I was fooling around with the line roller and checked that there is one bearing in there -. 4x7x2.5mm. There is a spacer about the same size, roller sleeve, bushings etc. I put a 2nd 4x7x2.5 and it was a bit tight. I put a 4x7x2mm in and it worked better. A little switch here and there and now.... VOILA! I have a 14 BEARING Shimano Vanford. If you're fishing salt water I wouldn't change the line roller. My additions included an extra 2x5x2mm in the oscillation paw and a 4x7x2mm. in the line roller... plus the 5 bearings you added to the 7+1 Vanford. The 3000 is so light you don't appreciate any heaviness. What a great reel to downrigger fish for Salmon.
Your videos are so easy to follow I have upgraded both of my CI4+ reels from you video on it. I've placed an order for the bearings for the Vanford and don't even have it yet, on a waiting list, but i'll be ready when it gets here. Keep up the fantastic videos making us smarter on upgrading and added benefit reel repair. We know how to take it all apart now.
Cesar Elizondo I’m thrilled to hear that man!! And sweet!! You’ll be ready when it comes for sure! And I sure will! That’s very true man, thanks for the nice comment! Tight lines!
Good video! But few remarks i can say: 1) Rotor retaining bushing and bearing don't have same inner size. To replace this bushing correctly, you need original Stella's part(bearing with integrated brass bushing), or use thin bushing(just like old Daiwa's have) 2) If you have high quality bearing to put in spool(NMB DDL series or EZO stainless), better put it inside reel, as second drive gear's bearing. In new reels shimano use few very cheap bearings(right drive gear bearing, head rotor bearing). This cheap bearing from drive gear ideal for spool support. 3)No need put bearing inside oscillation pawl, this downgrade! This assembly with rubber damper helps reel works quietly. Even Stella and Vanquish have no bearing inside this place. 4) You do worm shaft upgrade wrong. This is proper order: 3x5x0.1 mm bushing->2x5x2.5mm bearing->plastic gear->worm shaft->metal spring bushing->3x6x2.5mm bearing->4x6mm washer, and then plate. 3x6x2.5 bearing has bigger size than bushing you replace, and you need to remove plastic washers to compensate it, left only metal washer. If you don't put 3x5mm washer first, and 4x6mm washer at the end, your bearings not work correctly. Also, using spacers, you can add one more bearing inside line roller.
Мамонтов Павел Well you know a ton about this stuff! Awesome information! I will say though that the oscillation paw in the Stella does have a bearing because that is what I used to upgrade my reel, I used the Stella Schematic so maybe it missing something there. And also I would need to buy many shims to shim that worm gear perfectly I didn’t even know! Thank you for all of your information!
@@WestCoastFloridaFishing You wellcome! It is true, that some old models of Stella have this bearing, but 18 Stella and new Vanquish doesn't. This rubber ring at pawl need to remove "clicks" when pawl reach ends of worm shaft. About shims-every bearing need touch any surface one ring at time. For example, end of worm shaft-metal curved washer fits and lock inner ring of bearing, so after bearing you need to put washer fits outer ring of bearing. If don't plate surface touch both inner and outer ring, and block bearing rotation.As well first 2x5x2.5mm bearing lock inner ring by plastic gear and worm shaft, so better pur a shim(and also because bushing have bigger size, need to compensate). And i should say, that sometimes you don't need a shim before 2x5x2.5 bearing, but always need after 3x6x2.5. Make shure after upgrade, that your worm shaft have free moving and technical space, and curved washer still curved. Sorry for my bad english.
Мамонтов Павел your English is pretty good!! And alright I’ll take that into consideration next time! Everything feels great on the reel now but if I feel something I’ll open it up and make a video about it!
I ordered a few 2x5x2mm bushings and calculated the oscillating bushing is 1.7mm in thickness, the spacers are o.3mm, and the bushing is 2.5mm. Thus if you use a 2,5mm bushing with a 2mm bushing all the space should be accounted for. When they arrive I will try it out and let you know
Great tutorial, thanks...CI4+ is what I usually use but after 4 years it is time to order the Vanford. Never crossed my mind to upgrade it and I'll give it a go, first I have to see where to get all the parts in Europe. Great content, keep on educating
Thanks for the comment! Yes it seems it is time to upgrade to the Vanford! and if you cant source the parts easily then don't worry about it as it doesn't make the reel super duper amazing just a little performance boost!
Just saw him and his reel yesterday at Betts fishing center. it's definitely an awesome reel for sure. we brought 3 stradic ci4+ reels to be respool. tight lines!
Thanks for the tutorial on the gomexus part. Have the 3000 size Vanford. Will be sendin' mine off to Shimano when I need it serviced. To new for me to try lubricating and puttin' grease on gears yet.
Great video! You are doing a great job in detailed filming and explaining. In my opinion you are a great addition to Tackle Advisors, doing these upgrades. Love both channels btw. Keep them comming please! 👍👍
Thank you man! Awesome! I hope I explain well enough but sometimes I feel like I can't spit it out! Wow dude that makes me feel like a million bucks hah! Thanks man I will keep them coming don't worry!
Saw another guy do this and he put one of the 2 shims at the rear of the worm gear in front of the bearing and one behind. Said the retaining plate can interfere with bearing otherwise. Makes sense
Yeah it’s intense for sure but it’s not game changing. It feels better but not a lot better so it’s totally okay if you take the easy route and add an extra bearing under the spool support and the lower worm gear! Those are pretty helpful upgrades and don’t take much work to accomplish!
What a selling point for these parts to be included in the reel. I noticed some of the parts were from the same country the reel was made. I guess you could pay 1000 dollars for a 3000 series reel and still find uptrades...
Just finished the upgrade. The lightness of the Vanford C3000XG was surprising. It went well and quicker than the stradic-stella conversion but I didn't notice any significant difference before and after.
@@WestCoastFloridaFishing So basically the vanford is a stradic FL with lighter body? If not whats difference between the 2? Thanks for a great walk through!
Shinkiro That is pretty close! It’s a Stradic FL with the Ci4+ Carbon body and rotor. With the MGL rotor on the Vanford you have less startup inertia energy needed therefore making it a lighter feel when you spin the handle.. you also have the weight reduction from the Ci4+ and you also have the addition of one extra ball bearing in the Vanford!
You make it look so easy! Great job explaining. Makes we want to do the upgrade as well. Sadly in the Netherlands the bearings are not that easy to come by so I'll have to find them. Keep up the great work you and tackle advisor I love to watch when it comes to reels.
Haha thank you for the nice comment! And I'm glad you think so. yeah if you can get to it it would be worth while! The biggest overall improvement in my opinion is the Gomexus Handle for sure! Wow that is a huge compliment! Thanks man I appreciate all your kind words!
hello guys! First of all, a very nice video, it help you a lot if you want to understand how to upgrade and how a shimano reel work. Second of all I want a link to buy shim for 2x5x2.5 bearing and 3x6x2.5 bearing. Thank you in advance. Have a nice day.
What more can I say. I got totally excited watching this. You are very talented and your steps in the vids are very easy to follow. Major thumbs up. Ps. Had to change my boxers as I wet my pants. Kudos to you.
One thing I'm not sure about is the upgrade of the rotor retaining nut. The brass bushing with a o-ring on the outside is replaced for a ball bearing without o-ring on the outside. My worry is that this creates more clearance. Another thing that worries me is the fact that the main shaft runs up and down through the inner ring of the ball bearing creating axial load instead of radial load. Also the material of the ball bearing could be damaging the main shaft. In my opinion there is a sleeve bearing in this position because of the rotating and linear motion of the mainshaft. On the other hand if this is exactly the same as the Stella it should work fine 🤔. Curious how this part of the upgrade will do after a good field test. Please let us know! Thanks! 👊
Robert de Jonge I completely see where you’re coming from and it will not make a difference in smoothness in my opinion.. there isn’t more clearance as the brass bushing was reallllyyg tight with that seal. And I know I completely agree but here is the Stella Schematic: cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2300/2455/files/STLC3000XGFI.pdf?12260947669904273612 There will be an entire video on the reel first time fishing with it so I will definitely let you guys know! As far as that bearing upgrade is concerned.. (my opinion) that upgrade seems to not help much and isn’t truly worth the time and money 🤷🏽♂️ buttt I could be wrong. We will find out in a field test!
@@WestCoastFloridaFishing Thanks for the schematic :) I really hope everything goes well, but looking at the drawing you send it should be ok! Thanks again for your video's and replies. Looking forward to your next video! Tight lines 👊
Robert de Jonge youre welcome buddy! And thanks I hope so too! And yeah I think it should go good! And you’re welcome! Thanks for all the comments and input! Thanks dude! Tight lines!!
Will do my friend! And it should be... Just make sure you order the correct spool support for the 4000 and parts check the bushings between each other! If the 3000 Schematic has the same bushing number as the 1000 and 4000 for that part, It will fit!! Good luck my friend and stay tuned for the next video!
@@WestCoastFloridaFishing Question I have a Vanford 4000xg. I would like to do the bearing upgrade that you have shown. Comparing my 4000 to your 3000, the only thing that looks similar is the upper and lower worm gear bushings. Which Stella model/year would I compare my 4000 to match the bearings. Do you have a link that shows the parts diagram and part numbers for the Stella I need? Keep up the good work.
Hi! Thx for great video, talented job step by step. Please help me if You can, how can i find the bearings sizes for my 4000 Vanfords. I love these reels, but watched Your video and hope for tune it up. Best regards, Vik
You would have to remove the bushings out of the reel and measure them to have them replaced I have not done a 4000 unfortunately! If you compare the bushing part numbers with the 3000 schematic you saw in this video then you can get some easy bearing part numbers!
Hi there great channel and instructional video. I have just purchased the 2500HG model and would like to upgrade ASAP. Do you have the spec and sizes of all bearings needed for this upgrade...advice would be gratefully appreciated.....👍
Thank you! I’m glad you enjoy the channel and the video! Everything in this video is the exact same specs and sizes for the 2500 Vanford so everything I do in this video would work for your 2500 or a 3000 sized Vanford!
I write down from Colombia. Amazing video!!! You make it look easy. May be you must should make a new video given the comments from "Мамонтов Павел", its no easy to undertand whitout see. Pleace, can you tell me how many bearings can I upgrade to my Vanford C2000HG, which are the references and what other things I need to do? Thank you a lot!
Awesome! Thank you for the nice words! Yeah I have thought about doing it again with those added tid bits but I feel as they make such little different to warrant a whole new video. I haven’t done the Vanford 2000 so I don’t know what bearings you need but the best way to find out is pull all bushing out. Measure them. And replace with correct size bearing! Good luck!
Oh Shoot!!! I totally didn't even realize that!! Sorry about that... it is smoother for sure! worth the money if you got some money burning in your pocket! Thanks for watching!
Gonçalo Mateus Thanks man!! As long as I keep getting shared by you guys I’ll get there one day! And yes all bearing sizes will work except for the spool support bearing and that is purchased right here: Spool Support Bearing for 4K and 5K Vanford (8x16x5) : rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fitm%2FHigh-Quality-440C-Stainless-Steel-Ball-bearings-Listed-by-Size%2F124156176607%3Fhash%3Ditem1ce848e8df%3Ag%3ARyQAAOSwXj1emJGP&campid=5338690692&toolid=10001&customid=Stella
I have a Vandford 2500 HG and everything worked great . My question is the shims on the Oscillating bearings the same for the 2500 Hg as the 3000 in your video . Thank you for the videos they are very informative
Hey bud, great vids. Any chance you could do a layout of the Shimano line? Models keep changing and upgrading, and sometimes it’s hard to understand what the $25, $50, or $75 difference gets you. A bearing for $8 seems to be worth $50 in reel models!
Because the main shaft doesn’t rotate and the spool doesn’t sit on the spool bearing is it worth the upgrade? I guess the same question applies to the brass bush in the brass nut below. The shaft simply moves up and down through that.
That’s a good question. When the spool spins and is under load I would believe it would help slightly. But I’m not quite sure. I definitely agree that the rotor retaining nut bearing is not important.
Every time I try to fix a reel, it doesn’t work the same way as before. Maybe I miss placed some of the small parts. I don’t try to fix it anymore, I just send it in to get it repaired and pay a fee
Great video. I learned a lot from this. Question: Can I do the bearing upgrade on a Sustian FL and the shimano Twin Power FD and the newer XD versions, and are the ball bearings the same part numbers. Thank you
Hello! I need HELP! I put my retaining nut on before the rotor 29:24 in your video. I realized after I did this I did not have the rotor on. So I went to remove the retaining nut and its stuck on the brass piece I screwed it too. I have no way at all of getting this to come off on this brand new reel that I have not used. Please help me. I opened the reel back up to see if I could free it by stopping a gear that may spin but I can't. The gold gear below just turns. What do I do? I was trying to upgrade not trash my $300 reel. Please help....I am dying with this new beautiful reel in pieces and useless 😢
Hi WCFF, can you please post a link where you bought the SPACER (20:28) and the Slider Bushing (20:35) for the Oscillating Pawl? I believe it would make the list more completed. Thank you so much
Unfortunately they have removed that part from the Shimano website and I cannot link it anymore! I’m sorry. The reel can be upgraded without that part though!
Nice video..I need upgrade my vanford c2000s similar like you doing on that vanford c3000 what stella year I need to refer for a bearing, spacers, & bushing.can you help me to list all bearing,bushing & spacer in need to replace.Thanks mate.
Thank you! I would check out the 1000 size bearing upgrade kit because from my understanding it’s the closest to the 2000 but I’ve never done one before so I can’t tell you for sure!
Wow your upgrade videos are great! I'm in the market for a new reel.. Would you recommend getting a stradic fl and doing the bearing upgrade or waiting for the vanfords to come back out and do the upgrade? I'm wanting a 5000 size but if I can't find a vanford I might go with a 4000 size ci4+ with the bearing upgrade.. Thanks man, I appreciate any insight!
Thank you for the nice comment man!! I would recommend to get the FL if you were live bait fishing and if you strictly use artificial then I would jump on the Vanford train! We actually have a 5000 Vanford in stock at Betts Fishing Center in Largo Florida! We can ship it to you if you like! Call betts 727-518-7637
Hey man, I’m looking at buying the vanford for some in shore fishing on a 2-5kg zodias. I was wondering if you know the differences between the 2500 and and the 3000 and which you think is better. Thank you! Love the content.
One of the main differences is that the 3000 Vanford has carbon fiber frag washers and the 2500 has felt washers. Other than that the other differences are the spool depth and capacity and the handle knob!
Ordered one of these same aftermarket knobs for my brand new Vanford's( 2500 & 4000). Took the cap's off and the phillips screw just spins in place and will not back out either one of my reel handles. Anyone else had this issue?
at 17:55 .. side bearing the sheild.. how many washers is original? in my vanford 3000 it was 4... but in sustain 2500 it was only 2?? i cant find the sheild that hold the beaing and sims in place it just disapeard,, but it seems to work any way :.. but. in 2500 vanford cant remeberif it was 2 or 3 shcim. i placed 2 thick and athird thin thin..to try remove handle wobble play,.,. it worked okey.. but it feels a little more "ruff" to reel ..vanford 3000 hg had 4 scims and still has a little to much glöitch and play ( just like the old stradic ci4) if uou know.. how many shims is original in vanford 2500 and is it thick only or thick and one thin? and the othger bearing on the side where you can move the handle .. there is no schims.. is that really good?? a open bearing?
I would draw the line on probably 40+ pound class. If you were to get much bigger than that I think the internals would be under a constant load of high stress and probably wear the reel down pretty quick. Thanks for the awesome question dude.
In the discription there is the oartnumber for the osculation bearing(rd11578) does this includes the spacers and shims? Great video btw! Keep going!👍🏻👌🏻
Danny Berendsen this does not include the spacers and shims! Good question! The best place to order these parts would be directly from shimano! Thanks for the comment brother!
It’s not the same size unfortunately. That’s I the same size as the 1000 reel which o have a video on that I produced with the Stradic FL that would be the same!
Any thoughts on why the Vanford requires RD2298 (oscillating slider spacers) when the Stradic FL doesn’t? Seems like they would be the same and that was the only difference I noticed between the two videos. Thx!
i need to talk with you abot some upgrade fix.. to make it short can i use shiman o vanford c300 hg parts in a 2500 f.. like body and side plate ( it works feels like a hig gear 2500 now but havent tried on the water yet.....and i took a bearing from shimano sustain 2500 f and replace spool support busing.. it seems to fit but is it the same?
Not sure how this comment fell through the cracks so I’m sorry about that but I personally would pick the Vanford 4000 because I mostly throw artificial lures and prefer the sensitivity the ci4 offers! I do really believe the Vanford is smoother than the FL
I just got my vanford 5000 today. There is quite a bit of in and out slop in the handle as well as gear engagement movement so much that it makes a clicking noise when reeling. No line on it and not on a rod. Is this normal, does yours have this much play in the handle/ gear?
They can all have a general amount of play in the handle and the gears known as “gear lash” this happens frequently and can vary from reel to reel. Sometimes you can shim it out but usually it’s not work the hassle.
I wish you would buy the correct size spanner, or at least a small adjustable spanner, to do the Spool Nut rather than using the multi grips all the time. You would be much less likely to do any damage in that area if you used the correct tool. This is the second video of yours I have watched and enjoyed so I guess I had better Subscribe now!
You're welcome! And yes I can try, which bearings are you referring too? this guide of the 2020 Vanford will work with your 1000 Size Vanford and the ci4 upgrade video will work with your 1000 sized ci4
@@WestCoastFloridaFishing are all vanfords from 1000-5000 same size bearings? How about the drag system? I ordered some carbon drag for my 2500 vanford and not too sure because there’s no videos of them being interchangeable. Please let me know! Thanks. Great video and very informative!
Personally the upgrades that I would still do would be the spool support, upper worm gear, and lower worm gear. The other two bearings feel really unnecessary!
Love the upgrade man. How do you find the correct bearing for each bushing? I'm trying to work out a list of bearings for my 5000 size based on the part lists
There is 2 bearing for worm oscilating.. you not show the bearing size. I'm looking only mr 52 bearing size.. can you tell me about the other size. i don't care about code "RD xxxxx".. And thank you before..
New subscriber, great information! Would I notice a difference just replacing the spool support and rotor retaining bearings? I'm hesitant to go any further than that.
@@jsmith7790 for some reason my notifications for this video were turned off. I’m sorry! Thanks for subscribing and I seriously hope you understand! You really wouldn’t notice a huge difference just replacing those two bearings. The best bearings to replace for a large difference would be worm gear bearing upgrades. It can be a daunting task!
Being an electrician and sometimes working on motors what I do I use an old egg cartoon start left to right for every piece I take off
That’s a great idea!
I was fooling around with the line roller and checked that there is one bearing in there -. 4x7x2.5mm. There is a spacer about the same size, roller sleeve, bushings etc. I put a 2nd 4x7x2.5 and it was a bit tight. I put a 4x7x2mm in and it worked better. A little switch here and there and now.... VOILA! I have a 14 BEARING Shimano Vanford. If you're fishing salt water I wouldn't change the line roller. My additions included an extra 2x5x2mm in the oscillation paw and a 4x7x2mm. in the line roller... plus the 5 bearings you added to the 7+1 Vanford. The 3000 is so light you don't appreciate any heaviness. What a great reel to downrigger fish for Salmon.
Awesome man! Good job!
Your videos are so easy to follow I have upgraded both of my CI4+ reels from you video on it. I've placed an order for the bearings for the Vanford and don't even have it yet, on a waiting list, but i'll be ready when it gets here. Keep up the fantastic videos making us smarter on upgrading and added benefit reel repair. We know how to take it all apart now.
Cesar Elizondo I’m thrilled to hear that man!! And sweet!! You’ll be ready when it comes for sure! And I sure will! That’s very true man, thanks for the nice comment! Tight lines!
Good video! But few remarks i can say:
1) Rotor retaining bushing and bearing don't have same inner size. To replace this bushing correctly, you need original Stella's part(bearing with integrated brass bushing), or use thin bushing(just like old Daiwa's have)
2) If you have high quality bearing to put in spool(NMB DDL series or EZO stainless), better put it inside reel, as second drive gear's bearing. In new reels shimano use few very cheap bearings(right drive gear bearing, head rotor bearing). This cheap bearing from drive gear ideal for spool support.
3)No need put bearing inside oscillation pawl, this downgrade! This assembly with rubber damper helps reel works quietly. Even Stella and Vanquish have no bearing inside this place.
4) You do worm shaft upgrade wrong. This is proper order: 3x5x0.1 mm bushing->2x5x2.5mm bearing->plastic gear->worm shaft->metal spring bushing->3x6x2.5mm bearing->4x6mm washer, and then plate. 3x6x2.5 bearing has bigger size than bushing you replace, and you need to remove plastic washers to compensate it, left only metal washer. If you don't put 3x5mm washer first, and 4x6mm washer at the end, your bearings not work correctly.
Also, using spacers, you can add one more bearing inside line roller.
Мамонтов Павел Well you know a ton about this stuff! Awesome information! I will say though that the oscillation paw in the Stella does have a bearing because that is what I used to upgrade my reel, I used the Stella Schematic so maybe it missing something there. And also I would need to buy many shims to shim that worm gear perfectly I didn’t even know! Thank you for all of your information!
@@WestCoastFloridaFishing You wellcome! It is true, that some old models of Stella have this bearing, but 18 Stella and new Vanquish doesn't. This rubber ring at pawl need to remove "clicks" when pawl reach ends of worm shaft. About shims-every bearing need touch any surface one ring at time. For example, end of worm shaft-metal curved washer fits and lock inner ring of bearing, so after bearing you need to put washer fits outer ring of bearing. If don't plate surface touch both inner and outer ring, and block bearing rotation.As well first 2x5x2.5mm bearing lock inner ring by plastic gear and worm shaft, so better pur a shim(and also because bushing have bigger size, need to compensate).
And i should say, that sometimes you don't need a shim before 2x5x2.5 bearing, but always need after 3x6x2.5. Make shure after upgrade, that your worm shaft have free moving and technical space, and curved washer still curved. Sorry for my bad english.
Мамонтов Павел your English is pretty good!! And alright I’ll take that into consideration next time! Everything feels great on the reel now but if I feel something I’ll open it up and make a video about it!
Whats correct shiming and bearing worm shaft please.And which reel referans reel for worm shaft, 2019 vanquish or Stella Fj
@@user-gc7bg1ij7y what bearing upgrades will have the most impact like which ones are most important?
I ordered a few 2x5x2mm bushings and calculated the oscillating bushing is 1.7mm in thickness, the spacers are o.3mm, and the bushing is 2.5mm. Thus if you use a 2,5mm bushing with a 2mm bushing all the space should be accounted for. When they arrive I will try it out and let you know
Did it work
@@keenang4705 yes it did. 2-2x5x2 bearings will fill th space
Awesome dude! You’re on it buddy!
Great tutorial, thanks...CI4+ is what I usually use but after 4 years it is time to order the Vanford. Never crossed my mind to upgrade it and I'll give it a go, first I have to see where to get all the parts in Europe. Great content, keep on educating
Thanks for the comment! Yes it seems it is time to upgrade to the Vanford! and if you cant source the parts easily then don't worry about it as it doesn't make the reel super duper amazing just a little performance boost!
Big fan of the Gomexus Knobs, I have upgraded quite a few of my reels with them 💜🎣
I absolutely love them!!
Just saw him and his reel yesterday at Betts fishing center. it's definitely an awesome reel for sure. we brought 3 stradic ci4+ reels to be respool. tight lines!
Awesome man it was great meeting you guys! I but your ci4 are fishing amazing with that new line!!! Good to see ya!
Thanks for the tutorial on the gomexus part. Have the 3000 size Vanford. Will be sendin' mine off to Shimano when I need it serviced. To new for me to try lubricating and puttin' grease on gears yet.
Yeah that seems to be a lot of people’s choice to not lose anything
Great video! You are doing a great job in detailed filming and explaining. In my opinion you are a great addition to Tackle Advisors, doing these upgrades. Love both channels btw. Keep them comming please! 👍👍
Thank you man! Awesome! I hope I explain well enough but sometimes I feel like I can't spit it out! Wow dude that makes me feel like a million bucks hah! Thanks man I will keep them coming don't worry!
@@WestCoastFloridaFishing will daiwa update thier Ballistic lt before June 2021?
Thanks
Nice, i have reel same with you C3000XG, and i still waiting video from you to upgrade, very very help me.. god bless you guys.. 😇
Adiptya YE I’m glad this video has helped you upgrade your own Vanford C3000XG!! Thanks for the nice comment!
Saw another guy do this and he put one of the 2 shims at the rear of the worm gear in front of the bearing and one behind. Said the retaining plate can interfere with bearing otherwise. Makes sense
That would make sense to me! I’ll have to check that out!
This update is intense. Wish there was a place you could take the reel to these mods done.
Yeah it’s intense for sure but it’s not game changing. It feels better but not a lot better so it’s totally okay if you take the easy route and add an extra bearing under the spool support and the lower worm gear! Those are pretty helpful upgrades and don’t take much work to accomplish!
Would the bearing model numbers be different for the 4000?
@@WestCoastFloridaFishing have you tried ceramic bearings instead of the stainless steel?
Be a man. You have an entire video in front of you face.
You probably weren’t good with legos either were you...?
What a selling point for these parts to be included in the reel. I noticed some of the parts were from the same country the reel was made. I guess you could pay 1000 dollars for a 3000 series reel and still find uptrades...
Just finished the upgrade. The lightness of the Vanford C3000XG was surprising. It went well and quicker than the stradic-stella conversion but I didn't notice any significant difference before and after.
Yeah super light reel! And bypassing the Anti reverse and everything else made it much quicker!
I didn't realize that this had a big lip on the rotor under the spool. A nice extra water barrier? I like it.
Ralph Eastham Yep!! Another entry point limited! I like how the FL and the Vanford both have one!
@@WestCoastFloridaFishing I have an FL and somehow I didn't notice it before lol
Ralph Eastham hah! You learn something everyday! The things these engineers sneak in when we’re not looking!
@@WestCoastFloridaFishing So basically the vanford is a stradic FL with lighter body? If not whats difference between the 2? Thanks for a great walk through!
Shinkiro That is pretty close! It’s a Stradic FL with the Ci4+ Carbon body and rotor. With the MGL rotor on the Vanford you have less startup inertia energy needed therefore making it a lighter feel when you spin the handle.. you also have the weight reduction from the Ci4+ and you also have the addition of one extra ball bearing in the Vanford!
Good video my friend, those vanfords are great looking reels
They are great feeling too brother!! Thanks for the comment!
You make it look so easy! Great job explaining. Makes we want to do the upgrade as well. Sadly in the Netherlands the bearings are not that easy to come by so I'll have to find them. Keep up the great work you and tackle advisor I love to watch when it comes to reels.
Haha thank you for the nice comment! And I'm glad you think so. yeah if you can get to it it would be worth while! The biggest overall improvement in my opinion is the Gomexus Handle for sure! Wow that is a huge compliment! Thanks man I appreciate all your kind words!
Everything through Germany, they have everything. Around 5 euro per set. Total upgrade would be sitting around 50 euro.
hello guys! First of all, a very nice video, it help you a lot if you want to understand how to upgrade and how a shimano reel work.
Second of all I want a link to buy shim for 2x5x2.5 bearing and 3x6x2.5 bearing. Thank you in advance. Have a nice day.
Thank you for watching!
I enjoyed the video....I learned something new today....thanks
You’re welcome! Thank you for watching the video!
What more can I say. I got totally excited watching this. You are very talented and your steps in the vids are very easy to follow. Major thumbs up. Ps. Had to change my boxers as I wet my pants. Kudos to you.
Haha That is too funny!!! And thanks so much for the nice words as always! And omg stop haha!
awesome videos ..a lot info there ...also those knobs are something must say a big fan of them.
Thanks dude!! And oh yeah I pack these videos with info! And I love them for most situations! Can't go wrong with em..
@@WestCoastFloridaFishing i totally agree 👍
LAWRENCE VAZ Love this one on the Vanford. I will never go back honestly
I have a 2500 and a 4000 do you have the bearing sizes for both models please. Good instructional video also 😊
Check the video description for the bearing sizes for both of those models! Thanks for watching!
Nice work!! Very clear video!! Keep up the great work!!!
Thanks for the awesome comment!
Sick I might have to do this. Going to watch the guy you shot out idk any thing about upgrading spools going to watch a couple
Yeah dude it’s worth a try if you have some extra time and patience to tinker!
One thing I'm not sure about is the upgrade of the rotor retaining nut. The brass bushing with a o-ring on the outside is replaced for a ball bearing without o-ring on the outside. My worry is that this creates more clearance. Another thing that worries me is the fact that the main shaft runs up and down through the inner ring of the ball bearing creating axial load instead of radial load. Also the material of the ball bearing could be damaging the main shaft. In my opinion there is a sleeve bearing in this position because of the rotating and linear motion of the mainshaft. On the other hand if this is exactly the same as the Stella it should work fine 🤔. Curious how this part of the upgrade will do after a good field test. Please let us know! Thanks! 👊
Robert de Jonge I completely see where you’re coming from and it will not make a difference in smoothness in my opinion.. there isn’t more clearance as the brass bushing was reallllyyg tight with that seal. And I know I completely agree but here is the Stella Schematic: cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2300/2455/files/STLC3000XGFI.pdf?12260947669904273612
There will be an entire video on the reel first time fishing with it so I will definitely let you guys know! As far as that bearing upgrade is concerned.. (my opinion) that upgrade seems to not help much and isn’t truly worth the time and money 🤷🏽♂️ buttt I could be wrong. We will find out in a field test!
@@WestCoastFloridaFishing Thanks for the schematic :) I really hope everything goes well, but looking at the drawing you send it should be ok! Thanks again for your video's and replies. Looking forward to your next video! Tight lines 👊
Robert de Jonge youre welcome buddy! And thanks I hope so too! And yeah I think it should go good! And you’re welcome! Thanks for all the comments and input! Thanks dude! Tight lines!!
Another commenter Mamohtob. Wrote a in depth reply. Check it out. What do you think about it?
Fantastic, keep 'em coming. Do you kmow if this will be the same for the 1000 and 4000?
Will do my friend! And it should be... Just make sure you order the correct spool support for the 4000 and parts check the bushings between each other! If the 3000 Schematic has the same bushing number as the 1000 and 4000 for that part, It will fit!! Good luck my friend and stay tuned for the next video!
@@WestCoastFloridaFishing Question I have a Vanford 4000xg. I would like to do the bearing upgrade that you have shown. Comparing my 4000 to your 3000, the only thing that looks similar is the upper and lower worm gear bushings. Which Stella model/year would I compare my 4000 to match the bearings. Do you have a link that shows the parts diagram and part numbers for the Stella I need? Keep up the good work.
Really enjoying your videos. Just subscribed!
Awesome dude thanks for subscribing!!
Brilliant upgrade but don’t think iam capable of that not game enough to pull it apart like that
Totally get it! Thanks for watching!
Great video!!!thank you very much!!!
Thanks for watching!!
Hi!
Thx for great video, talented job step by step.
Please help me if You can, how can i find the bearings sizes for my 4000 Vanfords.
I love these reels, but watched Your video and hope for tune it up.
Best regards,
Vik
You would have to remove the bushings out of the reel and measure them to have them replaced I have not done a 4000 unfortunately! If you compare the bushing part numbers with the 3000 schematic you saw in this video then you can get some easy bearing part numbers!
Hi there great channel and instructional video. I have just purchased the 2500HG model and would like to upgrade ASAP. Do you have the spec and sizes of all bearings needed for this upgrade...advice would be gratefully appreciated.....👍
Thank you! I’m glad you enjoy the channel and the video! Everything in this video is the exact same specs and sizes for the 2500 Vanford so everything I do in this video would work for your 2500 or a 3000 sized Vanford!
@@WestCoastFloridaFishing do you know if it will work for the 2000 size?
Was looking forward to this. Great job!
waqar javed Awesome man!! Thanks for your support!!
Great video...I don't see a par number for a spacer, but you use two 1.5mm spacers in the video. Am I missing something here?
The part number was unfortunately discontinued. I’m sorry!
I write down from Colombia. Amazing video!!! You make it look easy. May be you must should make a new video given the comments from "Мамонтов Павел", its no easy to undertand whitout see.
Pleace, can you tell me how many bearings can I upgrade to my Vanford C2000HG, which are the references and what other things I need to do?
Thank you a lot!
Awesome! Thank you for the nice words! Yeah I have thought about doing it again with those added tid bits but I feel as they make such little different to warrant a whole new video. I haven’t done the Vanford 2000 so I don’t know what bearings you need but the best way to find out is pull all bushing out. Measure them. And replace with correct size bearing! Good luck!
i cant believe you actually didnt spin it at the end to show the differences...
Oh Shoot!!! I totally didn't even realize that!! Sorry about that... it is smoother for sure! worth the money if you got some money burning in your pocket! Thanks for watching!
Fantastic job. This channel deserve more views.. Btw does this bearing sizes would be the same for 5k model? Cheers in advance!
Gonçalo Mateus Thanks man!! As long as I keep getting shared by you guys I’ll get there one day! And yes all bearing sizes will work except for the spool support bearing and that is purchased right here: Spool Support Bearing for 4K and 5K Vanford (8x16x5) :
rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fitm%2FHigh-Quality-440C-Stainless-Steel-Ball-bearings-Listed-by-Size%2F124156176607%3Fhash%3Ditem1ce848e8df%3Ag%3ARyQAAOSwXj1emJGP&campid=5338690692&toolid=10001&customid=Stella
I have a Vandford 2500 HG and everything worked great . My question is the shims on the Oscillating bearings the same for the 2500 Hg as the 3000 in your video . Thank you for the videos they are very informative
Yes they will be the same! And thank you for the comment man!
Great video!
Thank you!
Watch the Benford upgrade video.
Thank you.
I have one question.
Can I know where to sell oscillating sider bushings?
home page?
Shimano removed them from the website! I would just skip that upgrade as it doesn’t do much and it’s a pain to find those parts! Good luck!
I have the Vanford 500, 2500 also, are the bearings different for these two reels?
Yes most of the bearings are completely different sizes
Hey bud, great vids. Any chance you could do a layout of the Shimano line? Models keep changing and upgrading, and sometimes it’s hard to understand what the $25, $50, or $75 difference gets you. A bearing for $8 seems to be worth $50 in reel models!
Thanks for the compliment buddy! I could definitely try to add that to the list of videos! You just want the true differences between the models?
Good job. I don't agree with the oscillating blade upgrade. That bushing reduce vibrations and noise, better then bearing. My opinion though. ;)
I think a in depth comment by Mamohtob agrees with you.
Check it out.
I agree with you. I have since not recommended that bearing upgrade!
Will the parts be the same for the 2500hg model?
Yes it would! Thanks for the question man!
Great video, thank you!
You’re welcome! Thanks for commenting!!
Because the main shaft doesn’t rotate and the spool doesn’t sit on the spool bearing is it worth the upgrade? I guess the same question applies to the brass bush in the brass nut below. The shaft simply moves up and down through that.
That’s a good question. When the spool spins and is under load I would believe it would help slightly. But I’m not quite sure. I definitely agree that the rotor retaining nut bearing is not important.
Thank you for sharing brother
Thanks for watching man!!
Great video man, thank you !
Glad you liked it!
Please can you tell me where I can get all the upgrades including the gomexus handle for my new vanford f c3000 reel .
They are all in the description below the video.
So on the oscillator paw... does it go...
Spacer > bearing > spacer > bushing
? Since you had 2 spacers, was the bearing sandwiched between them?
Every time I try to fix a reel, it doesn’t work the same way as before. Maybe I miss placed some of the small parts. I don’t try to fix it anymore, I just send it in to get it repaired and pay a fee
Hey that works too! Sometimes it’s not worth losing something!
Great video. I learned a lot from this. Question: Can I do the bearing upgrade on a Sustian FL and the shimano Twin Power FD and the newer XD versions, and are the ball bearings the same part numbers. Thank you
Nice video, but could you leave the message how to get the RD16471?
Unfortunately I believe that part is discontinued! I’m sorry!
Hello! I need HELP! I put my retaining nut on before the rotor 29:24 in your video. I realized after I did this I did not have the rotor on. So I went to remove the retaining nut and its stuck on the brass piece I screwed it too. I have no way at all of getting this to come off on this brand new reel that I have not used. Please help me. I opened the reel back up to see if I could free it by stopping a gear that may spin but I can't. The gold gear below just turns. What do I do? I was trying to upgrade not trash my $300 reel. Please help....I am dying with this new beautiful reel in pieces and useless 😢
I would recommend a vise grip on the shaft of the pinion gear and then using a wrench on the rotor nut!
bearings kit for stella 2500 are the same for the vanford 2500?
Sure looks like it could work!
Great video thanks for this who doesn't want $1000 reel upgrade. My question is are these bearing upgrades the same for the 4000xg vanford?
They won’t be all the same bearings unfortunately! Thanks for the awesome comment though!
Hi WCFF, can you please post a link where you bought the SPACER (20:28) and the Slider Bushing (20:35) for the Oscillating Pawl? I believe it would make the list more completed. Thank you so much
Unfortunately they have removed that part from the Shimano website and I cannot link it anymore! I’m sorry. The reel can be upgraded without that part though!
Thank you though
I have vanford 1000. Do u have ant idea which shimano reel schematic i should follow to upgrade/add the bearings? Thanks.
You’re best bet is the stella FJ 1000. Good luck!
Nice video..I need upgrade my vanford c2000s similar like you doing on that vanford c3000 what stella year I need to refer for a bearing, spacers, & bushing.can you help me to list all bearing,bushing & spacer in need to replace.Thanks mate.
Thank you! I would check out the 1000 size bearing upgrade kit because from my understanding it’s the closest to the 2000 but I’ve never done one before so I can’t tell you for sure!
great video! Thank yoU!
Thank you!! Appreciate the support!
Wow your upgrade videos are great!
I'm in the market for a new reel..
Would you recommend getting a stradic fl and doing the bearing upgrade or waiting for the vanfords to come back out and do the upgrade?
I'm wanting a 5000 size but if I can't find a vanford I might go with a 4000 size ci4+ with the bearing upgrade..
Thanks man, I appreciate any insight!
Thank you for the nice comment man!! I would recommend to get the FL if you were live bait fishing and if you strictly use artificial then I would jump on the Vanford train! We actually have a 5000 Vanford in stock at Betts Fishing Center in Largo Florida! We can ship it to you if you like! Call betts 727-518-7637
I ended up buying a diawa saltist backbay in a 4000 size
Any idea if the Vanford 2500 spool is interchangeable with the 3000 reel? Great vid, nice work!
Yes it is!! Thank you for the compliment!
Hey man, I’m looking at buying the vanford for some in shore fishing on a 2-5kg zodias. I was wondering if you know the differences between the 2500 and and the 3000 and which you think is better. Thank you! Love the content.
2500 enough
One of the main differences is that the 3000 Vanford has carbon fiber frag washers and the 2500 has felt washers. Other than that the other differences are the spool depth and capacity and the handle knob!
@@mrpro6205 for some people it can be!
The handle knob is different
The spool also holds a little bit more line.
Thanks nice job
Ordered one of these same aftermarket knobs for my brand new Vanford's( 2500 & 4000). Took the cap's off and the phillips screw just spins in place and will not back out either one of my reel handles. Anyone else had this issue?
I have seen this once. Unfortunately I did not find a fix for this. :/ sorry you had this issue!
@@WestCoastFloridaFishing I guess the only fix would be to drill it out and replace the shaft and screw that the bearing/bushing and knob sits on.
at 17:55 .. side bearing the sheild.. how many washers is original? in my vanford 3000 it was 4... but in sustain 2500 it was only 2?? i cant find the sheild that hold the beaing and sims in place it just disapeard,, but it seems to work any way :.. but. in 2500 vanford cant remeberif it was 2 or 3 shcim. i placed 2 thick and athird thin thin..to try remove handle wobble play,.,. it worked okey.. but it feels a little more "ruff" to reel ..vanford 3000 hg had 4 scims and still has a little to much glöitch and play ( just like the old stradic ci4) if uou know.. how many shims is original in vanford 2500 and is it thick only or thick and one thin? and the othger bearing on the side where you can move the handle .. there is no schims.. is that really good?? a open bearing?
hey can you make same video with shimano cardiff c2000ss 14' and abu garcia revo x 20
Unfortunately I don’t have those reels so I cannot create a video for them! So sorry!
Hey buddy hows it going love the videos I have a question I have a 4000 series vanford ,where would you draw the line on the fish you would target
I would draw the line on probably 40+ pound class. If you were to get much bigger than that I think the internals would be under a constant load of high stress and probably wear the reel down pretty quick. Thanks for the awesome question dude.
Do you know the part number or have a link for a line roller for a vanford 3k? the line roler on mine is locked up and needs replaced. thanks
In the discription there is the oartnumber for the osculation bearing(rd11578) does this includes the spacers and shims? Great video btw! Keep going!👍🏻👌🏻
Danny Berendsen this does not include the spacers and shims! Good question! The best place to order these parts would be directly from shimano! Thanks for the comment brother!
Okay thanks. Quick response👍🏻😁
hi friend, I just bought the vanford c2000 it is the bearing same size with the c3000? I'm really interested your video try to upgrade myself 😊
It’s not the same size unfortunately. That’s I the same size as the 1000 reel which o have a video on that I produced with the Stradic FL that would be the same!
Any thoughts on why the Vanford requires RD2298 (oscillating slider spacers) when the Stradic FL doesn’t? Seems like they would be the same and that was the only difference I noticed between the two videos. Thx!
I’m not quite sure! Its possible I missed the shims on the Stradic I’d have to go double check!
Fantastic video, I’m not that good with mechanics, do you do upgrades for other people, I’m thinking of buying 4000, thanks
Yeah definitely could! Or you could find a local repair shop they might be willing to do it! Let me know!
Do all these bearings work on the 4000?
So all of the bearings you listed are the same for the 5000 model? Except the spool support bearing?
How do I figure out how to choose the correct bearing size for a 4000 or 5000 reel?
Nice video! Question, will all the parts you list in the description compatible with Shimano vanford 2500 reel?
Yes! It will work directly.
@@WestCoastFloridaFishing thank you 🙏
i need to talk with you abot some upgrade fix.. to make it short can i use shiman o vanford c300 hg parts in a 2500 f.. like body and side plate ( it works feels like a hig gear 2500 now but havent tried on the water yet.....and i took a bearing from shimano sustain 2500 f and replace spool support busing.. it seems to fit but is it the same?
Interesting. Would the Vanford 1000 upgrade be similar or follow the 2020 Stradic 1000 as well? Thanks.
Yep!!! It would’ve almost if not identical! Thanks for the great comment and question!
please upgrade is also valid for 3000 non-HG model ... thanks
Yes it is!
@@WestCoastFloridaFishing grazie...
If you had to pick one reel. Vanford 4000 or Stradic FL 4000. Which would it be. Do you really believe the Vanford is smoother ? Thank you.
Not sure how this comment fell through the cracks so I’m sorry about that but I personally would pick the Vanford 4000 because I mostly throw artificial lures and prefer the sensitivity the ci4 offers! I do really believe the Vanford is smoother than the FL
I have a Vf4000xgf i like to do a upgrade do you know what size bearings do i need??
I’m not sure what bearings you need unfortunately I haven’t upgraded that size before.
I just got my vanford 5000 today. There is quite a bit of in and out slop in the handle as well as gear engagement movement so much that it makes a clicking noise when reeling. No line on it and not on a rod. Is this normal, does yours have this much play in the handle/ gear?
They can all have a general amount of play in the handle and the gears known as “gear lash” this happens frequently and can vary from reel to reel. Sometimes you can shim it out but usually it’s not work the hassle.
I wish you would buy the correct size spanner, or at least a small adjustable spanner, to do the Spool Nut rather than using the multi grips all the time. You would be much less likely to do any damage in that area if you used the correct tool. This is the second video of yours I have watched and enjoyed so I guess I had better Subscribe now!
I have since gotten smarter and am using an adjustable wrench! Thanks for the comment dude!
please I want to have your upgraded fishing reel🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻👍🏻
Maybe I’ll give one away one day!
hello good day..I've watching all your videos can I buy your upgraded fishing reel
Yes you can! Message me on Instagram @west_coast_florida_fishing
Great lesson - thank you.
Can you help me and specify bearing for Stradic Ci4 size 1000 and Vanford size 1000? Best Regards
You're welcome! And yes I can try, which bearings are you referring too? this guide of the 2020 Vanford will work with your 1000 Size Vanford and the ci4 upgrade video will work with your 1000 sized ci4
@@WestCoastFloridaFishing Thank You v. m .
Waldemar Reczydlo no problem man! Let me know if you have more questions
@@WestCoastFloridaFishing are all vanfords from 1000-5000 same size bearings? How about the drag system? I ordered some carbon drag for my 2500 vanford and not too sure because there’s no videos of them being interchangeable. Please let me know! Thanks. Great video and very informative!
After a few months of comments and usage.
Which of the upgrades would you still do?
Keeping in mind it is already an expensive reel.
Thanks
Personally the upgrades that I would still do would be the spool support, upper worm gear, and lower worm gear. The other two bearings feel really unnecessary!
I am looking for a reel stand for my vanford 300 but I dk if the 42mm gomexus one is compatible with it..any help would be appreciated
Love the upgrade man. How do you find the correct bearing for each bushing? I'm trying to work out a list of bearings for my 5000 size based on the part lists
Which reel did you compare schematics for. I would like to replace the 2 bearings surrounding the shaft on my 4000 vanford
I just used the stella FJ schematic!
There is 2 bearing for worm oscilating..
you not show the bearing size. I'm looking only mr 52 bearing size..
can you tell me about the other size.
i don't care about code "RD xxxxx"..
And thank you before..
What’s the part number for that bearing behind the pinion gear?
Does these upgrades make reel more durable and smoother?
It does not make it more durable. It does slightly increase the smoothness.
New subscriber, great information! Would I notice a difference just replacing the spool support and rotor retaining bearings? I'm hesitant to go any further than that.
Perhaps you didn't see my question, would you mind answering?
So I'm going to assume you are not interested in answering.
@@jsmith7790 for some reason my notifications for this video were turned off. I’m sorry! Thanks for subscribing and I seriously hope you understand! You really wouldn’t notice a huge difference just replacing those two bearings. The best bearings to replace for a large difference would be worm gear bearing upgrades. It can be a daunting task!
What size phillips screwdriver do you need? PH1 is what is think?
For bass fishing in the 2500-3000 size would u recommend the Stradic ci4+,fl, vanford, tatula or ballistic?
I would recommend the Vanford 3000 for bass fishing in the 2500-3000 size! I do that actually!!!
Great video !
How much weight is added with the Gomexus knob ?
Around 0.35 of an oz!
So i bought all the bearings that you linked but where do i get the spacers that you got in 21:45 ?
Unfortunately I believe those spacers have been discontinued. I’m sorry for the inconvenience!
What is the difference between the Vanquish and the Vanford? The bearings only?
Hmm. There’s definitely going to be a bigger difference but I’m not sure exactly what the differences are.