Fabian Cancellara SMOKING Boonen Flanders 2010 Analysis
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Early in the clip Cancellara is showing a lot of stress in the upper body going uphill, a sign of high effort. When he leaves Boonen on the cobbled section there is no sign of stress in the upper body. Signs that something isn't right and synonomous with riding a bike powered by a motor.
That is because that piece of trash motor cheater was saving the battery for the big climb which he knew only a few riders would be with him. The seat tube motor actually slows you down if you freewheel, that's why you never see him freewheeling when he is going downhill. These motors have been around for many years so many people could of been using them for 15+ years now. It's also highly suspicious that he "retired" from cycling right before the UCI started doing full bike inspections including the team car bikes.
Exactly. Impossible to unsee once you've seen it. You clearly see him stumping when entering the climb and while following Boonen. As you say, he somehow had more of a rocking motion in his upper body during a lower effort than during his actual attack? Also, just look closely at his legs. He's stumping naturally and all of a sudden switches to a very smooth consistent circular pedalling motion. That is not natural at all and not even efficient.
Do you have any proof? Of course not, nobody has. So, shut up.
@@jansnauwaert1785 you dont need proof just common sense which you clearly are not possesing
@@bpet6990 Absolutely not. You are dead wrong. You need proof.
Cancellara‘s performance on that hill looks suspicious af. He made Boonen look like a schoolboy.
Not even a grit of the teeth too. Let's just say Boon is smashing out 600w or something for Cancellara to effectively double booms speed he would not just have to double the watts he'd have to do more. Speed is not linear. So let's just pretend Cancellara is pumping out 1300? And no sign of struggle. Not even getting out of the saddle.
Possibly, but If you know the history of cycling, Gimondi won in 1966 by over 4 minutes - even over Van Looy, Jansen, Altig - there were no EPO's or motors. In the decades of 1970 to 1990, there were 19 solo winners - it's not unusual to surge forward - Cancellara won by only 2 minutes, which is far from Merckx, Ballerini (over 4 minutes) and Museew (over 3 minutes). The one who rode away in a unatural way is Froome in the mountains of the Tour, dropping Contador and the very best climbers, as if they were standing still. Froome's team received hidden deliveries of motor bikes from Hungary.
You are a nonse..
To answer your question Durianrider (2:18). Matti Breschel "Red and white" Saxo Bank jersey is the winner jersey of the Danish National Championship 2010. Red and white is the colors of the danish national flag.
The Mandingo line finished me🤣 entertaining vid yet very accurate imo. I remember watching this live, great race
Pretty funny to have an analysis from somebody who clearly doesn't know 'the muur'. Boonen did not bonk there, he just reached the max gradient of the muur. 20% and he sustained 900Watts there. THat's not "bonking' lol. Cancellera supposedly had to push 1450Watts from the saddle to ride away like that from somebody who is pushing 900W. 1450W from the saddle at the end of the Tour of flanders? Nuff said ...
I bet Ive ridden up the muur faster than you and more times than you hehe.
@@DurianriderCyclingTips Haha, I'm not going to bite :D
Gonna be pretty hard to bet that from somebody who lives within cycling distance of it :D
But hey, drop me a message and we'll ride up the muur together the next time you pass by. ;)
How much do you think he would be capable of pushing there? Also 900? So he has a 550 w motor? That’s a full on makita drill and then some. That’s noisy as fuck
Emotor handlebar switch era. Beautiful. ZIP
Cancellara swapped his bike at least 3 times that race, why?
He had no punctures....
Riis was the director.... Banned for life.
Another story.... Hirshi.... Cancellara is his manager...1 year he was amazing with 'dsm'.... They fired him....(undisclosed reasons) lol...
Since he die nothing...
Make up Ur own opinion
He actually just won Tour de Luxembourg.
….if something smells fishy it usually is…this wasnt within the ‘normal’ boundries and should of been questioned a long time before…
Missed this one DR. Obvious today’s video YT algo took me to this. Did he use a motor Fabian or not ? No hate. Just want to know.
Honestly the individuals on here that can’t see that a motor was used here is unbelievable……. A smoother path ??
He was cramping ?? GTFO
I’ve seen WAY to many classics - this is straight bullshit
mechjuice
At 11:30 Cancellara uses his right index finger to press a small button underneath the right shifter- just where the shifter meets the handlebars- to activate a motor capable of delivering >100 watts for short periods.
And this is when he drops Boonen, effortlessly.
We were watching this one from the roadside back then.
One of the most important clues is how he had his "mechanic" at several points in a stage ready to take his bike and give him a new one, even though there was nothing wrong with his bike. This was seen several times within stages and the same person was always there to do the bike swap and take his old bike away. I guarantee that's what he was doing having someone take the used bike away so that person would remove the seat post battery, remove the wires to the bottle and then bring that bike back to the end of the stage to put back into the team car. This way the UCI would be checking a normal bike. Mechanical doping can be done only with a trusted mechanic since he has to hide the bike, bring it back to the end of the stage to the team bus, remove the bottom bracket, seat post, seat post motor, make it look legit and then put that bike back into the team car in case UCI officials check the bikes at the end of the stage. The key here is the first bike on the start does not have a motor, it is the bike switch where the e-bike comes into the picture. UCI was not checking for hidden motors for many years, so TT's and other races could have hidden motors used if used wisely no one would ever know. The arrogance of Fabian is what seals his fate on using motors, using them going uphill or blowing away from a pack of riders is idiotic and anyone with 1 eye can see what he is doing.
exactly what they did...sucks man normal people cant even dream of being a great bike rider anymore with all these cheats....life is just full of cheaters who cheat too win.
This shit is hilarious. Between the Aussie slang and the biker slang, this dude barely speaks English. Hahaha. Great channel.
I read an article about Boonen on that race, And he said he Cramped during the moment Cancelara dropped him 🤔
First he picked a smoother path, the edge has more evenly paved stone. Second he is on high cadence, which later on in cycling more and more rider used the high cadence riding. Third he is on the newest wheels at the time, a carbon 303, later known as the best all around wheels for many years. Of course he stay in saddle for the most part of the climb, this is indeed more efficient on long climb.
All those variables and they're riding at the same speed and then suddenly he's 10 meters ahead. Nope
@@NickAtkins What you say means nothing. For all one can tell is that Cancellara just maintained his cadence, whereas Boonen weakened. You see what you want to see, proves zip.
Can you imagine that. I cannot imagine that. Sprinting into bottom ascent for position. I cannot imagine that. Pro is insane level. A lot of energy here DR
Was boonen fan maar Cancellara was toen frisser en sterker meer op souplesse dan stompen.eerlijk eraf gereden mijn gedacht en is daarna en daarvoor meer gebeurt altijd met moterke zeker.we konden het gewoon niet aanvaarden dat onze Boonen minder was.
Not 1 cut. Bravo!
nice video brother
i think its a strong chance there was a motor here.... watching the effort Tom was sprinting hard out of the saddle on the climb focused just on holding the wheel but Fabian was still just sitting on the saddle there and opening up a huge gap on him at the very same time... and Tom was not really bonking that bad because he still held off the rest of the race by quite a large margin after being dropped there on the climb and then riding alone for 15k more to the finish in those cold conditions... if Tom was really just dropping off from being bonked he probably wouldnt have also so easily held off group 2 over the last part of the race...
Comment of someone who didn't even listen to the commentator of the video. Or preferred to ignore it.
You should do a video about pro riders on wide smooth streets just crashing out of races. Lots of videos on that
Did boonen have less gears?
Of flitser Fabian was relaxed on his Motorbike lmfao
I hate to admit it because im a lemond fan but this analysis was far better & seems to get the math Right, ie no moto this time, gears & cadence climbed that hill & built that gap.
Motor
That's true, Boonen also dropped the entire peloton. Cancellara only gained 1:15; Boonen gained about the same on Gilbert, while giving up at some point. No big deal given that solo wins are frequent.
1 CANCELLARA Fabian Saxo Bank 6:25:56
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BOONEN Tom 1:15
3
GILBERT Philippe 2:11
motorman
Spartacus!
I'm cancellera forever😍
I can watch you ramble on for hours! great TH-cam channel and wish you would do a video about how to ge 2, 4 and 6 minute Strava segments
Great idea! :)
11:44. Bye bye, cadence up diff level. I couldn’t do nothing.
He pushed the little button on his right grip and off he went....
I completely agree with your analysis. I have no doubt that pros used motors to some extent in this era, but it's never made sense to me that someone so intelligent as Fabian would use a motor at such an obvious moment. This is why one has to watch an entire race in order to properly understand a crucial part of it, especially near the end. Thanks for the great work!
Sweet vid. Keep it up DR. Lantern temporarily burnt out. DR back on it.
Thanks mate :)
Nobody is burnt out. ALL of use don't upload as much as we should.
@@DurianriderCyclingTips yes and yes. LR one hell of a talent btw . I can see his need kick back post Vuelta. The lad did all the Grandies from Brissy. Massive missing sleep alert. At 43 I’m not sure I could do more than a week of 5 am bed times. 3am all good. Loads energy but While 5am for 48 days most days , Christ.
agreed no motor - cookie man is salty
Then explain why Cancellera changed bikes 3 times in that race and did not have a single visible flat? 😀
@@ivanboesky1520Are flat tyres the ONLY reason someone ever changes a bike? “Guy changes bike, only explanation is it must have a concealed motor!” 🤦🏼♂️😂
Do you remember what e-bikes looked like just a few years ago?!
Even now the readily available concealed motor system available for road bikes puts out a maximum of an extra 110wats… in 2023! Cancelara’s attack was clearly more than that. People and their conspiracy theories.
vrooom
Proper bikes/components. Proper length socks and shorts. Proper watts.......
14.25 doing it easy. Have lunch. Little smile. Zero fatigue. How. How. How. How.
It's a motor. You can tell on one single viewing!
Hi Durian, please make a reaction video to the 1994 Flech Wallone, where the dr ferrari test tubes destroy the entire peloton . I believe this race changed the sport and more teams start jumping into the high octane.
You mean orange juice?
@@nutella7891 yes
Edgar?
motor !!!!
You didn't seem to understand the tactics of Breschel vs Boonen. Let me explain: You don't get any pace - and certainly you don't get "dragged up the hill" by sitting on the wheel at those very low speeds on the steep hills, but what you do get is to burn one of your matches if you try to follow someone at let's just say 160 bpm heartbeat, while Cancellara sits back at 145 bpm on the same hill. Hit Boonen with that treatment on 4-5 hills ends up tiring the guy so he can't follow Cancellara the first, second or third time Cancellara hits 160 bpm. You see?
BTW: It's sort of the same tactics as we saw in the 2022 Tour when Pogacar had to follow the attacks of both Vingegaard and Roglic on the Galibier on the way to the Granon finish. Pogacar used a few too many matches doing that.
This video is the best 🤣 man v. motorcycle
"Mandingo on a...freshman.." lols
Motor..100% sure...was his 4th bike btw which was in fact ihis 2nd he took back(that had "issues) makes no sense
Motor! As LeMond has hinted...the watts drop and cadence increases! No way man!
In 2010?! Do you remember what e-bikes looked like just a few years ago?! 😂
Even now the readily available concealed motor system available for road bikes puts out a maximum of an extra 110wats… in 2023! Cancelara’s attack was clearly more than that. Too many tin hat theories kicking around.
@@Mockle07
@@papalegba6796
@@Mockle07 every trend in pro cycling for the last 25 years is proof, if you know how racing works. Also, the fact that hundreds of pro cyclists have been caught cheating, including using motors, is not a conspiracy theory, only a SHILL would claim it is.
Boonen is not bonking. If he was he would barely be able to go up the climb. He is still putting power in the pedals. Your argument falls flat
This is a true sign of motor dope hehehehehe
Right on assessment. Boonen himself admitted to being on the verge of cramping. I was fortunate enough to have handled Cancellara’s bikes immediately after a few races- I was a videographer for Cervelo- he always rode normal team bikes. He’s a proud man and a motor would be disgusting to him. Also, the team mechanics would have nothing to do with this malarkey. They would talk and there’d be no secret any more. I am 100% certain that there was no motor ever under Cancellara.
How can you be so sure that the mechanics wouldn't talk? Also, I guess that one can't spot an hidden motor so easily, or as a videographer you could inspect the inside of the bikes?
Hardly breathing because the motor is doing the job. E-bike boy ftw😂
Finally someone with some common sense and good observation skill. It's clear from the footage that boonen is exhausted since 44 km to go when cancellara attacks. Then if you consider the fact that cancellara is a timetrial specialist that worked for the shleck brothers in the mountains, it's not a surprise that he drops boonen, which is a sprinter, on a hill .
Look how Cancellara is riding carbon aero wheels and Boonen is riding your classic aluminum rim. Cancellara is going to be riding probably around 20 W to 30 W less the entire race. It adds up.
Ulrich in Andorra, adding up though?
Hey anything is possible one can suppose but heres the real bit...first thing you notice, even before the attack is what an absolute joke of a wheelset boonen is riding on. Bet they were the lightest aluminum wheels he could find. Must have been softer than dog poop as soon as they hit the large stones. Man is sitting in front at a higher cadience on probably a full carbon fiber finishing kit. Its not hard to feel the difference when you go from alloy to full carbon rims, seat and seatpost, you'd gap former efforts in such a fashion.
He is a great rider.....but climbing cobbles are not his specialty....look at the tour when he was in yellow and the first little hill he got dropped hard....
When you look at strade bianchi this year, could say the same about mvdp, my position is that if one guy is using a motor they all are, same with the doping
Mandingo on a freshman eh. Its so wrong you have to laught
And yet NO-ONE has been caught apart from one CX rider 6 years ago?! 🤔😂 People love a conspiracy theory.
14 years ago e bikes were not in the public mind or domain but the tech was there, like electric cars were around in the 1890's, and FC changed his bike 3X due to flat batteries in the race.@@Mockle07
You can spot electric bikes from a mile away. Soft pedalling, low cadence, disproportionate speed. That's exactly how Cancellara looks going up that hill. The more people is convinced of cheating, the more a champion one is, unless cheating
Fabian the scam.
Maybe an engine somewhere ?😂
He's on a prototype E-bike hence the late bike change, extreme spinning without getting out of the saddle. Cancellarra never rode like that before or after
In 2010?! Do you remember what e-bikes looked like just a few years ago?! 😂
Even now the readily available concealed motor system available for road bikes puts out a maximum of an extra 110wats… in 2023! Cancelara’s attack was clearly WAY more than that. Too many tin hat theories kicking around.
Wow …..amazing !!…… it’s almost as if the bike was robotic….. ya know like it was being pedaled by a machine 🤔
Ofcourse that jerk used a motor; to drop Boonen that way…..No Way!,…what a jerk
Luigi mouth shut
Mechanical doping (cheating) perhaps!?
Wow... Here's a lot to grasp. "TH-cam-pundit", who can't make out why Breschel is riding in red and white. Doesn't understand why Breschel is "pacing" Boonen - he's not. He's posing a threat that Boonen has to deal with at that stage of the race. On Koppenberg with 70 to go, you can't let that rider go free. These are the basics of that specific race. Clearly commenting on a race in a legendary area that you quite obviously don't know. "Analysis"? Horsesh%t.
Fabian juicing beyond belief.
allahu akbar harley wats up
thanks for the video hope you enjoy your seasonal changing !!!
and thanks for all the other videos and the vibe of GET SHIT DONE/TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF
read his ebook guys :-)
Boonen with fat triceps
they all use ufo powers imho. bigest ufo wins.
you are a shill, this is mechjuice
MAD (COMMENTATOR) LIVES IN SOME WEIRD WORLD OF OVER ANALYTICAL - LOVES THE SOUND OF HIS ANNOYING VOICE
Good to see DR debunking the motor conspiracy.
Definitely not clean, beeing aroud Riis
Yeah, you look like a ballerina and are hardly even breathing WHEN YOU HAVE A MOTOR ON YOUR BIKE.
WTF... How are u not doing some serious race broadcasting ........?
E doping bike , he s less moving his shoulders in the climb than on flat ground 😂, Cancellara will only be remembered for that: cheating ! 👎
Could we hear this in English, not verbal diorrhea!
Can't be proved so its a complete waste of time discussing it, additionally its pretty disrespectful to FC... Innocent until proven Guilty
Fabian has a big motor.... inside his bike's frame.
Cancellera = massive doping cheater including here.