As a bird player I approve this video. I checked out the engine lines for Nf3 after Qxc7 and they are absolutely wild. Instead of something like e3, Nf6 you play Nc3, Bg3+, hxg3 Qxg3 Ke2 Qf7+ Kd3! And the position is equal, absolutely hilarious. (Not knocking down on this video, but it’s not in every position where a side runs their king into the center in the middle game with an equal position.) also to make matters even better, the next move for black is Nc6 Nd2 b5!
I watched this video hoping for there to be some balance but it's another BS line that gets promoted. People learn what's bad then realise that white knows this crap and plays the best move, then Black is not better than equal
32:46 This position is typical of a Vienna featuring f4 (delayed Vienna Gambit) with an exchange on e5. Stockfish often desires the exchange on e5, but most players with the white pieces would rather push or be taken on f4. I play the Vienna as white, and this just looks so familiar. Maybe white’s dark-squared bishop won’t be developed yet or he’ll try to trade it off to castle, but this is basically the same.
Thanks William I have a strong opponent in my correspondence league who always plays Birds, I have always played Froms in response, next time I will try the Langheld. I’ll let you know how it goes.
Hmmmm - Birds is fine to play. Not sure why White should take on c7 in your analysis when he’s a pawn up. Also later 5.d4 and 6. e4 is good for White - see Tim Taylor’s book.
Good question! I like 2... d5 3. exd5 c6!? (the Nimzowitsch-Marshall Countergambit!) . Any fxe5 immediately loses to Qh4 and Qe4+, which can win the h1 rook. In a lot of lines, Black simply plays Bc5 (incredibly strong, piercing diagonal and just Nf6 and develops and enjoys having a safe king (unlike white).
1. f4 really isn’t that bad, if you know how to deal with these kinds of traps. An argument could be made for it actually being better if you know a lot of theory, rather than just playing some d4/e4 opening because everybody says it’s ”the best”.
In the past, every time someone played 1.f4 I couldn't resist playing the From, even though I'd come to the conclusion that it's probably the most overrated gambit out there. It seemed to make sense but white's two extra central pawns in the mainline just seemed to leave me high and dry every time. Your way of not shoving the g-pawn looks a lot better. I'm gonna try this.
I bounce from the 1600s to the 1700s regular rating. I played your Envy Gambit against a 1850s player in Game in 90 with increment 30. I won pretty easily and he is exclusively a London player. I will be looking at this one as well.
What about the countergambit 6. e4 in the line 1. f4 e5 2 fxe5 d6 3. exd6 Nf6 4. dxc7 Qxc7 5. Nf3 Bd6 6. e4. I guess you take the pawn with your knight but after white gets the bishop out. White is threatening nasty pins on the knight onto the king. What should I do?
Good question! I just now looked into this 6. e4 move, played 4.7% of the time in that position. It seems that, while this presents black with an appealing option as you touched on, we just need to avoid this temptation and go 6... Ng4, after which not much changes from the lines presented in the video. If white pushes 7. d4 (which now threatens to push e4-e5), black can simply capture Bxh2, and is much better, with the idea of Qg3+ and Nf2 to fork the queen and rook Hope this helps! :) -William
@@GambitMan Do you have any gambits to play against the kingsgambit? It's a very uncommon line, but incase they play 2. e5 we can transpose the position into a countergambit. Because of the king being so exposed, I believe that the position would make a great gambit video. B.T.W. William your channel is both entertaining and educational. Keep on the good gambit chad work!!
I like your enthusiasm but the froms gambit and the langheld gambit might work on players below 1000 or in bullet. Non of the mates are forced and are a result of blunders. Black has a hard time to equilize the lost material.
5.g3! is certainly enough White's best in the declined version, and after the premature 5...h5?! White should of course play 6.d4 which provides an escape square to the king (although 6.d3 also has some merits). This has been played in dozens of games, and the only way to overlook it is either on purpose, or if your analysis is basically a footwork. The ...h5 idea is certainly thematic, but black should first develop with something like ...Nc6, ...Bg4 and ...Qd7, having long castling handy, before pushing the h-pawn. Notice also that after 5.e3 Ng4 5.d4 Qe7 White's best is returning the pawn with 6.Nc3! (the exclam is from GM Mihai Marin) 6...Nxe3 7.Bxe3 Qxe3+ 8.Qe2 which he analyses as a slight advantage to white. I think that 5...0-0!? 6.Bd3 Re8 is a more dynamic way to recover the pawn (I have won two thematic correspondence games as white after 7.0-0, but both of them not because of the opening).
The langheld gambit works if white takes the blacks' c7 pawn. But what if white (after fxe-pawn and exd-pawn) simply ignores the c7 pawn?.. As commented by someone earlier, you never cover this in this video even though you claim otherwise.
This is just a worse version on From. Two major issues: 1. A sane person does not take on c7. 2. After ”normal From refutation” g3, Bg2 etc. black is just worse.
Hi, hope this addresses your inquiries: 1) both options (taking on c7 or not) are covered in the video; in general, I make these judgements based on the number of games played in the database 2) I’m not sure what line you are referring to exactly. If 1. f4 e5 2. fxe5 d6 3. exd6 Nf6 4. Nf3 Bxd6 5. g3 then this is directly covered in the video with some gorgeous checkmating patterns for black at around the 19:00 mark, it is not an advisable option for white at all. Hope this helps! :) -William
How about g3, h5 and now white plays the key move d4. Don’t get me wrong, I like your videos, especially I have been playing Von Popiel inspired by you. However, I have played From with both colours and this gambit is just fun for white. Black has a few one move tricks and once they are gone white is winning, unfortunately.
@@Pullapelle d4 in that position is a fair question. However, your last sentence is only true if black goes for cheap tricks like g5-g4, and is certainly not the case in the lines that I recommend in this video. After d4, black has the interesting move Ng4 after which white needs to find another rare only move in Qd3. However, instead of Ng4, black can also sacrifice another pawn with h4 and white must recapture gxh4 (Nxh4, just as common, loses immediately to Ng4! with white's kingside dark squares collapsing). In the worst case scenario, black can just play the simple Nc6-Bf5-Qd7 (or maybe throwing in Nb4 to target c2) and long castles with very solid compensation. With best play for white, clinging to their two extra pawns in spite of a very awkward pawn structure and pressure, they can hold a +0.5 advantage according to Stockfish 14 or a +0.35 advantage according to Lc0. I would prefer to be black every time in those positions, from any practical point of view. As you mentioned, and as I also point out in the video with the database, a lot of black players do indeed go for cheap tricks in the From's gambit, and almost any Bird's player knows how to avoid them. However, the innovations shown in this video for black do no such thing -- they set traps for white, but also retain excellent compensation and pressure even if white successfully navigates the minefield. Perhaps I should have shown this g3 and d4 line in the video, although it was already on the long side haha. But rest assured I always do a lot of research beforehand :) happy to hear that you enjoy them!!
@@Pullapelle White is not winning if ...h5 is delayed for awhile. There is an engine game from TCEC where black sacrifised a second pawn by ...h5-h4 AFTER developing with Nc6, Bg4 and Qd7 (provoking white to castle kingside), and I have duplicated this in a thematic correspondence game, up to a point (both games ended in a draw). I think that Black has adequate positional compensation, but I am also sure than it is very easy for a class player to screw Black's position beyond repair- subtle play is required, the typical run and shoot stuff will not work.
Your videos are just golden. The most underrated chess youtube channel out there!
Facts!
Thank you so much!!!! :) I really appreciate the support
Really fun video. There's always that one guy that plays the Bird. I'll be ready! Thanks William 💪
Really enjoy your videos William and the Morphy/Tal vibe!
As a bird player I approve this video. I checked out the engine lines for Nf3 after Qxc7 and they are absolutely wild. Instead of something like e3, Nf6 you play Nc3, Bg3+, hxg3 Qxg3 Ke2 Qf7+ Kd3! And the position is equal, absolutely hilarious. (Not knocking down on this video, but it’s not in every position where a side runs their king into the center in the middle game with an equal position.) also to make matters even better, the next move for black is Nc6 Nd2 b5!
I watched this video hoping for there to be some balance but it's another BS line that gets promoted. People learn what's bad then realise that white knows this crap and plays the best move, then Black is not better than equal
Very instructive video like usual
Wow, this looks absurdly crushing. Will have to incorporate some of these tactics into my repertoire. I love sacrificial attacking games.
32:46 This position is typical of a Vienna featuring f4 (delayed Vienna Gambit) with an exchange on e5. Stockfish often desires the exchange on e5, but most players with the white pieces would rather push or be taken on f4. I play the Vienna as white, and this just looks so familiar. Maybe white’s dark-squared bishop won’t be developed yet or he’ll try to trade it off to castle, but this is basically the same.
Underrated channel
Thanks William I have a strong opponent in my correspondence league who always plays Birds, I have always played Froms in response, next time I will try the Langheld. I’ll let you know how it goes.
So you died from it, right?
@@kno6ndg7 I’ve won a few drawn a few and lost a few gone back to normal From gambit now
Impressive!
Hi thank you sooooo much i just CRUSHED a friend who always played the Bird 😄😄😄 do you have any video on how to face the Dutch…Graif way
reminds me a lot of the litisyn(sp) gambit in nf3 f5 e4 fxe ng5
Hmmmm - Birds is fine to play. Not sure why White should take on c7 in your analysis when he’s a pawn up. Also later 5.d4 and 6. e4 is good for White - see Tim Taylor’s book.
what about e4 instead of e3... first time I play this and opponent goes for the line that's not even covered 😬
that’s just a free pawn that you can take with the knight
Awesome video. The bird really annoys me I cannot wait to try this out. What do you reconmend vs the kings gambit (for thise ones who transpose)?
Good question! I like 2... d5 3. exd5 c6!? (the Nimzowitsch-Marshall Countergambit!) . Any fxe5 immediately loses to Qh4 and Qe4+, which can win the h1 rook. In a lot of lines, Black simply plays Bc5 (incredibly strong, piercing diagonal and just Nf6 and develops and enjoys having a safe king (unlike white).
1. f4 really isn’t that bad, if you know how to deal with these kinds of traps. An argument could be made for it actually being better if you know a lot of theory, rather than just playing some d4/e4 opening because everybody says it’s ”the best”.
In the past, every time someone played 1.f4 I couldn't resist playing the From, even though I'd come to the conclusion that it's probably the most overrated gambit out there. It seemed to make sense but white's two extra central pawns in the mainline just seemed to leave me high and dry every time. Your way of not shoving the g-pawn looks a lot better. I'm gonna try this.
I bounce from the 1600s to the 1700s regular rating. I played your Envy Gambit against a 1850s player in Game in 90 with increment 30. I won pretty easily and he is exclusively a London player. I will be looking at this one as well.
Amazing
The Bird's Opening is basically a reversed Dutch with a tempo up.
What about the countergambit 6. e4 in the line 1. f4 e5 2 fxe5 d6 3. exd6 Nf6 4. dxc7 Qxc7 5. Nf3 Bd6 6. e4. I guess you take the pawn with your knight but after white gets the bishop out. White is threatening nasty pins on the knight onto the king. What should I do?
Good question! I just now looked into this 6. e4 move, played 4.7% of the time in that position. It seems that, while this presents black with an appealing option as you touched on, we just need to avoid this temptation and go 6... Ng4, after which not much changes from the lines presented in the video. If white pushes 7. d4 (which now threatens to push e4-e5), black can simply capture Bxh2, and is much better, with the idea of Qg3+ and Nf2 to fork the queen and rook
Hope this helps! :)
-William
@@GambitMan Thank you very much Gambitman!!
@@GambitMan Do you have any gambits to play against the kingsgambit? It's a very uncommon line, but incase they play 2. e5 we can transpose the position into a countergambit. Because of the king being so exposed, I believe that the position would make a great gambit video. B.T.W. William your channel is both entertaining and educational. Keep on the good gambit chad work!!
Fyi after dxc7 Stockfish seems to think its dead equal given enough resources
Interesting. The Bird is quite a winning opening if you aren't prepped.
I like your enthusiasm but the froms gambit and the langheld gambit might work on players below 1000 or in bullet. Non of the mates are forced and are a result of blunders. Black has a hard time to equilize the lost material.
5.g3! is certainly enough White's best in the declined version, and after the premature 5...h5?! White should of course play 6.d4 which provides an escape square to the king (although 6.d3 also has some merits).
This has been played in dozens of games, and the only way to overlook it is either on purpose, or if your analysis is basically a footwork. The ...h5 idea is certainly thematic, but black should first develop with something like ...Nc6, ...Bg4 and ...Qd7, having long castling handy, before pushing the h-pawn.
Notice also that after 5.e3 Ng4 5.d4 Qe7 White's best is returning the pawn with 6.Nc3! (the exclam is from GM Mihai Marin) 6...Nxe3 7.Bxe3 Qxe3+ 8.Qe2 which he analyses as a slight advantage to white. I think that 5...0-0!? 6.Bd3 Re8 is a more dynamic way to recover the pawn (I have won two thematic correspondence games as white after 7.0-0, but both of them not because of the opening).
yeah I was also confused that this video skips over that main line entirely.
Not my precious 1.f4
The langheld gambit works if white takes the blacks' c7 pawn. But what if white (after fxe-pawn and exd-pawn) simply ignores the c7 pawn?.. As commented by someone earlier, you never cover this in this video even though you claim otherwise.
Hi, yes actually the entire second half of the video is dedicated to that :) start watching at approx 18:10
This is just a worse version on From. Two major issues: 1. A sane person does not take on c7. 2. After ”normal From refutation” g3, Bg2 etc. black is just worse.
Hi, hope this addresses your inquiries:
1) both options (taking on c7 or not) are covered in the video; in general, I make these judgements based on the number of games played in the database
2) I’m not sure what line you are referring to exactly. If 1. f4 e5 2. fxe5 d6 3. exd6 Nf6 4. Nf3 Bxd6 5. g3 then this is directly covered in the video with some gorgeous checkmating patterns for black at around the 19:00 mark, it is not an advisable option for white at all.
Hope this helps! :)
-William
How about g3, h5 and now white plays the key move d4. Don’t get me wrong, I like your videos, especially I have been playing Von Popiel inspired by you. However, I have played From with both colours and this gambit is just fun for white. Black has a few one move tricks and once they are gone white is winning, unfortunately.
Additionally, Bg2 works e.g. against 5. Nc6
@@Pullapelle d4 in that position is a fair question. However, your last sentence is only true if black goes for cheap tricks like g5-g4, and is certainly not the case in the lines that I recommend in this video. After d4, black has the interesting move Ng4 after which white needs to find another rare only move in Qd3. However, instead of Ng4, black can also sacrifice another pawn with h4 and white must recapture gxh4 (Nxh4, just as common, loses immediately to Ng4! with white's kingside dark squares collapsing). In the worst case scenario, black can just play the simple Nc6-Bf5-Qd7 (or maybe throwing in Nb4 to target c2) and long castles with very solid compensation. With best play for white, clinging to their two extra pawns in spite of a very awkward pawn structure and pressure, they can hold a +0.5 advantage according to Stockfish 14 or a +0.35 advantage according to Lc0. I would prefer to be black every time in those positions, from any practical point of view.
As you mentioned, and as I also point out in the video with the database, a lot of black players do indeed go for cheap tricks in the From's gambit, and almost any Bird's player knows how to avoid them. However, the innovations shown in this video for black do no such thing -- they set traps for white, but also retain excellent compensation and pressure even if white successfully navigates the minefield. Perhaps I should have shown this g3 and d4 line in the video, although it was already on the long side haha. But rest assured I always do a lot of research beforehand :) happy to hear that you enjoy them!!
@@Pullapelle White is not winning if ...h5 is delayed for awhile. There is an engine game from TCEC where black sacrifised a second pawn by ...h5-h4 AFTER developing with Nc6, Bg4 and Qd7 (provoking white to castle kingside), and I have duplicated this in a thematic correspondence game, up to a point (both games ended in a draw). I think that Black has adequate positional compensation, but I am also sure than it is very easy for a class player to screw Black's position beyond repair- subtle play is required, the typical run and shoot stuff will not work.
thumbnail look a bit rosenyzed
Man.... you talk too fast man. can you speak slower man