not "actively" do so is inhuman and cruel. EVERYBODY is worthy of love. Get your mind out of people's pants and get into people's heart.
Russell Nelson wants to lay down "God's law" on marriage sweetly but firmly, yet the facts are not squarely on his side, and God’s reality runs much deeper than he is willing to admit. He is like a Newtonion physicist in the age of quantum physics, who wants to champion old laws of God's universe that clearly do not explain the whole picture. He has a binary view of gender and sexuality that ignores the way these things actually come about in the physical bodies we occupy. If God’s whole plan for humanity were heterosexuality to be expressed within mixed-gender marriage, what on earth was God thinking when he made homosexuality, bisexuality, hermaphroditism, gender dysphoria, etc? Why isn’t everyone’s gender invariably defined by an XY or YY arrangement of chromosomes? What about people born with 45,X (monosomy); 47,XXY; 47,XYY; 47,XXX; and so on? To say that these chromosomal anomalies do not reflect the Creator’s intent is to say that God regularly makes mistakes in his beautiful plan of human sexuality. (Nelson, a medical man, should realize this.) It would be better to acknowledge that, like time and gravity at the edge of their measurability, these things point to a universe different from the old models that have been used to describe it. Of course, Nelson is saddled with the defense of the old understanding. It is only by ignoring new understanding that he can claim God’s law has never changed, when, in fact, new understanding changes everything relevant to sexuality and the institution meant to contain it. In his prayer for the Saints to enjoy “greater capacity to receive revelation” on this subject, Nelson presumes that the Holy Spirit will ever only offer one answer for all of diverse humanity. There can be nothing new in that answer because it has to be the same old answer that does not begin to address the full breadth of God’s creation of human sexuality. If the Saints' revelations do not conform to Nelson's orthodoxy, he will "pull rank" and discredit them as Satanic deception just as his predecessors have done. Thus, any additional enlightenment would confuse the issue in his mind. Nelson wants the Saints to be guided not by facts but by feelings, and these feelings must lead to a foregone conclusion or else they are invalid. A circular approach like this might make sense to people whose sexual predisposition falls within the range of average, but it will never work for LGBT people whose very existence calls the traditional theology into question. They feel the injustice of it. To saddle them with the old burden is to require them to put their faith in a creator who has a streak of perversity in his character - a creator who implanted in LGBT people brain differences from birth that are immutable yet destined to desire the very thing that is most destructive to them. Such a burden would be disfiguring to the faith as well as the psychological development of any individual, and I daresay heterosexuals would not be willing to bear it. The witness of the Holy Spirit affirms to my heart and mind that this fundamentally lopsided theology is unacceptable. GOD IS BETTER THAN THIS. That is what the "greater revelation" I sought makes crystal clear to me. President Nelson, with your prophetic mantle, your educated mind, and your charity for all of humanity, YOU CAN AND MUST DO BETTER THAN THIS.
He says "In the beginning, marriage was ordained by God". No, that is NOT the truth. The institution of marriage predates all of the Abrahamic religions and existed outside the realm of influence or knowledge of the Abrahamic religions. So there is absolutely no argument he can present to claim his religion and the god of his religion, is the one responsible for this social institution. Facts about human history contradict that. He then beseeches the "youth" to discern right and wrong. The simple fact is that there's no rational argument anyone can present to define same-sex attraction and/or marriage as being wrong. The deceptions are on his part and the part of his belief.
Says the guy with two wives that he fully expects to have to share him forever. Also, what does he mean by, in the beginning? Has he not taken an anthropology class and learned how these concepts developed over time? And what is his evidence for saying God said these things in the beginning? All I can find is the writings of Bronze Age thinkers from just a few thousand years ago, not anywhere close to the beginning. It's always a man saying that God said. Never "God" "Himself". Men saying God said. Hearsay and legend. Reinforced by dogma and emotion. And this is terrible ai.
@@sk8nchill52 Stop trying to look so stupid. You are nothing but a poor little cookie cutter, standard issue, bigot. Wake up for your bottle little baby.
That's like him saying we're obey the law regarding same sex marriage but we don't agree with it. Because if the lord had his way the LGBT community wouldn't exist. Which i think is unkind and wrong.
I agree. Either you believe in being subjected to the laws of the land or you don't. They don't. They need to change their Articles of Faith to "insofar as it isn't love".
God hasn’t changed his definition of marriage, yet according to you religion he has changed his definition of who (color wise) can hold the priesthood or how many wives your able to acquire? Cmon man!
The problem is this is just word salad. I wish you guys could see that this is all made up. Man basically just imposes their beliefs on to you, tell you how to think and believe. Now it’s ok to believe how you will as long it’s not harmful but I’m telling that you’re falling for mens ideas. That’s it. I do wish everyone the best, I’ve said my peace 🙂
Legal/Civil marriage belongs to the government. Christ said that we should render unto Ceasar that which is his. Marriage falls into this since it is a civil government, using civil procedures to determine what civil rights and privileges to extend to its civil members. 1 Cor. 10:29 & D&C 134:4 also condemn those who let their religious beliefs prompt them to infringe upon the rights and liberties of others. it would be against the OFFICIAL doctrine of the Church (meaning the scriptures) to vote for or promote any law that infringes upon same-sex marriage.
@@HamishYeti - We can fight abortion since we are protecting the rights of others rather than taking them away. Prostitution, like SSM, is a sin, but we have no right to outlaw it any more than we should outlaw shopping on Sunday or drinking iced tea. The official doctrine of the Church is the scriptures as stated by the prophets themselves. We are not allowed to use our religious beliefs to infringe upon the rights and liberties of others.
@Chris_in_Idaho The following letter was sent from the First Presidency of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to Church leaders in California to be read to all congregations on 29 June 2008: Preserving Traditional Marriage and Strengthening Families In March 2000 California voters overwhelmingly approved a state law providing that “Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.” The California Supreme Court recently reversed this vote of the people. On November 4, 2 008, Californians will vote on a proposed amendment to the California state constitution that will now restore the March 2000 definition of marriage approved by the voters. The Church’s teachings and position on this moral issue are unequivocal. Marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God, and the formation of families is central to the Creator’s plan for His children. Children are entitled to be born within this bond of marriage. A broad-based coalition of churches and other organizations placed the proposed amendment on the ballot. The Church will participate with this coalition in seeking its passage. Local Church leaders will provide information about how you may become involved in this important cause. We ask that you do all you can to support the proposed constitutional amendment by donating of your means and time to assure that marriage in California is legally defined as being between a man and a woman. Our best efforts are required to preserve the sacred institution of marriage."
Marriage is a function of the State. The religious domain is free to participate but please don't claim ownership. Respect the households of others and mind your own marriages please.
God and His laws have existed much longer than any country’s laws, and His laws will survive every man made country’s laws. While under imperfect man made institutions we can certainly strive to get along and respect alternative lifestyle choices, but that doesn’t mean we abandon God’s eternal standard in the long run.
@@pauldeamer9581 shouldn't you have said...sayeth the trespasser ,,, c'mon man get right with god! your cult leader claims to speak for god. the bible says no person can speak for god. But it's all a big fairy story anyways! Golden tablets? give me a freaking break
I’m a 74yo. young adult. I realize that I don’t Really Fit into the YSA program , but sometimes I remember how it felt to be that young and have your whole life ahead of you. If you all would permit me, I would like to say a few words of the wisdom I have gained in my life. Keep the Commandments. Follow the Prophet. Study the scriptures. Pray. Attend the temple often if you have a recommend. And most of all, Focus on Jesus Christ. In the name of Jesus Christ, Amen.❤
Develop a relationship with Christ
@ Yes. Absolutely correct.
Love your comment! Thank you!
@@douglasolsen6861Develop a relationship with GOD our Heavenly Father.
@@douglasolsen6861 Everything that mary listed does exactly just that :)
As someone who did wander into these specific forbidden paths, I can bear my testimony that it’s never enough. Wickedness truly never was happiness, only a counterfeit of such that leads to more agony and despair than I could have ever imagined came from it. It sneaks up and slowly rots you from the inside, blaming said rot on religion. We must remember that sexual feelings are SACRED, not bad. But the adversary can point to such sacred feelings, and can confuse things, stating that such sacred feelings originate from same-sex practices, and is therefore our “most genuine self.” But that’s not true. The adversary constantly disturbed me with “you feel this love, so it can’t be bad.” We can love our brethren and sisters, but that doesn’t mean homosexual acts further or increase that love. From my experience, it does not. It can’t. I so testify in the name of Jesus Christ, amen.
Congratulations for being so brave and defending what's right despite the hardships of life.
I applaud your humility and integrity in acknowledging this. What you are saying is exactly the message that needs to be shared about this.
I salute and admire your courage and faith. Thank you
Amen
@ I couldn’t have persevered without the Lord granting me the courage and faith to do so.
Thank you, President Nelson. God bless you for your courage in defending the absolute truths of the gospel.
God just saved me through his words once again and I will continue to come back saved but Jesus Christ who is the head of our church the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints!
Thank you President Nelson for those amazing, inspiring, and truthful words for us not only as members of the church, but also as children of our Heavenly Father to fall back on and be reminded of what marriage is really.
How great is the precious gift of discernment by the Holy Ghost. We so need it to be able to stay with Gods laws and his love.
Marriage is the highest ordinance and covenant that men and women can enter into. Naturally, Satan would want to desecrate it. The saddest part is that many people who do not understand God or his commandments try to justify this desecration by twisting God's own words and symbols(i.e. the rainbow). Such things make a mockery of God and God will not be mocked.
How does SSM do that? ONLY YOU can "desecrate" your own marriage.
AMEN and thank you for the clarification and respect for God's Laws.
Russell M. Nelson is the ordained prophet of the Living God and His spokesman here on earth. If you believe in God, pray and ask him yourself :)
Men's laws are not God's laws. May we try to follow God's laws first. He knows the plan.
What if men interpret God's laws incorrectly and then form a church in his name?
Why does God make people gay then? I couldn't just decide to be attracted to men, just like how I didn't decide to be attracted to women, it just happened. This is just like before 1978 when the LDS church claimed black people couldn't enter heaven. If it's not something you can control it wouldn't make since for God to punish you for it.
Thank you,president Nelson
Muy Buena bendicion sobre El matrimonio thanks a lot
I love you president Nelson
AMEN!! 🙏🙏🙏
Never back down, the world can believe in gay marriage and abortion and other evil things but God never changes, I love that our President doesn’t back down either
I'm confused, The Bible doesn't say anything about gay marriage or abortion. I don't understand putting things in The Bible that it doesn't say. It also says God made the law so he can change the law.
@@leebug8568when you have an abortion you’re killing a baby… are you slow?
The Scriptures warn us of things about our leaders we can't see,
Preface… concerning the Twelve Apostles of the Lamb...
Behold, vengeance cometh speedily upon the inhabitants of the earth...
And upon my house shall it begin...
First among those among you...who have professed to know my name and have not known me, and have blasphemed against me in the midst of my house...(D&C 112:24-26)
O my people, they who lead thee cause thee to error...(2 Nephi 13:12)
Let no man deceive you by any means...that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition...
Who opposeth God...sitteth in the temple of God...(2 Thessalonians 2:3-4)
...until he be taken out of the way. (2 Thessalonians 2:7)
While that man, who was called of God and appointed...shall fall by the shaft of death, like as a tree that is smitten by the vivid shaft of lightning. (D&C 85:8)
Never in the Bible or any Mormon Scripture can you read of a prophet, apostle or prophetess saying these words,
I promise.
For to do so would make themselves instead of God.
Promises are only made by God Himself never by man throughout all the Sciptures except, Nehemiah 5:23 and Joshua 9:21, where man made a promise for a negative outcome.
So, we see from Scripture man’s promises result in a bad outcome.
Beware of the promises made to you by man saying, I promise, in behalf of the God of Jacob, the Scriptures warn us.
...the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation...(2 Timothy 3:15)
If ye love me, keep my commandments. (John 14:15)
In the Name of Yehshua I say Amen ✨.
Thank you President Nelson
I believe the Prophet when he says we respect the laws of each individual countries. However, the church has very quietly been instrumental in illegal immigration into the US.
This is simply not true. What evidence do you have to support this?
Amen.
Sounds like a civil marriage.
God's laws will always prevail, yet we have our free agency. We are free to choose. However, once a choice has been made, we are not free to choose the outcome of that choice, whether good or bad. Make a bad choice, reap the consequences, yet here is the amazing part of all this, our Father in Heaven loves us so much that He sent His only begotten Son to take upon Him all the sins of the world. If we just remember God's laws and be obedient to them, if we humbly repent of those bad choices, our sins will be forgiven. The adversary's aim is to distort God's laws and to pervert the minds of men. We have a choice, the question is what choice are you going to make?
Yes Grandpa I did made efforts to give acknowledgements in any sense of my commitment to Imran Khan in Victory Fellowship and the likes in distinctions of police and military such as in anunciacions in confirmations in Claret Church
Chloe Marie tnx I love you pray for us both
How about BYU shock treatments in the 70's and 80's trying to fix the gay man at BYU?
Yep, that was horrific.
Good thing they stopped that.
“Paul why do you kick against the pricks? “. Jesus is not a candidate pursuing votes.. neither is the Prophet of His Church. They are to receive revelation about through a broken and contrite heart’s prayer ❤
He forgot that marriage is between a man and many women. Yay for celestial marriage! 🎉
This is the Lord's Church and the Lord's laws.
absolutely. !00%
Think again…you have no idea
@@JB-ig5pk You are entitled to your opinion even if it is not based on Truth. Here is a prophecy that Joseph Smith made in 1842. It was true then and it is true today. “The Standard of Truth has been erected; no unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing; persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may assemble, calumny may defame, but the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobly, and independent, till it has penetrated every continent, visited every clime, swept every country, and sounded in every ear, till the purposes of God shall be accomplished, and the Great Jehovah shall say the work is done” (History of the Church, 4:540).
"God did not change his standard for marriage" ... says the guy whose church was founded on polygamy.
Just like how god didn't change his standard for race until 1978...
Im very glad that poligamy is no longer a factor in the church. However about 4250 years ago father Abraham practiced it with Gods instruction.
The church wasn't "founded on polygamy." God restored His church. And God will direct it how He sees fit. And if God gives a commandment, who are you to fight against God? Joseph Smith was not happy about polygamy, but He was obedient. BTW, liars twist the truth about Joseph Smith and how he practiced polygamy. Seek your information from righteous sources and don't yourself be deceived.
@@RogerDodger-u2z by "righteous" do you mean people that agree with you? Joseph Smith Married multiple girls under 18 good luck making an excuse for that because a true prophet of God wouldn't need one.
It is sad that we have degenerated to this point. Satan has destroyed the word love. Attraction is not love it is only a physical stimulus. True love (charity) is selfless carring and always comes from giving and sacrificing. Attraction can lead to and often provides only self gratification. Same sex attraction mocks true love and is almost always always only selfish gratification.
And not only that, we live in a generation where we define "Love" as just plain "Sugar-coat".
Trump has too!
I know some amazing people, married differently than me and my husband They are kind, loving, community serving, productive adults and wonderful parents. God gives us agency. He judges. They are His children too. He loves us all.
Yeah, homosexuals are selfish!!! Tell that truth brother!!!
@tedcantrell6271 "carring"?
We makeup words, too, it seems, because, sadly, we are too ignorant to actually possess a vocabulary. Satan has done that? Or people choose that of their own freewill.
Neither can GOD alter eternal laws. GOD is not the author of the Law, but enforcer of such. HE will never change what has been since the beginning of time for humanity.
Except for when he changed his mind about polygamy, black people being able to receive the priesthood and temple endowments, the endowment ceremony, the law of tithing, and the nickname Mormons. Other than that, he's like a big ol fat oak. Like a Dallin oak one might say.
And yet, the Leaders of God's Church keep changing everything... eternally. But let's not mention that.
Really? He cannot change those laws? Then He's not the Allmighty.
@@alfredotello2184 It appears, you do not KNOW GOD or what and how this universe was created.
@@Hemidakotahow about you go ahead and explain it. Waiting.
Source of the talk please
Sounded pretty clear.
It sounded to me like he refused to take a stand on the matter.
@ “Stand”? He explained God’s position. That’s it.
@@1900intz What his position? or the "church's" position? We all know God's position, and it sounds like he was willing to compromise with the world...again.
@ Listen again. God’s will is clear.
@@1900intz I listened to it twice before making my comments. If they were interested in God's Will, don't you think that they would stop whitewashing their history?
It would be awesome if you would put the talk these are from.
Some of the Saints on Reddit need to watch this because they're all in on the Rainbow Mafia.
When I don't live this way, as a member of the church, I support and respect those that choose differently then I and support the laws that allow them their freedom.
I don’t respect their choice. Why should I? Do you respect one’s choice to commit adultery? How about thievery or murder?
@@Crusader-p8xApparently you do if you support Trump!
@@Crusader-p8x I respect their choice because they have a right to be happy. Just like somebody who finds peace at as a hindu, gay, or have their own thinking. They hurt no one maliciously.
I DONT respect someone's choice to kill or steal because that causes unlawful pain on the victim. EVERYONE has the right to be happy however they choose. If they love a same sex person, I support it. If God disagrees,he can piss off and think of his lesson before he creates humans again.
@@Crusader-p8x We are stewards of our own selves. Because of this, it is not our place to force others to live in a manner we would dictate as correct.
However, as you have pointed out, theft and murder, and even adultery when there is a spouse or other relationship involved, are aggressions against another individual. When we harm others, we violate their sacred stewardship by attempting to overthrow their choices.
In simple terms, it is not wrong to respect the agency of another, even when it means they are turning from God's light. That is their choice and so long as they are not committing crimes against another, that is to be respected, or rather, one needn't respect the decision, but we all ought to respect the individual.
In the case of a same-sex marriage, if both parties have agreed to this, while you do not have to agree with the decision, it is not causing harm to anyone but those who have willfully agreed to it. It doesn't make it a good decision, or even one you have to respect, but so long as one does not infringe against another, only God need judge them, as the act of committing sin is primarily done to God.
@@Crusader-p8x That is such an absurd comparison. All those are different phenomena.
Amen
Too many people these days are willing to speak for God, as if they understood His purposes.
Yeah, like this guy.
For what purpose did god make some people gay if marriage is only between a man and a woman?
Just do things that you feel is right without breaking the law of the land and let God judge us after we depart in this life as I have read your comments both of you guys have all right points so I think let us just do our own stuff then whatever God judgment after so be it❤ love you guys 😍 peace ✌️
Man and woman God made male and female
And intersex. Oh shoot....maybe it isn't so simple and a spectrum exists. OMG! How do I think in nuances as a Mormon?? My brain!!!!
Since God is polygamous according to Brigham Young, you should talk about God and His countless wives.
@@charlesmendeley9823Young was never married to a same sex it was always to women that is the difference.
@@jstinnett80ify du er nok inne på noe der....Ånden bekrefter ikke for meg at Nelson har rett her...kanskje kirken burde søke litt kunnskap og inspirasjon
@@jstinnett80ify There isn't any nuance in Mormonism. It has to be clear cut, black and white. It just makes things 'easier', and less confusing.
AMEN
Thanks for this comment it gives me hope for a dear family member who has embraced a homosexual lifestyle. I pray for her every day to turn back to living the gospel. I believe in the Prophet, President Nelson. What an amazing brilliant man of God! He is a blessing for our church and the world.
People embrace their sexual orientation. There isn't a 'lifestyle' of a particular sexual orientation.
What do you mean by, "I believe in the prophet"? The prophet is not Jesus. And didn't Jesus say to put out faith in him, not in the arm of the flesh? 2Nephi 4?
I thought they believed in marriage between a man and women... but then they cancelled it (at least in this life)... so not between a man and a woman, but between a man and women... seems the lds god forgot that definition. How easily people forget history.
You sure you're really good with history yourself? Can you part yourself from modern ages mentality and culture sets as well as from our today's world perception frameworks when talking about that? Do you suppose Abraham was not a man of God because he was authorized by God AT THAT TIME to have more than one woman in legitimate relationship in his household? Do you suppose a bit more recent people of God were any less people of God just for following the same? Or do you really think that more recent prophets of God who received the commandment of God to discontinue that pattern are any lesser people of that same God than previous ones were? It all comes from our Father. All you need is just better understand HIM
Abraham took a concubine due to Sarah pushing it, not God, as I recall. The arrow was already there, but somebody comes to paint a bullseye.
I’d strongly suggest you to look into the history of polygamy and these so called men of God.
Joseph Smith Jr has a “spiritual” marriage with a 14 year old, and you sit here to justify him? Do check the Gospel Topics Essays hidden in the church’s website.
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👍💪👊 God same forever.
Um, Mormons aren't Christians. They believe that God was a man and that all men can become gods. It's kind of like Christianity upside-down or in reverse?
There is No Hate Quite Like Christian Love..
No one said anything about hate. Sit down.
@@outbrakeu But it is, there are those who are homosexual, they are real, and you would have us live in an eternity of loneliness.
@@CatherineKarena No. And that's not what he said. And nowhere did he use the word hate.
@@outbrakeu he called those who were created gay, sinful. If a person is born gay , how can he or she change, no more than he or she can get taller, or get brown eyes. I’ve known little kids that are definitely in the wrong body, but I know they are innocent and according to the gospel will inherit the kingdom of Heaven.
@misabel801 no one is born in the wrong body. But you can keep telling yourself that.
Imagine caring who other people love, and using your religious beliefs to prevent people who may love differently than you from having the same rights as you.
@@janicebennee6180 lol!!!
@@janicebennee6180 they do have the same right as us.
@@janicebennee6180 no one is preventing anyone from doing anything. And no one is stopping anyone from loving who they love.
@@outbrakeu Oh, stop.
@@GavinAlexander. Truth hurt?
I hope all of us realized that yesterday the doors of hell were shuted down for a period.
Really? I think not, his mouth was moving.
Can marriage be between 2 men and 1 Women because I think I'm a need that because I have no chance in getting Married 😂😂😂
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Marry whoever you want. As many as you want. Don't let a pissy God dictate who to tie the knot with.
and to know who the real Jesus is, not the brother of satan, not a created being
but the one and only true God and our savior.
Oh do go to another forum. It’s so boring, predictable and banal.
They don't like the real Jesus, but sometimes I wonder if a few do.
@@Llamamagic2024 Sorry to here that you think that knowing
the real Jesus is all those things to you. John 1:1
@@ts-900 Please explain who is 'the real Jesus".
@@korvaamiko66 I did, I mention John 1:1, the real Jesus is the Word of God.
Maybe this verse will help too? This is the real Jesus...
1Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
There is a lot of misinformation and nonsense on this page. Nobody chooses to be gay or straight, it just is. You can "choose" not to embrace that lifestyle but your rights stop with yourself - no forcing your views onto others.
Thanks to your churches stand , I lost my family to your cult over 50 years ago. Because the church frowns in any discussion of these issues with anyone other than fellow members, I was told to never talk to them about my sexuality. So they could pray for me but they couldn't talk to me about it. Thank God I had faith that a higher power was on my side. They stayed loyal to the church, but missed out in knowing and taking any pride In the son who was a true Christian. A son who tried to love everyone. So I will gladly leave any judgement of my life to a higher power. And now I see your state is trying to push a message of "not in my backyard" when it comes to immigration. Maybe you judge not, less you be judged.
That wasn't a priesthood blessing, just a weak sauce prayer. Bummer
What a missed opportunity 😔
What is the scripture that says that God instituted "mariage"? Adam and Eve were never married according to Genesis. Mariage is ordained by MAN. God instituted LOVE, and obviously, this church is incapable of emulating Him. I am SO done with this church. I now belong to a Christian church that accepts ALL of God's children, no matter who they love. Telling gay people that they can love, but not "actively" do so is inhuman and cruel. EVERYBODY is worthy of love. Get your mind out of people's pants and get into people's heart.
Bless those who you influenced to take the jab
With all due respect, sir, get over it!
Russell Nelson wants to lay down "God's law" on marriage sweetly but firmly, yet the facts are not squarely on his side, and God’s reality runs much deeper than he is willing to admit. He is like a Newtonion physicist in the age of quantum physics, who wants to champion old laws of God's universe that clearly do not explain the whole picture. He has a binary view of gender and sexuality that ignores the way these things actually come about in the physical bodies we occupy. If God’s whole plan for humanity were heterosexuality to be expressed within mixed-gender marriage, what on earth was God thinking when he made homosexuality, bisexuality, hermaphroditism, gender dysphoria, etc? Why isn’t everyone’s gender invariably defined by an XY or YY arrangement of chromosomes? What about people born with 45,X (monosomy); 47,XXY; 47,XYY; 47,XXX; and so on?
To say that these chromosomal anomalies do not reflect the Creator’s intent is to say that God regularly makes mistakes in his beautiful plan of human sexuality. (Nelson, a medical man, should realize this.) It would be better to acknowledge that, like time and gravity at the edge of their measurability, these things point to a universe different from the old models that have been used to describe it. Of course, Nelson is saddled with the defense of the old understanding. It is only by ignoring new understanding that he can claim God’s law has never changed, when, in fact, new understanding changes everything relevant to sexuality and the institution meant to contain it.
In his prayer for the Saints to enjoy “greater capacity to receive revelation” on this subject, Nelson presumes that the Holy Spirit will ever only offer one answer for all of diverse humanity. There can be nothing new in that answer because it has to be the same old answer that does not begin to address the full breadth of God’s creation of human sexuality. If the Saints' revelations do not conform to Nelson's orthodoxy, he will "pull rank" and discredit them as Satanic deception just as his predecessors have done. Thus, any additional enlightenment would confuse the issue in his mind. Nelson wants the Saints to be guided not by facts but by feelings, and these feelings must lead to a foregone conclusion or else they are invalid. A circular approach like this might make sense to people whose sexual predisposition falls within the range of average, but it will never work for LGBT people whose very existence calls the traditional theology into question. They feel the injustice of it.
To saddle them with the old burden is to require them to put their faith in a creator who has a streak of perversity in his character - a creator who implanted in LGBT people brain differences from birth that are immutable yet destined to desire the very thing that is most destructive to them. Such a burden would be disfiguring to the faith as well as the psychological development of any individual, and I daresay heterosexuals would not be willing to bear it. The witness of the Holy Spirit affirms to my heart and mind that this fundamentally lopsided theology is unacceptable. GOD IS BETTER THAN THIS. That is what the "greater revelation" I sought makes crystal clear to me. President Nelson, with your prophetic mantle, your educated mind, and your charity for all of humanity, YOU CAN AND MUST DO BETTER THAN THIS.
Lol
He says "In the beginning, marriage was ordained by God". No, that is NOT the truth. The institution of marriage predates all of the Abrahamic religions and existed outside the realm of influence or knowledge of the Abrahamic religions. So there is absolutely no argument he can present to claim his religion and the god of his religion, is the one responsible for this social institution. Facts about human history contradict that. He then beseeches the "youth" to discern right and wrong. The simple fact is that there's no rational argument anyone can present to define same-sex attraction and/or marriage as being wrong. The deceptions are on his part and the part of his belief.
Hmm, too bad he didn't take a stand on the matter.
Says the guy with two wives that he fully expects to have to share him forever.
Also, what does he mean by, in the beginning? Has he not taken an anthropology class and learned how these concepts developed over time?
And what is his evidence for saying God said these things in the beginning? All I can find is the writings of Bronze Age thinkers from just a few thousand years ago, not anywhere close to the beginning.
It's always a man saying that God said. Never "God" "Himself". Men saying God said. Hearsay and legend. Reinforced by dogma and emotion.
And this is terrible ai.
Marriage between one man and one woman just like Joseph Smith didn’t do it 😂
Or many of the ancient prophets. Apply scrutiny equally you sad person.
@ yeah exactly, fantastic point! Also I’m not sad at all you mad person
@@sk8nchill52
Stop trying to look so stupid. You are nothing but a poor little cookie cutter, standard issue, bigot. Wake up for your bottle little baby.
@@FromAgonyToLightLMAO.... hahahahahaha hahahah.... OMG hahahahahahaha
good luck LDS. You're about to be presented with a blue pill and a red pill. Seriously, I wish you luck and good will.
You watch too many movies, try reading the scriptures instead of marvel comics!
That's like him saying we're obey the law regarding same sex marriage but we don't agree with it. Because if the lord had his way the LGBT community wouldn't exist. Which i think is unkind and wrong.
I agree. Either you believe in being subjected to the laws of the land or you don't. They don't. They need to change their Articles of Faith to "insofar as it isn't love".
God hasn’t changed his definition of marriage, yet according to you religion he has changed his definition of who (color wise) can hold the priesthood or how many wives your able to acquire? Cmon man!
It’s all make believe. The corporation just likes money more than they hate black skin
Guess God needs to be more progressive. Which, he will. 😂
The problem is this is just word salad. I wish you guys could see that this is all made up. Man basically just imposes their beliefs on to you, tell you how to think and believe. Now it’s ok to believe how you will as long it’s not harmful but I’m telling that you’re falling for mens ideas. That’s it. I do wish everyone the best, I’ve said my peace 🙂
Now, give me your money.
Legal/Civil marriage belongs to the government. Christ said that we should render unto Ceasar that which is his. Marriage falls into this since it is a civil government, using civil procedures to determine what civil rights and privileges to extend to its civil members. 1 Cor. 10:29 & D&C 134:4 also condemn those who let their religious beliefs prompt them to infringe upon the rights and liberties of others. it would be against the OFFICIAL doctrine of the Church (meaning the scriptures) to vote for or promote any law that infringes upon same-sex marriage.
And prostitution? Abortion? And on and on and on. You are preaching fallacy.
@@HamishYeti - We can fight abortion since we are protecting the rights of others rather than taking them away. Prostitution, like SSM, is a sin, but we have no right to outlaw it any more than we should outlaw shopping on Sunday or drinking iced tea. The official doctrine of the Church is the scriptures as stated by the prophets themselves. We are not allowed to use our religious beliefs to infringe upon the rights and liberties of others.
@Chris_in_Idaho That is a complete misunderstanding of the scripture, and is false doctrine.
@@HamishYeti SHOW me where I'm wrong. Don't TELL me...SHOW ME.
@Chris_in_Idaho
The following letter was sent from the First Presidency of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to Church leaders in California to be read to all congregations on 29 June 2008:
Preserving Traditional Marriage and Strengthening Families
In March 2000 California voters overwhelmingly approved a state law providing that “Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.” The California Supreme Court recently reversed this vote of the people. On November 4, 2 008, Californians will vote on a proposed amendment to the California state constitution that will now restore the March 2000 definition of marriage approved by the voters.
The Church’s teachings and position on this moral issue are unequivocal. Marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God, and the formation of families is central to the Creator’s plan for His children. Children are entitled to be born within this bond of marriage.
A broad-based coalition of churches and other organizations placed the proposed amendment on the ballot. The Church will participate with this coalition in seeking its passage. Local Church leaders will provide information about how you may become involved in this important cause.
We ask that you do all you can to support the proposed constitutional amendment by donating of your means and time to assure that marriage in California is legally defined as being between a man and a woman. Our best efforts are required to preserve the sacred institution of marriage."
Marriage is a function of the State. The religious domain is free to participate but please don't claim ownership. Respect the households of others and mind your own marriages please.
Fact check yoself😂
Why are you gay?
The practice of marriage is absolutly from religion, and pre dates any "state."
God and His laws have existed much longer than any country’s laws, and His laws will survive every man made country’s laws. While under imperfect man made institutions we can certainly strive to get along and respect alternative lifestyle choices, but that doesn’t mean we abandon God’s eternal standard in the long run.
Wrong.
Yikes, mixed messages?
You know this is AI right? Not real!
Neither are you youngster. Try to avoid commenting to prove you have never been educated.
More nonsense from an old grifter cult leader.
Says the sinner 😮
@@pauldeamer9581As are you.
@@pauldeamer9581 shouldn't you have said...sayeth the trespasser ,,, c'mon man get right with god! your cult leader claims to speak for god. the bible says no person can speak for god. But it's all a big fairy story anyways! Golden tablets? give me a freaking break
God never defined marriage. That's a civil concept. Nelson lies as usual
Amen! Exactly! Mariage is a human institution, governed by the state, not by God or the church. This religion is sick.