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Great question and a very clear answer! It is very helpful to distinguish and therefore know how to interact with the world as one of the many Jivas vs internal investigation as ka Jiva. Thank you, Michael 🙏
To me, Bhagavan's teaching on ego has always seemed the opposite of solipsism: John Doe's real nature and mine is the same. In other words, John Doe is one of the numerous manifestations of mine. And I as a person named Yaroslav am just one of the many manifestations of mine -- just like the said John Doe is.
the way i see it, solipsism is just an approach, a conceptual tool allowing us to discriminate between ego and ... presence. Going into the very loneliness of solipsism, staying in it for a while, and then beginning to realize that even that loneliness is not true bcs it is felt by ego. I suppose it helps seeing the content of our mind as purely relative, like the elements of a fiction. Ultimately it helps understand that we are in fact "empty" (of mental contents and activity). How? God's mysterious ways... the truth is that i don't have the answer to that question, bcs it's not an "how", like "how it works", it's something that eventualy happens: you spent time feeling appart from others, no connection, alone in your self, nothing moves you, nobody touches you... and then at some point you eventually come at the conclusion that this very sad and barren state just can't be true. It's just not possible, it cannot be the truth, the truth cannot be that. You know it intuitively. And then the words of Ramana begins to resonate: "loneliness is a mental function". Finally the solipsism could be seen as an unvolontary tapas, a painful state of mental loneliness wich leads to some grace given teachings. Well, just some words...
So are we just pure awareness jumping through different "false " realms of existence appearing within this one awareness which our seemingly seperate little egos call mind?
Ego is awareness’s mechanism of experience. In order to find yourself first you must lose yourself isn’t it? Experience itself needs a form in order to become the experiencer. Is this some kind of mistake that the ego needs to correct? No, the spiritual path is just the experiencer realizing that it is itself also what is being experienced
Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi, talk no. 534: Bhagavan: Jiva is called so because he sees the world. A dreamer sees many jivas in a dream, but all of them are not real. The dreamer alone exists and he sees all. So it is with the individual and the world. There is the creed of only one Self, which is also called the creed of only one jiva. It says that the jiva is the only one who sees the whole world and the jivas therein Ramana did teach that there is only one perceiving mind, the dreamer can only take one body in the dream or in the waking state… This avatar so to is also a dream projection of the one mind, though it is the only one having an apparent experience. If any of you are actually cognizant this message then the teaching is deception, no matter how it is explained. If not, then you all are forms this dream body is perceiving but have no reality of their own outside of my direct perception. Is it not?
well im definitely here and conscious, independent of you lol. im in germany, where u at ? :D i guess ramanas intention with this teaching was to turn your focus within, away from the world. to regard the world as illusory so that you can lose your attachment to it ? idk man but it def didnt help me with enlightenment, it only caused an existential crisis lol. i guess the issue is that this particular phrase was relevant for only that very one of his aspirants that he told it to. but now with the internet and whatever, so many people are coming across messages that were never intended for them, taking them as truth and it only ends up causing confusion
We are all only the one Self, but our individual jivas are all like individual eyes the Self looks at itself through. We each think we are the jiva but we’re all just the same one Self. The false identity with the jiva/body/individuality/form is the problem according to Ramana. It’s like Upasni Maharaj used to say: “You have to kill your jiva to attain that state of Shiva.” Or like Ramana said, “You have to get rid of ‘I’, ‘me’, and ‘mine’.”
Michael, if you yourself are conscious. Then when you dream, do the others in your dream have thinking minds? Do they see you too? Of course not, so if the waking state be the same as the dream state how can you or anyone else be having even the delusion of a separate experience, since you are not Jiva/ego/person perceiving this video and writing this? The entire teaching of Ek Jiva is a contradiction in terms unless the one writing this is the only Jiva who is projecting the world (and this dream body typing this).
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👋 BOOK ANNOUNCEMENT & FREE SAMPLE: Michael and Sandra announced in the Q&A video on 5th August 2023 the book launch ‘Ramana Maharshi’s Forty Verses on What Is - The ultimate truth on being as you actually are’: th-cam.com/video/5Um4S63wClc/w-d-xo.html
🎁 A free book sample is available (includes ‘Introduction by Michael James’) on u.pcloud.link/publink/show?code=XZol6NVZvajJMSyzNgz6hM4lY75mkzrbjgY7
The book is available as book and e-book through Amazon.
Namo Ramanaya
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Precious content. Very subtle and deep.
Very very fine explanation Michael Sir, thanks🙏 a lot.
So wonderful! Such a gift these videos on Ramana Maharshi! Thanks a lot
Consciousness' mind wake is jeeva and worldbeing itself.
Thanks for the question and the great answer!
Great question and a very clear answer! It is very helpful to distinguish and therefore know how to interact with the world as one of the many Jivas vs internal investigation as ka Jiva. Thank you, Michael 🙏
Very nice, many thanks.
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How to quiet our mind
To me, Bhagavan's teaching on ego has always seemed the opposite of solipsism: John Doe's real nature and mine is the same. In other words, John Doe is one of the numerous manifestations of mine. And I as a person named Yaroslav am just one of the many manifestations of mine -- just like the said John Doe is.
the way i see it, solipsism is just an approach, a conceptual tool allowing us to discriminate between ego and ... presence. Going into the very loneliness of solipsism, staying in it for a while, and then beginning to realize that even that loneliness is not true bcs it is felt by ego. I suppose it helps seeing the content of our mind as purely relative, like the elements of a fiction. Ultimately it helps understand that we are in fact "empty" (of mental contents and activity).
How? God's mysterious ways... the truth is that i don't have the answer to that question, bcs it's not an "how", like "how it works", it's something that eventualy happens: you spent time feeling appart from others, no connection, alone in your self, nothing moves you, nobody touches you... and then at some point you eventually come at the conclusion that this very sad and barren state just can't be true. It's just not possible, it cannot be the truth, the truth cannot be that. You know it intuitively. And then the words of Ramana begins to resonate: "loneliness is a mental function".
Finally the solipsism could be seen as an unvolontary tapas, a painful state of mental loneliness wich leads to some grace given teachings.
Well, just some words...
So are we just pure awareness jumping through different "false " realms of existence appearing within this one awareness which our seemingly seperate little egos call mind?
@bernhard1071then who experienced the falsehood of ego to say that?
Pure awareness clearly does experience
Ego is awareness’s mechanism of experience. In order to find yourself first you must lose yourself isn’t it? Experience itself needs a form in order to become the experiencer. Is this some kind of mistake that the ego needs to correct? No, the spiritual path is just the experiencer realizing that it is itself also what is being experienced
Namo Ramanay!
Will Karma of dream during sleep be cultivated in upcoming dreams only? Or as the dreams are the part of waking state?!!
Karma is for the ego
How to quiet our mind plse reply
Welcome the storm without attaching to it
Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi, talk no. 534:
Bhagavan: Jiva is called so because he sees the world. A dreamer sees many jivas in a dream, but all of them are not real. The dreamer alone exists and he sees all. So it is with the individual and the world. There is the creed of only one Self, which is also called the creed of only one jiva. It says that the jiva is the only one who sees the whole world and the jivas therein
Ramana did teach that there is only one perceiving mind, the dreamer can only take one body in the dream or in the waking state… This avatar so to is also a dream projection of the one mind, though it is the only one having an apparent experience.
If any of you are actually cognizant this message then the teaching is deception, no matter how it is explained. If not, then you all are forms this dream body is perceiving but have no reality of their own outside of my direct perception.
Is it not?
well im definitely here and conscious, independent of you lol. im in germany, where u at ? :D i guess ramanas intention with this teaching was to turn your focus within, away from the world. to regard the world as illusory so that you can lose your attachment to it ? idk man but it def didnt help me with enlightenment, it only caused an existential crisis lol. i guess the issue is that this particular phrase was relevant for only that very one of his aspirants that he told it to. but now with the internet and whatever, so many people are coming across messages that were never intended for them, taking them as truth and it only ends up causing confusion
We are all only the one Self, but our individual jivas are all like individual eyes the Self looks at itself through. We each think we are the jiva but we’re all just the same one Self. The false identity with the jiva/body/individuality/form is the problem according to Ramana. It’s like Upasni Maharaj used to say: “You have to kill your jiva to attain that state of Shiva.” Or like Ramana said, “You have to get rid of ‘I’, ‘me’, and ‘mine’.”
Michael, if you yourself are conscious. Then when you dream, do the others in your dream have thinking minds? Do they see you too? Of course not, so if the waking state be the same as the dream state how can you or anyone else be having even the delusion of a separate experience, since you are not Jiva/ego/person perceiving this video and writing this? The entire teaching of Ek Jiva is a contradiction in terms unless the one writing this is the only Jiva who is projecting the world (and this dream body typing this).
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