The real take away from this is just how beautifully engineered the Linux Mint operating system is; we see the very straightforward Mint installer, and having used this OS in place of Windows for over 20 years I can attest that the rest of Mint Linux will not disappoint.
Both from personal experience (and from others on “the Web”), Windows has a propensity to occasionally re-write the Boot Manager and corrupt GRUB during it’s many and frequent Updates. It might be a good idea to suggest to those wanting to Dual Boot to keep a copy of BOOT-REPAIR on a flash drive to restore GRUB in case Windows decides to take over the computer.
Chris, on 'explaining computers', published a nice piece - some months ago - along similar lines, however installing the OSes, each on it's own drive. Slightly more of a 'faff', but no danger of Windows messing up Grub, as the OSes are accessed via the BIOS boot menu and either may be set to be the default. And he likes Mint too - as have I since it first showed up (hot on the heels of Ubuntu) - demonstrating - at least, to me - that France is good for stuff, over and above Citroen and Camembert.
@@elmonte5lim It's definitely worth the hassle of having a separate physical drive for windows. I've had the windows messing up bootmgr issue before and it's a massive pain. Selecting the boot drive from the BIOS' boot menu isn't that much more work and helps prevent the issue.
I did dual boot on an old laptop that also has Win7. Not worried about updates on that and just keep Win7 around for connecting to a guitar amp as well as a ballistic program I sometimes use. I was wondering if Windows updates could do this and if so they probably would.
@@nathanlaundry THAT is what I ended up doing. Your primary O/S stays on your primary drive and your alternate O/S is on a physically separate drive. You want the alternative O/S, hit (or ESC on HP machines) and select the external drive (just as Jay did to load the .iso here) and you are off to the races --- totally secure
@@harveybc I think the first time I noticed a Grub problem after updating Windows was when I was dual-booting Xp and Mint on a P4 machine. 'plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose': - the more things change, the more they stay the same - It's that long ago, that I don't rightly recall if I dual-booted Win2K or 98 with Linux, but Xp? Deffo!
The one step that I would have added; while in windows, you should go look at your drive and see how much space windows is taking up.... because if it's using 400gb. and you only leave it 300gb of space when you do your partition.. things are going to get wiped, and likely at random.. So always leave more space than windows is currently using, just to be safe.. You were just pushing that slider around willy/nilly like it doesn't matter. lol.. (unless it does show the data used in windows, and I just missed it)..... still, it may not show it on all distros.
Hi, I'm not sure this method works any more, since August 2024. Microsoft pushed out an update to address a vulnerability in GRUB, back in August. Their update prevents booting from an ISO image, like the Mint Live USB image, also Ventoy. I guess this didn't come up as an issue in the making of the video as Secure Boot isn't enabled in EFI? I think most laptops and PCs running Windows 11 as the first/main OS will have Secure Boot enabled by default.
Tried this with a brand new Beelink mini. IT worked, kinda. On boot it goes straight to Windows, no grub menu. I can interrupt start-up with an F7 flurry and then I get the Ubuntu option, but that's the only way to get to Mint. This being my first dual boot experience, it presented a big fear for me - which OS is controlling the whole shebang to fix it in...
Please don't do it this way. We are seeing lots and lots of people having problems with dual booting from the same disk on Reddit and other support fora. Typically people get in trouble after having updated Windows, because Windows doesn't respect other OS'es on the same drive. Instead, buy an extra SSD. Disconnect your Windows SSD by removing the cables, and connect the new, empty SSD. Then go through the installation as Jay is showing. Reconnect your Windows SSD, so now you have two autonomous drives, one with Windows the other with Linux. When switching between them, use the BIOS menu in your computer. This is the cleanest and safest way to do dual boot.
Great video Jay. What happens if I decide to revert Mint installation? Maybe an idea for another video where you install Mint on a Windows machine with dual boot and then revert the process without loosing Windows installation. Thanks.
March of 2024 I ordered a Dell XPS 15 9530 with Windows 11 Pro. This PC has a second M.2 slot. I removed the Windows SSD from Mem slot 1 and installed a new 512 GB SSD in slot 2. Installed Mint22 on the 2nd SSD. After finishing up with the Mint install I re-installed the Windows SSD in Mem slot1 I can now boot between Win11 and Mint 22 by using F12 during boot and select the SSD/OS I want to boot from. Works very well. There is no GRUB menu when I boot from the WIN SSD, but there IS a GRUB menu when I boot from the Mint SSD. Something I noticed after Mint had an kernel update.. after the update, GRUB on the Mint drive now shows the Windows installation as a boot option along with Mint. Everything still works well. Then came another Mint kernel update about a week ago. I ran the update, but I forgot I hand a Linux for Raspberry Pi SD installed inserted in the SD slot.. After the kernel update GRUB now lists the SD card/OS along with Mint and Windows, something I don't need or want. Everything still works well.. I need to figure out how to edit out the third boot option that was created for the OS on the SD card. All in all I'm very pleased with how seamless everything is working.. Though so far have had NO NEED to use Windows, but I do boot it up about once a month so Microsoft can perform Windows updates. Windows doesn't seem to be aware of the Mint installation. All is good. Linux/Mint Rules !!!
GRUB is a Linux Boot Manager .... that's why you don't see it on Windows. But SOMETIMES (not always), Microsoft will decide to reload the Windows Boot Manager and corrupt GRUB and you will no longer be able to boot Linux (Mint or any other) until you either fix GRUB (BOOT-REPAIR) or reload the whole damn O/S. BTW, Linux will read old (pre Win-11) files just fine. Win-11 has a default file encryption (forget the name) that will have to be disabled for Linux to read the Windows files (otherwise Linux can't read the Win files). The Boot Manager corruption has happened to me about 4-5 times since I started using Linux in 2012 -- and I started using separate physical drives in 2021....(FWIW) Also, I use separate drives (partitions) for the root and home directories (which reviewers tend not to show during their O/S evaluations) --- that way, you update/load new O/Ss without touching and having to reload your data
Hey brother, have you considered doing a Linux+ exam preparation course? Or RHCSA/RHCSE? I’ve been following you for a while now and I like the way you explain your methods. I'd be interested, even if you charge for it on another platform, I'm all in 💯
What is NOT mentioned in this video is it does not work if the boot drive is greater than 2TB. I tried this on a single 4TB drive and selected install along side windows when the install completed ( even having a eufi system partition) it was installed along side but it does NOT create a boot menu and defautlts to booting Linux.
no, the PC needs a usb stick to be formmatted on a special way, it will not recognice the usb stick with only the ISO as a booteable device. If you dont want to use ventoy you can also use rufus. Have in mind that both options will erase everything on the usb stick. In general is much more easier to use ventoy, rufus can be a little confusing
I always have to use boot repair from linux live cd so i can get the os selection screen back. Otherwise it overwrites my windows boot. Also after that with grub customizer i set the os order...
As I understand and read that many people are encountering problems when doing the dual boat from one hard drive especially Windows 11. August 2024 security update might impact Linux boot in dual-boot setup devices. How to remedy this?
i use fedora btw ! but linux mint ui is just better than gnome in oppinion, but as a dev, i want the "cutting edge" software .... which mint dont offer
@@Tomas_F. that's a good rule of thumb, but windows fcked my install even tho I had two seperate disks with partitioned like they should be completely seperated. Windows update sometimes just likes to play russian roulette . I'm dual booting right now and I've been safe for a year, but haven't really used windows for a time ,and I would lie if I said I wasn't scared, knowing that there is a update I need to install.
I have 3 drives one is windows one is fedora and one is games I never removed any drives when installing fedora just selected the drive and installed no issues now PC just boots to Linux by default with option to select windows at boot up but haven't needed to go back lol
if you could reccomend me any linux distro for everyday use, programming and gaming, which would it be? Also if you are using any linux as normal os like windows or macOS, which are you using?
Don't just let the Linux install shrink the Windows partition. Shrinking an NTFS partition risks corruption of any files inside. In the case of your Windows partition, this can mean corrupting vital system files and breaking Windows. Best to re-install Windows on a smaller partition leaving blank space on which to install Linux. Then select the option to install Linux to the free space. This I learned from years of toying with Linux in dual-boot configurations before Windows 10 showed itself to be malware and I completed my migration to only Linux.
I'm no expert, but I set up a machine as dual boot recently. The advice I followed was to keep Windows happy, and shrink the partition from Windows Disk Manager first. I then manually partitioned the remaining space and set up Mint as dual boot. It works great but then I haven't booted this particular machine into Windows for a long time. I'm always worried that once I do, an update will trash GRUB. I'm planning on dual boot for my laptop soon (dual SSDs). I like the idea that someone mentioned above, of choosing the OS to boot from the UEFI menu rather than using GRUB (and risking Windows corrupting it). Maybe one day we won't need Windows at all...not quite there yet though!
No. Do not do this. Do not partition a single drive and install Linux alongside Windoze. Install your OS'es on separate physical drives, and switch between them using your BIOS/UEFI rather than a boot manager. Or just get rid of Windows entirely... It's about time to switch anyway, right ?
The real take away from this is just how beautifully engineered the Linux Mint operating system is; we see the very straightforward Mint installer, and having used this OS in place of Windows for over 20 years I can attest that the rest of Mint Linux will not disappoint.
Both from personal experience (and from others on “the Web”), Windows has a propensity to occasionally re-write the Boot Manager and corrupt GRUB during it’s many and frequent Updates. It might be a good idea to suggest to those wanting to Dual Boot to keep a copy of BOOT-REPAIR on a flash drive to restore GRUB in case Windows decides to take over the computer.
Chris, on 'explaining computers', published a nice piece - some months ago - along similar lines, however installing the OSes, each on it's own drive.
Slightly more of a 'faff', but no danger of Windows messing up Grub, as the OSes are accessed via the BIOS boot menu and either may be set to be the default.
And he likes Mint too - as have I since it first showed up (hot on the heels of Ubuntu) - demonstrating - at least, to me - that France is good for stuff, over and above Citroen and Camembert.
@@elmonte5lim It's definitely worth the hassle of having a separate physical drive for windows. I've had the windows messing up bootmgr issue before and it's a massive pain. Selecting the boot drive from the BIOS' boot menu isn't that much more work and helps prevent the issue.
I did dual boot on an old laptop that also has Win7. Not worried about updates on that and just keep Win7 around for connecting to a guitar amp as well as a ballistic program I sometimes use. I was wondering if Windows updates could do this and if so they probably would.
@@nathanlaundry THAT is what I ended up doing. Your primary O/S stays on your primary drive and your alternate O/S is on a physically separate drive. You want the alternative O/S, hit (or ESC on HP machines) and select the external drive (just as Jay did to load the .iso here) and you are off to the races --- totally secure
@@harveybc I think the first time I noticed a Grub problem after updating Windows was when I was dual-booting Xp and Mint on a P4 machine.
'plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose':
- the more things change, the more they stay the same -
It's that long ago, that I don't rightly recall if I dual-booted Win2K or 98 with Linux, but Xp?
Deffo!
The one step that I would have added; while in windows, you should go look at your drive and see how much space windows is taking up.... because if it's using 400gb. and you only leave it 300gb of space when you do your partition.. things are going to get wiped, and likely at random.. So always leave more space than windows is currently using, just to be safe.. You were just pushing that slider around willy/nilly like it doesn't matter. lol.. (unless it does show the data used in windows, and I just missed it)..... still, it may not show it on all distros.
Hi, I'm not sure this method works any more, since August 2024. Microsoft pushed out an update to address a vulnerability in GRUB, back in August. Their update prevents booting from an ISO image, like the Mint Live USB image, also Ventoy. I guess this didn't come up as an issue in the making of the video as Secure Boot isn't enabled in EFI? I think most laptops and PCs running Windows 11 as the first/main OS will have Secure Boot enabled by default.
Thanks for this excellent video. I'm installing Mint on a laptop as we speak. :-)
Tried this with a brand new Beelink mini. IT worked, kinda. On boot it goes straight to Windows, no grub menu. I can interrupt start-up with an F7 flurry and then I get the Ubuntu option, but that's the only way to get to Mint. This being my first dual boot experience, it presented a big fear for me - which OS is controlling the whole shebang to fix it in...
Thank you, this was exactly what I needed.
Please don't do it this way. We are seeing lots and lots of people having problems with dual booting from the same disk on Reddit and other support fora. Typically people get in trouble after having updated Windows, because Windows doesn't respect other OS'es on the same drive. Instead, buy an extra SSD. Disconnect your Windows SSD by removing the cables, and connect the new, empty SSD. Then go through the installation as Jay is showing. Reconnect your Windows SSD, so now you have two autonomous drives, one with Windows the other with Linux. When switching between them, use the BIOS menu in your computer. This is the cleanest and safest way to do dual boot.
as soon as i search this on youtube you upload this. dang.
Great video Jay. What happens if I decide to revert Mint installation? Maybe an idea for another video where you install Mint on a Windows machine with dual boot and then revert the process without loosing Windows installation. Thanks.
March of 2024 I ordered a Dell XPS 15 9530 with Windows 11 Pro. This PC has a second M.2 slot. I removed the Windows SSD from Mem slot 1 and installed a new 512 GB SSD in slot 2. Installed Mint22 on the 2nd SSD. After finishing up with the Mint install I re-installed the Windows SSD in Mem slot1 I can now boot between Win11 and Mint 22 by using F12 during boot and select the SSD/OS I want to boot from. Works very well. There is no GRUB menu when I boot from the WIN SSD, but there IS a GRUB menu when I boot from the Mint SSD.
Something I noticed after Mint had an kernel update.. after the update, GRUB on the Mint drive now shows the Windows installation as a boot option along with Mint. Everything still works well. Then came another Mint kernel update about a week ago. I ran the update, but I forgot I hand a Linux for Raspberry Pi SD installed inserted in the SD slot.. After the kernel update GRUB now lists the SD card/OS along with Mint and Windows, something I don't need or want. Everything still works well.. I need to figure out how to edit out the third boot option that was created for the OS on the SD card.
All in all I'm very pleased with how seamless everything is working.. Though so far have had NO NEED to use Windows, but I do boot it up about once a month so Microsoft can perform Windows updates. Windows doesn't seem to be aware of the Mint installation. All is good. Linux/Mint Rules !!!
GRUB is a Linux Boot Manager .... that's why you don't see it on Windows. But SOMETIMES (not always), Microsoft will decide to reload the Windows Boot Manager and corrupt GRUB and you will no longer be able to boot Linux (Mint or any other) until you either fix GRUB (BOOT-REPAIR) or reload the whole damn O/S.
BTW, Linux will read old (pre Win-11) files just fine. Win-11 has a default file encryption (forget the name) that will have to be disabled for Linux to read the Windows files (otherwise Linux can't read the Win files).
The Boot Manager corruption has happened to me about 4-5 times since I started using Linux in 2012 -- and I started using separate physical drives in 2021....(FWIW)
Also, I use separate drives (partitions) for the root and home directories (which reviewers tend not to show during their O/S evaluations) --- that way, you update/load new O/Ss without touching and having to reload your data
Great video. I'm wondering how this works if BitLocker is running. Does the boot menu show up after BitLocker?
turn off it before u turn off secure boot
Excellent video 👍 Thank you 💜
Hey brother, have you considered doing a Linux+ exam preparation course? Or RHCSA/RHCSE? I’ve been following you for a while now and I like the way you explain your methods. I'd be interested, even if you charge for it on another platform, I'm all in 💯
What is NOT mentioned in this video is it does not work if the boot drive is greater than 2TB. I tried this on a single 4TB drive and selected install along side windows when the install completed ( even having a eufi system partition) it was installed along side but it does NOT create a boot menu and defautlts to booting Linux.
after u login window os and restart window, The window os edit the boot loader to show only window boot manager and linux options well deleted 😢
we need a video to fix this problem
I myself found that the best solution was removing windows from all my devices
one single question, can i just drag the iso file on an empty usb stick and run mint or do i need to make a ventoy drive?
no, the PC needs a usb stick to be formmatted on a special way, it will not recognice the usb stick with only the ISO as a booteable device. If you dont want to use ventoy you can also use rufus. Have in mind that both options will erase everything on the usb stick.
In general is much more easier to use ventoy, rufus can be a little confusing
I always have to use boot repair from linux live cd so i can get the os selection screen back. Otherwise it overwrites my windows boot. Also after that with grub customizer i set the os order...
Jay L., what is your favourite Linux distro? What would you recommend?
All good until windows kills your GRUB file.
As I understand and read that many people are encountering problems when doing the dual boat from one hard drive especially Windows 11. August 2024 security update might impact Linux boot in dual-boot setup devices. How to remedy this?
i have a usb i’m just dragging iso into their correct and follow the rest ?
How do you record the UEFI / Bios screen without OBS???
i use fedora btw ! but linux mint ui is just better than gnome in oppinion, but as a dev, i want the "cutting edge" software .... which mint dont offer
Don't forget to make separate EFI partition ☝️
Is this important? The presenter didn't do it and the Mint installer doesn't default to this
It's good thing to do. Win Update can change EFI -> no more Linux boot option, automatically boot into Win. Separate EFI for Linux prevent this.
@@Tomas_F. that's a good rule of thumb, but windows fcked my install even tho I had two seperate disks with partitioned like they should be completely seperated. Windows update sometimes just likes to play russian roulette . I'm dual booting right now and I've been safe for a year, but haven't really used windows for a time ,and I would lie if I said I wasn't scared, knowing that there is a update I need to install.
I have 3 drives one is windows one is fedora and one is games I never removed any drives when installing fedora just selected the drive and installed no issues now PC just boots to Linux by default with option to select windows at boot up but haven't needed to go back lol
if you could reccomend me any linux distro for everyday use, programming and gaming, which would it be?
Also if you are using any linux as normal os like windows or macOS, which are you using?
Don't just let the Linux install shrink the Windows partition. Shrinking an NTFS partition risks corruption of any files inside. In the case of your Windows partition, this can mean corrupting vital system files and breaking Windows.
Best to re-install Windows on a smaller partition leaving blank space on which to install Linux. Then select the option to install Linux to the free space.
This I learned from years of toying with Linux in dual-boot configurations before Windows 10 showed itself to be malware and I completed my migration to only Linux.
I'm no expert, but I set up a machine as dual boot recently. The advice I followed was to keep Windows happy, and shrink the partition from Windows Disk Manager first. I then manually partitioned the remaining space and set up Mint as dual boot. It works great but then I haven't booted this particular machine into Windows for a long time. I'm always worried that once I do, an update will trash GRUB.
I'm planning on dual boot for my laptop soon (dual SSDs). I like the idea that someone mentioned above, of choosing the OS to boot from the UEFI menu rather than using GRUB (and risking Windows corrupting it).
Maybe one day we won't need Windows at all...not quite there yet though!
No.
Do not do this. Do not partition a single drive and install Linux alongside Windoze.
Install your OS'es on separate physical drives, and switch between them using your BIOS/UEFI rather than a boot manager.
Or just get rid of Windows entirely... It's about time to switch anyway, right ?
Nah linux is ass
👍
4k vedios play mint
I don't like dualboot...