I absolutely love Yodo. You touch on a very important part of the play style: Fire, maneuver, & take the reload time to make people miss. It's not uncommon to have five ships targeting Yodo after the opening salvo & being prepared to change speed and direction immediately after firing is paramount. This can be an advantage!!! Five ships firing at Yodo who's prepared an evasive maneuver & miss are five ships not targeting your team mates. Then, go dark, watch their turrets to shift to another target, then fire again. They'll keep turning back & forth, not getting effective damage and also exposing themselves to your pals. It's a tricky line to walk but once you get it down, it's a great time.
That is exactly how I envisioned the gameplay of Japanese lightcruisers. Its a major support ship to distract the enemy especially when it performs better when running away. Diverting the attention of enemy onto you rather than your team results in winning the war despite losing the battle when you die. The only downside is that you need someone to spot for you at the start so that you know who is on yourside when in battle. It really is the ship line to test your skills as a cruiser. That is just my opinion so feel free to tell me othewise. (I've been rocking the gokase in tier 8 matches recently)
The T5, 6 and 7 were atrocious grinds and I stopped there. I sort of liked the ships but the lack of heal and the slower reload was a big issue for me when I stopped. Good video and perhaps I'll try again in the future.
Competent CCs back in 2018: "Boise can deal some good damage per salvo, but at the end of the day, nothing you do with her guns is something you wouldn't also do with Helena, and better since Helena has higher DPM." Modern CCs in 2023: "Look at the damage. No! Don't look at the *actual* DPM! Just look at the *BEEEG* numbers when the shells hit!"
I kind of skipped the lower tiers of the line, but I found the Tier 9 (Takahasi) to be really fun. 360 turrets are always spicy and the torp angles let you get away with rushes you probably shouldn't. Properly built it also gets near-Atago level maneuverability, and you don't even really need concealment mod because just CE puts your conceal at 11.6, so i take rudder mod for that wiggly action. I actually used Taka to hold a flank off pretty much by myself once and it was wild.
Mogami is my favorite cruiser from the classic line, and the shimanto is just a better Mogami. Better turret traverse, better torp angles, better torp range...
I always loved these ships since they were released. I saw them and still see them as analogous of the Italian heavy cruisers, especially if you're going to run IFHE. They get a heal starting at Tier IX, they have long reloads but do tremendous amounts of damage when hitting most of your salvo, they're accurate, maneuverable, have a smoke to disengage or just harass enemies while hiding in open water, and have torps for battleship and cruisers who want to rush you, all traits that are found on Italian heavy cruisers. Most people saw the long reloads and small caliber guns, and just dismissed the line without giving it a thought. The up to Tier IX, admittedly the line is tough without the sustain that comes with a heal, but at Tier IX and X you can take risks that would send you back to port in the earlier tiers. If you loved the Italians, play these ships.
The Shimanto has a better looking perma camo (but only if you got the early access camo), otherwise even the new line's default perma camos are quite bleh.
I seem to do really well in the T8 and I can’t figure out why haha. I find I can catch folks with pre dropped torps on a objective. I went reload in the T9. Landing shots with at extended range can be difficult. Those turrets tho… great for catching a DD that suddenly pops up, turn fast enough to catch and punish them.
I ran out of patience leveling the IJN Cruisers. It doesn't matter what build you use really, you just get spotted and nuked with impunity in today's meta in these cruisers. If you go into knowing you're gonna get smashed, then game on right?
I just can't deal with the fact that the T8 and T9 have worse DPM than Shimakaze, and that their ballistics make shooting at anything above 15km a challenge at best. I would still play the Mogami in a T10 game than I would the T9 in a T9 game. Mogami in particular hits 38mm pen with IFHE which notably punches out USBB decks Not having light cruiser utility, light cruiser DPM, or light cruiser agility with only 15km unreliable IJN torps to compensate is painful.
Wait until you get at T10, pain is the name of the game. The battle impact its almost zero, as soon as you get spotted and there is no cover to hide you will get blown out of the water.
T5 and T6 killed me. Having to lose a fight against a Lo Yang in a Gokase felt terrible. Super slow turning turrets with no pen and no damage, slow shells, no range and slow reload was just atrocious. Good to see higher tiers are better.
Not bad - not terrible for me so far . Glass jaw , fast turning guns , ok(ish) HP but reload leaves a lot to be desired (a slight reload buff would not be so bad).
They may not be the best in most standard battles, but maps with lots of islands, they are top dogs at defencive play.. and wow, in zeppelin escort, a decent player can just destroy. In the end, they are very situational, so you will find them lacking if the right situation dosnt crop up.
The base DPM of this entire line is lower than the Mogami. Plus, the shell velocity, penetration, alpha, armor, speed, turning circle, rudder shift time and so on. Everything is worse.
For me any semblance of the notion that this line is good goes out the window the moment you compare them to the Mogami. Compared to the Shimanto and Takahashi, the Mogami has higher alpha, better shell arcs and drastically better DPM. The Mogami even has better base DPM than the Yodo. Sure the Mogami loses out on the rapid traversing 360 turrets (which are really nice), but 60% higher DPM more than makes up for it.
whats the point of a fast turret travers if the reload is 15 seconds , Mogami is a better ship in all respects 120k per game EASILY , the shells are bigger and actually do something
I broke the Shimanto WR by getting 3368 bse xp, by far the highest, although it wont get registered because ive only had 7 and you need 40 to get on the leaderboard
The real kicker is that Japanese 100mm guns have more HE pen then these 155mm guns. WARGAMING LOGIC! Speaking from the tier 5 experience, these things are "Destroyers" in cruiser form. Longer torp range then their Detection range, Decent Guns, Turning torps for WIDE torp firing angles.
Not to be a downer but have you considered the fact that you're comparing playing without your lockon fix vs playing with your lockon fix? You're doing well but that might be the lockon fix making a weak ship act better and you should really compare your Atago while using the lockon fix not your historical records.
why cant WeeGee actually give us IJN ships i literally got outgunned by a destroyer, he broke all my guns and i couldnt even set fire to him.. and one time my shell shattered.. like bruh ijn ships literally lack any good features it renders them absolutely useless with all these new and extreemly powerful ships that are joining the game
This line is a non-starter. Not worth anyone's time. I'd rather do TT resets for research points than play new but terrible ships. What's the prize here? Yodo? GTFOH.
I quite like these ships because they're fun to shoot at.
Yes especially in Montana or Kremlin
@@firepos3851 First time I saw a Yodo in my Montana, I devstruck him from 100% hp at like 20km. My jaw hit the floor, but felt great on my side
I absolutely love Yodo. You touch on a very important part of the play style: Fire, maneuver, & take the reload time to make people miss. It's not uncommon to have five ships targeting Yodo after the opening salvo & being prepared to change speed and direction immediately after firing is paramount. This can be an advantage!!! Five ships firing at Yodo who's prepared an evasive maneuver & miss are five ships not targeting your team mates. Then, go dark, watch their turrets to shift to another target, then fire again. They'll keep turning back & forth, not getting effective damage and also exposing themselves to your pals. It's a tricky line to walk but once you get it down, it's a great time.
That is exactly how I envisioned the gameplay of Japanese lightcruisers. Its a major support ship to distract the enemy especially when it performs better when running away. Diverting the attention of enemy onto you rather than your team results in winning the war despite losing the battle when you die. The only downside is that you need someone to spot for you at the start so that you know who is on yourside when in battle. It really is the ship line to test your skills as a cruiser. That is just my opinion so feel free to tell me othewise.
(I've been rocking the gokase in tier 8 matches recently)
Aggressive maneuvers are possible on the Shimanto because the guns are able to keep up with the turns. Which is a breath of fresh air for IJN ships.
The T5, 6 and 7 were atrocious grinds and I stopped there. I sort of liked the ships but the lack of heal and the slower reload was a big issue for me when I stopped. Good video and perhaps I'll try again in the future.
Competent CCs back in 2018:
"Boise can deal some good damage per salvo, but at the end of the day, nothing you do with her guns is something you wouldn't also do with Helena, and better since Helena has higher DPM."
Modern CCs in 2023:
"Look at the damage. No! Don't look at the *actual* DPM! Just look at the *BEEEG* numbers when the shells hit!"
Mogami has higher alpha, better shell velocity, *AND* a 5 second quicker reload.
I was really surprised by how fast the turrets rotate and the back turrets can rotate thru the hull like the British DDs. Nice feature.
Another nice feature of these fast turning turrets with no armor is that even DDs can break them with HE.
Seriously though, i loose them all the time.
I kind of skipped the lower tiers of the line, but I found the Tier 9 (Takahasi) to be really fun. 360 turrets are always spicy and the torp angles let you get away with rushes you probably shouldn't. Properly built it also gets near-Atago level maneuverability, and you don't even really need concealment mod because just CE puts your conceal at 11.6, so i take rudder mod for that wiggly action. I actually used Taka to hold a flank off pretty much by myself once and it was wild.
Cant wait for your video on the T9 with less DPM than a german T6 cruiser
Thanks for the review!
Mogami is my favorite cruiser from the classic line, and the shimanto is just a better Mogami. Better turret traverse, better torp angles, better torp range...
Comparison with Mogami Lite might be interesting.
I always loved these ships since they were released. I saw them and still see them as analogous of the Italian heavy cruisers, especially if you're going to run IFHE. They get a heal starting at Tier IX, they have long reloads but do tremendous amounts of damage when hitting most of your salvo, they're accurate, maneuverable, have a smoke to disengage or just harass enemies while hiding in open water, and have torps for battleship and cruisers who want to rush you, all traits that are found on Italian heavy cruisers. Most people saw the long reloads and small caliber guns, and just dismissed the line without giving it a thought. The up to Tier IX, admittedly the line is tough without the sustain that comes with a heal, but at Tier IX and X you can take risks that would send you back to port in the earlier tiers. If you loved the Italians, play these ships.
What does this ship offer over 155mm Mogami? Other than turret traverse?
Mogami is better
@@Ph3NiX80 It certainly looks like it is.
The Shimanto has a better looking perma camo (but only if you got the early access camo), otherwise even the new line's default perma camos are quite bleh.
I enjoy the grind and the yodo is a solid B tier cruisers. The rudder shift needs improvement but overall it's a good line.
I was pleasantly surprised with the 8 and 9. You know what's really fun? Schroder
I seem to do really well in the T8 and I can’t figure out why haha. I find I can catch folks with pre dropped torps on a objective. I went reload in the T9. Landing shots with at extended range can be difficult. Those turrets tho… great for catching a DD that suddenly pops up, turn fast enough to catch and punish them.
I like the true 9 because of the heal, and sometimes I put ifhe on it idk 🤷♀️ but I’ve been playing a lot of schroder a lot , hunting dds.
great video as always PQ!
How can you even know that when the video was out 1 min before you commented...
@@davidzimmermann6362 flexing to be the first ^^
@@davidzimmermann6362 Because I have faith in my homie you recalcitrant hooligan.
The problem is you can’t use IFHE because of 150 guns pen up to 37 mm (while Mogami’s 155 can go up to 38 mm)
I ran out of patience leveling the IJN Cruisers. It doesn't matter what build you use really, you just get spotted and nuked with impunity in today's meta in these cruisers. If you go into knowing you're gonna get smashed, then game on right?
I just can't deal with the fact that the T8 and T9 have worse DPM than Shimakaze, and that their ballistics make shooting at anything above 15km a challenge at best. I would still play the Mogami in a T10 game than I would the T9 in a T9 game. Mogami in particular hits 38mm pen with IFHE which notably punches out USBB decks
Not having light cruiser utility, light cruiser DPM, or light cruiser agility with only 15km unreliable IJN torps to compensate is painful.
I unlocked the camo and eco boost for the tier 8 but haven’t unlocked the actual ship yet
I really like these cruisers, basically free damage for my Thunderer.
awesome ship, quick turrets, awesome AA, great manoeuvrability and a good fire starter
I love my Shimanto
Wait until you get at T10, pain is the name of the game. The battle impact its almost zero, as soon as you get spotted and there is no cover to hide you will get blown out of the water.
T5 and T6 killed me. Having to lose a fight against a Lo Yang in a Gokase felt terrible. Super slow turning turrets with no pen and no damage, slow shells, no range and slow reload was just atrocious. Good to see higher tiers are better.
Yup, only to the 9 so far, but I'm enjoying them. Thankfully I am bc I have a personal policy of owning every 15+ gun ship in game. o7
Not bad - not terrible for me so far . Glass jaw , fast turning guns , ok(ish) HP but reload leaves a lot to be desired (a slight reload buff would not be so bad).
They may not be the best in most standard battles, but maps with lots of islands, they are top dogs at defencive play.. and wow, in zeppelin escort, a decent player can just destroy. In the end, they are very situational, so you will find them lacking if the right situation dosnt crop up.
good review
The base DPM of this entire line is lower than the Mogami. Plus, the shell velocity, penetration, alpha, armor, speed, turning circle, rudder shift time and so on. Everything is worse.
Why did you make a request video on a ship that wasn't requested the most?
"She-mon-toe"
For me any semblance of the notion that this line is good goes out the window the moment you compare them to the Mogami. Compared to the Shimanto and Takahashi, the Mogami has higher alpha, better shell arcs and drastically better DPM. The Mogami even has better base DPM than the Yodo.
Sure the Mogami loses out on the rapid traversing 360 turrets (which are really nice), but 60% higher DPM more than makes up for it.
PQ Come on Giuseppe Verdi on Airship! LESGOOOO make it work! make it work!
I feel like WG doesn’t know what a light cruiser is. Massive HP pool + light cruiser just seems contradictory imo
good ol' inertia fuse heavy explosive. burn the world and boil the oceans!
I wonder why everyone calls them the worst cruiser line in the game??
The japan light cruisers are DD destroyers
whats the point of a fast turret travers if the reload is 15 seconds , Mogami is a better ship in all respects 120k per game EASILY , the shells are bigger and actually do something
Absurd how a tier 8 light cruiser gets 400hp less than the tier 10 Zaõ
I thought everyone will call it shitmanto because of the expectations. XD
I broke the Shimanto WR by getting 3368 bse xp, by far the highest, although it wont get registered because ive only had 7 and you need 40 to get on the leaderboard
The real kicker is that Japanese 100mm guns have more HE pen then these 155mm guns. WARGAMING LOGIC! Speaking from the tier 5 experience, these things are "Destroyers" in cruiser form. Longer torp range then their Detection range, Decent Guns, Turning torps for WIDE torp firing angles.
Not to be a downer but have you considered the fact that you're comparing playing without your lockon fix vs playing with your lockon fix? You're doing well but that might be the lockon fix making a weak ship act better and you should really compare your Atago while using the lockon fix not your historical records.
Submarines suck.
They sure do. Imagine the fun we could have if they weren't there anymore
@@RoderickVoordouw We can only hope.
They are ok
@@ReDiR20 Ok, tell me then what was PQs counterplay to that submarine.
@@siriusczechOpinion: ship based ASW is even worse than submarines themselves and should only be an addition to plane ASW instead of replacement.
why cant WeeGee actually give us IJN ships
i literally got outgunned by a destroyer, he broke all my guns and i couldnt even set fire to him.. and one time my shell shattered.. like bruh
ijn ships literally lack any good features
it renders them absolutely useless with all these new and extreemly powerful ships that are joining the game
VII is horendous
guys we are loosing potato quality
This line is a non-starter. Not worth anyone's time. I'd rather do TT resets for research points than play new but terrible ships. What's the prize here? Yodo? GTFOH.
Pls reply in ur twitch server, in suggestions thread, pour ur wisdom onto me, oh guru @PotatoQuality