Great video… however I think they already addressed the Laenor plot point in episode 3. When Rhaenera mentions how restless his dragon is, and Mysaria responds “may be he (the dragon) is lonely” that seemed to hint the dragon was mourning. My guess is it sensed Laenor had died, where ever he was.
Also the look on Rhea’s face (unnerved or maybe surprised). To me it felt like Mysaria’s words/observation made her snap into consider about Laenor’s wellbeing. Almost like a “oh shit, I hope Laenor is ok.” moment. I feel like they’re setting it up to write him off as dead.
Am I the only one that wants to see Laenor Velaryon come back 🤷🏼♀️. I know what happens in the books but come backs are so loved appreciated on TV 🤷🏼♀️😆
@@monicad99 oh yeah, they are setting him up for loss, bitterness, and retribution. But it is much more interesting to have a character who feel no loyalty to his lords because the system destroyed his family than like the books, where he was just a turncloak
This post is from 2 weeks ago. That's the episode where he knocked some guy out and stole his food, because he was too lazy to go down to the beach and pick up his own stuff 🤷♂️
Addam watching Sea Smoke flying overhead with such wonder was telling. He was curious and for sure wanted to know where that beautiful dragon was going. I suspect we will find out soon that Addam indeed follows and then claims.
I like the show’s choice to make foils of Ulf and Hugh. Ulf is a lazy, honour-less, craven, hedonist only looking out for himself. Hugh is a hardworking family man. He feels honour bound to contribute to the war effort for his king, while trying provide for and protect his beloved wife and daughter. Two very different motivations for pursuing their dragon seed claims. Also two different POV within the Kingslanding small folk. There not much point to including both characters if they serve the same POV with the same motivations. It also makes for a more tragic arcs for Hugh if they follow the book path. If you’re looking for a potential classical chivalrous king of medieval lore, a hardworking family man of honour is a prime candidate; like a low born Ned Stark. George loves to take these classical tropes and turn them on their head. I could see Hugh becoming a honourable man corrupted by power, or perhaps his vengeance for his lost family drives him down a dark path.
or maybe he finds that only fighting for himself will do his family good, that none of these highborn families have any loyalty to him, even he was willing to give his to them.
Theory: Nettles is Hugh daughter. Description fits and she is dragon seed through her dad. She seems sick right now but claiming a dragon she is brought back to full health (jaehaerys calling for an egg for sick daenerys link). Something happens maybe during the riots in kingslanding to Hugh’s wife and he flees from kings landing with daughter to dragonstone. A wide reach but I know everyone is desperate for nettles 😂
@@DavidLightbringer she did look young, younger than Jace but she looked a little older or same age as Luke maybe. It could be next season she would claim the dragon giving her time to age a little. Haha definitely a wiiiiiiiiiide reach only a thought really 🤔 only a justification for him even having a daughter where as in the books there was no mention of him having a family. But I think you are right in saying the reason they showed him having a family is to give us more perspective on the small folk. I unfortunately think it is much more likely that something bad will happen to them 🥲
Ugh. It would be Daemon grooming again…. Otherwise I’m totally onboard with this theory. My personal theory is his daughter will die in the KL riots serving as the catalyst to his betrayal.
@@DavidLightbringer Glad someone else caught that. Che "El Chacal" Guevara and The Beard "disappeared" a lot of "smallfolk" including family and friends.
I re-read fire and blood recently and it seems like Nettles doesn't actually start doing things until after I expect season 2 to wrap up. I think there's a good chance that she will be in the show but they're not introducing her yet, so as not to overwhelm viewers who aren't lore nerds.
I mean the books didn't have Baela going after Cole or Rhaenys storming through the dragon pit so the show could've easily introduced us to Nettles already if she exists that is
@MrFredstt the battle she features in is considerably larger cgi budget. they want to also manage our short attention span and our emotions so for this season shes not needed
the showrunner was also cryptic when asked about Nettles after the season ended, which makes me think they are just saving her for s3 and are having fun watching fans speculate will she appear or not
man, your content really is so wonderful! I read fire and blood several years ago, so things are a little hazy in my memory, but you're bringing it all right back!!! also i have sent your daemon's dragon song video to anyone who will listen lmao i think it's one of the coolest asoiaf theories ive ever heard!! thanks for keepin the good stuff comin :)
Got my GF to binge all of GoT and HotD she was hooked. Got her the books and had to get Fire and Blood after that. Shared this with her and you got yourself a new subscriber for life! Thanks for all the great videos!
Mushroom said Addamm & Alyn were Corlys’ and he lied about them being Leanor’s 😅 The writters have gone with some of Mushroom’s theories thus far and judging by the cast (age) we can be sure they’re Corlys’s, afterall.
What do you think of the Theory that Otto might take over the role of Hobart Hightower in the show and be part of the Caltrops and take Ulf out? It would fit with him going to Daeron and Oldtown right now, and give the viewers a character they know in the Reach storyline. I think it could be a good change.
It's an interesting idea but I just don't see Otto willingly drinking the poisoned wine and sacrificing himself. He's the kind of person that sacrifices others.
@@three-eyed_magpieI could see Otto drinking poisoned wine to take Ulf out. After everything he sacrificed to it Aegon on the throne, he will do anything.
David. Thank you so much for pointing out that Baelon was madly in love with Alyssa and likely is not Ulf's father. (I say likely because we obviously never know) I was annoyed to see people talking Ulf at his word when people lie about absent parents all the time.
yeah I mean if I was writing that character, I would never have him say anything that was totally true. This is a guy who bends everything to make it a little better
Do I believe Ulf’s lying? Yes. But at the same time, men who love their wives cheat all the time. Especially in a society where there’s nothing wrong with men sleeping with women not their wives (at long as it’s not another man’s wife). Corlys clearly loves Rhaenys a great deal, that didn’t stop him from fathering two bastards (on the same woman I might mention) while away from her.
I'm always in favor of more perspectives from the small folk, and this story has so many nasty people why not make something a little different? or maybe he'll have some crazy villain origin story when his family dies
There's a line in The Death Of Stalin: 'Nothing more dangerous than a weak man.' His desire for an easy life is alright, even loveable, when he's in a tavern trying to get a drink, but when you give that attitude a dragon...
I love the thought of Hugh being team smallfolk. Maybe he never really goes mad but the writers make him the villain bc they didn't want team smallfolk to get any crazy ideas in the future? Who knows, but we do know historians control how we remember history.
Upper class historians writing the history is an incredibly underrated facet of the human narrative that in my experience only marxist historians like Parenti even try to address
I think when seasmoke gets claimed is when rhaenyra realizes that leanor has passed away. We really dont need any more than that to assume he has died. At least he got a few years to be free over in essos!
0:50 which is why i'm excited to see how they're adapted for television. One of the strengths both GOT and HOTD have are shooting scenes that feel like POV chapters. Perfect for a large ensemble cast, especially with multiple dragonseeds now in the mix! 4:56 the way Ulf immediately pivots to "hail to the king!" mode after his storytelling had me rolling. Also very effecient character building
I love what you offer. Everytime you find the hidden angle. You also have such a sharp mind and great humor, adds so much. I love watching your videos❤
After Leanor surviving season one I thought he was going come back at some point with a bastard son claiming both were Corlys bastards to keep the story of his fake death.
I think we will see a situation similar to Ned with Hugh's story, where they basically say he was trying to usurp the throne. It should be interesting to see his character develop!
As far as seasmokes dragon bond being broken while his rider is “still alive” puzzles me….. when rheyneara hears the mistress of whispers say “maybe he’s lonely” … that was a clear indication to me of the show addressing that leynor died. The look on rheynearas face was one of loss and immediate acceptance that her ex husband was now dead.
It'd be pretty neat if Laenor and Qarl's end comes at the hands of a flamboyant purple pirate, making for that to be their introduction. It was the 2 of them who brought it up in Season 1.
9:35 Didn't Otto say that Hobart Hightower was his nephew last episode? I think his older brother has died, in the show at least, and his nephew rules in Oldotwn. Though if they named the nephew Hobart in the show, it seems like maybe they're combining him with Ormund, who gets killed in the book leading to Hobart taking over? 13:00 I kinda love Hugh as being on Team Smallfolk too. And that's not even super incongruous with his book depiction, because if he was truly advocating for peasant revolt, the Citadel would have every reason to malign him in their sources since he challenges the status quo. That's why it's totally reasonable for Alicent and Rhaenyra to be much more sympathetic than the book depicts them to be, since neither Maesters nor Septons are known for having particularly high opinions of women as a group.
I just opened up TH-cam for the first time today and, imagine my utter joy when my notifications said ‘David Lightbringer has released a new video!’ Woohoo!I haven’t even begun watching the video yet, but I had to leave a comment because I am SO excited to hear your take on the Dragonseeds on HOTD! Let’s goooooooooo!
I feel like they've addressed the Laenor thing as much as they're going to address it - Rhaenyra said Seasmoke had been restless recently and then she stops and looks said - I took that to mean she must have realized Seasmoke was restless because he felt that Laenor had died. It was incredibly subtle but for those paying attention, it seemed like enough. Though, knowing the writers, they may beat us over the head with it later on in whatever episode Addam claims him (I'm guessing that's what the beach scene is and Nyra will monologue or something).
Nettles will be there. They showed her breifly in one of the bar scenes. The camera was behind her as she walked in. It looked like thecsame girl from season 1 who worked for Miseria.
I can see them having Alys Rivers coming up with the Hammer prophecy, she tells Daemon and then Daemon tells Rhaenyra/the dragon seeds after meeting up with them at Kingslanding.
They already kind of explained what happened to Laenor. On episode 3, Seasmoke is restless like he never was before according to Rhaenyra. To me this is pretty clear "oh, Laenor died offscreen".
@@last7509 You mean they should've killed him onscreen? Not sure, I actually like what they did considering how far they went to stablish that Rhaenyra is a "good" people. If they made her as ambitious as the rest of the lot, like in the book, then maybe. But THIS Rhaenyra they've stablished woudn't do it.
Laenor must have really disliked the life of royalty, because I don’t think I could give up a bond with such a beautiful beast to live a life of anonymity
Without naming names. It's crazy that they're introduced so chill and as, practically, upstanding guys. But then turn into such monsters almost instantly after getting their dragons.
I like the idea of Dragon Dreams coming from the dragons themselves. Both Bran & Jon had very symbolic visions (wolf dreams) & it would make sense that a dragon communicating telepathically would be similar since animals don't have language the way humans do. Dream Logic is symbolic not literal. Niiiice. 👍
OMG Ertac Altinoz's art of Jon Roxton slipping in Hugh Hammer's entrails is more fun than a fireworks display! I'm feelin' the same gory glory as I did watching Evil Dead II.
Great video but just a quick note about pronunciation because I saw that you're putting in corrections. "Celtigar" has a hard C sound like "crimson", "caterpillar" and "cat" not a soft C sound like "city" and "cent". For reference, the Celtigars of Claw Isle are referred to by name in House of the Dragon Season 1 episode 10 at approximately the 21 minute mark by Maester Gerardys.
A lot of the bad deeds accounted to Hugh will probably be done by Ulf who lies about his name in some manner to get Hugh to catch the blame (or something like that)
The Dragonseed stuff's really interesting (obviously) but I'd love to hear your theories about the Tavern Wench (Dana? Diana?) who flinches and takes a deep breath when Ulf slaps her backside - she's the serving girl that Aegon uh...treated in a way which caused Alicent to give her a bag of coin and send her away. This raises a number of questions to me - 1. What happened to the coin? The bag, even if it's silver not gold, looked like enough for her to live off for a very long time as a peasant, if not buy the tavern outright (and she doesn't seem like the owner). The easy answer is she was robbed, but there are a lot of more interesting answers. 2. Why is she working in a Tavern Aegon seems to frequent? It seems like, even if she needed a job for whatever reason, she'd look elsewhere the first time her attacker came in given that she (entirely understandably) doesn't seem to have 'gotten over it' judging by her controlled trauma reaction to being touched from behind. 3. Why did she serve him? Again, even if she's the tavern owner, or stuck working there, surely someone else would've been willing to give the King his drinks? Talking about it with my friend, we came up with two main possibilities - that, despite how it appears, she's the owner/bought it for her family and has just had to learn to tolerate the King coming in because it's not like she can ban him. Or that she was recruited by Alicent's handmaid into the White Worm's network, and now works in the Tavern the nobles like to slum it in as an asset who will recognise important people from the palace and know how to act in a way that sets them at ease and doesn't draw attention.
Oh, where did the video with the breakdown of the battle of rooks rest dissapeared to? I was so looking forward to watching that one🥺 did it get removed?
@@DavidLightbringer Aghh :( From the glimpses i've seen while at work it looked so awesome! And the work that you must have put in! I hope you could still consider doing the battle breakdowns, it has so much potential! Cheers and thank you for all the amazing content.
Thank you 😊 You laugh when talking about the many human characters dying during the dance. Yet when talking about the younger dragon trying to get his grandpa dragon to get up …THEN you express sadness (of sorts) 🤣🤣🤣 How we all love the dragons ❣️🤭🤭 ♥️♥️🇨🇦
Tom Bennett was hilarious as “The Nonce” on Ricky Gervais’ Netflix dramedy After Life. He’s only in a handful of scenes so his part is more of a glorified cameo, but hilarious nonetheless. To see him in this role is awesome, going to be interesting to see how the Dragonseeds’ storylines play out in this show
NGL Bro, I actively disliked this new tune you gave us (maybe immaturely because I fw the other two so hard) but it's DEFINITELY growing on me. I've had to restart this vid a few times (ADHD distractions) and the last time, I found myself bobbing along vigorously to the intro music. Ya got me with ya bright wizardry!
I'm excited to see how the writers will make Hugh to be a very different character compare to what we see in the book. It might touch the issue of People's power vs the corrupt power of the monarchy
Honestly Laenor dying offscreen was my assumption from the moment he was revealed to have survived. He was already set up as having an insatiable lust for battle, it would if anything be weird if he _didnt_ go join some sellsword company in Essos and die in battle
Corlys most likely fathered Hull boys during his marriage - if it was before, there would be no need to hide them. Also, actors are younger than Laenor currently is (though, of this show love to cast younger actors to play people much older - look at Aemond, Aegon, Helaena, Alicent and Mysaria).
Great video. Thank you. I have a question. How could Lord Corlys be the father of Addam & Allyn of Hull when he does not have the Dragon gene to pass on to his children? Laenor has it through his mother. These two must be Laenor's kids. Anyway, food for thought :-)
I think the show is going to switch Hugh and Ulf's stories. "We should be lords" is something show Hugh would say. "We should be kings" that's something show Ulf would say
In episode 3 of House of the Dragon, Rhaenyra said that Seasmoke had become restless lately and she didn't know why. Maybe Laenor has died over in Essos.
I just don’t understand why the writers would go out of the way to change up from the book and NOT kill off Laenor, only to kill him offscreen. What would be the point of that?
@@Covers-and-Commentary HOTD is ONLY fully canon to GOT. There are somethings that can be carried over due to not conflicting with stuff like the Song of Ice and Fire Prophecy from Aegon. BUT there are many things from the show that completely don't match up with book canon. Fire and Blood isn't supposed to be "untrue" Fire and Blood when it comes to the Dance of Dragons is a "choose your own adventure" book. Fire and Blood gives you 2 to 3 versions of what could have happened and it lets the reader choose. In theory you could have one reader who interprets Fire and Blood with Daemon being a faithful and mostly honorable member of House Targaryen and another reader who interprets Fire and Blood with Daemon being completely and fully evil.
I don't like the idea that Corlys cheated on Rhaenys. They were Madly in love. Only competent couple on the show. Only adults in the room. While I don't like the idea that House Velaryon is now a dragonriding house because it means other Velaryons should've gone missing trying to claim Vhagar among other things. I at least prefer the idea that before Corlys and Rhaenys were married that Corlys had them. In all truthfulness I think that Addam is Laenor's son, as Laenor hints he's been with women before to Rhaenyra and that's how he knows he's gay. But the actors are on the older side for them to be going that way.
They both have same mother, the writers can’t make us believe that she gave birth to sons from Father and Son. Secondly, the actors they cast are too old to be from Leanor’s. Lastly but most importantly for you, it’s best to believe he had them before he married Rhaenys.
when I read the books I thought maybe they were Laenor trying to "go straight" and then in season 1 that seemed hinted at, but they are way too old. They gotta be Corlys's
Of course he cheated man. what’s wrong with males in this generation? Men are like dandelions, we spread our seed far and wide, even when we love someone. Y’all don’t live in the real world, you probably never been in danger or never gotten punched in the face. Wake up
Great video… however I think they already addressed the Laenor plot point in episode 3. When Rhaenera mentions how restless his dragon is, and Mysaria responds “may be he (the dragon) is lonely” that seemed to hint the dragon was mourning. My guess is it sensed Laenor had died, where ever he was.
I got the same vibes.
Also the look on Rhea’s face (unnerved or maybe surprised). To me it felt like Mysaria’s words/observation made her snap into consider about Laenor’s wellbeing. Almost like a “oh shit, I hope Laenor is ok.” moment. I feel like they’re setting it up to write him off as dead.
I'm betting after the events of next episode, laenor pops up from wherever he's hiding and gets himself slain....
The general audience is never going to understand what the line in passing means
I had the same thoughts.
Oh to see Seasmoke being happy and smiling again!
Until he's murdered by his own kind. 😢
@@anorangetabby NOOOOOOOOOO!
Am I the only one that wants to see
Laenor Velaryon come back 🤷🏼♀️. I know what happens in the books but come backs are so loved appreciated on TV 🤷🏼♀️😆
@@AMYV3 To see Leanor eating cake and singing bawdy sea shantys whilst riding Seasmoke would be a treat!
Hugh Hammer is the one that I'm more excited the actor looks exactly like I imagine him
Hugh Hammer as a sympathetic character was really unexpected and suggests some new and interesting characterization for the dragon seeds
he’s sympathetic now; maybe he’ll be driven to do unsympathetic things further on? or at least, that’s what i believe.
@@monicad99 oh yeah, they are setting him up for loss, bitterness, and retribution. But it is much more interesting to have a character who feel no loyalty to his lords because the system destroyed his family than like the books, where he was just a turncloak
Given the prejudice against bastards in westeros I'm not surprised septon eustice might have taken some editorial liberties with those two.
@@Midgert89it’s also two different canons so don’t blame septon eusty ha
This post is from 2 weeks ago.
That's the episode where he knocked some guy out and stole his food, because he was too lazy to go down to the beach and pick up his own stuff 🤷♂️
Addam watching Sea Smoke flying overhead with such wonder was telling. He was curious and for sure wanted to know where that beautiful dragon was going. I suspect we will find out soon that Addam indeed follows and then claims.
I’ve been thinking he was watching Baela patrol on Moondancer which would be its own awesome Easter egg but it being seasmoke also works.
THE SEED IS STRO- wait, wrong house.
Nah, it all fits. ✌
Still works! Dragon rider seeds are strong, too :)
Well to be fair you don't get a nickname like Hard Hugh without being pretty yoked
Ahahaha
Loool
If Hugh actually was team smallfolk in the book cannon, I could definitely see the Maesters going out of their way to slander him
Yeah, that is the part book readers need to consider in every plot point - the maesters' biases.
Whats a book cannon? Sounds wasteful. Book canon.
I like the show’s choice to make foils of Ulf and Hugh.
Ulf is a lazy, honour-less, craven, hedonist only looking out for himself. Hugh is a hardworking family man. He feels honour bound to contribute to the war effort for his king, while trying provide for and protect his beloved wife and daughter.
Two very different motivations for pursuing their dragon seed claims. Also two different POV within the Kingslanding small folk. There not much point to including both characters if they serve the same POV with the same motivations.
It also makes for a more tragic arcs for Hugh if they follow the book path. If you’re looking for a potential classical chivalrous king of medieval lore, a hardworking family man of honour is a prime candidate; like a low born Ned Stark. George loves to take these classical tropes and turn them on their head. I could see Hugh becoming a honourable man corrupted by power, or perhaps his vengeance for his lost family drives him down a dark path.
or maybe he finds that only fighting for himself will do his family good, that none of these highborn families have any loyalty to him, even he was willing to give his to them.
@@monicad99 I like that too 👍
I think Rhaenyra/Daemon will be shook when Seasmoke gets claimed. Will have a convo that Laenor must’ve passed, Seasmoke was upset.
If Rhaenyra and Daemon ever speak again.
Oh sweet summer child
Theory: Nettles is Hugh daughter. Description fits and she is dragon seed through her dad. She seems sick right now but claiming a dragon she is brought back to full health (jaehaerys calling for an egg for sick daenerys link). Something happens maybe during the riots in kingslanding to Hugh’s wife and he flees from kings landing with daughter to dragonstone. A wide reach but I know everyone is desperate for nettles 😂
I thought she looked like a child maybe I'm wrong?
@@DavidLightbringer she did look young, younger than Jace but she looked a little older or same age as Luke maybe. It could be next season she would claim the dragon giving her time to age a little. Haha definitely a wiiiiiiiiiide reach only a thought really 🤔 only a justification for him even having a daughter where as in the books there was no mention of him having a family. But I think you are right in saying the reason they showed him having a family is to give us more perspective on the small folk. I unfortunately think it is much more likely that something bad will happen to them 🥲
@@jorose343I love that theory!
she's coming season 3. we're not getting 2 major battles this season
Ugh. It would be Daemon grooming again…. Otherwise I’m totally onboard with this theory.
My personal theory is his daughter will die in the KL riots serving as the catalyst to his betrayal.
24:35 with the way seasmoke has been acting, i think laenor dying is possible
"Hugh the Hammer and Sickle" if a superb joke i almost missed 😂 Hats off for that Dave
hehehe
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Glad someone else caught that. Che "El Chacal" Guevara and The Beard "disappeared" a lot of "smallfolk" including family and friends.
I re-read fire and blood recently and it seems like Nettles doesn't actually start doing things until after I expect season 2 to wrap up. I think there's a good chance that she will be in the show but they're not introducing her yet, so as not to overwhelm viewers who aren't lore nerds.
yeah. she features in the second big battle and they definitely are managing the cgi budget carefully so she won't show up this season
I mean the books didn't have Baela going after Cole or Rhaenys storming through the dragon pit so the show could've easily introduced us to Nettles already if she exists that is
@MrFredstt the battle she features in is considerably larger cgi budget. they want to also manage our short attention span and our emotions so for this season shes not needed
the showrunner was also cryptic when asked about Nettles after the season ended, which makes me think they are just saving her for s3 and are having fun watching fans speculate will she appear or not
man, your content really is so wonderful! I read fire and blood several years ago, so things are a little hazy in my memory, but you're bringing it all right back!!! also i have sent your daemon's dragon song video to anyone who will listen lmao i think it's one of the coolest asoiaf theories ive ever heard!! thanks for keepin the good stuff comin :)
I hope they show at least a glimpse of Marilda, another awesome smallfolk character from the book.
Got my GF to binge all of GoT and HotD she was hooked. Got her the books and had to get Fire and Blood after that. Shared this with her and you got yourself a new subscriber for life! Thanks for all the great videos!
I can’t wait for the “Loyal” moment. It’s my favorite part of the Dance in Fire and Blood
what is the loyal moment?
@@mohammadalirashed3103 oh that’s awesome, appreciate the comment
Mushroom said Addamm & Alyn were Corlys’ and he lied about them being Leanor’s 😅 The writters have gone with some of Mushroom’s theories thus far and judging by the cast (age) we can be sure they’re Corlys’s, afterall.
But I thought the Velaryons weren't dragon riders unless they had mixed blood with the Targaryens? Cuz Rhaenys children had dragons because of her
i mean it's not really theory when you have insurmountable evidence bro. laenor does not participate in activities that bring forth children....
the evidence tells you laenor would never be their dad...
I would be surprised if they weren't his. And now he's being wishy washy about naming Rhaena or Joffrey his heir right after his scene with Alyn?
@@TheOriginalAliKatthe Velaryons and Targaryens have constantly intermarried it’s almost the same bloodline.
What do you think of the Theory that Otto might take over the role of Hobart Hightower in the show and be part of the Caltrops and take Ulf out? It would fit with him going to Daeron and Oldtown right now, and give the viewers a character they know in the Reach storyline. I think it could be a good change.
yeah that could make a lot of sense, he would turn that scene into something truly epic like he did the confrontation with Aegon
Alicent specifically told Otto to go to the reach and manage the tyrells, not old town.
It's an interesting idea but I just don't see Otto willingly drinking the poisoned wine and sacrificing himself. He's the kind of person that sacrifices others.
@@aplusrecommends9406that’s not gonna happen for long if it does go that way
@@three-eyed_magpieI could see Otto drinking poisoned wine to take Ulf out. After everything he sacrificed to it Aegon on the throne, he will do anything.
David. Thank you so much for pointing out that Baelon was madly in love with Alyssa and likely is not Ulf's father. (I say likely because we obviously never know)
I was annoyed to see people talking Ulf at his word when people lie about absent parents all the time.
yeah I mean if I was writing that character, I would never have him say anything that was totally true. This is a guy who bends everything to make it a little better
Do I believe Ulf’s lying? Yes. But at the same time, men who love their wives cheat all the time. Especially in a society where there’s nothing wrong with men sleeping with women not their wives (at long as it’s not another man’s wife). Corlys clearly loves Rhaenys a great deal, that didn’t stop him from fathering two bastards (on the same woman I might mention) while away from her.
Jay Z cheated on Beyonce, just saying. No man can be just assumed to be above temptation
Didn’t Alyssa die young in their marriage and Baelon never remarried who’s to say he never went to a brothel after her death
@@mosthatedty9585 Facts, that would be a great throwback to Tywin too
I find it interesting Hugh seems to be portrayed as sympathetic and kinda lovable. Very curious change to the character.
I'm always in favor of more perspectives from the small folk, and this story has so many nasty people why not make something a little different? or maybe he'll have some crazy villain origin story when his family dies
it's bound to be interesting in the actor has a lot of presence
Same, looking forward to his character arc
Still waiting for the moment Daeron throws wine in his face.
There's a line in The Death Of Stalin: 'Nothing more dangerous than a weak man.' His desire for an easy life is alright, even loveable, when he's in a tavern trying to get a drink, but when you give that attitude a dragon...
I love the thought of Hugh being team smallfolk. Maybe he never really goes mad but the writers make him the villain bc they didn't want team smallfolk to get any crazy ideas in the future? Who knows, but we do know historians control how we remember history.
Upper class historians writing the history is an incredibly underrated facet of the human narrative that in my experience only marxist historians like Parenti even try to address
Alyn “Oakenfist” Velaryon, a legend in his own right.
I think when seasmoke gets claimed is when rhaenyra realizes that leanor has passed away. We really dont need any more than that to assume he has died. At least he got a few years to be free over in essos!
Alyssa died 17 years before Baelon did. It'd make sense if he wasn't celibate after she passed
Ikr! The sheer stupidity of these narrators is craazy.
0:50 which is why i'm excited to see how they're adapted for television. One of the strengths both GOT and HOTD have are shooting scenes that feel like POV chapters. Perfect for a large ensemble cast, especially with multiple dragonseeds now in the mix!
4:56 the way Ulf immediately pivots to "hail to the king!" mode after his storytelling had me rolling. Also very effecient character building
"That's father"😂😂. I knew i had seen him somewhere i just couldn't remember.😅
I love what you offer. Everytime you find the hidden angle. You also have such a sharp mind and great humor, adds so much. I love watching your videos❤
aww thank you so much that made my day
After Leanor surviving season one I thought he was going come back at some point with a bastard son claiming both were Corlys bastards to keep the story of his fake death.
I think we will see a situation similar to Ned with Hugh's story, where they basically say he was trying to usurp the throne. It should be interesting to see his character develop!
As far as seasmokes dragon bond being broken while his rider is “still alive” puzzles me….. when rheyneara hears the mistress of whispers say “maybe he’s lonely” … that was a clear indication to me of the show addressing that leynor died. The look on rheynearas face was one of loss and immediate acceptance that her ex husband was now dead.
It'd be pretty neat if Laenor and Qarl's end comes at the hands of a flamboyant purple pirate, making for that to be their introduction. It was the 2 of them who brought it up in Season 1.
sounds likely. they come back and die. which releases the dragon for when jace calls for the seeds....
I just caught up on the show the other night. It’s been a rough few weeks not being able to watch your videos, glad that’s over!
9:35 Didn't Otto say that Hobart Hightower was his nephew last episode? I think his older brother has died, in the show at least, and his nephew rules in Oldotwn. Though if they named the nephew Hobart in the show, it seems like maybe they're combining him with Ormund, who gets killed in the book leading to Hobart taking over?
13:00 I kinda love Hugh as being on Team Smallfolk too. And that's not even super incongruous with his book depiction, because if he was truly advocating for peasant revolt, the Citadel would have every reason to malign him in their sources since he challenges the status quo. That's why it's totally reasonable for Alicent and Rhaenyra to be much more sympathetic than the book depicts them to be, since neither Maesters nor Septons are known for having particularly high opinions of women as a group.
I just opened up TH-cam for the first time today and, imagine my utter joy when my notifications said ‘David Lightbringer has released a new video!’ Woohoo!I haven’t even begun watching the video yet, but I had to leave a comment because I am SO excited to hear your take on the Dragonseeds on HOTD! Let’s goooooooooo!
this is a fun one
@@DavidLightbringer Loved it!
Thanks for running us through these dragon seeds. I’m excited most for Hugh
I feel like they've addressed the Laenor thing as much as they're going to address it - Rhaenyra said Seasmoke had been restless recently and then she stops and looks said - I took that to mean she must have realized Seasmoke was restless because he felt that Laenor had died. It was incredibly subtle but for those paying attention, it seemed like enough. Though, knowing the writers, they may beat us over the head with it later on in whatever episode Addam claims him (I'm guessing that's what the beach scene is and Nyra will monologue or something).
Nettles will be there. They showed her breifly in one of the bar scenes. The camera was behind her as she walked in. It looked like thecsame girl from season 1 who worked for Miseria.
lol k
I need them to work in the line, "Please Hammer don't hurt 'em."
I can see them having Alys Rivers coming up with the Hammer prophecy, she tells Daemon and then Daemon tells Rhaenyra/the dragon seeds after meeting up with them at Kingslanding.
Im here for Hugh Guevara ✊🏽🇨🇺
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Viva la Westeros Libre
😂 i love this communities sense of humor
They already kind of explained what happened to Laenor. On episode 3, Seasmoke is restless like he never was before according to Rhaenyra. To me this is pretty clear "oh, Laenor died offscreen".
no point in keeping an actor alive on the show for no reason when the moment actually called for him to die....
@@last7509 You mean they should've killed him onscreen? Not sure, I actually like what they did considering how far they went to stablish that Rhaenyra is a "good" people. If they made her as ambitious as the rest of the lot, like in the book, then maybe. But THIS Rhaenyra they've stablished woudn't do it.
Laenor must have really disliked the life of royalty, because I don’t think I could give up a bond with such a beautiful beast to live a life of anonymity
I love these mid week videos!
I can't wait to see Silverwing!
Without naming names.
It's crazy that they're introduced so chill and as, practically, upstanding guys.
But then turn into such monsters almost instantly after getting their dragons.
1:26 small correction: Aegon and his sisters didn't conquer all of Westeros. They failed to conquer Dorne.
Absolutely loving the new intro 🎉🎉🎉
This intro is pumping me up making me move around on my chair makes me spinn!
Whoever wrote the script for this video is a genius!!!!!!
thank you! I write all of my scripts
I can't wait for Bold Jon Roxton
I like the idea of Dragon Dreams coming from the dragons themselves. Both Bran & Jon had very symbolic visions (wolf dreams) & it would make sense that a dragon communicating telepathically would be similar since animals don't have language the way humans do. Dream Logic is symbolic not literal. Niiiice. 👍
Hugh The Hammer and Sickle with his Red Dragon *Game of Thrones theme(Soviet version) start playing*
OMG Ertac Altinoz's art of Jon Roxton slipping in Hugh Hammer's entrails is more fun than a fireworks display! I'm feelin' the same gory glory as I did watching Evil Dead II.
Are they going to omit Nettles from the show? That would be a huge mistake.
No they are not
Great video but just a quick note about pronunciation because I saw that you're putting in corrections. "Celtigar" has a hard C sound like "crimson", "caterpillar" and "cat" not a soft C sound like "city" and "cent".
For reference, the Celtigars of Claw Isle are referred to by name in House of the Dragon Season 1 episode 10 at approximately the 21 minute mark by Maester Gerardys.
you are awsome. Thanks David for this videos!
always nice to see Frank the Tank on his way to Home Depot or Bed Bath and Beyond
Corlys successor also have a surviving problem as well not just being sailor.
A lot of the bad deeds accounted to Hugh will probably be done by Ulf who lies about his name in some manner to get Hugh to catch the blame (or something like that)
The Dragonseed stuff's really interesting (obviously) but I'd love to hear your theories about the Tavern Wench (Dana? Diana?) who flinches and takes a deep breath when Ulf slaps her backside - she's the serving girl that Aegon uh...treated in a way which caused Alicent to give her a bag of coin and send her away.
This raises a number of questions to me -
1. What happened to the coin? The bag, even if it's silver not gold, looked like enough for her to live off for a very long time as a peasant, if not buy the tavern outright (and she doesn't seem like the owner). The easy answer is she was robbed, but there are a lot of more interesting answers.
2. Why is she working in a Tavern Aegon seems to frequent? It seems like, even if she needed a job for whatever reason, she'd look elsewhere the first time her attacker came in given that she (entirely understandably) doesn't seem to have 'gotten over it' judging by her controlled trauma reaction to being touched from behind.
3. Why did she serve him? Again, even if she's the tavern owner, or stuck working there, surely someone else would've been willing to give the King his drinks?
Talking about it with my friend, we came up with two main possibilities - that, despite how it appears, she's the owner/bought it for her family and has just had to learn to tolerate the King coming in because it's not like she can ban him.
Or that she was recruited by Alicent's handmaid into the White Worm's network, and now works in the Tavern the nobles like to slum it in as an asset who will recognise important people from the palace and know how to act in a way that sets them at ease and doesn't draw attention.
"Everyone's a greenseer"
I'm tellin' Alt-Shift-X that you're joking on him. Lol!
Great video. Just subscribed to your channel. Pretty cool. Thanks for sharing 👍.
Oh, where did the video with the breakdown of the battle of rooks rest dissapeared to? I was so looking forward to watching that one🥺 did it get removed?
HBO copyright claimed it sadly :(
@@DavidLightbringer Aghh :( From the glimpses i've seen while at work it looked so awesome! And the work that you must have put in!
I hope you could still consider doing the battle breakdowns, it has so much potential!
Cheers and thank you for all the amazing content.
Thank you 😊
You laugh when talking about the many human characters dying during the dance. Yet when talking about the younger dragon trying to get his grandpa dragon to get up …THEN you express sadness (of sorts) 🤣🤣🤣
How we all love the dragons ❣️🤭🤭
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loved this video. I'm so looking forward to see more of the dragon seeds in the show. To see how the show adapts these moments.
Tom Bennett was hilarious as “The Nonce” on Ricky Gervais’ Netflix dramedy After Life. He’s only in a handful of scenes so his part is more of a glorified cameo, but hilarious nonetheless. To see him in this role is awesome, going to be interesting to see how the Dragonseeds’ storylines play out in this show
NGL Bro, I actively disliked this new tune you gave us (maybe immaturely because I fw the other two so hard) but it's DEFINITELY growing on me. I've had to restart this vid a few times (ADHD distractions) and the last time, I found myself bobbing along vigorously to the intro music. Ya got me with ya bright wizardry!
music is weird like that sometimes thanks for not hating it haha
@@DavidLightbringer Shiiiet thanks for making it. We got 3 bangers now.
Coffee and Tea Time in Europe ☕🍰✨🐲
Hugh as champion of the people and then the 'history' bweing a smear campaign from elistist monmarchists would eb top tier.
I like to think Allyn being Corlys bastard now could mean that cannibal and him are bonded making his funeral epic
I'm excited to see how the writers will make Hugh to be a very different character compare to what we see in the book. It might touch the issue of People's power vs the corrupt power of the monarchy
Awesome video. Thanks David.
Been waiting on this one. Lets do it!🎉
Best Dragonseed video ive seen 💪
Loyal Addam 😢😢
I’d be really pissed if they don’t resolve Laynor. His parents deserve that after their loyalty to someone they think killed him.
bet he reappears after next episode....
@@last7509 I really hope so, even if only to resolve it. I want his mom to see him.
Thank YOU for being wonderful and friendly, and for all the hard work and amazing content!
Praise Garth. I was getting bored at work.
Honestly Laenor dying offscreen was my assumption from the moment he was revealed to have survived. He was already set up as having an insatiable lust for battle, it would if anything be weird if he _didnt_ go join some sellsword company in Essos and die in battle
It'd be awesome to see the isle of faces
12:50 If ya smellllllllalalala, what the Ro, oh, that’s just the sewage from King’s Landing.
Praise Garth
Excellent video. Hopefully Nettles will show up in S3.
Doesn't Orphan Maker show up again later when house Peake launch their palace coup?
Yes
Another banger Lightbringer!
Corlys most likely fathered Hull boys during his marriage - if it was before, there would be no need to hide them. Also, actors are younger than Laenor currently is (though, of this show love to cast younger actors to play people much older - look at Aemond, Aegon, Helaena, Alicent and Mysaria).
Looking forward to the big dream video!
Great video!
Great video. Thank you. I have a question. How could Lord Corlys be the father of Addam & Allyn of Hull when he does not have the Dragon gene to pass on to his children? Laenor has it through his mother. These two must be Laenor's kids. Anyway, food for thought :-)
Their mother could have been a dragonseed too.
I think the show is going to switch Hugh and Ulf's stories. "We should be lords" is something show Hugh would say. "We should be kings" that's something show Ulf would say
I bet if you had an unlimited ammo helicopter in medieval England, you probably would want to rule the world too 😂
Yesss thank you for making this can’t wait to listen.. I’m rusty on my the reading but I just found my copy funnily enough
In episode 3 of House of the Dragon, Rhaenyra said that Seasmoke had become restless lately and she didn't know why. Maybe Laenor has died over in Essos.
I say bring on the rando's, nice to see they have introduced some of the seeds, but will we see any or many of the other, less fortunate dragonseeds?
Silver Denys, RIP
I just don’t understand why the writers would go out of the way to change up from the book and NOT kill off Laenor, only to kill him offscreen. What would be the point of that?
To make Rhae seem not as bloodthirsty
Because the book is not the truest account. The show is. The book is told from 3 perspectives its rumor and speculation with truth sprinkled in
@@Covers-and-Commentary HOTD is ONLY fully canon to GOT. There are somethings that can be carried over due to not conflicting with stuff like the Song of Ice and Fire Prophecy from Aegon. BUT there are many things from the show that completely don't match up with book canon. Fire and Blood isn't supposed to be "untrue" Fire and Blood when it comes to the Dance of Dragons is a "choose your own adventure" book. Fire and Blood gives you 2 to 3 versions of what could have happened and it lets the reader choose. In theory you could have one reader who interprets Fire and Blood with Daemon being a faithful and mostly honorable member of House Targaryen and another reader who interprets Fire and Blood with Daemon being completely and fully evil.
Exactly. This is why I believe he will turn up after hearing what happens to his mom and do something ill-advised and then perish
IMO they didn't want us to hate Team Black too early in the show so they let him live. 🤷🏼
I don't like the idea that Corlys cheated on Rhaenys. They were Madly in love. Only competent couple on the show. Only adults in the room.
While I don't like the idea that House Velaryon is now a dragonriding house because it means other Velaryons should've gone missing trying to claim Vhagar among other things.
I at least prefer the idea that before Corlys and Rhaenys were married that Corlys had them.
In all truthfulness I think that Addam is Laenor's son, as Laenor hints he's been with women before to Rhaenyra and that's how he knows he's gay. But the actors are on the older side for them to be going that way.
They both have same mother, the writers can’t make us believe that she gave birth to sons from Father and Son. Secondly, the actors they cast are too old to be from Leanor’s. Lastly but most importantly for you, it’s best to believe he had them before he married Rhaenys.
when I read the books I thought maybe they were Laenor trying to "go straight" and then in season 1 that seemed hinted at, but they are way too old. They gotta be Corlys's
@@DavidLightbringer Totally 💯 he did say that he doesn’t like goose very well 😃
Of course he cheated man. what’s wrong with males in this generation? Men are like dandelions, we spread our seed far and wide, even when we love someone. Y’all don’t live in the real world, you probably never been in danger or never gotten punched in the face. Wake up
great breakdown
I think Orphanmaker is recovered by lord Peake no? Either way fantastic video yo
Yes I think so as well. Read that part yesterday.
Wait, isn't orphan maker revealed at court by unwin peak later on?
That intro rocks