Would love more of this style of podcast. I would love to see in the details of coaching as well, like how would managers choose a system/formation and what are the key criteria of doing so. How would these systems changes the players/training sessions.
Please bring in financial person too. On how they managed transfer budgets, when should they expect to receive the broadcasting money, would the player be categorised as fixed assets, would they depreciate/ amortize the players based on their contract period, the club sources of revenue, players salary & bonus, how they manage salary cap, is there any other investment made by the club that is not related to football, which body would supervise club's financial/ to who the club need to present their financial reports is it only to UEFA or IRB too & etc..
Thanks for doing this! I've missed these long-form interviews. You guys used to do them a lot and it was the reason I started listening. Hope this means there'll be some more in the future
I like the fact that Dan has gone to great lengths to explain why data and stats are just useless, if not used in tandem with other variables and other modeling cues such as weighting and regression. This legendary quote immediately comes to mind; "Stats are like a bikini, they don't reveal everything" -Steve Kompela
Great stuff. Cheers to Dr. Dan for coming in and explaining his professional work. This one takes me back to the old office, books holding up mics/cameras, and Steve Morrison explaining why the person yelling at him for not pressing is literally countering everything his manager drilled him not to do all week for that match. Seb speaking with Clyde...hell, even how we were all introduced to JJ initially. These are true boat-times people. Drink it in. Thanks, Tifo.
I love all the TIFO podcasts in general and this subject is fantastic - the only issue I have with interviewing data-led professionals is they are always safeguarding their information / always feel like they are not letting us fully "in". Which is fair because of their job, but it doesn't make for an ideal podcast guest, as I don't feel like I fully know what they do, there are no examples of players they have helped pluck from obscurity or any concrete examples of any of their work. At the end of the podcast, I don't feel like I've learnt a lot more than I previously knew because of this. Again, I did enjoy the podcast I just felt like so much was held back and I wish the stats side of the game was a bit more open, to create a better conversation.
Love it! Just the old days before you were game relevant! As much as I dig your regular pods, this kind of interview is what first got me onto the tifo train all those years ago! Would love more stuff like this
This is fantastic. AFL is leagues behind football in terms of data analysis and great to see an aussie leading the way in it. Never thought I'd see the two sports I follow like this on Tifo of all places
now i appreciate more how stats and data were implemented on fm, its interesting that the player value were calculated based on your club and league just like fm
So as I understand regarding the clustering point, and quantifying abilities using different metrics per position etc. Might an example be, in dribbling, for a number 6 them dribbling all the time and long distance carries etc might not be that useful given that would mean being out of position often. So instead of using metrics such as distance carried, successful dribbles, and progressive dribbles, they might instead use successful dribble percentage, dribbles under pressure, dribbles away from pressure, ball retention etc. Whereas for an 8 in a mezzala role, or wide playmaker, they might instead determine their dribbling rating based on progressive dribbles, entries into the box, xthreat created via dribbles etc? If so that makes a lot of sense. I think we all try to use some of this sense anyway just naturally. Like if a CB has quite progressive passing, but he also has many unsuccessful long and short passes, within a pretty good ball playing environment, it might not we worth that tradeoff. This was a great podcast.
I’ve done high-level data analysis in the financial services sector-I can tell you with a lot of confidence that it won’t work well because it’s not a static game & it’s about intertwining a system of play & personalities.
So what I’m hearing is that all of us FM veterans are actually budding amateur data analysts ☺️ No, but seriously, this was an unexpected, interesting and excellent bonus episode. Tifo goes from strength to strength. Thanks for this.
I love this type of segments. I'd like to know how transfer fees are determined...it seems a club just slaps an arbitrary price on a player and it's up to the buyer to negotiate
It seems a lot of data is about individual players, it would be interesting to get data about how players play together in partnerships and how that makes a difference to the data.
As someone with a master's degree in sports analytics and a particular interest in talent ID, this was an awesome video! But also slightly sad I turned down my PhD offer now
Keys and Grey would be spinning in their graves as 'proper football men!!' I love the data side of football personally as it helps you see the real value in someone who might be good in the narrative or even a player that is not good in the narritive
The question I would have liked to know is did Dan prove out his model to the Chelsea higher-ups by using historical data. For example, did he go back to the 2014/2015 data and show that, yeah, that kid at Caen called NGolo Kante that nobody's heard of is actually the best DM in the world? If they had spoken about some players, other than Haaland, that his model would have identified if used 5 or 10 years ago, I think that would have made it more compelling. Thanks!
Why not just develop fully optimisable machines to play the game, machines that can transmit live stats and that can be programmed and controlled from the sidelines? I mean, that would be more efficient, right?
Does he get to first base? Was the main line in Moneyball. Do scouting teams just look at numbers now and don't actually watch the player in a 99 min game.
Hey Joe, I think the word you were looking for is "Biases." You can try all you want to use science-based research to discuss, analyze and conclude your world, the world of football; in this case, however, Biases will always hunt you...because you're human. Good conversation.
Would love more of this style of podcast. I would love to see in the details of coaching as well, like how would managers choose a system/formation and what are the key criteria of doing so. How would these systems changes the players/training sessions.
Please bring in financial person too. On how they managed transfer budgets, when should they expect to receive the broadcasting money, would the player be categorised as fixed assets, would they depreciate/ amortize the players based on their contract period, the club sources of revenue, players salary & bonus, how they manage salary cap, is there any other investment made by the club that is not related to football, which body would supervise club's financial/ to who the club need to present their financial reports is it only to UEFA or IRB too & etc..
A bonus episode?? My gates have suddenly become so good
Yes with the newsman jj bull too
Kuddos to you sir, can't pay attention to the podcast cuz I'm still laughing
Best comment I've seen today
'We gates are wery good'
Haha yesssshhh
I signed this guy as a performance analyst on my FM22 Everton save! So wild to put a personality and a face to the name
Thanks for doing this! I've missed these long-form interviews. You guys used to do them a lot and it was the reason I started listening. Hope this means there'll be some more in the future
I like the fact that Dan has gone to great lengths to explain why data and stats are just useless, if not used in tandem with other variables and other modeling cues such as weighting and regression. This legendary quote immediately comes to mind; "Stats are like a bikini, they don't reveal everything" -Steve Kompela
Would love to hear more about how Dan got into sport analytics. Definitely one of my interests
I love how much he talks about communicating data in terms that everyone can understand then continue to use loads of words no one can understand
I learn more about football from interviews like these than I do watching former players who turn to punditry.
Hellooo. What a special episode!
You know what else is special? The Athl.... Never mind.
As a current data analyst hoping to one day get into data analytics side of football, this was a superb podcast, thankyou!
bro can you recommend to what to study for data analyst role
Great stuff. Cheers to Dr. Dan for coming in and explaining his professional work.
This one takes me back to the old office, books holding up mics/cameras, and Steve Morrison explaining why the person yelling at him for not pressing is literally countering everything his manager drilled him not to do all week for that match.
Seb speaking with Clyde...hell, even how we were all introduced to JJ initially. These are true boat-times people. Drink it in. Thanks, Tifo.
I love all the TIFO podcasts in general and this subject is fantastic - the only issue I have with interviewing data-led professionals is they are always safeguarding their information / always feel like they are not letting us fully "in". Which is fair because of their job, but it doesn't make for an ideal podcast guest, as I don't feel like I fully know what they do, there are no examples of players they have helped pluck from obscurity or any concrete examples of any of their work. At the end of the podcast, I don't feel like I've learnt a lot more than I previously knew because of this. Again, I did enjoy the podcast I just felt like so much was held back and I wish the stats side of the game was a bit more open, to create a better conversation.
I think the trick would be to get the data analyst very drunk at the pub and let the player specific examples come rolling in !
2 podcasts this week.
Awesome 😍
We need more podcasts related to role of data in football 😍😍
Really enjoyed this, as a techie i would've loved to hear about how data scientists do the analysis. But that could be quite dry for most folk 😂
I'm buzzing to see this... as someone who spends half his day on fbref and caring about pressures per 90 for strikers this is immense.
On a Thursday? YEEEES
I was not expecting the mighty Collingwood to be brought up in Tifo EVER. Great podcast guys and UP THE MAGGIESSSS
UP THE PIES ⚪️⚫️
Excited to listen to this, as I have some interest in scouting and data. Great content guys!
Oooo…extra podcast? Really cool topic guys! Great info. My gates felt so good after finishing this episode.
Dan is brilliant, you can tell he has a thorough understanding of his work and he's able to relay that information in an easily palatable manner
Love it! Just the old days before you were game relevant! As much as I dig your regular pods, this kind of interview is what first got me onto the tifo train all those years ago! Would love more stuff like this
This is fantastic. AFL is leagues behind football in terms of data analysis and great to see an aussie leading the way in it. Never thought I'd see the two sports I follow like this on Tifo of all places
It's not that far behind within the walls of clubs at elite levels. But the average folk doesn't have the same access to data
This was a great bonus episode!
Phenomenal interview, loved the Aussie rules comparison - great job guys
Nothing can beat a fuel card, trench coat and a feeling in the plums.
More podcast?
Yeeeesssh
Will this make me better at scouting in Football Manager?
Man this is so cool that something that kids kicking about in a park has all these levels of insane details all the way up to the professional game.
This is sick. Love this episode even more than the regular podcast. Great interview and chat
now i appreciate more how stats and data were implemented on fm, its interesting that the player value were calculated based on your club and league just like fm
Great video. Really interesting - would love to hear more from Dan.
Been too long since we've seen a podcast special. Great insight into our beautiful game!
i've been thinking i missed the tifo podcast interviews so this is nice
This has been a wonderful listen, putting a lot of things into perspective
Loved it. Dr.Dan Thank you
This was great! Please bring more on the topic
Subjective scouting presumably covers things like - character, stamina, contribution to morale, vocalisations and teamwork
Would love to see you guys witness a game of Aussie Rules and discuss it briefly. The grand final of this season is September 24 if you're curious...
As an Aussie it'd be cool if Tifo went cross code
This was really great guys. Love your podcast normally anyway but this was really informative
Include JJ in everything please. Thanks!
Really living for the week this week
This was good. Cheers to Dr Dan for doing it.
2 episodes in 1 week is truly worth it's weight in 10p Fredos
So as I understand regarding the clustering point, and quantifying abilities using different metrics per position etc. Might an example be, in dribbling, for a number 6 them dribbling all the time and long distance carries etc might not be that useful given that would mean being out of position often. So instead of using metrics such as distance carried, successful dribbles, and progressive dribbles, they might instead use successful dribble percentage, dribbles under pressure, dribbles away from pressure, ball retention etc. Whereas for an 8 in a mezzala role, or wide playmaker, they might instead determine their dribbling rating based on progressive dribbles, entries into the box, xthreat created via dribbles etc?
If so that makes a lot of sense. I think we all try to use some of this sense anyway just naturally. Like if a CB has quite progressive passing, but he also has many unsuccessful long and short passes, within a pretty good ball playing environment, it might not we worth that tradeoff. This was a great podcast.
Really good ep! Reminds me of the good old days more specials please!
Loved this. Brilliant stuff.
More to the point, how ARE data used?
A special podcast? Yesssshhhh!
This is one of the best they did this year.
I remember the data people telling Liverpool to buy Carroll and Downing. On paper, it made sense.
This was super interesting. Very unique episode 👌🏻
Love JJ translating everything into FM terms
Wild description of footy. The Finals are on now, if anybody’s curious, and there’s a game starting in about 7 hours
Freo Pies tomorrow too
hey, i just listened to an interview of him on the official AFL podcast!
Another great podcast.
I’ve done high-level data analysis in the financial services sector-I can tell you with a lot of confidence that it won’t work well because it’s not a static game & it’s about intertwining a system of play & personalities.
So what I’m hearing is that all of us FM veterans are actually budding amateur data analysts ☺️ No, but seriously, this was an unexpected, interesting and excellent bonus episode. Tifo goes from strength to strength. Thanks for this.
FM is really just a (fun) giant spreadsheet
excellent interview thanks
Wheyyy aussie on Tifo!
yay morning extra podcast in Canada time!
None of it was surprising to hear, but it was very interesting and informative
I've played Aussie rules for 2-3 years, nice experience. :)
It looks like Rugby and I've played Rugby.
@@runrafarunthebestintheworld It's the cousin of football and rugby that developed independently by the British prisoners in Australia. :)
nice more podcast
I love this type of segments. I'd like to know how transfer fees are determined...it seems a club just slaps an arbitrary price on a player and it's up to the buyer to negotiate
Super interesting, thanks for this!
I already love Dr Dan 😍
This was awesome !
Another banger by tifo
Even more podcast please
SPECIAL EP WE LOVE EM
It seems a lot of data is about individual players, it would be interesting to get data about how players play together in partnerships and how that makes a difference to the data.
I immediately pictured the way JJ described traditional scouting as a noir film
Y’all should do a daily 3 hour podcast!
I would love to hear Dan and Mark Carey on the same podcast talking about this
Wait he's at Chelsea. ? Is he part of the new data team which Boehly brought on or was he already here ?
As someone with a master's degree in sports analytics and a particular interest in talent ID, this was an awesome video! But also slightly sad I turned down my PhD offer now
Keys and Grey would be spinning in their graves as 'proper football men!!'
I love the data side of football personally as it helps you see the real value in someone who might be good in the narrative or even a player that is not good in the narritive
The question I would have liked to know is did Dan prove out his model to the Chelsea higher-ups by using historical data. For example, did he go back to the 2014/2015 data and show that, yeah, that kid at Caen called NGolo Kante that nobody's heard of is actually the best DM in the world? If they had spoken about some players, other than Haaland, that his model would have identified if used 5 or 10 years ago, I think that would have made it more compelling. Thanks!
this was amazing
It is fascinating how football is becoming an industry anyone can break into thanks to data and statistics.
His work is genuinely fascinating, is there any possibility we can trap him in a scattergraph
Why not just develop fully optimisable machines to play the game, machines that can transmit live stats and that can be programmed and controlled from the sidelines? I mean, that would be more efficient, right?
Can we make Dr. Dan a regular?
Huge fan
Does he get to first base?
Was the main line in Moneyball.
Do scouting teams just look at numbers now and don't actually watch the player in a 99 min game.
JJ needs to live his dreams of being a football manager!
Hey Joe, I think the word you were looking for is "Biases." You can try all you want to use science-based research to discuss, analyze and conclude your world, the world of football; in this case, however, Biases will always hunt you...because you're human. Good conversation.
What happened to the other guy that did the podcasts with Joe before the buyout?
YES AUSTRALIAN! 🇦🇺
A surprise, but a welcome one.
My favourite newsman’s
Very interesting
Love it
45 minutes flew by there!
Get this dude in the scattergram to free Mark Carey
at 18:23 I'm disappointed JJ didn't jump in with "dribbly boi"
The gates have been made oh so good!
Gaits are good
1:58 Subtle and intelligent way of saying baseball and generally North American sports are boring
I don't know anyone alive that would claim Basketball is boring