Two-Car Solution... with a TWIST! Ariel Atom 4R & Civic Type R | Henry Catchpole - The Driver's Seat
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- Visit us at www.hagerty.com. --- An Ariel Atom 4R and…? The fantasy garage game is a good one. Especially when you start putting in some rules. The most basic restriction is to limit the number of cars that you can choose, but after that you can start getting creative. In today’s episode of The Driver’s Seat on Hagerty, Henry Catchpole ponders a two car garage where the cars must share an engine…
There are all sorts of possible engine options from Mercedes and BMW and Ferrari and Jaguar Land Rover, but the one that Catchpole has chosen is from Honda. The 2-litre, four-cylinder turbocharged K20C isn’t the most exciting engine when set against some of the other options like a naturally aspirated Ferrari V12 or a twin-turbo V8 from AMG, but it is attached to two very different but brilliant drivers’ cars.
The obvious one is the Honda Civic Type R FL5. Now a little more demure in the looks department but no less fun or tactile to drive. The other half of the garage is taken up with the wild new Ariel Atom 4R. The R takes the engine’s outputs up to 400bhp and 369lb ft of torque. It also adds a Quaife sequential gearbox with paddle shift and, if you want, quite a bit of aero.
What hasn’t changed, however, is the fundamentally brilliant chassis of the standard Atom 4, which makes it absolutely brilliant to drive - even when you’re on a soaking wet Anglesey circuit. This R also offers a seven stage traction control system and a twelve stage Bosch ABS system as options to help you out, while you can up the ante even more by adding carbon wheels and carbon ceramic brakes.
A very diverse duo then, but with an engine in common and driving enjoyment at their respective cores. Quite the two car garage. We hope you enjoy this episode as much as Henry clearly enjoyed getting soaking wet and cold (he’s an oddball, we didn’t make him do that). If you would like to support the show then please think about clinking on this link to the Hagerty Drivers Club - it would be much appreciated: bit.ly/Join-HDC-Henry
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Something about no such thing as bad weather just inappropriate clothing… Anyway, I’ve just about dried out now. Hope you all enjoy the film. Happy New Year!
It’s not Newtons Meter and it’s not pounds foot. Please say pound feet.
Driving Atoms are very refreshing... my face is always thoroughly exfoliated after each outing! In the rain, the water hitting your face actually hurts, haha
I love the "two cars, one engine" question. Out of curiosity, if the restriction was the 4G63 engine, which two cars would you pick?
@@WilliamDye-willdye Interesting one… probably an Evo IX MR FQ-360 and then perhaps an L200 for the biggest contrast (and slinging a MTB or two in the back of).
What about the rover v8 that was in every car for 30 years surely there's got to be a good selection of cars to choose from with that motor
??.. Great video as always Henry and team
the perfect 2-car solution with the same engine is an e31 850csi and the mclaren f1
I was going to go for the practicality of a Lexus rx350 and a lotus Evora.
But if I’m in the land of make believe, I may as well imagine I can pay for a chauffeur who has a more practical 3rd option.
@@sockself 3rd car would just be an S class for me to be driven around in
Tempting but how about the Pagani Huayra and 2013 Mercedes AMG S 65.
Not the same engine
My choice would be Noble M600 and Volvo XC90
That’s a good pick! Wouldn’t have thought of that…
Strong choice
Great shout but I think you are missing the point .. this is an add for Ariel and Honda
The BMW E39 M5 for Business and Daily Drive and the BMW Z8 for the weekend, for my soul and for my balance. Same Engine.
Nice, BMW has many good combinations. Supra and X5 or X7 with N58, OG M2 and x35i X5 ...
A Pagani Zonda and a restomod W140 S600 combo will not be bad at all
didn't pagani get the 7.3L engine from mercedes, where they did a very rare run of SL73?
Nice!
My answer to that Two-Car Garage but same engine question would be the Cupra Formentor VZ5 (or Audi RS3/RSQ3, considering they're pretty much the same cars) and the KTM X-Bow GT-XR. I do simply adore 5 cylinders!
Good choice !
I said vantage and gt63 but the KTM and rs3 is a fantastic duo!
There's also Donkervoort GTO that shares this engine
Thank you for another fun video! Personally I'd pick two cars with the Toyota 2GR-FE V6 engine. A Toyota Highlander - and a Lotus Emira.
That would be it
Funny, my two cars are a big turbo Mk5 GTI and an ND Miata, but the fiancée has a 2021 Highlander with the V6. I agree!
An Evora GT would also be awesome.
I’d go with Toyota and Lotus as well, but a Lotus Elise with the 2ZZ-GE and the Toyota Matrix XRS.
Lotus Emira and Toyota Crown
Having driven both, I completely agree. There might not exist a better duo if you need a blend of thrills and practicality. Just swap out the FL5's adaptive damper module with the one in the DE5 for far better compliance on the street.
Personally I'd pick the FK8 instead of the FL5 (or maybe even a Megane RS Trophy Mk3). The latter is surprisingly cheap to buy, around 20k or a bit more for low mileage.
Hey Zygrene, does it make that much of a difference? I love my FL5, but I haven’t really had any gripes with the suspension aside from +R being a bit bouncy on some roads. Wouldn’t the Acura one make it worse?
seems a bit repetitive to have the same engine everywhere.
FL5 is the perfect one car garage. However for comfort and road trips, it is still a civic with a manual, sitting in traffic and going over potholes, and the noise level on the highway is not enjoyable.
@@nitrostackr what I felt from driving the FL5 and DE5 on the same bumpy canyon road is that the FL5's suspension, in Comfort mode, will still adjust damping on the fly to be more aggressive when you start driving hard. It becomes way too bouncy and over-damped even compared to the DE5 in Sport+. DE5 seems to keep damping consistent within the mode you select.
@@Zygrene got it, that makes sense. It’s more passive and not just softer, so it stays more consistent across more situations. Do I have that right?
This is, without exaggeration, my favorite Ariel Atom video since old Top Gear. And that's a high bar to reach, because the old Atom video was the TH-cam clip which convinced me to watch the full series.
A brilliant video, about a brilliant hypothetical question. Very well done.
Ariel atom reminds me of the Top Gear video with Jeremy Clarkson wearing black glasses and his face just flapping around due to wind😂😂😂
Dream car garage with same engine you say
Well here’s mine
1. Porsche 718 Cayman GT4 RS with weissach package
2. Porsche 911 992 GT3 Touring manual
Well, nothing practical with this choice!
Not a good combo for a two car garage. Can't even have kids with that combo.
BMW 750il and McLaren F1. You can fit 5 in one and it has a big trunk, and the other one is worth $25,000,000.😂
I was thinking the same.
I woud take the IS350 with the 2GR and the Lotus Emira with the same 2GR. Or heck, plenty of toyota/lotus history to play with there.
Toyota Mark X GRMN
Ah good call - it’d be a manual Tacoma for trails/daily/work and the Emira for track and weekend for me!
Type R ... Best car for the money ... Period.
lol FWD 🤮
For sure brother! They are incredible....
@@xRockeeLiterally everyone who’s actually driven one raves about them.
@@williambellisIII but it's still FWD which is fundamentally deeply flawed
@@kristoffer3000 In 99% of real-world situations, it’s not. We’re not professional drifters or racers here. How many times have you driven one?
Ahh a baby F1 car in the wild, midway through shedding it's bodypanels.
An F50 for the shopping, and Alesi's F1 car for everything else.
Had a stage 2 FK2 and loved it, wouldn’t mind both of those either.
OMG! Love the two cars. Never would have thought they looks so good together!
Owning an FK8, I'd expect that the K20C1 would be perfect for a car like the Atom, powerful, flexible, revvy. Driving it must be an absolute hoot.
I love Henry's reviews. Always on point. Excellent cinematics as well. Kudos to all involved!✌️❤️🙂🇨🇦
Many options!
I saw a good shout with e38 750iL and McLaren F1 which is the only correct choice cost no object, and a Lotus Emira + V6 toyota of choice (camry/highlander)
But personally I would probably pick a BMW 545e and a Mk5 Supra Manual for a total of under 200k😅
This is the correct answer, even better if you swap the Supra for a manual M2
458 speciale maserati quattroporte
@@kristoffer3000those do not share an engine
@@johnjuiceshipper4963 Close enough, no?
If not then just go for the Supra.
M1 and 635ci
Absolutely love the atom
I agree and I am sold!
Thanks for such solid content!
This is quite possibly the best two car garage.
Great video and a magnificent pair of cars! I’m the proud owner of a boost blue FL5 type R, and I completely agree with your assessment - from a driving experience perspective there are only two faults - the damping calibration could be a bit better on bumpy roads, and the lack of engine sound (blame the combo of GPF and turbo for that).
Luckily, both have easy fixes. For the dampers - get yourself the identical damper control unit from the Acura Integra type s. It’s the same hardware, but the software is calibrated a bit softer, so now +R mode is actually useable, and you get 3 modes to find a perfect match for the road you’re on. It also prevents the biggest damping issue with the fl5 - the over aggressive damping ramp up when you corner hard, even in comfort. With the ITS module it behaves much more linearly. It’s also a very cheap fix - I paid 200$ for it plus about 60$ for international shipping and duties.
For the sound - an exhaust is a must for this car. I haven’t made the switch yet, but I’m especially interested in the new borla exhaust offering. Check out their video on the fl5 - it sounds quite rorty like a proper type R should.
An atom to add to my garage beside the R would be a dream. Either that or a 420 Caterham. Something for the future.
love the music, the location, the camera quality, the narrator, his clothes, and most importantly; the cars
Mercedes S65 AMG and Pagani Huayra Roadster.
Volvo XC90 and Noble M600
Ford Crown Victoria and Koenigsegg CC8S
Maserati Ghibli Trofeo and Ferrari 488 Pista
Maserati Grecale Trofeo and Maserati MC20 Cielo
This is a fun concept 😅
Great video Henry! What a great track Anglesey, I was out there last August and watching this video I got the goosebumps again 🤩 shame it's 850km from home in Belgium
Love the Ariel atom, though I’ve only driven the old V8😎, it’s a road legal shifter-kart❤
Great video, I love the FL5, it's probably one of the best "do everything" car nowadays. Aston Martin DB12 and W213 E63S Wagon would be my perfect two-car solution with the same engine.
W140 and zonda is the best combo there is.
A good choice but don't think my dogs would agree, they wonder if maybe the Sultan of Brunei ever ordered a w460 g wagon with an m120 engine instead of the s class?
Might as well be one of the w140 wagons from brunei
Finally a new civic that doesn’t look ridiculous. Always had a thing for the Atom. What a car.
Yeah, dream car duo right there and if you quadruple it with a motorbike Honda CBR fire blade and Africa as well as the hondajet plane... Maybe a mower as well
Brilliant, Henry!
Great video! Also great FPV drone shots!
I wish you had your own Channel Henry…..we don’t see enough of your reporting excellence…the gift of driving ability and beautiful reporting. Cars…I’m old so it would be a Roma and a Porsche Cayenne GT Turbo for shopping…😱😃😃😃😃😎😎😎😎
This is my first Hagerty video with Henry in it. I really missed him and the content in Carfection. It's so good to see him in a quality video similar in style to those in Carfection. Don't know why it took TH-cam so long for a Henry Hagerty video to be recommended to me, but I'm so glad I've finally joined the party. Happy New Year!! 🥂
cause u-tub 🧦
Fantastic video. Got myself an FL5 and Exige Cup260 as the two-car solution.
great question - too many choices but the first that pops into my head are the CLK DTM AMG and the G55 AMG
Very cool, thanks.
Good choice, I would go with a 2023 F150 limited & a Ford GT myself, but you would certainly have as much fun in the Civic and Ariel.
Or go with a 2005 F-150 Lariat and Ford GT. They'll be slower but better sound FTW.
I agree , would love these two
oldboii edition: Renault laguna mk2 V6 and a Renault clio mk2 V6. Getting the kids from school in the week in a comfortabel French daily. Vicious snapback oversteer widowmaker in the weekend.
I would take Audi RS3 and a Donkervoort☝️ Same Engine too!
Have a 2009 Vette base couple and 2010 zr1 and a 2023 Honda Accord hybrid for me is the perfect combo and in southwest us gas cost and weather fits well 💖
Great video with a twist. Could you please do a video whereby you get a basic car like a i20N then double the price to an FL5 then something for circa £100k and tell us where is the sweet spot? A cost of living special video if you like 😜
Loving the aspect ratio!
I would say, a Lexus with the 3.5L engine and the Emira...
My 2 vehicle with 1 engine garage would be a Gen3 Hayabusa and a Radical with the same engine. For the extra spicy version add a Stage 2 RCC Turbo kit to both and make 400 whp.
How's that going to take a family to the airport?
@@user-wf2wi5wc2k You may have to ask for the odd favour from friends and loved ones. Sacrifices have to be made….😆
Henry first of all thanks for another brilliant video. I would like to bring in a odd ball combo. Ascari A10 & BMW M5
For my two car garage I’d be a Ford Raptor R in Antimatter blue, and a Gt500 same color.
great video, great combo! back in the day a MGB GT V8 and the Range Rover V8 would've been a nice combo
I’d have a Ferrari 812 gts and Purosangue, 2 naturally aspirated V12’s, coupe/convertible/SUV, rear wheel and 4 wheel drive, a lot of boxes ticked all while sounding absolutely glorious.
Nissan GTR and the Praga bohema👌
m340i and the supra both with the same engine the B58, one luxury and the other a fast basted just saying both are a match made in the haven and you can hope to own both of them and the running cost is perfect for such cars are. or you can get the Farrier f430 and the Maserati Quattroporte, get the 430 because you can get it Manuel, and to me it looks better I think a mid-engined car without the side vents looks weird if you have the money
Cool
Happy New Year
Two car garage with this engine would have to be the DE5 Integra and this Ariel Atom 4R. If I could choose any powertrain it would probably be the Cadillac Escalade V and the Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing. But back to reality, I am happy with my FK8 Type R and my old trusty 2006 Honda Ridgeline
I think these come with lightweight body/ shell and more windscreen which is how I would think I would like it .
I you have money and enjoy really enjoy driving it seems like you would HAVE TO HAVE one at that price as the ultimate go kart ( I mean that in the best possible way) you can legally drive on road as well as track.
If you live in a place where the Atom can be exploited on road I would think 1 hour drive would scratch itches for driving fun extremely well , particularly turned down actually . 400 hp in this on public roads would be nuts beyond pointing it straight which is not at all the point of it , but even for that purpose if your just somebody that enjoys feeling acceleration this will quench that very well . I've owned a motorcycle that was 2.9 to 60 and despite people being spoiled that feels incredibly fast on a bike and perhaps faster in an open car that low . Whatever anybody who hasn't owned fast things thinks about being in a fast car as far as sensation throw that away when your on a bike or something like this . The sensation of speed ON TOP of what is in fact very fast is remarkable and scratches the need for speed very easily . Particularly if there is STUFF to the sides of you . More open spaces is one thing but when there are houses and or natural things next to you the speed at which those things go past you of which you shouldn't be paying attention gives a perspective enhancement that feels like your about to make the jump to lightspeed and combined with sound and air it really is " ludicrous " sensation .
If speed is a drug things like this are the uncut stuff .
Certainly downsides as a hyper specialized instrument but driving an Atom for fun and then having a 4 door FWD car with 324 HP seems like you would be covered . The Honda will feel slow in comparison but I think you would be much less likely to get tickets or want to be stupid about public driving as all your ya ya"s will be sufficiently expunged by the atom to where you would still enjoy what fun is extractable from the R but similar to having had amazing sex with massive mind blowing O , your still gonna be interested but more clear minded and satisfied to use the R for actual transportation that also is fun and has precision .
I think in these terms because I am not a track driver but live where the entire world ( mountainous region ) is Twisties and you want a precise car regardless if your reason for driving is for entertainment or getting somewhere . You may chose a route for something mundane to avoid real roads and take the back roads to make your trip more enjoyable and I could imagine getting up early to drive the Atom as having an amusement park in your garage which is pretty dam cool .
Having both would satiate the majority of people's inclinations even if not a track driver IF you lived somewhere where it's at all " practical " and not too anti social to drive something like the Atom on road and satisfied to know you won't explore anywhere anything close to it's potential outside of straights , but also have more fun at however many 10ths of 10 you do push it with the open aspect ,low to ground and go kart ness where as a big supercar you wouldn't really be able to unless a maniac as well as. great driver. Turned down the Atom would be all you need and perhaps more to have a really good time driving a race car on road and in short time get your fill . In that way I would call the Atom highly efficient . I am guessing as I haven't driven one or anything approaching it but there are similarities to riding a superbike of which I do understand .
Very simple!! A couple corvettes!
I guess it depends on your definition of the "same" engine, as there are many different versions of the GM LS V8 engine, even at the same displacement. Considering how many kit cars are built around this engine platform, you would have literally hundreds of combinations of a two car garage. For example, I might go with the Silverado Dual-mode hybrid pickup as a daily driver and a Factory Five GTM supercar for a bit of fun on the weekends. Though a Toyota Tacoma and a Lotus could be good as well.
For a three "car" garage though, I think it would be hard to beat a four door RAM V10 truck, a Dodge Viper, and a Dodge Tomahawk motorcycle.
Choo, choo, choo, WOW!
As can be seen in the final shot, the Civic is surprisingly just as fast around a circuit as the Atom 4R. Impressive.
I want the Type-r so bad 😁
FWD????🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
@@damirbajic4579 what's wrong with a proper fwd?
@igor240898433 If you like driving; everything. If you just use car as transportation from a to b; nothing. So, wanting Civic is ok, wanting type-r is sacrilegious. If you are into cars; buy BMW, and no talk about quality because if Toyota thinks it is quality; that is all the proof you need (Supra is BMW Z4).
@@igor240898433 If FWD was any good the Ariel would be using it. :)
@@damirbajic4579 I love driving, and riding bikes also, and although I prefer RWD, I'm good with any type of drivetrain when properly set up. Saying that FWD is only for day to day transportation is confirmation that you don't have a fucking clue about driving.
I was going to comment while watching, my first thought would be the 812 & Purosangue, then Henry said it 😄.
I've only ever driven an Atom in the rain as well. I'm desperate to do it again properly, but in the dry!
Beautiful
Love it
Well I have half of this garage so I guess I need to start trying to source an Ariel Atom
Very nice,
I would go with BAC Mono and some Ford. Or maybe Alfa Giulia Racing Edition and Ferrari? Or "classic" Mercedes and Zonda? You are right... there is a lot of options.
Bro the Ariel Atom's rearwing looks like it came from a 2012 Lotus F1 car. Absolutely gorgeous
Nice video. Would have been good to get a lap time for each of them.
fun fact, having owned a FN2 with a metal gear knob, in the summer it blisters your palm, and in the winter, cures the blistering with frost bite
For a few other engine pairs, how about a Ford GT and an F150 Lightning, Dodge Viper and Dodge Ram, Oldsmobile Toronado and GM Motorhome, Any big block Corvette and a big block Chevy pickup, BMW M1 and first gen BMW M5, Any V8 TVR and Range Rover, for bikes: BMW S1000RR and BMW S1000XR, Ducati Panigale V4 and Ducati Multistrada V4, Ducati 916 and Cagiva Elefant, Honda Goldwing ad Honda Valkyrie, Honda Supercub 125 and Honda Trail125. This is fun!
Megane RS and Alpine A110.
I didn't they could improve a already great machine like the Atom❤❤❤
I’d love to take that Atom for a run!!
Love the 2GR engine
So there are tons of options like the
Lotus emyra and Lexus LC500H are my top 2 but there is more
Lotus Exige
Evora
Lexus IS350
Toyota Avalon
Camry
Rav4
Sienna
Wont be supriced if the lexus RX has one too
👏🏻, great film & a good combination of cars,,,,
but I think anything that houses that now nearly put out to pasture 5 litre, supercharged V8 jaguar engine is on to a winning combination. So how about the Jaguar XFR-S Sportbrake (practicality ✅) & the Jaguar F-Type Project 7 (looks & open to the elements ✅)?
Henry great as usual but kudos to the drone pilot 😮
Purosangue and novitec 812 N-largo 🙂
The perfect two-car garage: Porsche 911 Carrera 4 GTS & The Dakar.
My 2 Car Garage, both sharing the same engine would be the Lotus Emira and Lexus IS300 AWD both sharing the Toyota 3.5l V6
Focus & Caterham ; F-150 & Mustang ; RS4 & R8 ; Escalade & C8 Corvette ; Ineos Grenadier & "Toyota" Supra ; AM DBX & MB AMG GT ; Durango Hellcat & Challenger Hellcat Widebody ; Toyota Camry & Lotus Emira ; Nissan Titan & Super GT GTR racer ; Volvo XC90 & Nobel M12. Probably a few more.
Two car garage: NB2 Miata with Bilstein coil overs and flyin Miata turbo kit, and a e60 535xi. It’s old and fun.
BMW M3 Comp and X5 40i xDrive. They're essentially the same 3.0L x58 block.
Mustang Dark Horse and F-150. 5.0L Coyote V8.
McLaren F1 and BMW 750il - V12
Mercedes S600 and Pagani Zonda C12S
Koenigsegg CC8S and whatever Ford that uses the Modular 4.6L, Crown Vic, Lincoln Continental, Mustang GT, F-150, Explorer, Mountaineer, Grand Marquis, I'm sure someone's blender used the Modular Ford 4.6.
While I'd take this 2-car garage, you have to mention the Audi RS3 and KTM X-BOW GT-XR make a compelling option too!
I want an Atom4 so bad. I had an Exocet for awhile, I can only imagine an Ariel. 😋
5:56 why is there three pedals if it has a sequential gearbox ?
Is it for launching the car like in rally cars ?
My ideal two-car garage would have a BAC Mono and a Ford Transit Connect to transport my new 125cc racing kart.
Does a sister engine duo count? I've got a 1ZZ bunky daily and 2ZZ track toy. Close enough?
Two cars with the same engine ?
I choose thoses two :
Zafira OPC (7 seater at 200km/h+ on the autobahn looks like fun and a bit of a sleeper too).
And a Speedster turbo (basically an elise with a 2L 200hp turbo engine)
30k for the speedster and 10k for the zafira, cheaper too (LHD MARKETS).
All you need now it's the money..
Audi R8 Plus daily, and Lamborghini Super Trofeo Evo 2 for the week end. 😎
Jaguar f type SVR and a Jaguar F Pace SVR would be my choice
thats a lot of time in the garage mate
@ISOLATICN1 rubbish, I ve owned 2 f types and 2 xf and they have been the most reliable cars I've owned.
Nice video, but how about Nm and other metric units?
I wish they offered both of those in awd options lol with a switch that could go rwd or awd
Easy - Renault Sport Megane IV & Alpine A110. The engine is nothing to write home about but they are both excellent drivers cars, with one much more so than the other, and the other much more practical.
S58 would probably be my engine choice for a 2 car garage. With a manual M2 and an auto x3m.
Something with the M177 AMG engine. An AMG GT-R and Aston Martin DBX-707 for example. V8 and reliability
Personally I’d swap out the fl5 type r for an older fd2 or dc5 type r but keep the atom and it would be perfect. Still both a k20 but one is nasp.