Nasaspaceflight, is it possible with flight 5 and six hardware current status and elons tweet the lady was going to have flight 6 full stack for photo op?
@NASASpaceflight: Jack, amazing how, in the windy out-of-doors, your audio is so clear... no wind noise! Also done a marvelous job of hiding your mic (probably the same reason we don't hear the wind). Really appreciated!
Current ships confirmed present at starbase: Ship 20: Rocket Garden Ship 22: HLS Mockup Ship 26: Rocket Garden Ship 30: OLM-A Ship 31: High Bay Ship 32: Rocket Garden Ship 33: Mega Bay 2 Ship 34: Mega Bay 2/Starfactory
Paiting the stringers black probably helps to easily identify wear and tear so they know where and how to make adjustments for future landings to reduce booster damage and turnaround time
You could also argue that they painted it black to make it easier for any cameras around the chopsticks to easily recognize the current orientation of the booster and track the location of the lifting/catch pins and reinforced stringers and thus move accordingly similar to how many motion capture markings involves black and white. Shiny steel likely has tricky visibility for the purposes of tracking because the surface would just reflect light all over the place, you wouldnt want a chopstick going blind because the sun is shining brightly on one side.
If Starhopper was a water tank, then the "skin" that they removed was likely reflecting solar radiation. Now that it's not a water tank anymore, it makes sense to return it to its original look.
I had heard the skin that they're removing was extra protection during starship launches, given its proximity to the tower. Now that its been moved further away, it doesn't need it and will likely be restored to original condition
I think that SpaceX should launch this stack with a repeat of the 4th launch. The biggest new information would be the heat tiles and related changes. The delay is because SpaceX wanted to run a different flight profile for flight 5. Have the change to flight 6. This would have a 45-60 day turn around. Putting a massive gold star on SpaceX over Blue Origin
Another possibility is that Elon may postpone the catch attempt for flight 6, and therefore run other tests to finalize their data, perhaps even testing the catch routine on Tower 1. Highly unlikely, but it has been mentioned that SpaceX is licensed to launch at this very moment, just not for catching. If they wanted one more flight to test the ship's new tile system, they are more than capable of doing so, as long as a catch attempt is not involved. Just a theory. It would waste a Mechazilla logo, but would provide additional feedback and fill some time.
@@knowledgeisgood9645 but the paint will leave more visible marks that will be seen on cameras easily. This way if everything goes wrong, then they at least have video to see what happened.
The tapered stringers on B12 might be be coated to see where the booster made contact at landing and "scratched" the paint. As far as I remember the pillow shaped buffers on the chopsticks are coated as well.
Or remember when TH-cam commenters were called crazy for suggesting SpaceX should simply put a steel plate under the OLM to avoid problems from cracking concrete during static fire testing.
14:52 I’m nowhere near qualified, but my first thought was that the paint may be in order to visually identify just how rough the chopsticks are on the booster. (Ie the paint gets scraped off)
15:55 true that a landing Booster won't have the hot stage ring (until Block 2, anyway). But, it will have tons of residual propellant, instead. So I don't buy the absence of a ~10-tonne HSR as being an effort to better approximate actual catch loads. If anything, having that extra weight onboard would make for a better approximation of the actual catch scenario.
@@bryanillenberg funny - people used to say that the Booster would have to be lowered onto the OLM, and connected to the BQD, _before_ its remaining propellants can be safely unloaded... Indeed, it was **THE** major argument against a catch-only tower! Aside from which, SpaceX already has lowered a Booster with HSR pre-mounted, onto the OLM before - namely, when stacking the IFT-4 hardware.
@@Spherical_Cow Don't get me wrong: I do think that lowering the booster onto the OLM, then detanking, is the much better solution. Boosters have been lifted onto the OLM with and without the HSR, but not from that height. (Also, it was not the only big argument against the stupidity that is the catch tower. Stand shielding is another one)
@@bryanillenberg you may be tickled to learn - or recall? - that "the stupidity that is the catch tower" is currently included in the latest published construction plans for Pad 39a...
I think after wet dress they do there final flight check outs and static fire b13 and litterally check out 2 full stacks as ready to go, I can only imagine when there’s 10 ready to go
Thank you for not clickbaiting, and posting thumbnails with every member of the team with crazy faces, or having a female member of the team with their ass cheeks hanging out their booty shorts like the other space channels have devolved into! I will now watch this video for the 3rd time, as I'm boycotting some of the other channels for that exact nonsense. I have daughters that are taking an interest in space, and I feel confident in allowing them to watch anything on this channel unsupervised...while, without naming names, that is not true for other channels covering current space related topics. You guys are the best!
Will rejoin membership for a video with you guys livestreaming helping out on the beach cleanup! I'd love to go down but I'm in the UK. I help on my beaches, but alas no starship stacks to see. Still some sick cranes and a decommissioned oil rig though
At 4:02 Jack was saying about ship 32 "It's in the rocket garden don't worry about it, it's dead"?! So that does Jack mean that S32 was another pathfinder vehicle which means that it wont fly?? Just curious. And at 8:20 I'm glad to see that Jack owned up to the fact that he is not a rocket scientist. Good job Jack! We need more showing that kind of honesty!!
You mentioned the lack of 'decals' on Booster 12, perhaps Space X could or should paint the legend "Ready When You Are" (in big letters) on it and just leave it 'stacked' ? ... 😎
Anyway, we can't do orbital missions until the zero-g engine burns are reliable. You can't have ships falling out of orbit randomly. So IFT-5 might try some zero-g burns.
I had a thought today. Starship configured to hold 16 people to fly in a LEO for a one week trip. With Elon saying launch cost could be $3-5 million per launch how would that impact space tourist 😊😊. You could also have small 3 month missions for companies.🎉
Black paint is probably for some cameras to have easy identification of key locations. The arm closure may be automated and camera controlled. Elon happens to know a company with some pretty good camera recognition stuff....
14:57 SpaceX removed the hot stage ring because the booster will be caught without it. They needed to test if the chopsticks could hold the booster’s weight without the hot stage ring after launch
Let’s get on with testing: Option one: tower catch test - Elon needs to pick up the phone and call Secretary Pete Buttigieg and request expedited approval for the catch test launch. Option two: Why not change the test plan? Rather than focus on catching the booster, focus on Starship engine restart and reentry. Refly test 4 for booster and expanded testing for Starship under existing license.
Maybe removing the skin on Star Hopper is a safety reasons. You don't want to have sheet falling on someone, after eating lot of concrete some sheet can be not attached very well on Hoppy.
I'm surprised the ship qd arm is as hefty as it is. It seems to be in the same class of structure as the chopstick arms despite having only to bear its own weight unlike the chopsticks which must bear the weight of the entire booster. This is especially puzzling as the ship qd arm seems to need extensive repair on each launch presumably because it is insufficiently quick to move out of the way probably because it is too heavy. I would have thought that the new ship qd arm would be much slenderer and more delicate.
Would guess they have done some testing on updated tank farm now that almost all of the vertical tanks have been removed and all the plumbing has been updated.
I think it might be lucrative to start a poll on which booster will be the first to be reused. How many ships are they going to build in relation to boosters?
Thanks for the updates Jack,imho SpaceX probably delaying flight 5 till tower 2 is much further advanced in case of ahem unplanned surprises with tower 1
They may also replicate flight 4 under the granted licence. Still a lot of data to be gathered. And a good excuse to refine the booster landing approach and not to risk the tower.
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the black stringers on the booster will allow spaceX to know where the booster has touched the chopsticks as the black paint will leave a mark on the chopsticks bumpers
@@HarryKaemerle Having a good relation to the FAA is an asset. Squandering it is not advisable. SpaceX will need many more licenses in the years ahead. Asking congress to give the FAA the additional resources it needs is more helpful.
I plan to make it to the next launch but i don't know where to watch from, do i watch from the hotel room at margarita vill or should i walk down the beach? please let me know.
S32 has been abandoned in the Rocket Garden. It still has no flaps, among other things. Meanwhile, the Block 2 S33 is already ahead of S32 in terms of build completion. It would be quicker to fly S33 than complete and fly S32, at this point. So, why would SpaceX want to bother finishing and flying an obsolete design, when it already has the next-generation design ready to go?
I doubt that we will be waiting the full two months before flight 5 is launched. The FAA will probably wait a few more weeks to save face and then announce that the period of comment is now complete and closed with the approved launch license issued within a few days later.
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Nasaspaceflight, is it possible with flight 5 and six hardware current status and elons tweet the lady was going to have flight 6 full stack for photo op?
@NASASpaceflight: Jack, amazing how, in the windy out-of-doors, your audio is so clear... no wind noise! Also done a marvelous job of hiding your mic (probably the same reason we don't hear the wind). Really appreciated!
Current ships confirmed present at starbase:
Ship 20: Rocket Garden
Ship 22: HLS Mockup
Ship 26: Rocket Garden
Ship 30: OLM-A
Ship 31: High Bay
Ship 32: Rocket Garden
Ship 33: Mega Bay 2
Ship 34: Mega Bay 2/Starfactory
Thanks!
After flight 5 finally happens, they might modify or scrap some existing ships, based on what they learned during the test flight.
@@cube2fox we already know Ship 26 and 32 are scrap, Ship 20 hasn't been scrapped for whatever reason, 22 is the HLS mockup.
That day isn't far when we would see Ship X: OLM B
Paiting the stringers black probably helps to easily identify wear and tear so they know where and how to make adjustments for future landings to reduce booster damage and turnaround time
Was thinking that exact same thing myself.
You could also argue that they painted it black to make it easier for any cameras around the chopsticks to easily recognize the current orientation of the booster and track the location of the lifting/catch pins and reinforced stringers and thus move accordingly similar to how many motion capture markings involves black and white.
Shiny steel likely has tricky visibility for the purposes of tracking because the surface would just reflect light all over the place, you wouldnt want a chopstick going blind because the sun is shining brightly on one side.
My money is on the black paint actually being Teflon... It has been used in aeroplanes before when things have to glide over eachother...
@@afinger2341 That's what I was thinking.
@@afinger2341 That would explain why it's black rather than some other color.
honestly this was a brutal wait since yesterday. I dunno why i'm so invested in these weekly updates. Thanks for posting!
You and me both! --kmr
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@@NASASpaceflight is it moving to Tuesdays now? I'm in withdrawal again
Great to see Jack back in the StarBase update.
Always love the slo mo! Great video NSF
Big love Jack love you work and to all NSF crew.
Black paint is probably for contrast in videos for review and/or vision-based automated control of chopsticks.
Omg there is a coyote over there 😂
If Starhopper was a water tank, then the "skin" that they removed was likely reflecting solar radiation. Now that it's not a water tank anymore, it makes sense to return it to its original look.
It needs an EYE (and I mean a real one with a live feed)
Its skin was part of its original look. I dont get it
I had heard the skin that they're removing was extra protection during starship launches, given its proximity to the tower. Now that its been moved further away, it doesn't need it and will likely be restored to original condition
@@blackdog6969 that’s false
This new 2 towers view is awesome! 😊 💪
"Am not snack" should be on the next line of shirts. It cracked me up!
Lots of great information, thanks Jack and the NSF team.
Great video, NSF...👍
Thank you Jack! Thank you NSF!
I think that SpaceX should launch this stack with a repeat of the 4th launch. The biggest new information would be the heat tiles and related changes. The delay is because SpaceX wanted to run a different flight profile for flight 5. Have the change to flight 6. This would have a 45-60 day turn around. Putting a massive gold star on SpaceX over Blue Origin
Great job Jack! Thank you NSF!
Another possibility is that Elon may postpone the catch attempt for flight 6, and therefore run other tests to finalize their data, perhaps even testing the catch routine on Tower 1. Highly unlikely, but it has been mentioned that SpaceX is licensed to launch at this very moment, just not for catching. If they wanted one more flight to test the ship's new tile system, they are more than capable of doing so, as long as a catch attempt is not involved. Just a theory. It would waste a Mechazilla logo, but would provide additional feedback and fill some time.
Jack is brilliant! Thank you!
Are those tapered stringers painted back so that if it's successful, they can see scrape marks to see how close they were to a perfect catch?
That could be one reason. But even without paint there will be visible scratches.
@@knowledgeisgood9645 but the paint will leave more visible marks that will be seen on cameras easily. This way if everything goes wrong, then they at least have video to see what happened.
For scrape marks a medium brightness color like grey might be better.
Thank You very much dear NSF, lest go SpaceX, fly fly Starship
I hope it will still be stacked in 2 weeks when I will be there for my 1st Visit!
The tapered stringers on B12 might be be coated to see where the booster made contact at landing and "scratched" the paint. As far as I remember the pillow shaped buffers on the chopsticks are coated as well.
Remember when they were called crazy for building a rocket in stainless steel.
Or remember when TH-cam commenters were called crazy for suggesting SpaceX should simply put a steel plate under the OLM to avoid problems from cracking concrete during static fire testing.
Or when it was water tank builders building rocket ships... I thought who were these crazy people. Since then, a LOT of respect.
Dang it...i Sooo wanted ta see the Coyote 🦊
14:52 I’m nowhere near qualified, but my first thought was that the paint may be in order to visually identify just how rough the chopsticks are on the booster. (Ie the paint gets scraped off)
15:55 true that a landing Booster won't have the hot stage ring (until Block 2, anyway). But, it will have tons of residual propellant, instead. So I don't buy the absence of a ~10-tonne HSR as being an effort to better approximate actual catch loads. If anything, having that extra weight onboard would make for a better approximation of the actual catch scenario.
For lowering it onto the OLM, most of the propellant will have been vented
@@bryanillenberg funny - people used to say that the Booster would have to be lowered onto the OLM, and connected to the BQD, _before_ its remaining propellants can be safely unloaded... Indeed, it was **THE** major argument against a catch-only tower!
Aside from which, SpaceX already has lowered a Booster with HSR pre-mounted, onto the OLM before - namely, when stacking the IFT-4 hardware.
@@Spherical_Cow Don't get me wrong: I do think that lowering the booster onto the OLM, then detanking, is the much better solution.
Boosters have been lifted onto the OLM with and without the HSR, but not from that height.
(Also, it was not the only big argument against the stupidity that is the catch tower. Stand shielding is another one)
@@bryanillenberg you may be tickled to learn - or recall? - that "the stupidity that is the catch tower" is currently included in the latest published construction plans for Pad 39a...
@@Spherical_Cow And a Suborbital Pad C was included in the Published construction plans for Starbase.
Spoiler: it never happened.
No wonder they need more launch towers! The Mars fleet is gonna be ready by the time flight 5 happens!
6:32 Thats just insane how much they have simplified the Raptors!! Wow!
I believe the "black paint" on the booster's tapered parts is actually a Teflon-like coating.
I met jack last week randomly at starbase. He was sitting in the beat up range rover. I stopped and said NSF? And he said yes.
I think after wet dress they do there final flight check outs and static fire b13 and litterally check out 2 full stacks as ready to go, I can only imagine when there’s 10 ready to go
Thank you for not clickbaiting, and posting thumbnails with every member of the team with crazy faces, or having a female member of the team with their ass cheeks hanging out their booty shorts like the other space channels have devolved into!
I will now watch this video for the 3rd time, as I'm boycotting some of the other channels for that exact nonsense.
I have daughters that are taking an interest in space, and I feel confident in allowing them to watch anything on this channel unsupervised...while, without naming names, that is not true for other channels covering current space related topics.
You guys are the best!
Thank you, and we strive to make all the content family friendly. - Das
Will rejoin membership for a video with you guys livestreaming helping out on the beach cleanup!
I'd love to go down but I'm in the UK. I help on my beaches, but alas no starship stacks to see. Still some sick cranes and a decommissioned oil rig though
At 4:02 Jack was saying about ship 32 "It's in the rocket garden don't worry about it, it's dead"?! So that does Jack mean that S32 was another pathfinder vehicle which means that it wont fly?? Just curious.
And at 8:20 I'm glad to see that Jack owned up to the fact that he is not a rocket scientist. Good job Jack! We need more showing that kind of honesty!!
😂😂😂OMG theres a coyote over there!😂😂😂
Thank you for keeping that in from all the rest of us Attention Deficit Ooh Shiny people!
They were just tryna get a view of the full stack too
You mentioned the lack of 'decals' on Booster 12, perhaps Space X could or should paint the legend "Ready When You Are" (in big letters) on it and just leave it 'stacked' ? ... 😎
Frosty and talked, brilliant.
Does the coyote have any boxes marked ACME?
LOL
The hot stage ring was removed to simulate the weight of a landed booster for that high lift test...
Jack and NSF, y'all rock! Peace
DOUBLE LAUNCH of 5 and 6 ??? Prove Starships can connect together?
I don't think OLM B would be finished by then. A ship-to-ship propellant transfer demo before year end would be great though.
A ship-to-ship mission can be done from the same OLM. The second launch has to be synchronized with the first ship in orbit.
However, we first need to confirm that engines can start and restart in zero-g, creating a circular orbit burn and deorbit burn.
Anyway, we can't do orbital missions until the zero-g engine burns are reliable. You can't have ships falling out of orbit randomly.
So IFT-5 might try some zero-g burns.
With the cap on it, test tank 16 looks like R2D2 to me 😆
The painted tapered stringers will also leave physical evidence of booster movement between the arms.
I bet they have both vehicles ready for flight including testing and wet dress before FAA approval. They may even have second tower done too!
I had a thought today. Starship configured to hold 16 people to fly in a LEO for a one week trip. With Elon saying launch cost could be $3-5 million per launch how would that impact space tourist 😊😊. You could also have small 3 month missions for companies.🎉
Black paint is probably for some cameras to have easy identification of key locations. The arm closure may be automated and camera controlled. Elon happens to know a company with some pretty good camera recognition stuff....
Rain doesn't affect Jack at all 🙂
Mornin Jack
14:57 SpaceX removed the hot stage ring because the booster will be caught without it. They needed to test if the chopsticks could hold the booster’s weight without the hot stage ring after launch
OMG! There’s a coyote over there! 😂🤣😂
Awesome
Should do a Booster hop (there and back).
Thank you . ✌️
Let’s get on with testing:
Option one: tower catch test - Elon needs to pick up the phone and call Secretary Pete Buttigieg and request expedited approval for the catch test launch.
Option two: Why not change the test plan? Rather than focus on catching the booster, focus on Starship engine restart and reentry. Refly test 4 for booster and expanded testing for Starship under existing license.
Loved the video and jack but I think the stringers on the forward dome have always been tapered just a small thing I noticed
I always liked the idea of putting a picnic table under Hoppy so people could take a break under him.
Hoppy is what I use Jack....😉
Another great video full of Info…
Are you being sarcastic??
@@Thefrogman081no
@@Wurtoz9643 ok cool just sounded sarcastic
Definitely not sarcastic. These videos show what you may have missed.
@@rchorseman ok sorry just it looked sarcastic with the … at the end which gives it a sarcastic tone
I think the black paint is actually a Teflon Coating to help those stringers glide past the chopsticks!
Maybe removing the skin on Star Hopper is a safety reasons. You don't want to have sheet falling on someone, after eating lot of concrete some sheet can be not attached very well on Hoppy.
Where does Jack's "be excellent to each other" come from? And the head nod along with it?
I'm surprised the ship qd arm is as hefty as it is. It seems to be in the same class of structure as the chopstick arms despite having only to bear its own weight unlike the chopsticks which must bear the weight of the entire booster. This is especially puzzling as the ship qd arm seems to need extensive repair on each launch presumably because it is insufficiently quick to move out of the way probably because it is too heavy. I would have thought that the new ship qd arm would be much slenderer and more delicate.
A LOT OF SHIPPING GOING ON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Would guess they have done some testing on updated tank farm now that almost all of the vertical tanks have been removed and all the plumbing has been updated.
I think it might be lucrative to start a poll on which booster will be the first to be reused. How many ships are they going to build in relation to boosters?
Jack will be talking between two towers (👑💍) with two full stacks before you can say 'F-----A------A'
A Treat!
Hah! Jack nails one of my pet peeves. "Large Language Models" are *not* "Artificial Intelligence". :)
Thanks for the updates Jack,imho SpaceX probably delaying flight 5 till tower 2 is much further advanced in case of ahem unplanned surprises with tower 1
Tower 2 will not be operational before next summer.
They are explicitly saying the flight 5 delay is due to waiting for the government agencies to approve it.
The turn around time between flight 3 and 4 was so quick. Now regulatory hurdles are stopping flight 5
They may also replicate flight 4 under the granted licence. Still a lot of data to be gathered. And a good excuse to refine the booster landing approach and not to risk the tower.
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Hopper! You Kilt man!
"I am not a rocket scientist!" lol, hilarious :)
maybe there is a world where flight 5 is in 1-2 weeks
It is not our world anyway.
They need to install EITHER an R2D2 eye on Hoppy, or a HAL9000 eye. Which do you prefer?
Ship 34 is the new slightly stretched version, right? It might be the first that *can* deploy a payload
Is Jack channeling Captain Kirk? 👀
@NASASpaceflight if I can find a place to rent for the winter do you need another volunteer to assist with Starbase production footage?
There is a big chance that F5 may fly early under the existing FAA licence, but no catch 😮
But does the SpaceX need that launch? 🤔 Another FT4...
How was coyote doing?
To be fair, Hoppy's skin was beat to hell. Looked like the skin of a golf ball!
I thought it looked cool!
@@JackABeyer It did add a bit of character
I think they were doing GPS calibration on the booster
It would be great if SpaceX figured a way to arm the FTS without having to de-stack the ship
Stringers are Teflon coated 🤔
Hostage ring getting a spray too?
the black stringers on the booster will allow spaceX to know where the booster has touched the chopsticks as the black paint will leave a mark on the chopsticks bumpers
“Omg there’s a coyote over there” 😂
Well Spacex can try and strong arm the regulators. It might work. I doubt it tho.
Welp, considering how well it totally failed in the past, there's every reason not to expect success this time.
@@Spherical_Cow still worth a shot nonetheless
@@HarryKaemerle Having a good relation to the FAA is an asset. Squandering it is not advisable. SpaceX will need many more licenses in the years ahead.
Asking congress to give the FAA the additional resources it needs is more helpful.
I plan to make it to the next launch but i don't know where to watch from, do i watch from the hotel room at margarita vill or should i walk down the beach? please let me know.
What's up with S32 to make it 'dead'? I guess I've missed that info along the way.. 🤔
And Hoppy is the way.. 😏
S32 has been abandoned in the Rocket Garden. It still has no flaps, among other things. Meanwhile, the Block 2 S33 is already ahead of S32 in terms of build completion. It would be quicker to fly S33 than complete and fly S32, at this point. So, why would SpaceX want to bother finishing and flying an obsolete design, when it already has the next-generation design ready to go?
S32 was confirmed dead months ago, it's not getting any work done and SpaceX is moving onto version 2 after Ship 31
Sort of a weird way to go .. stack it, test it, install that automatic suicide kit, do some other wait what suicide what what? Suicide kit?
Can thex use the crane to do some catch testing?
Jack, What’s that pattern around your neck? Is it something from the store.
SBU SBU SBU!!!!!
Wen Flight 5 patch?
The patches are being chased by Das. The delivery had a problem. I hope it will be resolved soon.
2nd time I can’t watch it with AirPlay; it results each time in an error.
I doubt that we will be waiting the full two months before flight 5 is launched. The FAA will probably wait a few more weeks to save face and then announce that the period of comment is now complete and closed with the approved launch license issued within a few days later.
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