Doping Accusations At The Tour de France?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ค. 2023
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In my opinion it is naive to think they are not doping. The science will always be ahead of the testing. Cycling gets a lot of stick for it however I think it is similar in most professional sports. There is so much money, advertising etc as an incentive.
Wout van Aert's comment after the TT - "I am the best of the normal people" - is telling. WVA and Jonas Vongegaard are in the same team so presumably they have the same tech and nutrition plans. Granted that JV has an advantage on a TT with a difficult climb but to beat WVA, one of the best time trialists in the world, by about 3 minutes is simply unbelievable. To put it in context, had JV started immediately after WVA he would have overtaken him and left him out of sight. Also, JV's time in the first 4K - a flat sector where WVA has an advantage - was 20 seconds faster than WVA's, 5 seconds per km faster! Finally, JV's TT performances until about 4 years ago were pretty unremarkable.
Jonas has been coming since 3 yrs ago. No doping here. It’s pure dedication and hard work. Pure jealousy from a lot of fans who think Pog should be winning everything. Laughable
People have completely misunderstood doping if they believe that a cyclist can be doped for one stage, have a missive spiky effect and not get tested positive. EPO takes weeks to affect and the biological passports is designed to trigger big changes in red blood cell levels. And thereby detecting blood doping. The point is that if Vingegaard was doped you should not view the stage 16 in isolation but look at the 15 stages before it as well. Here Pogacar was just as strong eventhough he weights 6 kilos more. Vingegaard made the perfect TT lets celebrate it.
Look, this is not a knock on the cyclist, but you'd be naive to think it's not happening. But look at the money, especially in cycling. It isn't so good in comparison to other pro sports, and if you're not winning, you're not eating so well, and part of the problem is us, the fans and viewers, we love our winners, want nothing less. And please don't say tech has made this big a difference, that's for the history haters and Kool-Aid drinkers..
I’m a Tadi fan but watching Jonas make his way around the TT course and one could easily see his technique alone was beyond Tadi, put that with obvious prep for the TT shown through. Not doping ❤
I give him the benefit of the doubt but the Dutch cycle team and Danish riders have a history
While i appreciate you bringing this up, you should at least research the numbers first. The assumptions made for the 7,6w/kg was proven wrong almost a week ago. And again, it's assumptions which were made by a twitter user, who would not show the calculations, until he got new info about bikeweight, aerodynamics and training.
It is naive to think that everybody is doping. Not EVERYBODY is a doper. Go watch chess if you think every single athlete is a cheater.
The most impressive thing about UCI world tour road cyclist is how none of them talks about whats really going on.
The technology advancement argument falls down on the basis that everyone has access to it. There is still plenty of ‘gear’ used in cycling, the extent to which a particular rider makes use of it depends on the balance of risk and reward-win The Tour versus not win The Tour.
Pointing the finger at one rider, or even a handful is pointless. All the competitive ones are doped. Without question. Been that way for at least 70 years. All the winners of big races have been doped for over 100 years. It's impossible to be clean and competitive in this environment. It's biologically impossible.
Jonus wasn't primed as a child to be a cyclist. He was working in a fish factory two years ago. He was a part time rider. One thing he did have is a brand new blank Blood Passport which they good wangle to have an extremely doped base level. New riders don't have a past passport history so they can dope then get tested to have a high base level.
Brilliant video and discussion. I absolutely agree with your colleague Francis, the salient point is in what Vingegard said "I haven't used anything Illegal". As Armstrong said years ago it was a level playing field regrading doping, they all did it. Nowadays, as you rightly say, the top level cyclists will take all the 'legal' stuff to get an edge, beetroot juice, asthma inhalers (Wiggins) and new stuff that hasn't been classified illegal yet. However,, let's not forget the unbelievable effort that these riders put in all year round even with the 'extras'. 😎🚴♂️ Frank Miele, Benissa Spain.
Unfortunately we saw this stories, exceptional bla bla bla. If it is out of the charts then what's the doubt regarding "exogenous" assistance?
So how does one rider LEGALLY perform so much better (about 90 seconds better over such a short TT distance) than the ten or fifteen other hugely talented riders who the talent to win that stage? Some possibilities:
A few ex pros have stated that Vingegaard's TT was more the result of Pogacar's more cautious descending and a time consuming bike change. Also, Pogacar's disastrous performance on the following mountain stage, where he lost several minutes, suggests that his relatively poor TT was also a hint that he was seriously running out of steam after some aggressive attacking on earlier stages.
Tapentadol is not specifically listed as a banned substance by the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA). However, as an opioid analgesic, its use by athletes is subject to strict regulations. WADA's Prohibited List includes certain classes of substances that are banned in competition, including narcotics, but not all opioids are explicitly mentioned.
I feel all of what you talk about, and the only other tour winner we had in Denmark ended up being doped, so I don't want vingegaard to be doped, BUT, I also feel like with all the advances made in technology, being doped and then beating the opposition like that would be monumentally stupid.
I think the main problem cycling actually has with this is multifaceted.