Mr Gupta,You showed Nomura's Prediction of 5.5% growth for India in 2023,Whereas As India's Growth Rate for 2023-24 is again about to Beat all expections by nearing 8% at a Time of Global Uncertainty,where India's Predictions were also very low,But India beat them All
@@ranjitpal9937Indian Sukhois Are More Powerful than Paxtan F-16 Simply Becoz all Those Sukhois were Acquired in last 20 years and Equipped with New Digital Lethal Tech and Now The IAF has Ordered $ 8 Billion Dollar+ Upgrade for Sukhois to make it more Lethal ,Where as The paxtanis have acquired all those F-16 in 80s and 90s and Don't have any Advanced Digital Tech of 21st Century except for Half-dozen and they don't have any money to upgrade, That's why they are going for Cheaper Chinese Alternatives which have No history of Combat experience or any Acknowledgement by Experts that they are Good Outside of China or Paxtan and only utterly Poor and Failed countries are buying Becoz of Financial Burden and they can't even Afford Russian jets and Anyways I'm happy that India is Either buying highly Advanced Western Tech with ToT and Making In India itself
Mr Gupta,You showed Nomura's Prediction of 5.5% growth for India in 2023,Whereas As India's Growth Rate for 2023-24 is again about to Beat all expections by Crossing 7% at a Time of Global Uncertainty,where India's Predictions were also very low,But India beat them All
It should be Privatized so that it doesn't Take 40 or even 20 years for ut to be Fully Opertationalized, Although HAL has Been Performing Incredibly Well Ubder Modi Govt especially since 2018 listing on Exchange,But Many Still don't Trust any PSU and RIGHTLY SO
After external affairs minister S. Jaishankar said that India cannot pick a fight with China because the latter has a bigger economy, military veterans have accused the Narendra Modi government of having a “defeatist attitude” and “bowing down to a bully”.
Our Air force lags behind PAF and that is a shame..we are still flying Migs and mirage and that shows our standard...we don't have indigenous good drone program like iran or turkey.. don't know what aatmanirbhr bharat is doing
Lag behind paf? What u smokin dude😂.. and still its now way better than cong time.. atleast we r doing something now. And it will take another decade to catchup..
Even Turkey already has a 5th generation aircraft prototype already flying 😢. Also something we need to ask in the scenario of a protracted war how easily can someone replace a 5th generation fighter since they are so expensive and complicated.
@@alok5065 You console yourself by saying this. Kaan is designed as a 5th Generation aircraft and will acquire 6th Generation features in future blocks. Türkiye is already working on the 6th Generation concept. Kızılelma and Anka 3 will accompany Kaan as his loyal wingman.
Just because India develops and engine does not mean much. Russia has been developing engines, but no major commercial airlines will use Russian engine. Engine reliability and engine lifespan of American engines are best in the world. The next best is European.
@@warnpassion Nope. America is the best. American engines last 12000 flight hours. European engines can last 8000 flight hours. In engine lifespans, power, etc. America is way ahead of Europe. In fact, America sells planes to Europe.
5th generation aircrafts were developed in early 2000s. We are so far behind. By the time we develop 5th gen the world would have moved on to 6th gen. We need to infuse a lot of money and research resources to leapfrog to 6th gen. Of course I understand we cannot go to 6th gen without having experience with 5th gen but we need to be thinking ahead. I hope they are, I can't be the only one thinking this way
US has a pool of almost infinite pool of money , and most talented people , if they see any capable person , US will poach them . As for China , their spy network does the heavy lifting , by taking critical tech , which they don't have to develop on their own . India doesn't have both , so we take our time .
ndia getting ready for two front war with China and Pakistan While 1. Pakistan readies Ground work for induction of J31. 2. Pak Turk 5th Gen KAAN project took its first flight. 3. Project Azm (Under development) 4. PF-X (Under development) 5. Inducting and upgrading JF17s 6. Retired all its 3rd gen fighters. China: 1. Produced 210~250+ (as of 2023) 5th gen J20 stealth air superiority 2. About to induct J35 stealth air superiority 3. Produced 602+ J10 multi role 4. Produced 470+ J-11 air superiority 5. Produced 85+ J15 multi role 6. Produced 245+ J16 strike fighter 7. Testing H20 stealth bombers. India: 1. Tejas Mk1 FAILED 2. Tejas Mk 1A FAILED 3. Tejas MK2 DELAYED till 2027 4. TEDBF DELAYED. 5. AMCA DELAYED till 2034 Fighter jets according to date of introduction. Indian Air Force: Mig21..... 1959....65 years old Mig 29.... 1983....41 years old Jaguar.... 1973.....51 years old Mirage 2K. 1984..40 years old Su30mki....2002...22 years old Rafale........2001...23 years old Tejas.........2015.....9 years old Meanwhile in last 20 years the number of jet crashed by Indian air force are more than they have inducted into their fleet.
AMCA is a huge disappointment for everyone who's been watching this space, the Turkish and even the Koreans got their planes ready even after starting later and not to talk about china having already developed more than one 5th gen aircraft. Absolute disappointment 👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻
🤡 .. turkey and korea got their plane ready🤡. Turkey flew prototype without radar, ew suit..how can you call it 5th gen.. without all imp accessories which makes it 5th gen.. and about korean plane..its 4.5gen. Thanx to america
American company Lockheed Martin helped Korea develop the 4.5 gen aircraft. The Koreans then developed a 5th gen lookalike called KF-21 which will eventually through Korean R&D be developed into a 5th gen. The Turks because of NATO links get priviledged access to tech but it's their first fighter aircraft so it may not match the F-35 or even Chinese 5th gens as they have so much more investment in the area and expertise.
From past experiences I think IAF will ask for features of a stealth fighter with bomb load of a b-52 bomber coupled with speed of a mig-31 while having music system from Bose. Expect prototype to be ready by 2047
It is not only building deterrence but also building industry and infrastructure. India can keep its defence procurement active from its friends US and France and parallely build its own industry.
Atleast theoretically PAF has again outranged us since 2023 with induction of J10CE with comes with PL 15 (200km claimed ranges Vs Rafale's Meteor (150 km). In next 4-5 years they will have J31 and then Turkish Kaan in next 10 yrs. India needs to have stop gap arrangement and technological superiority/edge (F 35 limited numbers) in next 5-7 until years as AMCA induction starts in 10-12 years.
You need the prerequisite tech to hop on to 6th gen or join other countries 6th gen program. Us won't invite us and we have seen what happened with the 5th gen co-dev project with Russia. So we started from 4th gen lca tejas, now we will move towards 4.5th gen lca tejas mk 2, to 4.5th or 5th gen amca to 5th gen AMCA mk 2.
According to these so called journalists: J31 is not that stealthy, Pakistan is buying a less stealthy Aircraft. And then they say Tejus crash is a normal thing nothing to worry.. 😂😂
J-31 or the Chinese Navy's J-35 is absolutely a 5th generation stealthy fighter. Stealth shaping makes up 90% of stealth efficacy. The J-35 looks very similar to F-35. So if you want to claim J-35 is not stealthy, then by default you are also claiming the F-35 is not stealthy.
AMCA is very interesting & needed. While stating the obvious you did not touch the point of CAN AN INDIAN PRIVATE FIRM MAKE A FIGHTER AIRCRAFT SOON? That will be a game changer. INDIA can be a big player if this happens. Of course, HAL needs competition.
It’s not - that was SGs argument. He said under Modi govt for 10 years - bureaucratic red tape should have been eliminated and it wasn’t, which is a problem. But the fact that SG said “in Modi’s rule - this is not acceptable” means he expects speed from Modi that he would not expect from any one else.
Modi's obsession with this Atmnirbhar bullshit would cost us big time.. This moron just refuses to buy anything from abroad and deals take forever.. Even it is an emergency procurement to fullfil immediate capability gap.. Why can't we even buy atleast like 50 more Rafaels to atleast jump up our numbers is absolutely bonkers to me..
I believe our economy will help boost our defense budget in the coming years' time (within 2 years' time). Our Economy will be 10+% from next year onwards for at least some foreseeable future. And hence it will be us and China and not Pakistan anymore in the triangulation...this from the fact our huge number of just the educated youngsters coming out of our colleges reconciled against the huge brain drain, poverty, and our incredibly low and bad educational system.
In 1962 Brazilians visited HAL to learn how to build an areoplane. In 2024 Brazil is a powerhouse of commercial and other aircraft manufacturing, but HAL is still in the "talking" stage. HAL, the GOI funded money sink has yet to build anything worth its salt. TEJAS is a great plane with an American heart (engine).These grand announcements are very good for publicity, but if the Chinese attack us, we will again be reduced to do what Nehru did in 1962 - beg the USA to help defend us. The whole thing is pretty disgusting.
Annoying to see both Shekar Gupta and Snehesh use their phones during the interview. If they claim their talking points are on the device, they should do something else. It’s disrespectful to each other and oddly disrespectful to the viewers.
Y'all have neglected to mention the first n original Stealth fighter n precursor of all 5th generation combat aircraft the F 117 Nighthawk. Inducted into the USAF way back in 1983 n retired by 2008/10. Also,the B2 bomber soon to be upgraded by the B21.
If you are splitting hairs then ok. Let's say first Stealth combat aircraft in regular use n by that position must be included in any discussion of this topic. Anyways in the modern era, convention has it that all combat aircraft have a dual or even multirole capability, including the 5th generation ones covered in the article n thus the classic nomenclature of separation viz fighter, bomber, interceptor etc is no more relevant.
Scale foen version is also not easy to produce. SG please understand that even something in scale having exactly same geometry with 10% reduction in the dimensions will not fly.
J31 is a 5th gen fighter, the US and west recognise it as a 5th gen fighter only indians will say otherwise also pak will get Kaan fighter too PAF will operating 2 5th gen platforms
It should be Privatized so that it doesn't Take 40 or even 20 years for it to be Fully Opertationalized, Although HAL has Been Performing Incredibly Well Ubder Modi Govt especially since 2018 listing on Exchange,But Many Still don't Trust any PSU and RIGHTLY SO
Mr Gupta,You showed Nomura's Prediction of 5.5% growth for India in 2023,Whereas As India's Growth Rate for 2023-24 is again about to Beat all expections by nearing 8% at a Time of Global Uncertainty,where India's Predictions were also very low,But India beat them All
Tiger shark is now parked in the Dayton Ohio airforce museum with original US livery black and red. They have the real cockpit and one can climb in it. I have the photos. Will share with The Print
Shekarji, Iet me please share a reality from engineering circles; "Technology Transfer is a myth!". It is a just a glorified way to import and assemble the black boxes but we still don't have any idea to recreate or repair the technology. For instance, we have TOT of Su-30 aircraft, we still have to import its components and repair them abroad!
China had a Transfer of Technology with their su-27 aircrafts, over the years they replaced Russian parts with domestic Chinese versions. Now their version is superior to what the Russian's make.
The reality is that the best China has come up is advanced 4th generation fighter. Tejas are 3.5 generation fighters. The good thing is that India is trying, but it should not be done at the cost of Indian defence.
Why is Astra not pitched in ? Atleast in discussions ? Is it not comparable to meteor ? Both are bvrm right? Edit: my comment was impulsive. Now as I watch further I'm happy it's mentioned 😊
The IAF is actually late in the 5th gen race with even Turkey and South Korea developing them at a faster rate. Hopefully things go as planned and new engine can be reached. PM should take as matter of National Security like ISRO and ballistic missile development of DRDO otherwise deadlines will be missed.
Goood questions Mr Shekar as usual . Pls do some more on forces readiness . Ie is super Sukhoi good enough , what’s happening in arms artillery buildup etc
Pakistani air chief is telling quality is better than number. So let's talk about quality:- 1) India is having Rafael multirole aircraft which is the best n top of the line in the whole region. 2) India is having Apache helicopter which is the best attack helicopter in the whole region. 3) India is having C-17 Globemaster and C-130 super Hercules which are the best in the whole world. 4) India is again having Chinook helicopter which is the best cargo carrying helicopter in the whole world. 5) India is having P-8I Poseidon which is best ASW aircraft in the world. 6) India is having MH-60 Romeo helicopter which is again the best ASW helicopter in the whole world. 7) India is having 260+ Su-30 MKIs of which 40+ are capable of carrying Brahmos. 8)I Air to Air - India is having Meteor, MICA ER, R-77 ER, Darby ER, Astra MK1 (+ MK2 + MK3) Rudram MK1 (+ MK2 + MK3.)
Only if you are looking at Pakistan, what you say is true. However, once you look at 2 front war then none of what you say is enough. If India were really smart then it would not buy Rafale. It is always better to buy F-16s/F-15s. Just look at Ukraine. If Ukraine had experience with F-16s then foreign countries would have donated their F-16s and Ukraine would be fighting efficiently right from day 1. On a two-front war, India will need help from the USA because the Indian economy will collapse in 1 week. France cannot do shit for India. It is a crappy economy and a cowardly country.
Yet IAF shot down its own helicopter in PAF's retaliatory strike on 27 Feb! Sweetheart, you are missing the most important factor here which is quality man power & that IAF can't buy despite having budget many times the size of the PAF!
J31 is now J35 after massive improvements. It has been change to on Chinese carriers. An export version of J35 may be dumbed down to Gen 4.5++ version instead of an actual Gen 5
@@SPEARHEADGLOBAL To my knowledge, J31 is an old prototype number before the major update. It is now officially called by PLAAF as J35 and will be similar to F35 as it will have a carrier version and a non-carrier version.
SEKHAR SIR & SNEHESH SIRS , INDIA NEEDS TO BE WORRIED ABOUT " J-10S " NOT ABOUT " J-20S " OR " J-31S " BECAUSE IF YOU MINUTELY SEE & COMPARE THE TWO DESIGNS OF " J-10S WITH J-20S " & " J-10S WITH J-31S " YOU WILL SEE IN J-10 THE SIZE OF THE TWO CANARDS IS VERY SMALL COMPAIRING TO J-20S & THE PITOT-STATIC TUBE IS ALMOST INVISIBLE ( THE LENGTH OF THE PITOT-STATIC-TUBE IS VERY SMALL ).
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According to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), 21% of the share of global VC investment in 2020 (most recent compilation) went into AI, an estimated $75 billion. The United States and China attracted more than 80% of that global total - Who says there’s no AI war going on? - followed by the EU at 4% (mostly Germany and France), and then the UK and Israel at 3% each.
From last 10 years i am reading this news that we are developing AMCA, we were lagging in terms of air power govt must include private player along with DRDO to speed up such projects
We need to have expert analysis from a experinced defence industry specialist rather than so call media reporters….also china has already current iteration of 200 5th generation fighters …by the time AMCA comes 10-15 years later they would be on next to next 5th gen or even 6th gen version with even more numbers of such fighters….
People are lumping together pace of progress under 60 years of the '85%' Congress culture and the new Bharateeya culture. The pace of project completion has quickened across the board in the last 10 years, more so in the last 5 years. New under-the-hood structural changes in defense RnD have been initiated as well, which will further boost tech development.
@@neogenesis_indica The advanced mathematics of much of engineering and science today is founded on Vedic mathematics - try modeling airplanes without using shoonya - all planes flying now are Vedic planes already. Blessings of ShriRama can only give this project a boost.
I sincerely think India should just buy 5th Gen fighter jets, and focus entirely on next-gen aircraft and weapon systems. We are already too late in the game, and by the time we finally build our 5th jet - the world will have moved on to 6th Gen jets... We need to break away from this perpetual catch-up game we are playing!
@@akshatbhardwaj2165 given past record of these govt. agencies... I would take their words with a big jar of salt 🙄. If it was private company driving things, then it'll be a different story.
The F-35's exported to overseas require US password (that constantly changes) every time they need to fly it otherwise it locks itself, with repairs and maintenance only allowed by Lockheed employees from the US. India will essentially be beholden to American interests and own it in name only.
If the product coming out of the AMCA Project is expected in the mid 2030s, the question I have is - given that the prevailing opinion of experts on this subject is that the manned aircraft are a thing of the past and that future is with pilotless aircraft with AI plus remote control, wouldn't it make sense if the focus was placed in developing technology in that direction. Most of this weaponry gets obsolete before it leaves the factory. I agree that it is not an easy decision.
Great unbiased analysis. I enjoyed listening to both of you. In the end you mentioned how IAF does not lag behind PAF in terms of missile range anymore. PAF has procured PL-15 missiles which have a longer range than meteor. The meteor is integrated only with Rafale’s which are 36 I believe? PAF has J-10C which carries PL-15 but it has also integrated PL-15 with JF-17 Block III. Obviously missile itself is nothing and needs to supported by avionics. JF 17 Block III has AESA radar and HUD which supports PL-15 use in combat effectively. The difference is that PAF bought foreign technology and adjusted it into indigenous equipment. IAF has a lot of catching up to do.
Actually, the F-35 can supercruise, but it is recommended that the pilot only use it for 3 minutes or less. The net result is that people say that the F-35 cannot super cruise for practical purposes. The reason is that F-35 radar absorbent coatings are baked into its skin, and if this option is used frequently, then there is deterioration of its stealth properties. Even the use of an afterburner is not allowed for more than 3 minutes. This does not limit the F-35 because traditional planes, when loaded with weapons, cannot even hit a top speed of 1 Mach. The F-35, loaded with weapons in the internal bay, will always be a faster plane than any 4th generation plane loaded with its weapons. Finally, the F-35 is not an air superiority fighter, so America will never use the F-35 as its tip of the spear.
It should be Privatized so that it doesn't Take 40 or even 20 years for ut to be Fully Opertationalized, Although HAL has Been Performing Incredibly Well Ubder Modi Govt especially since 2018 listing on Exchange,But Many Still don't Trust any PSU and RIGHTLY SO
Even as the Chinese nation faces increasing headwinds with respect to its economy, for which the growth target in the coming year has been set at 5%, China’s outlay on national defence is set to increase by more than 7%. This is the third consecutive year when China’s defence spending has increased by such a huge margin even as China’s actual military expenditure is much higher than the publicly stated figures. Last year, US Senator Dan Sullivan disclosed that Beijing’s spending on defence was close to $700 billion, which is around three time more than its official statistics. The rising defence expenditure is in line with President Xi Jinping’s ambition to build a world-class military by 2027, which is the centenary of the PLA. - Observer Research Foundation.
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Shekhar Ji is the Version of F16 by Pakistan is Better Syncronized than Any Indian Fighter Jets Except Rafale
Mr Gupta,You showed Nomura's Prediction of 5.5% growth for India in 2023,Whereas As India's Growth Rate for 2023-24 is again about to Beat all expections by nearing 8% at a Time of Global Uncertainty,where India's Predictions were also very low,But India beat them All
@@ranjitpal9937Indian Sukhois Are More Powerful than Paxtan F-16 Simply Becoz all Those Sukhois were Acquired in last 20 years and Equipped with New Digital Lethal Tech and Now The IAF has Ordered $ 8 Billion Dollar+ Upgrade for Sukhois to make it more Lethal ,Where as The paxtanis have acquired all those F-16 in 80s and 90s and Don't have any Advanced Digital Tech of 21st Century except for Half-dozen and they don't have any money to upgrade, That's why they are going for Cheaper Chinese Alternatives which have No history of Combat experience or any Acknowledgement by Experts that they are Good Outside of China or Paxtan and only utterly Poor and Failed countries are buying Becoz of Financial Burden and they can't even Afford Russian jets and Anyways I'm happy that India is Either buying highly Advanced Western Tech with ToT and Making In India itself
Mr Gupta,You showed Nomura's Prediction of 5.5% growth for India in 2023,Whereas As India's Growth Rate for 2023-24 is again about to Beat all expections by Crossing 7% at a Time of Global Uncertainty,where India's Predictions were also very low,But India beat them All
It should be Privatized so that it doesn't Take 40 or even 20 years for ut to be Fully Opertationalized, Although HAL has Been Performing Incredibly Well Ubder Modi Govt especially since 2018 listing on Exchange,But Many Still don't Trust any PSU and RIGHTLY SO
Both of these distinguished gentleman needs to let each other speak and not talk over the other.
Ok Binod 😆
Bro seriously why he have mentioned india arsenal first then to answer the question he was asked.
True
Distinguished gentleman? Who?
What is so distinguished about Snehesh Alex Phillip?
SG has a child like enthusiasm in this aircraft topic 😊
This aircraft is still at computer animation stage
Really want to see a prototype.
Not before 2027-28
For that you need money. It has only been cleared now. Money will follow within months hopefully.
@@AnilYadav-nt9mfmetal cutting has already started for it.
13:15 picture of f35 is displayed instead of f22
After external affairs minister S. Jaishankar said that India cannot pick a fight with China because the latter has a bigger economy, military veterans have accused the Narendra Modi government of having a “defeatist attitude” and “bowing down to a bully”.
@@mg.f.9023No reason for India 🇮🇳 to seek conflict with its much more powerful neighbor!
@@mg.f.9023lol wth he never said that 🤣🤣 but ya you are free to misinterpret it 😂😂
@@GrandDad_001He did and what he said is true.
@@habibicat9772 enjoy your delusions 😂👍
20:07 editor smartly put both the logos as eagles glaring each other
Can you guys stop talking over each other please ? It is difficult to understand when that happens
Ok uncle 😕
@@ajaxjaiswal3442Ok Pappu😂
Our Air force lags behind PAF and that is a shame..we are still flying Migs and mirage and that shows our standard...we don't have indigenous good drone program like iran or turkey.. don't know what aatmanirbhr bharat is doing
We manufacture ANDHBHAKTS..
Lag behind paf? What u smokin dude😂.. and still its now way better than cong time.. atleast we r doing something now. And it will take another decade to catchup..
@@mg.f.9023so u want to manufacture terrorists like pak?
Tum log news nahi dekhte ho kya kitne sare drones is saal aye hai indigenous wo bhi.
@@HimanshuMahajan-zn3nq wtf man, in last 10 years we bought 36 rafales, do you think that is enough
🇮🇳 🇮🇳 🇮🇳 🇮🇳 🇮🇳 🇮🇳 🇮🇳 🇮🇳 🙏... Respect to India... from Thailand...
Even Turkey already has a 5th generation aircraft prototype already flying 😢. Also something we need to ask in the scenario of a protracted war how easily can someone replace a 5th generation fighter since they are so expensive and complicated.
Where's Turkey's fighter that may not be even a 5th gen fighter hardly 4 or 4.5gen
@@alok5065 You console yourself by saying this. Kaan is designed as a 5th Generation aircraft and will acquire 6th Generation features in future blocks. Türkiye is already working on the 6th Generation concept. Kızılelma and Anka 3 will accompany Kaan as his loyal wingman.
Without indegenous jet engine...we are totally dependable on other...
Sadly no but we haven't given up developing indigenous kaveri engine.
Just because India develops and engine does not mean much. Russia has been developing engines, but no major commercial airlines will use Russian engine. Engine reliability and engine lifespan of American engines are best in the world. The next best is European.
@ppen valid point
@@ppen8359 Actually the French are the best in the world in aeronautical engineering. The Americans would be second-best.
@@warnpassion Nope. America is the best. American engines last 12000 flight hours. European engines can last 8000 flight hours. In engine lifespans, power, etc. America is way ahead of Europe. In fact, America sells planes to Europe.
5th generation aircrafts were developed in early 2000s. We are so far behind. By the time we develop 5th gen the world would have moved on to 6th gen. We need to infuse a lot of money and research resources to leapfrog to 6th gen. Of course I understand we cannot go to 6th gen without having experience with 5th gen but we need to be thinking ahead. I hope they are, I can't be the only one thinking this way
I dont thing we can ''leapfrog'' into anything cutting edge.
One has to crawl before they can walk!
Lol which world are you talking about?? There are 195 countries and most of them don't even have a 4th gen fighter aircraft 😂😂
We arent competing with the last 5, but with top 5. @@GrandDad_001
US has a pool of almost infinite pool of money , and most talented people , if they see any capable person , US will poach them . As for China , their spy network does the heavy lifting , by taking critical tech , which they don't have to develop on their own . India doesn't have both , so we take our time .
By the time 5th generation aircraft comes to fruition in Bharat, wars could have started & ended.
ndia getting ready for two front war with China and Pakistan
While
1. Pakistan readies Ground work for induction of J31.
2. Pak Turk 5th Gen KAAN project took its first flight.
3. Project Azm (Under development)
4. PF-X (Under development)
5. Inducting and upgrading JF17s
6. Retired all its 3rd gen fighters.
China:
1. Produced 210~250+ (as of 2023) 5th gen J20 stealth air superiority
2. About to induct J35 stealth air superiority
3. Produced 602+ J10 multi role
4. Produced 470+ J-11 air superiority
5. Produced 85+ J15 multi role
6. Produced 245+ J16 strike fighter
7. Testing H20 stealth bombers.
India:
1. Tejas Mk1 FAILED
2. Tejas Mk 1A FAILED
3. Tejas MK2 DELAYED till 2027
4. TEDBF DELAYED.
5. AMCA DELAYED till 2034
Fighter jets according to date of introduction.
Indian Air Force:
Mig21..... 1959....65 years old
Mig 29.... 1983....41 years old
Jaguar.... 1973.....51 years old
Mirage 2K. 1984..40 years old
Su30mki....2002...22 years old
Rafale........2001...23 years old
Tejas.........2015.....9 years old
Meanwhile in last 20 years the number of jet crashed by Indian air force are more than they have inducted into their fleet.
AMCA is a huge disappointment for everyone who's been watching this space, the Turkish and even the Koreans got their planes ready even after starting later and not to talk about china having already developed more than one 5th gen aircraft. Absolute disappointment 👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻
AMCA is not even developed and In case of Kaan Turkey has 89% inflation
🤡 .. turkey and korea got their plane ready🤡.
Turkey flew prototype without radar, ew suit..how can you call it 5th gen.. without all imp accessories which makes it 5th gen.. and about korean plane..its 4.5gen. Thanx to america
American company Lockheed Martin helped Korea develop the 4.5 gen aircraft. The Koreans then developed a 5th gen lookalike called KF-21 which will eventually through Korean R&D be developed into a 5th gen. The Turks because of NATO links get priviledged access to tech but it's their first fighter aircraft so it may not match the F-35 or even Chinese 5th gens as they have so much more investment in the area and expertise.
They run on American engines.
@@MrRichardlobo not an excuse, AMCA will also be running on foreign engine
The government needs to set a trend on fast track defense procurement stategy.
just like tejas....it will take about 40-50 years and 100 proto types
I've noticed that Shekhar is always keen on cricket & Defence!! Well done The Print..very well done Mr Gupta.❤
From past experiences I think IAF will ask for features of a stealth fighter with bomb load of a b-52 bomber coupled with speed of a mig-31 while having music system from Bose. Expect prototype to be ready by 2047
Heavy expections of import lobby
It is not only building deterrence but also building industry and infrastructure. India can keep its defence procurement active from its friends US and France and parallely build its own industry.
Great Discussion! 💯
So IAF doesn't like anything scaled down but would go for refurbished Mig-29s ?
Iaf and army really do not compromise a little
And thats a really problem
So what?... Of course every aircraft platform has issues...but Mig29 is still best high altitude multirole aircraft you can get for money.
His whole premise is based on the f20 tigershark episode but when you see other equipment with our forces those are indeed scaled down.
IAF does not decide anything. It is Indian government that takes the decisions for IAF.
@@surajraika9245do not compromise?
They brought Tejus, which they don't want to operate. Bcz of its capabilities.
Atleast theoretically PAF has again outranged us since 2023 with induction of J10CE with comes with PL 15 (200km claimed ranges Vs Rafale's Meteor (150 km). In next 4-5 years they will have J31 and then Turkish Kaan in next 10 yrs. India needs to have stop gap arrangement and technological superiority/edge (F 35 limited numbers) in next 5-7 until years as AMCA induction starts in 10-12 years.
Very true but India and Turkey will never get F 35's as they have S-400 from Russia, US congress will block any attempts to export to both countries.
Will probably fly in 2045 for the first time! India will never abridge the gap with CHINA, USA, EUROPE, TURKEY, RUSSIA, UK, SWEDEN, FRANCE.
Only they know what topic they are discussing.
We are really late here. We needed this yesterday. We should look at 6th Gen features and make this 5.5 atleast. Thank you for the discussion
You need the prerequisite tech to hop on to 6th gen or join other countries 6th gen program. Us won't invite us and we have seen what happened with the 5th gen co-dev project with Russia. So we started from 4th gen lca tejas, now we will move towards 4.5th gen lca tejas mk 2, to 4.5th or 5th gen amca to 5th gen AMCA mk 2.
Better late than never
According to these so called journalists:
J31 is not that stealthy, Pakistan is buying a less stealthy Aircraft.
And then they say Tejus crash is a normal thing nothing to worry..
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There's a thing called GOOGLE , please do research 🤦
Picture shown is not of an F22!
Instead of snacks please distribute water in your session in Bengaluru😂😂😂
Good Q & A. Better to have more such programs than Cut the Clutter
India AMCA. fighter looks like China J35 and China J35willbe massive production now, and will be produced 800 units in next ten years.
J-31 or the Chinese Navy's J-35 is absolutely a 5th generation stealthy fighter.
Stealth shaping makes up 90% of stealth efficacy. The J-35 looks very similar to F-35.
So if you want to claim J-35 is not stealthy, then by default you are also claiming the F-35 is not stealthy.
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Excellent choice to have Snehesh here SG, excellent discussion too. Hope AMCA is on time for India !
Snehesh is dumber than shekhar!
Yeah that's a F35 at 13:19 not F22. Disappointing job graphics team!
AMCA is very interesting & needed. While stating the obvious you did not touch the point of CAN AN INDIAN PRIVATE FIRM MAKE A FIGHTER AIRCRAFT SOON? That will be a game changer. INDIA can be a big player if this happens. Of course, HAL needs competition.
Even SG sir realises the need for Modi to get stuff done through Indian bureaucracy.
Only 36 rafales in 10 years, is that enough
It’s not - that was SGs argument. He said under Modi govt for 10 years - bureaucratic red tape should have been eliminated and it wasn’t, which is a problem.
But the fact that SG said “in Modi’s rule - this is not acceptable” means he expects speed from Modi that he would not expect from any one else.
So odc ,the other guy was on mobile
What is update about MRFA?
After elections 😂 don't know which elections
Modi's obsession with this Atmnirbhar bullshit would cost us big time.. This moron just refuses to buy anything from abroad and deals take forever.. Even it is an emergency procurement to fullfil immediate capability gap.. Why can't we even buy atleast like 50 more Rafaels to atleast jump up our numbers is absolutely bonkers to me..
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But the design and prototype was already made and selected... what I am missing here? why again the same stage is being repeated?
I believe our economy will help boost our defense budget in the coming years' time (within 2 years' time). Our Economy will be 10+% from next year onwards for at least some foreseeable future. And hence it will be us and China and not Pakistan anymore in the triangulation...this from the fact our huge number of just the educated youngsters coming out of our colleges reconciled against the huge brain drain, poverty, and our incredibly low and bad educational system.
The f-22 picture is wrong
70% things they are talking about is wrong
Pakistan buys them from China or US. India try to make their own.
That why India fills gap by buying some like Rafael.
Haha.
Pakistan is also making 5th generation Aircraft.
It doesn't mean we wouldn't buy j31 and kaan.
In 1962 Brazilians visited HAL to learn how to build an areoplane. In 2024 Brazil is a powerhouse of commercial and other aircraft manufacturing, but HAL is still in the "talking" stage. HAL, the GOI funded money sink has yet to build anything worth its salt. TEJAS is a great plane with an American heart (engine).These grand announcements are very good for publicity, but if the Chinese attack us, we will again be reduced to do what Nehru did in 1962 - beg the USA to help defend us. The whole thing is pretty disgusting.
Hi very interesting discussion…can it be said that all 5th gen fighters are twin engine aircraft?
F-35🤷🏾♂️
prototype is easy, but producing in mass is extremely difficult, i think 2050 we will get 5 gen jet
Lol cope don't get salty this is new India
@@vegetaurs2498 writing new India doesn't mean shyt if you have nothing to show for it
Annoying to see both Shekar Gupta and Snehesh use their phones during the interview. If they claim their talking points are on the device, they should do something else. It’s disrespectful to each other and oddly disrespectful to the viewers.
13:20 it seems that the same aircraft has been flashed from two different angles, once as F22 and once as the F35. Far better is expected from CTC 😓
Y'all have neglected to mention the first n original Stealth fighter n precursor of all 5th generation combat aircraft the F 117 Nighthawk.
Inducted into the USAF way back in 1983 n retired by 2008/10. Also,the B2 bomber soon to be upgraded by the B21.
F117 was not a stealth fighter. It is a bomber.
If you are splitting hairs then ok. Let's say first Stealth combat aircraft in regular use n by that position must be included in any discussion of this
topic.
Anyways in the modern era, convention has it that all combat aircraft have a dual or even multirole capability, including the 5th generation ones covered in the article n thus the classic nomenclature of separation viz fighter, bomber, interceptor etc is no more relevant.
Great episode! 👍
Please share an incident of engine issue with J-10C of the IAF?
Do they have money to buy all those or its on loan...?
Why wont china just give them
Scale foen version is also not easy to produce. SG please understand that even something in scale having exactly same geometry with 10% reduction in the dimensions will not fly.
J31 is a 5th gen fighter, the US and west recognise it as a 5th gen fighter only indians will say otherwise also pak will get Kaan fighter too PAF will operating 2 5th gen platforms
Lol.
Yes 5th gen with 4th gen engine
If J31 is 5th gen then u don't need kaan.. Jst induct J31 in greater no. for better logistics 🥱🥱
@@HimanshuMahajan-zn3nq Stealth is not dependent on engine.
If Pakistani have even one Good Aircraft better than us Indians then we know which jugular our Feet should be focussed on !!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂
It should be Privatized so that it doesn't Take 40 or even 20 years for it to be Fully Opertationalized, Although HAL has Been Performing Incredibly Well Ubder Modi Govt especially since 2018 listing on Exchange,But Many Still don't Trust any PSU and RIGHTLY SO
Very informative . Thank you
Mr Gupta,You showed Nomura's Prediction of 5.5% growth for India in 2023,Whereas As India's Growth Rate for 2023-24 is again about to Beat all expections by nearing 8% at a Time of Global Uncertainty,where India's Predictions were also very low,But India beat them All
Electoral bond list is public now… please ctc on that
Thanks!
Why no CTC on Electoral Bond issue?
Not only we need fighter aircraft for airforce but also for our navy.
Some typography error . It is supposed to be
Astra ,not Asra
Tiger shark is now parked in the Dayton Ohio airforce museum with original US livery black and red. They have the real cockpit and one can climb in it. I have the photos. Will share with The Print
Shekarji, Iet me please share a reality from engineering circles; "Technology Transfer is a myth!". It is a just a glorified way to import and assemble the black boxes but we still don't have any idea to recreate or repair the technology. For instance, we have TOT of Su-30 aircraft, we still have to import its components and repair them abroad!
😂😂😂😂.
China had a Transfer of Technology with their su-27 aircrafts, over the years they replaced Russian parts with domestic Chinese versions. Now their version is superior to what the Russian's make.
No internal weapons bay in AMCA , it would compromise the radar cross section.
The reality is that the best China has come up is advanced 4th generation fighter. Tejas are 3.5 generation fighters.
The good thing is that India is trying, but it should not be done at the cost of Indian defence.
J-20 is 5th gen
According to China, 5th generation and still 50 years behind West in aircraft technology @@QuantumNinja1.9
J10C is the best 4.5 gen aircraft in the world, J20 is 5th gen while FC31 is another 5th gen that's still being worked on.
Its 'Astra' missile not Asra. When will the media learn to report responsibly?
Mistakes happen
Hi Shekar sir, I would like to attend the talk with Nikhil Kamath .. if that’s possible still as I am based out of Bangalore ..
SG, if you are really unbiased think in last year of UPA 2, Antony said i don't have money for any procurement....
AMCA looks so perfectly. It starts pilot fly?
Shekhar Ji I haven’t received that email
Kindly, please share the link
Thank you 🙏
Why is Astra not pitched in ? Atleast in discussions ? Is it not comparable to meteor ? Both are bvrm right?
Edit: my comment was impulsive. Now as I watch further I'm happy it's mentioned 😊
How much of air superiority 10 years from now be based on human piloted aircraft versus drones and other UAV
10 year neglect from 04 to 14 is not easy to overcome.
Excellent coverage, also Snehesh Philip is as cute as teddy bear. :)
The IAF is actually late in the 5th gen race with even Turkey and South Korea developing them at a faster rate. Hopefully things go as planned and new engine can be reached. PM should take as matter of National Security like ISRO and ballistic missile development of DRDO otherwise deadlines will be missed.
Goood questions Mr Shekar as usual . Pls do some more on forces readiness . Ie is super Sukhoi good enough , what’s happening in arms artillery buildup etc
Pakistani air chief is telling quality is better than number.
So let's talk about quality:-
1) India is having Rafael multirole aircraft which is the best n top of the line in the whole region.
2) India is having Apache helicopter which is the best attack helicopter in the whole region.
3) India is having C-17 Globemaster and C-130 super Hercules which are the best in the whole world.
4) India is again having Chinook helicopter which is the best cargo carrying helicopter in the whole world.
5) India is having P-8I Poseidon which is best ASW aircraft in the world.
6) India is having MH-60 Romeo helicopter which is again the best ASW helicopter in the whole world.
7) India is having 260+ Su-30 MKIs of which 40+ are capable of carrying Brahmos.
8)I Air to Air - India is having Meteor, MICA ER, R-77 ER, Darby ER,
Astra MK1 (+ MK2 + MK3) Rudram MK1 (+ MK2 + MK3.)
Pakistani defence establishment derives it lifeline and survival form this.
Only if you are looking at Pakistan, what you say is true. However, once you look at 2 front war then none of what you say is enough. If India were really smart then it would not buy Rafale. It is always better to buy F-16s/F-15s. Just look at Ukraine. If Ukraine had experience with F-16s then foreign countries would have donated their F-16s and Ukraine would be fighting efficiently right from day 1. On a two-front war, India will need help from the USA because the Indian economy will collapse in 1 week. France cannot do shit for India. It is a crappy economy and a cowardly country.
@@ppen8359 here I'm addressing only Pakistan. For China India needs 20 years to catch.... But deterrence is in place
@@ppen8359 Chinese economy will collapse as well in full spectrum war against India
Yet IAF shot down its own helicopter in PAF's retaliatory strike on 27 Feb! Sweetheart, you are missing the most important factor here which is quality man power & that IAF can't buy despite having budget many times the size of the PAF!
Shekhar ji, please use better mics if possible ❤
I haven't received mail for the Bangalore event. Please share a mail.
J31 is now J35 after massive improvements. It has been change to on Chinese carriers. An export version of J35 may be dumbed down to Gen 4.5++ version instead of an actual Gen 5
j35 rcs 0.01
J31 is more of a airforce version of j35
@@SPEARHEADGLOBAL To my knowledge, J31 is an old prototype number before the major update. It is now officially called by PLAAF as J35 and will be similar to F35 as it will have a carrier version and a non-carrier version.
SEKHAR SIR & SNEHESH SIRS , INDIA NEEDS TO BE WORRIED ABOUT " J-10S " NOT ABOUT " J-20S " OR " J-31S " BECAUSE IF YOU MINUTELY SEE & COMPARE THE TWO DESIGNS OF " J-10S WITH J-20S " & " J-10S WITH J-31S " YOU WILL SEE IN J-10 THE SIZE OF THE TWO CANARDS IS VERY SMALL COMPAIRING TO J-20S & THE PITOT-STATIC TUBE IS ALMOST INVISIBLE ( THE LENGTH OF THE PITOT-STATIC-TUBE IS VERY SMALL ).
Why do you worry more about j-10 than j-20
Watching 👀 from Your lovely 🥰 neighbour 🇵🇰 ! Both Gentlemen conveniently ignore the impact of KaaN 🇹🇷 Aircraft on Indian 🇮🇳 Airforce! Best of Luck & Lot of Kisses 😘 from 🇵🇰!
What impact 😂😂,
We should focus on next gen warfares . Laser systems, electronic warfare , Jamming system etc
According to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), 21% of the share of global VC investment in 2020 (most recent compilation) went into AI, an estimated $75 billion.
The United States and China attracted more than 80% of that global total - Who says there’s no AI war going on? - followed by the EU at 4% (mostly Germany and France), and then the UK and Israel at 3% each.
From last 10 years i am reading this news that we are developing AMCA, we were lagging in terms of air power govt must include private player along with DRDO to speed up such projects
Latest j 35 pic shows a different story the pic they showed was from early testing it has come a long way since than a truly 5 gen aircraft
We need to have expert analysis from a experinced defence industry specialist rather than so call media reporters….also china has already current iteration of 200 5th generation fighters …by the time AMCA comes 10-15 years later they would be on next to next 5th gen or even 6th gen version with even more numbers of such fighters….
Please correct the image shown for F-22
India signed deals with both GE and Safran last year for engines.. Can one elucidate on it? Which engine belongs to which aircraft?
GE FOR LCA mk1a and mk2 is confirmed.
Also starting amca will have ge engines.
Safran will work on the AMCA 5th gen project, while GE is slated for mk1 and/or mk2.
Interesting... Thanks
People are lumping together pace of progress under 60 years of the '85%' Congress culture and the new Bharateeya culture. The pace of project completion has quickened across the board in the last 10 years, more so in the last 5 years. New under-the-hood structural changes in defense RnD have been initiated as well, which will further boost tech development.
Just write Jai Shriram...or have Vedic planes
@@neogenesis_indica The advanced mathematics of much of engineering and science today is founded on Vedic mathematics - try modeling airplanes without using shoonya - all planes flying now are Vedic planes already. Blessings of ShriRama can only give this project a boost.
I sincerely think India should just buy 5th Gen fighter jets, and focus entirely on next-gen aircraft and weapon systems. We are already too late in the game, and by the time we finally build our 5th jet - the world will have moved on to 6th Gen jets... We need to break away from this perpetual catch-up game we are playing!
Your name😂😂😂
Anyway dont worry AMCA has been conceptualised in such a way that it has options for upgradability whuch is very rare in aircraft design.
@@akshatbhardwaj2165 given past record of these govt. agencies... I would take their words with a big jar of salt 🙄. If it was private company driving things, then it'll be a different story.
I am sure Indian think tanks have already thought about this,
Maybe DRDO and government know something that we don't 👀
The F-35's exported to overseas require US password (that constantly changes) every time they need to fly it otherwise it locks itself, with repairs and maintenance only allowed by Lockheed employees from the US. India will essentially be beholden to American interests and own it in name only.
If the product coming out of the AMCA Project is expected in the mid 2030s, the question I have is - given that the prevailing opinion of experts on this subject is that the manned aircraft are a thing of the past and that future is with pilotless aircraft with AI plus remote control, wouldn't it make sense if the focus was placed in developing technology in that direction. Most of this weaponry gets obsolete before it leaves the factory. I agree that it is not an easy decision.
6th gen is based on 5th gen.. without 5th how can you directly develop 6th
Great unbiased analysis. I enjoyed listening to both of you. In the end you mentioned how IAF does not lag behind PAF in terms of missile range anymore. PAF has procured PL-15 missiles which have a longer range than meteor. The meteor is integrated only with Rafale’s which are 36 I believe? PAF has J-10C which carries PL-15 but it has also integrated PL-15 with JF-17 Block III. Obviously missile itself is nothing and needs to supported by avionics. JF 17 Block III has AESA radar and HUD which supports PL-15 use in combat effectively. The difference is that PAF bought foreign technology and adjusted it into indigenous equipment. IAF has a lot of catching up to do.
Please share the email, i haven't received it
Bro. 5th gen aircraft are fully networked with other assets as well as space assets. Does f35 have supercruise? No!
Actually, the F-35 can supercruise, but it is recommended that the pilot only use it for 3 minutes or less. The net result is that people say that the F-35 cannot super cruise for practical purposes. The reason is that F-35 radar absorbent coatings are baked into its skin, and if this option is used frequently, then there is deterioration of its stealth properties. Even the use of an afterburner is not allowed for more than 3 minutes. This does not limit the F-35 because traditional planes, when loaded with weapons, cannot even hit a top speed of 1 Mach. The F-35, loaded with weapons in the internal bay, will always be a faster plane than any 4th generation plane loaded with its weapons. Finally, the F-35 is not an air superiority fighter, so America will never use the F-35 as its tip of the spear.
It should be Privatized so that it doesn't Take 40 or even 20 years for ut to be Fully Opertationalized, Although HAL has Been Performing Incredibly Well Ubder Modi Govt especially since 2018 listing on Exchange,But Many Still don't Trust any PSU and RIGHTLY SO
Even as the Chinese nation faces increasing headwinds with respect to its economy, for which the growth target in the coming year has been set at 5%, China’s outlay on national defence is set to increase by more than 7%.
This is the third consecutive year when China’s defence spending has increased by such a huge margin even as China’s actual military expenditure is much higher than the publicly stated figures. Last year, US Senator Dan Sullivan disclosed that Beijing’s spending on defence was close to $700 billion, which is around three time more than its official statistics. The rising defence expenditure is in line with President Xi Jinping’s ambition to build a world-class military by 2027, which is the centenary of the PLA.
- Observer Research Foundation.
700B is far fetched
The air force is lackadaisical. An airbase like jaisalmer without planes. Pakistanis outguns india. What are these air force chaps doing.
Only if wars were fought in computer simulation stages 😂😂