Earendil was Oannes, whom married the daughter of Dior/Ausir (Osiris. the egyptians literally know him as Ausir as well - a bit lazy by Tolkien here), which was Elwing (Isis). Their sons were Elros and Elrond (Thoth & Odin) Elros became a hereditary priesthood of man,- which eventually became the dunedain/Messiah/Aragorn. Elrond became the undying allfather whom sporadically appeared before people to help his own narrative. His daughter-assistant Arwen (Gridr/Gerdr) married the northern heir of the ringbearer Isildur (Baldr),- which was Aragorn (Yngvie-Freyr/Sigurdr). There are a handful of narratives in norse myth that focus on the same story,- which is what Tolkien managed to stitch together into a coherent european mythos. Tolkien to this day is being done an embarrassing injustice by people who have neither read all the myths NOR have the linguistic insight to see why Tolkien is right in everything he does. His story seems greater than any man could ever write alone,- because that's exactly what it is. His study of mythologic linguistics simply just gave him the toolset to piece together the stories we already had.
There’s a quite a big chance, that Aragorn is also related to Witch-king of Angmar, since he was formerly a powerful numenorian lord (probably related to the royal numenorian line)
Since you established the distant kinship of Aragorn to the Princes of Dol Amroth, you could also draw Theoden and Eomer's kinship with Aragorn through Theoden's mother, Morwen Steelsheen, a descendant of that line.. Also, Legolas is related to Gorbag, prove me wrong!
Sure, Oropher, father of Thranduil and grandfather of Legolas, was one of the Firstborn at Cuiviénen. In his early days, he had a brother who was captured by Morgoth in the forests near Cuiviénen, taken to Utumno, and tortured, eventually being deformed into an Orc. Gorbag is a direct descendant of him.
Tolkien defenitely drew inspiration from European royal history, where these things also happen a lot. For example: Louis IX of France, Edward III of England, Ferdinand III of Castile and even Alexius I Comnenus, Byzantine emperor, are all ancestors of every single royal family in Europe today, and even most Europeans in general. The latter is even related to a lot of Iranian muslim nobility. Similarly, while England and Spain were archrivals in the 16th century, their monarchs were descended from the other's royals, both from Edward III, whose great grandfather was Ferdinand III of Castile. Even US presidents, like FDR, JFK and Obama are descended from Edward III, and we can trace their lines pretty clearly.
As a sidenote, I'm Thai and it's interesting how little we know about that kind of stuff in this region. I don't know my great-grandparents names at all, and can't research them since the government's records are pretty bad. We did have ancient kings, but we have no record of how many people today are their descendants. We just don't record these things down over history like Westerners do.
Well Alexius I's great great grandson, Alexius Megas Comnenus founded the empire of Trebizond. His line continues from there, Going to John IV (died 1460). John's daughter, Theodora, married Uzun Hasan, a Turkoman prince. The marriage was an attempt by by both to protect their states against the Ottomans. Their Daughter, Alamshah begum, married another Turkoman prince and is the mother of Ismail I, founder of the Safavid dynasty. He has a ton of descendants, no doubt spreading into the nobility, and possibly outside Iran as well.
@@Rostam-vk9hx King Charles III for example is very distantly related to the prophet Muhammad, through Spain. It’s very distant. So distant, he’s a closely related to Charlemagne and other ancient rulers, simply because if you go far back enough, you’ll be distantly related to a lot of people. Depending on the location.
Also another sidenote, it is possible that the Sassanian dynasty had lots of descendants that survived and married into the nobility. If that is true, it would make the early modern Iranian nobility descendants of another Byzantine emperor, Maurice (539-602), whose daughter married into the Sassanian royals. A branch of the Sassanian royals also fled to Tang China after their downfall, becoming generals for a couple generations, before assimilating into the locals. Again, if that is true and their line survived, much of the Chinese would be their descendants, although I am not that sure about this one. It's amazing how far these things can spread.
Excellent video! I found it interesting and I didn't realize it until you made this video. It feels so real, and I am glad Tolkien went through all that effort.
He's basically direct line descendant of all 3 houses of The Edain, Noldor and Sindar of Beleriand branches, and 3rd in line of Rivendell's inheritance (if somehow that even existed xD) in case of something would have happened to Elrond and his sons
Even though Arwen and Aragorn are technically cousins, it's so distant (i.e. 6,000 years) to be almost insubstantial compared to many married European Royals where most are 1st, 2nd and 3rd cousins.
That was only later/post the medieval period. The Church actually forbade cousin marriages, the Eastern Orthodox also kept it once they split. It went as far as 7th cousins. For example, Henry II of England did marry a fairly close relative, Eleanor of Aquitaine, but first cousin marriages were frowned upon and weren’t as common as people think until after the reformation. They did happen before but were rarer. Which eventually lead to the Hapsburgs (although they still survive today), which is what the church wanted to avoid, very inbred people. Not as bad as the ancient Egyptian pharaohs.
@@thomasalvarez6456 The Church was open to granting exceptions to powerful royal houses like the Hapsburgs. The Spanish Bourbons were quite fond of inbreeding for a long while with several cases of avunculate marriage. Ferdinand VII married two of his nieces, one from each of his two sisters. And that was in the early 19th century. Photographs of his successor, Isabella II, daughter of the younger niece, show that she looked like what you would suspect an union like that would produce.
@@thomasalvarez6456 Actually in the 1677 William of Orange married his first cousin Mary Stuart and in 1840 Queen Victoria married her first cousin Albert to name a few.
I think the House of Hurin is related to the Royal House through the female line. Possibly a daughter from the House of Hurin married one of the Kings of Gondor or a younger son. Remember for the Dunédain of Middle Earth, lineage is more focused on the father’s side. That’s why Firiel could not claim the throne of Gondor when her father and brothers died.
This is also possible. It would also add some precedent as to why the Stewards were fine with the office passing through the female line of two occasions.
Going back just over 1000 years already means you're guaranteed to be related to essentially everyone in your greater cultural circle. All things considered, Aragorn being 25 times removed from Denethor is honestly almost impossibly much.
Worth noting that Théoden and Éomer were also related to Aragorn in a second way too: Through Théoden and Théodwyn's mother, Morwen, who was a descendant of the Princes of Dol Amroth.
I think it is technically possible. There are some legends that one of the Tooks married a fairy (probably an elven maiden?). Also, while there are no direct mentions of marriages between Hobbits and Men of Bree, that doesn't seem completely impossible, and marriages between Men of Bree and Dunedain/Rangers are also possible.
They're both Maiar, that makes them at least the same "species". Olorin was of Manwe, while Melian was of Yavanna; whether that puts them in different "families" I leave for you to decide. Aragorn IS a descendant of Melian (via the Luthien -> Elros -> Isildur line), so if you consider all the Maiar a family, then yes he's related to Gandalf; if you consider them just a species with their own lineages, then no, he's not more related to Gandalf than he is to any other random human.
Not in the traditional sense as the only one of the Ainur we know to actually have had a child is Melian. Both Olorin and Melian were created by Ilúvatar so you could interpret that as making them related. Tolkien did write that Manwë and Melkor, Mando and Lórien, Oromë and Nessa, and Yavanna and Vána were siblings but he didn't say exactly in what sense they were siblings as all the Ainur were created by Ilúvatar.
The princes of Dol Amroth were also related to both Denethor and Theoden. Denethor was Imrahil's brother-in-law, while Eomer married Imrahil's daughter, and Theoden's mother was also from Dol Amroth.
Since the House of Dol Amroth is akin to the Lords of Andunie it means Aragorn is related to the Royal House of Rohan through the line of Dol Amroth as well. Thengel (Theoden’s father) married Morwen of Lossarnach whose house descended from the House of Dol Amroth. Since Denethor married Finduilas of Dol Amroth that means Aragorn is related to Boromir and Faramir through the House of Dol Amroth as well.
@@ricardoandre7049 Celeborn is mentioned as Thingol's kinsman in _The Silmarillion_ although Tolkien never definitively confirmed his history before he died. I can't find any references to Oropher's origin other than he was a Sinda of Doriath.
At what point do you stop being related? I always thought about 3rd cousin being the last meaning full connection, but i always see youtubers freaking out about being someones 10th cousin.
Unless you live on a North Sentinel Island, you are likely distantly related to everyone.. Almost every european can claim relation to Charlegamagne for example
Yeah I mean I remember a top 10 facts TH-camr calling out FDR for committing inc*st, when he married his fifth cousin once removed, and I find that funny since you see closer marriages than that basically every generation in European royal history.
I've seen that too. They evidently don't know second cousin marriage is legal worldwide and even first cousin marriage is legal in many places. Getting weirded out about 10th cousins is absurd.
@@untitled568 I can trace my linage back to harald hadrada. But seeing as everyone in my country can do that i don’t think it’s anything to brag about.
And here I thought that the relation would be symbolic. Instead I got, Aragorn is litetally related to other characters, as if I could not see that from the appendecies (sic).
I will also note that Aragorn's people is not unrelated to the Northmen; Aragorn was of the Faithful, themselves descendants of the House of Beör, while the Northmen were related to the House of Hador. Given that the Edain were treated as a block, isn't it likely that they were related to each-other as well? Edit: of characters in LotR that Aragorn is *not* related to, here's the list that I can come up with: -All Ainur characters -Dwarves (not just Gimli) -Other spiritual beings (e.g. Tom Bombadil) -Ents Characters who *could* be related to Aragorn, but there is no evidence for: -Breelanders; -Other Rohirrim and Gondoran characters not of the royal or lordly lines Characters who could *theoretically* be related to Aragorn, but there is no evidence for and it is quite dubious: -All of the Hobbits; -Ghan-buri-Ghan * Incidentally, other characters undoubtedly related to Aragorn through Vidugavia that you didn't mention: Bard the Bowman and his successors in Dale
Although the Valar do not have offspring-type of lineages, if we could consider them and the Maiar as siblings in a single literal generation, does Aragorn's descendance from Melia the Maiar give him relation to Gandalf/Elorin the Maiar?
I think its crazy to think that in Tolkien's world its like 100 generations between Elrond's brother Elros and Aragorn. In our reality, most people stop shutting their brains off at second cousins. I keep in touch with some third cousins. However, in Aragorn's case if he is the patrilineal decendant of Elros, hypothetically Aragorn has the same Y chromosome as Elrond and also would share the same last name ( in theory). My most meaningful third cousin is the great grandson of my great grandfather's sole younger brother. So even though we are several generations apart, i think the male link means something. That's the main thing of what keeps the Aragorn importance relevant to his marriage to Arwen.
I don't think the princes of Belfalas were descendants of Elros, not before Imrazor anyways, because Théoden was a descendant of the Princes of Belfalas, and yet, he was bearded! Since we know the descendants of Elros had no beards, it's not possible for the princes of Belfalas to be of Elros's line
I personally can only trace my ancestry to my Great grandfather’s great grandfather. My family name was involuntary changed so it’s hard to research it any further
Theoden's mother was Morwen Steelsheen, we are told she was descended from a Prince of Dol Amroth. So he could be Faramir's fifth cousin once removed, making Faramir and his future wife Eowyn, and her brother Eomer, 18 king of Rohan, sixth cousins. It also means that following Eomer the kings of Rohan are female line descendants of the 1st king of Numenor! As for Hurin and Minardil, it's possible he could be descended from an unnamed daughter of Ornendil, Eldacar's heir or in Appendix A it says Ornendil was Eldacar's third child, which indicates Eldacar had a daughter, who could be the royal ancestor of Hurin, making Hurin Minardil's second cousin, thus why he was of great trust and of royal descent, but not of the royal line. This would make Aragorn and Denethor 9th cousins 10 times removed! I think.
I don't mean to be rude, but is it normal in British English to pronounce "lineage" the way that you do in this video? I (American) would say it like "linny-edge".
3:29 So the stewards were a cadet branch of the House of Anárion. When the main line ended, the cadet branch should have assumed the throne. That happened in IRL European monarchy all the time. So why didn't the house of Stewards do that?
I'd say the answer is simply that was not how things were done in Gondor. Tolkien's monarchies don't have to follow the same rules as European ones have.
Tolkien sets it out clearly in Appendix A after Eärnur rode off to Minas Morgul: "So it was that no claimant to the crown could be found who was of pure blood, or whose claim all would allow." Just because the stewards were descended from Anárion doesn't mean there weren't others descended to the same or better degree.
Aragorn's family would still have a better claim as descendants of the daughter of the king, than those of a second cousin (or whatever degree)'s line. And as his line was disqualified for Earnil, who's son Earnur was the last king before the 'reign' of the stewards, no one else related had a better claim than anyone else anymore. The House of the Stewards were so many generations down at this point, that a large portion of the rest of Gondor's nobility was ALSO related to the original royal line by the same amount.
Because Arda is very idealised setting. Sure, the stewards not making themselves kings eventually is bullshit if you view trough a lens of historic realism. But guess what, Tolkien's work is not realistic.
Don't forget the mouth of sauron and the witch King! Both probably go back to marach, or beor at the farthest if not elros or some other unnnamed numenorean noble.
A friend of my mother's is into tracing family history. he hit a noble line and just ran with it. so on my mother's side I was able to go back to around 500 CE. around 1100 we come from a lesser son of the duke of Brittany, He in turn came from the 3rd son of the grandson of Charles Martel, the 1st king of France and that grandson did pretty well himself being crowned holy roman emperor in 800 CE
Elrond and Elros were brothers, whom were born of a man and an elf, so were given the choice to either be man or elf, Elrond chose to be an elf and is father of Arwen. Elros chose to be a man and became first king of Numenor. Aragorn is descended from him, via Elendiel and his two sons. So Aragorn and Arwen, are cousins, but like 60+ times removed.
"chances are you only know your lineage back 4 or 5 generations" 🤔 ←me thinking: not me 😂, I know mine accurately back to 730A.D. (on my mother's side) and back through the Roman empire to the siege of troy if you rely on claims made by an ancestor over 1000 years ago about an event that happened over 1000 years before that. And on my father's side we are Hakka so we can trace our lineage back to about 1300A.D. through records kept at our ancestral Temple, and again I could go back further if I were willing to believe the family origin story through a royal Chinese line back to the ancient God of water.
The American example of this is that all US presidents are related even Obama with the flip side being that any American who can trace their heritage back to the colonial period are related as well....and from there you get in to connections to exiled /expatriated British nobility aka "founding fathers" and their connections to the Royals.
LMAO over all the commenters taking this opportunity to flex their own lineages. Given that the number of a person's ancestors more or less doubles with every generation going back (depending on the degree of cousin marriage), the idea of focusing on a noble sixteenth century ancestor while ignoring the other 262,143 ancestors of the same degree is absurd. And if just a few of your foremothers liked to sleep around, the illegitimate births make your whole elaborate family tree a joke.
My mother-in-law got into genealogy (to combat her own inferiority complex) and told my kids that they had an ancestor at Jamestown. I later informed them that was 17 generations back and so that one guy was 1 out of 65,536 ancestors they had at that degree, give or take a few ancestors. I haven't told them yet that if just one of their foremothers played around, then the illegitimate birth would break the whole thing.
There's no known half-dwarves nor romantic relationships between dwarves and other species in the legendarium. And maybe it's because of their origin being different from all the other races, they're just not capable and/or not fated to mix, like elves and men can.
@@istari0 Never thought of that, now that you ask. But reading the answers I think I'd rather clarify this was just a dumb joke. Think of it: Aragorn is a descendant of both Isildur and Anarion, who were brothers, and by the end of the book marries Arwen, the niece of his direct ancestor Elros. I thought it'd come off as absurd that I'd chose to focus on such a distant realationship - the most dintant one discussed in this video, if I'm not mistaken -, especially with Eöwyn's being, in the end, just a short infatuation.
With 6,000 years worth of history, it’s not even surprising that he is related to every house
Also worth noting that 2 of Aragorn's most distant ancestors are presumably still alive and well, at over 6000 years old each (Tuor and Earendil)
He wasn't related to Gimli...
Yet
😂😂😂
The hobbits?
Imagine if an elf and dwarf or a human and a dwarf had a child.
He and Gimli weren't even made by the same *god*, that's about as alien as you can get.
I just found this Channel in the last day or two and have been binge watching. Great LOTR content.
Really good channel welcome 🙃
You have chosen well
Welcome out of the cave you've been living in.
To be fair I did the same a few months back, I had found the channel before but didn't engage as well the first time round.
@@cavetroll666 Thank you master cave troll 🧌 lol 🙃
Elros was the Charlemagne of LOTR. Change my Mind.
More like Ingwe
Define Charlemagne
@@HexaDecimus The one that like 30% of Europe can trace their ancestry to.
Earendil was Oannes, whom married the daughter of Dior/Ausir (Osiris. the egyptians literally know him as Ausir as well - a bit lazy by Tolkien here), which was Elwing (Isis).
Their sons were Elros and Elrond (Thoth & Odin)
Elros became a hereditary priesthood of man,- which eventually became the dunedain/Messiah/Aragorn.
Elrond became the undying allfather whom sporadically appeared before people to help his own narrative.
His daughter-assistant Arwen (Gridr/Gerdr) married the northern heir of the ringbearer Isildur (Baldr),- which was Aragorn (Yngvie-Freyr/Sigurdr).
There are a handful of narratives in norse myth that focus on the same story,- which is what Tolkien managed to stitch together into a coherent european mythos.
Tolkien to this day is being done an embarrassing injustice by people who have neither read all the myths NOR have the linguistic insight to see why Tolkien is right in everything he does.
His story seems greater than any man could ever write alone,- because that's exactly what it is.
His study of mythologic linguistics simply just gave him the toolset to piece together the stories we already had.
@@fredriks5090 What
There’s a quite a big chance, that Aragorn is also related to Witch-king of Angmar, since he was formerly a powerful numenorian lord (probably related to the royal numenorian line)
Since you established the distant kinship of Aragorn to the Princes of Dol Amroth, you could also draw Theoden and Eomer's kinship with Aragorn through Theoden's mother, Morwen Steelsheen, a descendant of that line..
Also, Legolas is related to Gorbag, prove me wrong!
Yes, Morwen was descended from a previous prince through her father.
That's a good observation.
Sure, Oropher, father of Thranduil and grandfather of Legolas, was one of the Firstborn at Cuiviénen. In his early days, he had a brother who was captured by Morgoth in the forests near Cuiviénen, taken to Utumno, and tortured, eventually being deformed into an Orc. Gorbag is a direct descendant of him.
Tolkien defenitely drew inspiration from European royal history, where these things also happen a lot. For example: Louis IX of France, Edward III of England, Ferdinand III of Castile and even Alexius I Comnenus, Byzantine emperor, are all ancestors of every single royal family in Europe today, and even most Europeans in general. The latter is even related to a lot of Iranian muslim nobility. Similarly, while England and Spain were archrivals in the 16th century, their monarchs were descended from the other's royals, both from Edward III, whose great grandfather was Ferdinand III of Castile. Even US presidents, like FDR, JFK and Obama are descended from Edward III, and we can trace their lines pretty clearly.
As a sidenote, I'm Thai and it's interesting how little we know about that kind of stuff in this region. I don't know my great-grandparents names at all, and can't research them since the government's records are pretty bad. We did have ancient kings, but we have no record of how many people today are their descendants. We just don't record these things down over history like Westerners do.
Could you elaborate more on the Iranian muslim nobility? How were/are they related to the nobility of Europe? I'd love to learn more. Fascinating.
Well Alexius I's great great grandson, Alexius Megas Comnenus founded the empire of Trebizond. His line continues from there, Going to John IV (died 1460). John's daughter, Theodora, married Uzun Hasan, a Turkoman prince. The marriage was an attempt by by both to protect their states against the Ottomans. Their Daughter, Alamshah begum, married another Turkoman prince and is the mother of Ismail I, founder of the Safavid dynasty. He has a ton of descendants, no doubt spreading into the nobility, and possibly outside Iran as well.
@@Rostam-vk9hx King Charles III for example is very distantly related to the prophet Muhammad, through Spain. It’s very distant. So distant, he’s a closely related to Charlemagne and other ancient rulers, simply because if you go far back enough, you’ll be distantly related to a lot of people. Depending on the location.
Also another sidenote, it is possible that the Sassanian dynasty had lots of descendants that survived and married into the nobility. If that is true, it would make the early modern Iranian nobility descendants of another Byzantine emperor, Maurice (539-602), whose daughter married into the Sassanian royals. A branch of the Sassanian royals also fled to Tang China after their downfall, becoming generals for a couple generations, before assimilating into the locals. Again, if that is true and their line survived, much of the Chinese would be their descendants, although I am not that sure about this one. It's amazing how far these things can spread.
Excellent video! I found it interesting and I didn't realize it until you made this video.
It feels so real, and I am glad Tolkien went through all that effort.
He's basically direct line descendant of all 3 houses of The Edain, Noldor and Sindar of Beleriand branches, and 3rd in line of Rivendell's inheritance (if somehow that even existed xD) in case of something would have happened to Elrond and his sons
Vanyar too
Even though Arwen and Aragorn are technically cousins, it's so distant (i.e. 6,000 years) to be almost insubstantial compared to many married European Royals where most are 1st, 2nd and 3rd cousins.
That was only later/post the medieval period. The Church actually forbade cousin marriages, the Eastern Orthodox also kept it once they split. It went as far as 7th cousins.
For example, Henry II of England did marry a fairly close relative, Eleanor of Aquitaine, but first cousin marriages were frowned upon and weren’t as common as people think until after the reformation. They did happen before but were rarer.
Which eventually lead to the Hapsburgs (although they still survive today), which is what the church wanted to avoid, very inbred people. Not as bad as the ancient Egyptian pharaohs.
@@thomasalvarez6456 The Church was open to granting exceptions to powerful royal houses like the Hapsburgs. The Spanish Bourbons were quite fond of inbreeding for a long while with several cases of avunculate marriage. Ferdinand VII married two of his nieces, one from each of his two sisters. And that was in the early 19th century. Photographs of his successor, Isabella II, daughter of the younger niece, show that she looked like what you would suspect an union like that would produce.
@@thomasalvarez6456 Actually in the 1677 William of Orange married his first cousin Mary Stuart and in 1840 Queen Victoria married her first cousin Albert to name a few.
@@Knight860 which are both AFTER the Medieval period...which is what he said...
@@dlxmarks and that's AFTER the Medieval Period, which is what he said. You need an example FROM the Medieval period if you want to prove him wrong...
I think the House of Hurin is related to the Royal House through the female line. Possibly a daughter from the House of Hurin married one of the Kings of Gondor or a younger son. Remember for the Dunédain of Middle Earth, lineage is more focused on the father’s side. That’s why Firiel could not claim the throne of Gondor when her father and brothers died.
This is also possible. It would also add some precedent as to why the Stewards were fine with the office passing through the female line of two occasions.
6 degrees of separation. The Kevin Bacon of middle earth. 🤣Just jokin' great video!
I'd like to know what the Istari(particularly Gandalf) were doing to help Arnor with Angmar.
I'm sure they were doing something or other that was pretty much brave.
It could be argued that Aragorn and Gandalf via the Melian connection (Gandalf called Radagast, another Istar, his cousin)
It might be easier to list the characters to whom he wasn't related.
Going back just over 1000 years already means you're guaranteed to be related to essentially everyone in your greater cultural circle. All things considered, Aragorn being 25 times removed from Denethor is honestly almost impossibly much.
Thanks for the video 🙃
Now imagine to find lost heir to the throne somewhere in the Shire.
Worth noting that Théoden and Éomer were also related to Aragorn in a second way too: Through Théoden and Théodwyn's mother, Morwen, who was a descendant of the Princes of Dol Amroth.
Surprisingly, Aragorn was also related to Bilbo, Frodo, Merry, and Pippin. But it’s best not to talk about THAT.
yeah but only as distantly as any other human is
I think it is technically possible. There are some legends that one of the Tooks married a fairy (probably an elven maiden?). Also, while there are no direct mentions of marriages between Hobbits and Men of Bree, that doesn't seem completely impossible, and marriages between Men of Bree and Dunedain/Rangers are also possible.
A quick note Earendil wasn't descendant from Thingol, it was his wife, Elwing.
One has to ask: Are Gandalf/Olorin and Melian kin to each other? If so, Aragorn is also related to him.
They're both Maiar, that makes them at least the same "species". Olorin was of Manwe, while Melian was of Yavanna; whether that puts them in different "families" I leave for you to decide. Aragorn IS a descendant of Melian (via the Luthien -> Elros -> Isildur line), so if you consider all the Maiar a family, then yes he's related to Gandalf; if you consider them just a species with their own lineages, then no, he's not more related to Gandalf than he is to any other random human.
@@alseid8709in a way the Ainur are related in the sense that they all share a father in Eru, as they have sprung from his thoughts.
Not in the traditional sense as the only one of the Ainur we know to actually have had a child is Melian. Both Olorin and Melian were created by Ilúvatar so you could interpret that as making them related. Tolkien did write that Manwë and Melkor, Mando and Lórien, Oromë and Nessa, and Yavanna and Vána were siblings but he didn't say exactly in what sense they were siblings as all the Ainur were created by Ilúvatar.
House of Hurin, oh boy isn't Faramir lucky to be alive
The princes of Dol Amroth were also related to both Denethor and Theoden. Denethor was Imrahil's brother-in-law, while Eomer married Imrahil's daughter, and Theoden's mother was also from Dol Amroth.
Since the House of Dol Amroth is akin to the Lords of Andunie it means Aragorn is related to the Royal House of Rohan through the line of Dol Amroth as well. Thengel (Theoden’s father) married Morwen of Lossarnach whose house descended from the House of Dol Amroth. Since Denethor married Finduilas of Dol Amroth that means Aragorn is related to Boromir and Faramir through the House of Dol Amroth as well.
Was Thrandul related to Thingol at all? Could Legolas also be Aragorn’s distant cousin?
Was wondering if there was some relations there. Although they would be thousands of years prior, like most other people on this list
Not impossible but there's nothing about Thranduil and Thingol having any shared ancestry.
Isnt Oropher said to be a kisnman of thingol? In the same way Celeborn and Eol are said to be kinsman of Thingol.@@dlxmarks
@@ricardoandre7049 Celeborn is mentioned as Thingol's kinsman in _The Silmarillion_ although Tolkien never definitively confirmed his history before he died. I can't find any references to Oropher's origin other than he was a Sinda of Doriath.
I’ve always loved the character Imrahil and want more content with him
At what point do you stop being related?
I always thought about 3rd cousin being the last meaning full connection, but i always see youtubers freaking out about being someones 10th cousin.
Unless you live on a North Sentinel Island, you are likely distantly related to everyone.. Almost every european can claim relation to Charlegamagne for example
Yeah I mean I remember a top 10 facts TH-camr calling out FDR for committing inc*st, when he married his fifth cousin once removed, and I find that funny since you see closer marriages than that basically every generation in European royal history.
I recently did some genealogy and found out I am 6th cousin twice removed with both one of my exes and Matt Damon. It doesn't mean very much.
I've seen that too. They evidently don't know second cousin marriage is legal worldwide and even first cousin marriage is legal in many places. Getting weirded out about 10th cousins is absurd.
@@untitled568 I can trace my linage back to harald hadrada. But seeing as everyone in my country can do that i don’t think it’s anything to brag about.
And here I thought that the relation would be symbolic. Instead I got, Aragorn is litetally related to other characters, as if I could not see that from the appendecies (sic).
Actually, Theoden is also a descendant of the House of Elros, through his mother, Morwen, who was of the House of Dol Amroth
Good vid.
I will also note that Aragorn's people is not unrelated to the Northmen; Aragorn was of the Faithful, themselves descendants of the House of Beör, while the Northmen were related to the House of Hador. Given that the Edain were treated as a block, isn't it likely that they were related to each-other as well?
Edit: of characters in LotR that Aragorn is *not* related to, here's the list that I can come up with:
-All Ainur characters
-Dwarves (not just Gimli)
-Other spiritual beings (e.g. Tom Bombadil)
-Ents
Characters who *could* be related to Aragorn, but there is no evidence for:
-Breelanders;
-Other Rohirrim and Gondoran characters not of the royal or lordly lines
Characters who could *theoretically* be related to Aragorn, but there is no evidence for and it is quite dubious:
-All of the Hobbits;
-Ghan-buri-Ghan
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Incidentally, other characters undoubtedly related to Aragorn through Vidugavia that you didn't mention: Bard the Bowman and his successors in Dale
I kind of want to know if any other characters have this kind of family tree, i imagine a few of the elves are like this and maybe the hobbits
Although the Valar do not have offspring-type of lineages, if we could consider them and the Maiar as siblings in a single literal generation, does Aragorn's descendance from Melia the Maiar give him relation to Gandalf/Elorin the Maiar?
Aragorn and Arwen are separated by 6500 years since Aragorn is Elros descendent.
How about Aragorn and Legolas, are there related in anyway?
It's possible, but we don't know for sure considering we don't know who Legolas' great-grandfather was.
I think its crazy to think that in Tolkien's world its like 100 generations between Elrond's brother Elros and Aragorn. In our reality, most people stop shutting their brains off at second cousins. I keep in touch with some third cousins. However, in Aragorn's case if he is the patrilineal decendant of Elros, hypothetically Aragorn has the same Y chromosome as Elrond and also would share the same last name ( in theory). My most meaningful third cousin is the great grandson of my great grandfather's sole younger brother. So even though we are several generations apart, i think the male link means something. That's the main thing of what keeps the Aragorn importance relevant to his marriage to Arwen.
I don't think the princes of Belfalas were descendants of Elros, not before Imrazor anyways, because Théoden was a descendant of the Princes of Belfalas, and yet, he was bearded! Since we know the descendants of Elros had no beards, it's not possible for the princes of Belfalas to be of Elros's line
Aragorn could be considered a cousin of Gandalf through Luthien via Melian
I personally can only trace my ancestry to my Great grandfather’s great grandfather. My family name was involuntary changed so it’s hard to research it any further
Theoden's mother was Morwen Steelsheen, we are told she was descended from a Prince of Dol Amroth. So he could be Faramir's fifth cousin once removed, making Faramir and his future wife Eowyn, and her brother Eomer, 18 king of Rohan, sixth cousins.
It also means that following Eomer the kings of Rohan are female line descendants of the 1st king of Numenor!
As for Hurin and Minardil, it's possible he could be descended from an unnamed daughter of Ornendil, Eldacar's heir or in Appendix A it says Ornendil was Eldacar's third child, which indicates Eldacar had a daughter, who could be the royal ancestor of Hurin, making Hurin Minardil's second cousin, thus why he was of great trust and of royal descent, but not of the royal line. This would make Aragorn and Denethor 9th cousins 10 times removed! I think.
I don't mean to be rude, but is it normal in British English to pronounce "lineage" the way that you do in this video? I (American) would say it like "linny-edge".
It's probably the same in British English, but I'm Australian, and we tend to butcher the English language.
Descended from Hobbits too! The little know actual reason post-Numenoreans became shorter! 😂
3:29 So the stewards were a cadet branch of the House of Anárion. When the main line ended, the cadet branch should have assumed the throne. That happened in IRL European monarchy all the time. So why didn't the house of Stewards do that?
I'd say the answer is simply that was not how things were done in Gondor. Tolkien's monarchies don't have to follow the same rules as European ones have.
Tolkien sets it out clearly in Appendix A after Eärnur rode off to Minas Morgul: "So it was that no claimant to the crown could be found who was of pure blood, or whose claim all would allow." Just because the stewards were descended from Anárion doesn't mean there weren't others descended to the same or better degree.
Aragorn's family would still have a better claim as descendants of the daughter of the king, than those of a second cousin (or whatever degree)'s line. And as his line was disqualified for Earnil, who's son Earnur was the last king before the 'reign' of the stewards, no one else related had a better claim than anyone else anymore. The House of the Stewards were so many generations down at this point, that a large portion of the rest of Gondor's nobility was ALSO related to the original royal line by the same amount.
Because Arda is very idealised setting. Sure, the stewards not making themselves kings eventually is bullshit if you view trough a lens of historic realism. But guess what, Tolkien's work is not realistic.
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It was decided to put the kingship on ice to prevent a civil war between rival claimants.
I been thinking about this couple times.. all of LOTR mythology is descendants of Finwe doing stuff..
Don't forget the mouth of sauron and the witch King! Both probably go back to marach, or beor at the farthest if not elros or some other unnnamed numenorean noble.
Was Aragon related to Pippin?
He’s also related to the sackville bagginses
I can date my family back 700 years. I am directly descended from the Baron of O'Roir of England.
A friend of my mother's is into tracing family history. he hit a noble line and just ran with it. so on my mother's side I was able to go back to around 500 CE. around 1100 we come from a lesser son of the duke of Brittany, He in turn came from the 3rd son of the grandson of Charles Martel, the 1st king of France and that grandson did pretty well himself being crowned holy roman emperor in 800 CE
That Grandson being Charlemagne? So 30% of Europe share that claim, lol.
Elrond and Elros were brothers, whom were born of a man and an elf, so were given the choice to either be man or elf, Elrond chose to be an elf and is father of Arwen. Elros chose to be a man and became first king of Numenor. Aragorn is descended from him, via Elendiel and his two sons. So Aragorn and Arwen, are cousins, but like 60+ times removed.
I don't think Aragorn is related to the milkman though.
So he is related to Gollum…
"chances are you only know your lineage back 4 or 5 generations" 🤔 ←me thinking: not me 😂, I know mine accurately back to 730A.D. (on my mother's side) and back through the Roman empire to the siege of troy if you rely on claims made by an ancestor over 1000 years ago about an event that happened over 1000 years before that. And on my father's side we are Hakka so we can trace our lineage back to about 1300A.D. through records kept at our ancestral Temple, and again I could go back further if I were willing to believe the family origin story through a royal Chinese line back to the ancient God of water.
I'm related to Aragorn.
You forgot about Maia ancestry
"Did you know that Gollum is related to Aragorn? Isn't that crazy?
Did you know that Gandalf used to be a Gollum?
Well, Gandalf is a type of Gollum."
He's my Cousin as well
The American example of this is that all US presidents are related even Obama with the flip side being that any American who can trace their heritage back to the colonial period are related as well....and from there you get in to connections to exiled /expatriated British nobility aka "founding fathers" and their connections to the Royals.
LMAO over all the commenters taking this opportunity to flex their own lineages. Given that the number of a person's ancestors more or less doubles with every generation going back (depending on the degree of cousin marriage), the idea of focusing on a noble sixteenth century ancestor while ignoring the other 262,143 ancestors of the same degree is absurd. And if just a few of your foremothers liked to sleep around, the illegitimate births make your whole elaborate family tree a joke.
Aragorn was the 39th generation after Isildur. Thus, there were approx. 200 billion (!) of his ancestors in that era alone.
Sweet home Alabama..
Americans in the corner ticking off generations from Jamestown, Pocahontas, The Mayflower, Daniel Boone, Jessie James.... etc etc....
My mother-in-law got into genealogy (to combat her own inferiority complex) and told my kids that they had an ancestor at Jamestown. I later informed them that was 17 generations back and so that one guy was 1 out of 65,536 ancestors they had at that degree, give or take a few ancestors. I haven't told them yet that if just one of their foremothers played around, then the illegitimate birth would break the whole thing.
Algormancy!
Considering half-elves exist, maybe half-dwarves could as well.
There's no known half-dwarves nor romantic relationships between dwarves and other species in the legendarium. And maybe it's because of their origin being different from all the other races, they're just not capable and/or not fated to mix, like elves and men can.
@@alseid8709the fact that dwarves even barely bang *eachother* won't help as well
The Tauriel/Kíli thing made me gag. I've never been a fan of Jackson's added content.
English language uses the word cousin way too liberally...
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Wait, if Aragorn is related to Eömer... then Eöwyn was in love with her far removed cousin? That's distrubing and wrong.
I mean isn't Eowyn even more closely related to Faramir? Since her grandmother and Faramir's mother were kin? I might be wrong though.
@@mwvidz324 I'm not sure, but I believe so, yes.
Uh... Their relation is like 1500 years before. That's actually extremely distant, probably more than most married couples even are.
Why? Do you know that marriage between second cousins is legal worldwide? That's a lot closer than any of the relationships discussed in this video.
@@istari0 Never thought of that, now that you ask.
But reading the answers I think I'd rather clarify this was just a dumb joke. Think of it: Aragorn is a descendant of both Isildur and Anarion, who were brothers, and by the end of the book marries Arwen, the niece of his direct ancestor Elros. I thought it'd come off as absurd that I'd chose to focus on such a distant realationship - the most dintant one discussed in this video, if I'm not mistaken -, especially with Eöwyn's being, in the end, just a short infatuation.
Are you being paid by the upcoming useless fanservice movie/show?