Apple ProRAW vs JPEG for EVERYDAY photos. Is ProRAW worth the trade off?!
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- In today’s video, I’ll be testing out a new feature of iOS 14.3 called Apple ProRAW. At this stage, Apple ProRAW is limited to the iPhone 12 Pro and 12 Pro MAX only.
Apple says ProRAW is a 12-bit file that uses the Linear DNG format to retain more information and dynamic range in the file, providing additional flexibility when editing exposure and white balance. Each file is approximately 25mb, which is around 10x that of the equivalent jpeg. So if storage on your phone is of concern, you might have to use this feature sparingly.
I will be using a tripod to take the photos, as I will also shoot the same image in the standard jpeg format, to be able to directly compare the jpeg vs ProRAW, and see if the benefits of raw are worth it.
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Raw files always need additional sharpening applied to them. That’s why the HEIC of the hair is sharper and more detailed because the phone did the sharpening for you (hence the noise).
The Apple ProRaw already come with sharpness applied to them. Even at 0 sharpening there is clearly sharpening applied to the files.
@@masononemine1702 yes unfortunately this question remained unanswered
@@swaggyeggs its just not a good way to handle RAW files. Google has been doing the same thing for years and they give far better control. Same story with noise reduction, the raw files (even at zero noise reduction in LR) come with heavy noise reduction applied to photos and especially to areas under shadows and somehow applies more noise reduction than the simple HEIC files which cause worser details. Shooting city scapes is fine enough, shoot anything with alot of trees, or people and it becomes problamatic.
I feel like it needs less sharpening. The organic look is better
he mised the focus, it was focused further back in proraw photo
excellent review. The first that shows the differences really when processing the files.
Thank you Josh, I'll probably use the Raw. I did think of this before purchasing the 12 Max. I did get the 256 version just for this purpose. The flexibly this give us is about time.
Thanks for testing out the new ProRAW feature. And it really makes a big difference, especially in difficult lighting situations.
That was very useful. I use some 3rd party apps for RAW but I’ve been hanging out for the Apple Raw. The standard HEIC shots are always way over processed. Storage is never a problem.....just transfer them to an external memory or computer. Much appreciated. Thanks.
Nice stuff! Good overview of the differences. I'm using a 12 Pro Max now, looking forward to the official release of 14.3 to try this out!
Apparently it should be out on Monday/Tuesday, let me know your thoughts once you update!
Excellent video, it was well explained, and the calm music was a great choice
Thanks Augusto, I appreciate you taking the time to leave a comment :)
Thank you for sharing the ProRaw files. usually reviewers dont do that and expect us to accept whatever we can see (or can't see) on video while it's really not ideal to judge photos on compressed video on youtube!
Thanks for watching, glad it was helpful!
Very nice review 👍!!! Thanks
Impressive for sure
i just hope apple giving us more control over noise reduction they are doing.
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Amazing comparsion! I am excited to upgrade from my 11 Pro to 12/13 Pro :D
Thanks for the review, if I do make a picture with AppleRaw - what is the best method to do the postprocessing? Can this also be done with the Apple Camera App or is it much better to use Lightroom or Adobe? When would you use still use Halide instead of AppleRaw and why? Thanks
Thank you for the video.
Great video, keep up the hard work
I appreciate the noise reduction in proRAW especially for low light photography!!
Excellent review
Yes, I use ProRaw exclusively since I installed 14.3 beta 3. The plus in dynamic range is impressive for a phone. Specially night mode photos are almost as clean as out of my system camera. However once edited in Lightroom, I delete the original Raw files from the phone, otherwise it would be full quickly.
Thanks Josh. Excellent comparison of the enhanced capabilities of ProRAW. They are large files and will eat up limited iPhone/iCloud storage space quickly. Possibly best alternative is to use Lightroom on iPhone and let Adobe store the originals in the Cloud and then let LR manage storage on the iPhone. Thus. shooting in ProRAW should not use more iPhone storage than HEIF/JPG
Well made comparison! So what stood out is aggressive NR and reduced sharpening for Apple pro raw images.
Raw images typically require additional sharpening unlike jpegs which are sharpened by the phone already.
I only see the RAW when I shoot RAW? How do I get both the HEIC and RAW both? Thank you!!
How does the prints stack up?? Are there any noticable differences???
Awesome video! Are those pics taken with the Max?
That over sharpening with the jpeg file is so annoying. The "raw" file is so much better.
Hey Douglas, these shots were taken with the 12 Pro MAX. I agree, the over sharpening can be a bit much on the jpegs at times, so it's nice to have creative control of it in the ProRAW files
I like pro raw, but I am not a fan of the massive noise reduction made by the software. I wish to have more control over it, but I understand why apple did that
you could use lightrooms dng file which doesn’t do as much noise reduction i assume
What’s the app you were using with the pics?
Can you use the pro raw format for shooting a video?
Good video, appreciate the information and learned some new things. I had to work at it, though. The "music" playing throughout the video is distracting and annoying. I recommend adjusting the sound level way down or, even better, eliminating the music completely. This is not a voiceless mood-setting video; it is supposed to be instructional. Why distract from the instruction?
is there a raw-like format for video?
I love your wording
What version of Lightroom are you using the UI is different on mine I like how big and clean the sliders are
This is using Adobe Camera Raw inside of Adobe Bridge
Josh Stunell adobe bridge thank you so much!!! Great video 🙏
I will be shooting raw for sure. I have to edit basically every shot I take for my preference on XR and 12 Pro
I find surprisingly few infos online about what photo edit programs actually support ProRAW or will support it in the forseeable future.
Does anyone know about Luminar 4 (Skylum)? Has there be any announcement regarding ProRAW?
whats that software on the right hand side where you can adjust the photo, do i need a computer to do that or can i run it in my iphone 12 pro max
I think it is ACR editor in Adobe Bridge, or Adobe Lightroom, you need a computer for the former, the latter has an iphone app version.
what tripod do you use
Nice video I’m your 444th subscriber
Thanks David, I appreciate the sub! Keep up the great work on your channel!
What it’s “better” jpeg or heic? I heard the heic it’s because the 16 bits color instead of the 8 of the jpeg .
HEIC is a better format, but fewer apps support it.
A lot of android users can’t view my pictues, can’t even upload to my work computer with HEIC
Pity about that noise reduction. Makes the image cleaner but reduces details. I’d like to compare a low ISO longer exposure Raw file vs pro raw . At least with my current phone I have to use a tripod to get the best shot even indoors due to a smaller sensor
I use applera only when I plan to work on the shot for making something out of the picture. I never shoot appleRaw without planing to use its benefits. That's how it was intended to be used, as Appleraw toggle goes back to of by default when camera app is reopened.
You can choose to be active the whole time. Learn your phone.
two questions:
When I transfer raw photo via airdrop to my iMac I got jpegs, how to get the dng? (transfer set to high efficiency)
When I shot a photo in raw, is there a way to convert it to an heic (normal pic) just with the iPhone inside the camera roll?
maybe try it with lightroom
cool vlog
The heavy smoothing, even of details, in the proraw, still shows that tiny optics cannot overcome the physics of their construction, when compared to larger real-camera optics... so, phone-fans - still not even close to outperforming dedicated cameras...
Imagine if they added the neural network and image signal processor tech to actual mirrorless cameras like Sony Nikon Canon. I mean the canon R5 shoots clean up to about 16k iso with 45 mp, Sony creating a 50mp 30fps(electronic shutter) camera but this iPhone is pretty impressive for phone photography but won’t replace my 5Ds.
A better comparison would be raw and ProRaw, too bad that'll be inaccurate as you'd need two different devices. Is there raw capture available on 3rd party camera apps(I don't know this one)? If there is, then I'd watch that comparison.
Hi Nayr7928, I’m working on a video showing the differences in raw and ProRaw. Apps such as Halide and Lightroom have been able to capture raw images on iPhones for a couple of years now!
@@iamjoshstunell Nice! I'll be waiting for that.
What app are you using to edit it? im on windows btw
I use Adobe Lightroom and Photoshop
My take on Apple Pro Raw and jpeg is there not a lot of difference. I looked in the nooks and crannies and while little detail found not enough to make any real difference 🤷♂️ JMO
I have 180GB left so Pro Raw all day!!
2/3 mb vs 24/26mb
Different is huge in file size but quality wise note much although it’s good to have this
For me I think It's preety good trade off.. Because I really love to take a Night shots and im often struglling with Adobe Light Room to reduce all noice in My photos... So yea It's preety cool feature Apple maded 👍👌
Totally agree!
Usually night shots you wanna use a low iso setting as possible that's why you have all the noise.
What did you use to edit the pictures?? What app?
Hi Justin, in this video I am using Adobe Bridge, and then I open the files in Adobe Camera Raw
Can you shoot ProRaw plus JPEG, or do you have to pick one?
I think when you anable proRAW it Switches from JPEG to HEIC file
Thank you for the video. Which program do you use for additing in this video ?
Hi Kristina, I edited this video in Adobe Premiere Pro
@@iamjoshstunell Hi, thank you! I really like that you help learning photography skills.
I am planning on buying the 12 pro max 256gb and I seldom do any after work to tweak the picture (but might do in the future) so my question is.... if I want the absolute perfect and best quality without any tweaking... should I set it to Proraw before I snap pictures? And do I do that every time? I mean does the software go back to jpg after having snapped once with raw?
Is it easy to switch in between the settings from the camera app?
Also , just comparing jpg with jpg between the 11 pro max and 12 pro max, are the pictures better now?
You can set it to stay on ProRAW (Settings > Camera > Preserve Settings > ProRAW). It’s easy to switch: there’s an always-present button up top that’s crossed if it’s off. (I have it on dev beta.)
@@docayomide6617 Thanks for the reply, I didn't realise it had a 'Preserve Settings' toggle, just switched it on for myself now, thanks!
@@iamjoshstunell You welcome man, enjoy!
The jpeg sharpening looks horrible. Wish there were some way to control that
I’d like to see less noise reduction in a “Pro” file
Thanks for the video but these are poor examples because none of the photos you highlighted in this video were shot with the main camera, which has the largest sensor and is by far the best camera of the 3. I downloaded the samples and only 3 were shot with the main, wide camera. Why wouldn't you show the photos taken with the main camera?
Hey Michael, thanks for your comment. I selected these photos as I thought the first was a good display for altering white balance in raw vs jpeg. The second was about the details in the image. Unsure why the hair looked the way it did for me in ACR, but interesting to see you got a better result in LR, so I'll check that out, and the 3rd was to show the latitude/dynamic range in a ProRAW file. I didn't take into account each specific camera that I used, as this example was more so ProRAW specific, not necessarily about the camera. I can get some further test shots to look at the difference in the cameras with respect to ProRAW also.
@@iamjoshstunell Thanks. Also, have you tried opening the DNG files in the native Photos app to edit? They look awful. Like the WB is way off and its adding computational effects to it. Open your shot of the woman in the Photos app and then open it in LR and look at the difference in the starting points. Ive seen this from other peoples ProRAW shots too. Hopefully Apple fixes this before its public release.
@@michaelbell75 Wow, I just had a look through the Photos app on the Mac you're right, and it's bloody awful lol. I wonder if thats more to do with the Photos app too?
@@michaelbell75 im not sure I understand, but the dng files shot from Apple raw looks awful when you open them in LR? The reason I ask is because I'm editing in LR and considering getting the 14.3 beta 😅😊
Great video. ProRAW looks really fun, albeit a bit annoying that you can't remove some of the processing done, being unable to remove the Noise Reduction in RAW kinda defeats the purpose for me, but still a good video.
Wow, I knew ProRaw would be BIG the moment they announced it. And it has only been around for a few months... I am sure improvements can come down the line!
Absolutely! This is still In Beta as well, and I think editing apps will need to be updated to take full advantage of it too, for perhaps even better results!
You dont lose data in raw file. It is just because the jpeg has so much sharpening that it makes it look more detailed but no it is not. Raw is better for more natural sharpness.
So basically the advantages of proraw are better color accuracy and dynamic range, better noise reduction- but the main disadvantage is less detailed image. Am i right?
All the detail is still there, but as an editor you just get more control over what you want to bring out through your edit, often by controlling sharpening and noise reduction.
@@iamjoshstunell You definitely have more latitude if you want do some postprocessing, with the RAW file, but I would not agree you have all the details there. I'd say the noise reduction in ProRaw is way too aggressive to the point it looks worse than the jpeg, which should be on the contrary. And this NR cannot be turned off. Perhaps still Adobe need to update the handling of this ProRaw format, so until this moment we cannot say how good it could be.
@@gbdr_ps_fan8656 That's true, I guess we should also keep in mind that these images were shot using beta iOS as well, in which Apple may tweak the settings prior to final release.
All the photos in this video were either taken with the ultra wide or the telephoto camera, none with the main camera which is by far the best. So take the whole less details thing with a grain of salt. I edited them in LR and got better results. No blurry hair as he got here. Not sure what that was all about.
@@gbdr_ps_fan8656 Is there a noise reduction, or just a lack of sharpening in the ProRaw file? I hope the latter, which could be addressed post-processing.
Apple Marketing youtubers don't know anything about Gcam modded version on mid range phones.
Will iPhone 12 ever support proRAW in the future? Or will this feature be restricted to the pro and pro max users only?
At this stage Apple has limited ProRAW to the 12 Pro and 12 Pro Max only unfortunately.
no because pro raw is for pro phones
Is there a good raw editing app?
Adobe Lightroom mobile
Pixelmator Photo, it is a one time purchase, but is only available in the iPad
thanks!
Yes. As soon as it’s available, I will only shoot in RAW.
Apparently it should be out on Monday/Tuesday
@@iamjoshstunell nice!
I’ll stick to the jpegs for the better detail. Thank you for doing this comparison
I thought the PRO RAW had more detail 😂
But raw requires pat on Lightroom
It's evident JPGs are oversharpened
In some situations I like more HEIC than ProRaw
Aggressive noise reduction makes Raw look like plastic in certain areas. Dang.
I don’t think it was noise reduction. It was natural. The jpeg was too much noise.
I think the jpeg looks ordinary !
Great Review, however the music in the background is bad, it realy makes the video close to unwatchable for me. And it ditracts to much from waht you say.
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Great vid. Please, please no more background music - incredibly annoying! If you must, something far less percussive 🤪
Is that music?! It is the same few notes over and over and over. The rest of the video was well done and informative, but I couldn't tune-out that looping audio.
I would have loved to see the whole test, unfortunately that music was driving me crazy😢
HEIC is not a JPEG in ANY way
I’m envy to those who own the pro’s unit. 🥺 i am using just iPhone11. 🥺
Very annoying background music makes a mockery of the main subject
Sorry, you left me hardly any time to study the images.
Hate it when ask to put emails while downloading files. Better not to download 😌
The overuse of the word "ORDINARY" throughout this video is excruciating, otherwise great video.