Why Germany hasn't taken down its Soviet monuments
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The Soviet Union is not Russia, history should be preserved regardless of what happens in the future. The soldiers that the monument is for, died long ago and have nothing to do with the current war in Ukraine.
The attrocities those soilders caused are enough to blow them up.
Are you kidding me? They literally put a wall between fellow Germans and forbid them to see their family in the west. Every single Soviet monument needs to go.
And many of those Soviet soldiers committed atrocities.
@@Hatypus really... These statues are from WW2...
@@skintd3712 yes… and they mass raped and hurt German women and children during the entire time of their occupation…
For me, these monuments are a really good reminder to why war sucks and so on
exept for the treptower park one
IT LOOKS TO FASCIST
This is the most important thing to remember.
russia has all the monuments, didn't stop them from becoming a fascist state.
@Joshua Isgrigg "Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy."
pootin is a dictator, russia is a centralized autocracy, russia pretends to be about "friendship and multinationalism", but the truth is they are disgustingly nationalistic people with delusions of superiority over "lesser people". russians are militaristic, pootin's regime suppresses any opposition and freedom of speech, russian soldiers are sent to be slaughtered in Ukraine "for the good of russian nation". russia literally is a textbook definition fascist state.
Hey here in the USA our little socialists and communists run around and rip down the statues
Did those guys forget who those soldiers were fighting 💀
The 9 million civilians from 1945 to 1950 weren't soldiers
Communists were evil too buddy
IF YOU FORGET HISTORY, HISTORY WILL REPEAT ITSELF!!!
Did you forget how the Soviets invaded other countries and killed innocents?
USSR vs USSR
Those are SOVIET memorials, not Russian. The Soviets consisted of Russians, but also Ukrainians, Kazakhs, Uzbeks, Ethnic Siberians. While it is a symbol of oppression in many countries, its original meaning should never be forgotten, the fight against Fascism and also as respect to the millions that died in the war. " BuT ThE SoviETs comMiTTeD Atrocities. "And the Germans didn't? The Americans? The Italians? The British? If you want to be a goody two shoes during WW2 it is practically impossible (I'm Indonesian just incase somebody uses the argument that Americans are budding their nose in everything)
Another wise man of common sense
@@davidf2118 It depends on what its meaning is. If for example the Dutch statue represents all the victims of their losses in WWII, but also a symbol of oppression, then I would be against the destruction of the statue, because it was not its original meaning. That said, if this were to happen in real life I doubt many of the people would agree with me
@@trr3920How many polish or canadian statues are în germany ?
All soviet monuments are a simbol of occupation , only the russians care about them , you will never see lithuanisns or azerbaijanis cry for this monuments
you not sigma goofy 9 year old soviet kid@@stalin5267
Ukraine was not a Soviet state by choice
The soviet monuments don't just depict the sacrifice of Russians. They depict the sacrifices of Ukrainians, Kazakhs, Armenians etc. They fought against Nazism which was a noble and righteous cause. Dismantling these monuments is hugely shameful and disrespectful to the struggle waged by millions of people. We would NOT of been able to win WW2 without their sacrifice.
For some reason Muscovites don’t really like to bring that up unless there’s talk about destroying those monuments, then all of a sudden they try to garner sympathy from other nations who suffered under their regime in WW2.
The Soviets didnt fight anoble cause, they raped murdered and forcfully removed 16 Million germans from theire homes.
In Latvias case, that monument wasnt for preserving history. It was glorifying the occupation of Latvia and subsequent attrocities commited upon the locals. The monument is literally called monument for the "liberators" of soviet Latvia. For preserving history we have countless museums and memorials. We dont need a monument that glorifies what attrocities have been commited against us.
@@lastnamefirstname7321 excuse me while i try to comprehend what i just witness
@@lastnamefirstname7321 most of the leaders are not even russian
If we destroy the past we can't learn for the future.
True
That doesn't mean build a fuxking monument for them
On a different note, sucks seeing people give crimea to ukraine on a modern map. I support ukraine as well, it just isnt the truth
Why did they demolish the yatzi monuments though? Maybe because the saved daeth camps were enough for remembering the past. Maybe the same should be done in russia as well. They have plenty of gulag camps destroyed so that nobody could say it was really true. But they preserve the monuments instead, and so does Germany, sadly
Forgetting the past deprives of the future. False history makes one stuck in the past
Tell the American government that when they tore down monuments we can learn from
Country of origin doesn't matter, a soldier is a soldier, and they ALL deserve to be remembered.
Tell that to the millions of German women that were raped by soviet forces.
Yet there are no statues to German soldiers in Berlin.
It’s awful how a country has monuments glorifying their enemies and occupiers but no statue for German soldiers who defended.
The soviet monument should be removed
the german soldiers too, but there is not a single monument in Berlin
@@punishedgloyperstormtroope8098 facts
Have u seen any German soldier memorial from Normandy to Moscow 😂😂
I personally think they should be left alone and preserved. Me and my family lived In the Soviet Union for years and lost a lot of family. If we can’t appreciate them with a statue, then how? From were I am , monuments have a strong effect on us as that is were we play games, sing in choirs, and give thanks. But also, Russia is not USSR, Ukraine was apart of it too. Talking that down won’t do any good, actually maybe more harm. And over all, they are grand monuments and are a part of history that should be preserved, just like the Pyramids of Giza.
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First reasonable opinion.
Taking down red army memorials is a spit in the face to the hundreds of thousands of ukrainians in the red army
The statue is in Germany not Russia
The statue glorifies the oppression rape and occupation of the German people.
It must be removed
No Ukraine didn’t support the red army they were conscripted
This stupid Russian statue isn’t comparable to the historic ancient and incredible pyramids of giza
Don't destroy memorials of those soldiers who fought for freedom.
Those heroes have nothing to do with this war.
Let them rest in peace.
Says a dude with Z on
They fought for bolshevism, tear them down. Also, they raped and destroyed their way trough eastern Germany.
freedom!? Under STALIN!!!? ARE YOU SH*TING ME!!?
Soviets didn't fought for freedom. They fought for the dictatorship of Stalin, who murdered millions of people.
Ussr was not a freedom at all. I would say they fought against invasion. But keep in mind, Stalin also planned expansion/invasion to Europe. And he just managed to take half of Poland, before his friend Adi betrayed him
In WW2 7 million Ukrainians fought and died for the Soviet army and now people want to destroy them for Ukraine 😂
Those men were conscripted they had no choice
1921 the Soviet invaded Ukraine in a brutal war and in the 30’s the Soviets do a genocide the Germans liberated it for a bit and then lost it to the Soviets
8 million ukrainians also starved because of the soviet union 🤣
@@wolfstahl728source?
Ikr
@@wolfstahl728 6 million Indians died too
The USSR was an entirely different country than Russia, it was just on the same land
It’s the same country
@@flyingchimp12 he probably means that in modern Russia there are now completely different ideas, different people. Those people who were ready to give their lives for the idea of universal equality, communism, have died or are dying. The new generations are completely different people.
This opinion exists. But the modern USA is also different from the USA of the 20-30s. Maybe not as much as modern Russia differs from the USSR, but still. In fact, I think that ordinary people in Russia have not changed that much. And perhaps in the future they will return to socialism anyway.
@@julia_fitzit’s the same
@@punishedgloyperstormtroope8098nah the soviets are on the opposite side of the political spectrum when compared to modern day Russia. They’re not exactly “the same”
@@Cartoonnetworkisamazing what? No they are not
Putin is left wing, the only difference between the Soviet Union and Russian federation is Russia is an autocracy
The last time Germany started tearing down monuments they were preparing their culture for WW2. Historical monuments should never be destroyed, good or bad we must remember where we came from, either to be encouraged by it or to learn from it and never repeat our past mistakes. I view the destruction of monuments to be no different from book burning.
The soviet monuments people want taken down are statues of authoritarian dictators, eg. Stalin.
Nobody wants the memorials of soldiers taken down. The video is misinformation.
Why they removed swastikas? History should be preserved right?
Don't forget communism did worse things.
@@Rum-grandpa😂😂😂😂 good counterpoint to 99% of the comments😂😂😂
What's with this weak "history needs to be preserved agrument"? relating to statues. People and books teach history, statues don't teach history, they highlight or glorify parts of history.
Wait, wait, wait, hold up, if we are thinking to destroy Soviet monuments because Russia attacked Ukraine, why don’t we take down American statues too, as the have attacked more countries?
Yeah or literally all german statues because of austrian painter guy
we are thinking of destroying comunist monuments because comunists are terrorists. Learn the history
@@PortlandSucksssyou forgot about iraq, and the middle east war that had war crimes committed by the “good guys”
@@cohengamertv6548it's not a war crime the first time
@@cohengamertv6548Are there American statues in the middle East numbnuts?
These are monuments to soldiers who contributed to the end of WW2. Sacred.
Yep, this is the argument for keeping the monument.
Yes, very sacred. Where would eastern Europe be without the Soviet oppression. Think of Katyń and later the execution of Polish home army soldiers.
And yet to the Germans it's the statue of the unknown rapist. Poland, Yugoslavia, etc, also have similar thoughts with the red army. Would you like to have a picture of the man who raped your grandmother in your living room?
Sacred to people like you maybe. I would have no 2nd thought about erasing them and everything else soviet and Russian
@@kingofracism I am sure you wouldn't - I find that to be a very short sighted view. History can only be learned from if it is taught.
The Soviet Union liberated Germany and ended Nazim in the world. You cannot just wipe off history. It's a fact and live with it.
They didn't "liberate" Germany, they conquered it for brutal Bolshevism.
'liberated'? just like eastern europe? They subjugated eastern europe until 1989 when eastern europe was finally liberated
Liberated Germany?
Through rape?
Germany didn’t want your “liberation”
Germans would rather be free and independent instead of under Russian occupation and brutality
Liberated what a Joke
If everyone got offended by every small thing in their past and destroyed their statues and evidence of their past, there would be no history at all. People are so immature, seriously. Grow up, they are just statues and monuments of the past not of the present or future. If you are so offended by keeping statues of their pasts and believe they are keeping it alive becausr of that you have more problems than can be helped.
Friend and comrade, statues are not how we teach history, statues are how we honor history and remind ourselves of history. Sometimes its how we glorify and re-write history.
If the only way we learned history was through statues we wouldn't know anything about ancient civilizations.
Plus, the soviet war memorials arent really the statues coming under fire, it's the statues commemorating the building of the berlin wall, the statues disrespecting the German dead, and the statues commemorating when a hated soviet politician graced the Germans with his presence. Those are the main statues the germans want gone.
@@n8zog584I guess we should paint murals of Dresden on your house instead, huh?
well-said.
The Baltic states seriously do not like Russia. You must understand that to understand why they removed the monuments.
Yes, "small things" as raping and killing tens of thousands of German girls and women and occupying East Germany for 45 years.
Many, many of those Soviet soldiers being commemorated were Ukrainian. God, the one with the chap knelt over brings tears to my eyes its so moving
You do realize, that Ukraine destroyed most of their own Soviet monuments, and betrayed all those ancestors who died in WW2, right?
@@azzazel225 the govt, not most of ukrainians
They opressed europe 💀
@@karantikoo9302 the most of people in Ukraine hate Stalinist doctatorship and its shitty monuments, soviets are red fascists. Until you understand that, there're will be genocides like today in Ukraine and around the whole world.
@@azzazel225 they removed bcz it was memory of thier occupation by soviet union, they respect the fallen soldiers thier own way they don't need soviet for that
History should be preserved whether politics or religion.
In Latvias case, that monument wasnt for preserving history. It was glorifying the occupation of Latvia and subsequent attrocities commited upon the locals. The monument is literally called monument for the "liberators" of soviet Latvia. For preserving history we have countless museums and memorials.
@@Julio_Tortillia still history
@@Hassan10z Calling soviet occupiers liberators is not history. Its a attempt to distort history.
@@Julio_Tortillia anything that happened in the past is history. Whether good or bad.
@@Julio_Tortillia bro occupying or not its still a history u cant delete it do you think that british colonial destroy all colonial monument?
Since when has the USSR been the same thing as Russia
The second it formed from the ashes of the Russian Empire.
@@prestonjones1653 I’m not talking about the Russian empire, but even if I was they still aren’t the same thing
Russia is the successor state to the USSR and was the dominant entity within the USSR. Saying they are not the same is intellectually dishonest.
@@tpkdm71exactly these people are pretending to be experts
@@tpkdm71 not just Russia, but Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan etc were all Soviet successor state.
I have had the fortunate chance to actually visit the Treptower park and it is magnificent, the monument is ginormous and it doesn’t feel like you are in a big city like Berlin. Historically speaking both from Germany and Russia’s side innocent civilians were killed and families torn apart due to a war and later a wall. This monument is a memorial for those who gave their lives to fight for what they thought was right, we should respect these places even if they are from the perspective that we have never had they still mean a lot to others.
They are simbol of russian occupation who exist only în East Germany, and from all the ex soviet countries only russians care about them
We are seriously discussing to destroy monuments, like Isis did, and that we used as propaganda against them. If you don't respect history and learn it you're doomed to repeat it.
Many people are just hypocrits.
It repeats regardless
@@themizshowful well yeah, since people are ok with stuff like this, means they never opened a book in their life.
Can we also bring up that these monuments are reminders how horrible the government in Moscow can be to its own people?
Tell that to the invaders in Ukraine.
They do realize that Ukraine was a part of USSR?
Because the USSR conquered Ukraine first in a brutal war in the 20’s and then did a genocide in 30’s
@@magicman3163 🤡
@@eliasziad7864 sorry to spit some facts
@@magicman3163 two leaders of ussr was from Ukrainian origin
@@magicman3163 zelensky after sniffing columbian snow be like
Literally "Union of Soviet Socialist Republics", although dominated by Russia, it is not just Russia
Those statues honored not only Russian people but Belarusian, Ukrainian, Baltic states and Central Asia and Siberian who fought under Soviet flag.
It is Russia
@@punishedgloyperstormtroope8098How can it be one Russia if the Soviet Union included several countries? You don’t understand what 1 country and 15-16 countries are? Apparently you don’t know the word «union» or don’t understand its meaning. How stupid do you have to be then? 😑
«At the time of the formation of the USSR in 1922, it included 4 republics. Over time, other countries joined the Soviet Union (after the annexation, the union republics). The maximum number of republics in the USSR was 16, at the time of the collapse in 1991 - 15. And here are the republics that were part of the USSR :
RSFSR. (Russia)
Belorussian SSR.
Ukrainian SSR.
Kazakh SSR (capital - Alma-Ata; the republic has been part of the USSR since 1936).
Uzbek SSR.
Azerbaijan SSR (capital - Baku, part of the USSR since 1920).
Georgian SSR.
Lithuanian SSR (formed in 1940).
Estonian SSR (formed in 1940).
Moldavian SSR (formed in 1940).
Latvian SSR (joined the USSR in 1940).
Kirghiz SSR (capital - the city of Frunze, the republic was formed in 1924).
Tajik SSR (capital - Dushanbe, the republic has been part of the USSR since 1929).
Armenian SSR (formed in 1920).
Turkmen SSR.
@@punishedgloyperstormtroope8098
Georgians and Ukranians dominated Russians in Soviet union 😅
@@imperial_Dragnix lol
But most Ukrainians supported Germany in ww2
It's history. It should be respected and used as teaching tools.
How is a statue going to teach better than a history book?
Umm, people do understand that Russia was just a part of soviet union, as well as Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan and many others. It's not only Russia that participated in WW2 and even if it was, what would that have to do with the current problem? If you're sitting around, changing monuments, while there are actual people dying from the conflict, don't pretend that you care. You would be just disrespecting the soldiers of many nationalities, who fought to protect, not to invade, or support any political ideology, soldiers from more than 80 years ago, who have nothing to do with the current conflict in Ukraine.
They were the center of the Soviet Union, the ones who earned the most from the territories they’ve invaded, the other “members” which they used as their slaves.
They had no problems with killing polish home army soldiers
@@rulerofroombas1443 ukraine was in the ussr
Modern Russia sure does love glorifying the Soviet Union
@@Julio_Tortillia Most of the people i know, aren't really fond of the USSR, and would never want it back. Whatever the case, our opinion about USSR has nothing to do with the people that fought in WW2.
They should be left. As messed up as Russia is now, the sacrifices made to topple Nazism must be remembered for perpetuity. Never again is manifested through such concrete structures.
People seem to forget the misery that the communists brough for 40+ years to eastern europe. Countries like Poland and Romania suffered under it.
@@kronniichiwa9909 WW2 predates Stalin’s atrocities. I have family who were exiled to Central Asia because we’re Korean. Many did not survive the harsh weather being stuffed like cattle and forced to walk to countries like Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan.
@@danpakoman no it doesn’t. Why do you think Ukrainians saw Germans as liberators when they pushed back the Soviets? (Hint: Muscovites invaded their territory, slaughtered people and caused a genocide by famine in the 30s). When was WW2? 1939 to 1945. Learn history better.
@@danpakoman nothing quite like killing polish Intelingestia and then blaming it on the Germans.
@@rulerofroombas1443 That is nothing compared to the atrocities of the German people to wipe out 6 million Jews. Ordinary people just followed orders in what Arendt coined, “The Banality of Evil.” You should go back to basic history.
I'm strongly against the destruction of any monument and symbol.
I think rather than destroying these kinds of structures, if they do want to remove them, they could move them to another area and make a museum with all that material.
Mind you this is very different to the American Civil war confederate monuments. Those should be taken down as they glorify those who fought to preserve slavery. Taking those down is not removing history but rather removing glorification of an evil cause. This here with the Soviet monument is quite different as they fought to rid the world of Nazism/fascism which is a big evil. Their sacrifice should be remembered
I am Malaysian, when I want to visit Germany, thoses places on my list. History should be preserved..
The monuments honors the fallen. In the first place they were people like you and I, forced into a war to defend their families and ideology came afterwards.
My granddad fell near Riga in 1944. Long time his remains could not be detected.
About 7 years ago, we got news that he could be burried on a soldiers' cemetary.
We visited his last place of eternal peace. The cemetary is a wonderful place, if you can say this for a cemetary, it was cared of by Russian descendants .
They showed a lot of respect and understood well, that we had this desire to visit my granddad's grave. And this for a former enemy!
No, keep these memorials to remind of the bitter deaths of so many brave men, victims of their leaders' insane politics!
No destroy it
@@aceman7804 Oh wow so edgy, yet so little knowledge.
You mean Latvian descendents
@@MrRossyBH there are many Latvian citizens of Russian descent. Nevertheless, fallen soldiers stood under command and had the defence of their families and country in mind.
Tear it down. With how many in the red army acted, it is known as the statue of the unknown rapist. Tear it down, and raise a statue of Bismarck or another positive German/Prussian figure in it's place.
"A people that does not know its history has no future"
Great Russian scientist Mikhail Lomonosov
There was also a man who said Ukraine would fall within days.
Can't really trust much that comes out of this country.
@@StrongKickMan
wow you are a really smart guy 🙂
@@StrongKickMan who said it?
People always repeat that, but there is no source. Like at all. Use your brain.
@@LSG101097Nobody in Russia said that Ukraine will fall in 3 days. It was said by an American general during a meeting that allegedly Russia planned to take Kiev in 3 Days but it didn't achieve it's goal now everyone is thinking that Putin said that "Ukraine will be destroyed in 3 days".
@@LSG101097 just look for the clips, they were plenty from russian state tv. Simoyan, Solovyev and all that band of clowns said it
As a German I find it disturbing that Eastern Countries are tearing down memorials.
As a human being I find it disturbing that there are still Germans.
I live in the UK, my city actually got a decent statue of Engles from Ukraine. A village had been ordered to remove it, so they took it down and just put it away for storage.
Juno forwards two few decades and my city was looking to commemorate Engles, due to his time spent here as well as the works he wrote whine here (Conditions of the Woking Class in England, as well as working with Marx to write the Communist Manifesto). It was looking a bit expensive to make a whole new statue, so we asked a village in Ukraine if we could take theirs and they said sure.
Win win!
Why are there no monuments to German soldiers?
@@punishedgloyperstormtroope8098 Because we are still occupied.
@@kommissarvalkyre2054Is there a party in Germany that wants the nation to be self independent.I’ve noticed how everything the USA does Germany follows suit even when it’s not in their interests
Fitting as a reminder to Germans to NEVER go on another course of aggression .
Cringe
@@Latvijas_shielaagreed
We certainly don't need these monuments to know that! Have you been asleep for the last decades? Germany will certainly never invade other countries again because we don't want to and because our military is deliberately kept in such a way that it is not even capable of doing so.
Russia and USA might as well get statues in their country as well 😂
@@theskeptic3214Eh, both have never really been conquered in modern times. Maybe one day - although hopefully we can do it peacefully.
All monument should be respected
History is History
Nope monuments glorify something they arent history.
Should we leave confederate statues gloryfying history of slavery?
Not all history is history. Remember the giant swastika at the Nuremberg rally grounds? Yeah, glad that got blown up.
Respect the monuments of victims not the killers.
Unless they are really ugly and have no architectural value... And many of them are a remainder of enslavement.
They should leave them, we have an agreement with the russians they leave german graves and memorials in russia as we leave and preserve that stuff here.
Also not just russia was the soviet union.
The problem is that Russia doesn't keep their end if the agreement. Agreements with Russia are worth less than the paper they are written on.
@@MTobias but keeping ourside of the bargain gives us the moral high ground and we keep treaties; in your face Putin!
@@Balion1976 nobody cares about moral high ground anymore, since everybody just invents their own truths. The Soviets weren't any better than the Naxis, we shouldn't tolerate their monuments.
@@MTobias yes we should, because we agreed to it; we cannot complain Putin breaksall rules and then do the same!
@@Balion1976 that's not how contracts work. If one party breaks it, it is null and void. Therefore it doesn't exist anymore and Germany doesn't have to abide by it anymore.
Man… these Soviet historical Monuments are so beautiful and glorious
the ussr was not just russia but all of the following Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Estonia, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Russia, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Ukraine, and Uzbekistan.
Most of it was russia though
3 here were occupied, the others conquered in the civil war by russia
I feel the rest of the former Soviet states should do this and keep them. It’s disgustingly disgraceful to be taking them down
not if you didnt want to be in the USSR from the start (like Latvia)
@@WitchVillager it excuses the destruction of historical artefacts?
@@TRtraybloxeey if they remind you of a past that wasn't good for your country and it wasn't your choice to put them up in your own soil and you don't like them, then yes.
@@WitchVillager no, it doesn’t
@@WitchVillagerbruh, Latvian communists were ruling Latvia bavk than and wanted to be in the USSR
now conservatives and even outright fascists rule it and they will say they never wanted to be in
but in every country there are different ideologies and once one of them rules and claims to speak for everyone, the other times the other
I think it's okay to still have them. They are reminders of history.
Greetings from Berlin.
I agree, but surely they should be desecrated.
Youre a traitor to Germany
@@wolfstahl728 lol
@@VideoDotGoogleDotCom why they have nothing to do with putins russia they honor the fallen of the soviet union not just russians. ukrainians, armenians etc
@@VideoDotGoogleDotCom People desecrating monuments are among the lowest of the low.
This monuments are an insult to the millions of persons who died in the soviet Gulags.
The Soviet Union is *not* Russia, and I here actually thought Germany was one of the top 10 countries with the smartest people with the average iq of 100.
Most of it was russia
I have to say as a history guy I like that they still there
It's a big insult to your grandparents. You are very forgivor
@@rak520 my grandparents also think that these monuments are a good thing for young people to look at
Finde ich genauso
🙈
@@rak520 How is it an insult? History is not an insult.
These were called the „monuments of the unknown rapist“ by the Germans, since the soviet soldier conducted a lot of sexual assaults when occupying Germany
Um, you _do_ remember what the germans back then did?
Wait till u hear bout the austrian guy
@@sovietdog3522 Who did nothing wrong.
@@peter_meyer ya and guess what? Those symbols were destroyed because of their atrocities so why keep monuments of people who have also committed horrible actions? In my opinions it is up to the German people what they want to do with them anyway
@@8eight306 Follow your leader
Never erase history.
It should stay as historical artworks.
All monuments dedicated to the fallen should remain as a reminder for future generations. There shouldn’t be any more wars.
All? Pls answer me this. Even statues of that austrian guy with that little beard?
@@emskirchnerdrehstromprojek4270 not sure they got a chance to build any post war monuments
@@chunkyjoe8673 The build monuments befor that? Almost all got destroyed? Still I want to know if Brush would be against destroying monuments from these guy, too.
@@emskirchnerdrehstromprojek4270 question is how many of those were dedicated to respectable things
@@chunkyjoe8673 What is respectable about communism or the soviet union?
People seem to forget that the Soviet army was not only composed of Russians but also Ukrainians... Who died to put an end to the horror of Nazism. The destruction of these moments is extremely sad and dangerous.
Ukrainians saw the Germans as liberators because the Soviets invaded in 1920’s and did a brutal war then genocide in Ukraine in the 30’s
Many of those monument have a lot of Soviet symbolism, and the soviets were the people who occupied and almost destroyed many of their republics and peoples. Nobody who died fighting for freedom would want a symbol of their oppressors on their memorial.
because that hammer and sickle definitely stands for ukraine who suffered a holodomor under soviet rule.
@@KossolaxtheForesworn, Holodomor wasn't a case really.
@@openalternative face the wall tankie.
The more I read the comments, the more convinced I am that the monuments need to be removed. They should be taken to a place where people honor and remember the sacrifice they symbolize. You don't deserve to look at them
Good comment
Wow. Brilliant comment.
in Hungary, they've moved the soviet monuments and art to its own special park. it's a good middle ground, of taking down the monuments while not just destroying the art.
I doesn’t matter what you think, it is only important what Germans think is right for their country.
Funny that's what the Ukrainians thought about that German pipeline to Russia 😅
@SanctusPaulus-ic5glthe nordstream pipeline that German tax payers help pay for that Ukraine blew up. Its important what Ukraine think is right for their country
yall killed 6 million people not even 100 uears ago and you have the nerve to wven talk. the russians wiped out that generation for the better of man kind
@SanctusPaulus-ic5glUkraine and the US have blown up the pipe, guess news didnt reach you yet.
@@johno1544u mean russian pipeline to germany
Maybe it’s because Germany has learned not to get caught up in political hysteria
Nah it’s because Soviet influence the Berlin Wall fell like 30 years ago a lot of East Germans are mentally communist
Or they have stockholm syndrome
Maybe bacause Germany has learned to honor their own rapist and dont have a backbone.
you're a fool if you believe the Germans ever changed.
@@modchannel8387 No it is because of the liberal gouverment in germany
The monuments shouldn't be thought of as political monuments. Those people were fighting for the right thing.
since when comunist occupation is a right thing?
@@asbest2092since when was facist occupation a right thing
@@stalin5267 you didn't answer my question, fascist.
@@asbest2092 and you’re wrong cappie
@@stalin5267 you didn't answer my question, cappie
"We liberated Europe from fascism, but they will never forgive us for it."
-George Zhukov
""""Liberated"""""
@@eddy_malouempereur_du_cong6536 if it wasnt for the Soviets many would be exterminated, including slavs
The soviets are responsible for the poverty and ugliness of Eastern Europe.
"And then we imprisoned Europe for the next 45 years."
@@rogerrutz5820 in what way? are you brainwashed?
Agh! Please no further destruction of historical monuments. In addition, it’s needlessly inflammatory. Thanks for the invitation to comment!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Yes better have the symbols of Oppression stand
@@jackster2568 Graveyards aren't "symbols of oppression" and it is foolish to say such a thing. We're not talking about equestrian statues of slaveholders here.
@@tumblebugspace what the actual f*ck are you on about now? A monument and a graveyard are two very different things.
And why aren't they? Or is it just because you feel like it is not? Either an inanimate object holds meaning or it doesn't.
@@jackster2568 Your comments reflect mental imbalance.
1. Treptow is a cemetery! 2. SU has nothing to do with todays Russia. (Beside weird nationalism)
@Slim Mon You are right, many do not know that there is also a cemetery here - Near the memorial about 7200 Soviet soldiers were buried - The collective graves are located under the lawns, and are not marked.
@@dweuromaxx good thing they are not marked because I would piss on them
Shouldn't just destroy history and historical monuments no matter how offensive, it should be held in a museum.
Leave them for future generations.
We cannot cancel everything everytime something happens!
Russia can.
This isn't about cancel culture, this is the protests of the people who suffered because of Russia's reign, people who are now watching the brave Russian soldiers rape and murder innocents once more.
It is also useful to note that, unlike statues of, say, General Lee in this US, these statues were often placed by the Authoritarian Soviet regime at the expense of the people, rather than something they could have a say in.
@@TrueFlameslinger no, it is cancel cuture
@@TrueFlameslinger also, at the time theses monuments were put up, the German people should have preferred giant swastikas, so keeping them is a good reminder to Germany to not think “ third times the charm”
Cancel the number 1 war maker! U. S. A
It's weird that "svastica" is forbidden but the "scythe and hammer" is a friendly and respectable stuff
yeah that's weird
and what's your point?
No it's not
I think that the terrible soviet version of fascism should be forbidden just as well. Unfortunately it is booming again in Russia with the passive german support.
@@zmithoryou have the political analysis of a disease stricken dog
I have a Qn..
Did Soviet leader 'Stalin', just tore apart Germany and left? Didn't he conquered any land?
Königsburg was given to Russian SFSR, it is now Kaliningrad. It was offered to Germany but they rejected it. Memel was given to Lithuanian SSR, and the rest of the Eastern lands were given to Poland. Stalin intended for a neutral democratic Germany to be set up, but the Western Allies rejected this and split Germany into two - the DDR/East Germany, which was a socialist nation allied with the USSR, and FDR/West Germany, a capitalist nation allied with the United States.
Basically, Germany just lost it’s Eastern lands. Many of which had been taken during the war and were simply being returned to their rightful owners. If you read this far thanks for reading, have a nice day.
Soviet monuments doesn't only belongs to Russia. It belongs to all 15 repulics including Mongolia. Because they also taken part in battle of berlin
Mongolia too? I only remember hearing about their food and clothing aid to the USSR and help against Japan. I never knew that
Hate to see how Bismarck statues are controvers and get vandalized but it seems to be ok to have these statues..
Couldn't agree more. Anyone who wants to tear down Bismarck statues clearly doesn't appreciate what he did for Germany. Besides, I'm willing to bet Germany has more Marx statues than Bismarck ones.
The different is, those soldiers saved the world from your Nazism, and Bismarck didn't
Because these statues depict true heroes.
@@k.o.h3599 They depict supressors, who raped and killed our citizens. They depict people who tore our country apart to supress them for 44 years.
@@k.o.h3599 Sure buddy why don’t you live with Putin if you love The Soviets so much.
I think they shouldn’t be destroyed but there should be a lot of boards with information how many people died and were tortured because of Soviet Union and their army
Sure, let’s not forget to add how many Soviets died as well
Just Russians, Ukrainians, people from Siberia etc. - these weren't Soviets, just people used by a regime... Homo Sovieticus was just a concept.
@@jagmak13 wdym by just russians Ukrainians ? Do you know how many 0s are is 30million
@@Krokodil82 And mention how many of those people died due to Stalin's purges of the military, and his and his regime's general incompetence.
@@tylerbozinovski427 you need to educate yourself on Stalin “regime” as well, and please don’t use Solzhenitsyn as a reference.
Imagine they take the monument down and put the red flag with white circle in the middle back
I don't think they should remove the statues but it's really insane how Germany lifted the ban on socialist parties after reunification. Both socialism and national socialist parties are banned in Poland, Hungary, Lithuania, Romania, Czechia, Estonia, Bulgaria, Albania, Latvia, Slovakia, etc., but Germany only banned national socialism.
If people want to vote for them then they should be allowed to. That's how democracy works.
Democracy and freedom of expression no? That is the principle - you can advocate for anything UNLESS it impedes on someone else’s freedom. I don’t see how advocating for fair compensation for workers impedes on anyone. But facism certainly does.
@@tempejkl Both restricted civil liberties and civil rights. The USSR restricted freedom of expression greatly.
@@tempejkl If certain parties shouldn't be allowed, why should a political party that didn't allow other parties to appear on the ballot be allowed?
@@BENKYism That's not how it works. And you're being hypocritical, as that's literally what you're advocating for, so why should capitalist parties be allowed?
Unlike other nations Germany have respect for died soldiers. It's kinda sad that the nation which was enemy of them respects them and nations that were saved by them don't
"saved"
@@fatchins9126 YES THEY SAVED
@@CuteCanadaCountryball you can read about how many war crimes Soviets did to German civilians ect
@@polishspy8778 Germans did the same with Soviet people... that was bad, but that's REVENGE
@@CuteCanadaCountryball revenge on innocent civilians? that's not revenge, that's just war crimes and nothing else
As a black American I used to think we should take down any statues that were erected by a hateful group but now that I’m older , I want them to stay up because I want my children to know exactly what this country went through even if it’s evil.
Well said. We shouldn’t erase history
It's not the right way to think, you have statues that represent good values. The USSR liberated the Germans from the worst regime in history, it is not the same as comparing it to the statues of millionaire slave owners in the US.
@@anfrex3342 LOL. "liberated the Germans" How? By mass rape? It was just one occupation instead of the other.
@Alberto Barbosa... will happen again if germany wont stop screwing around
@@moneymaykerhustler how exactly are we screwing around? By opposing the Country which brought nothing but suffering to us?
History should always be preserved.
Germany should not have to honor soldiers from other countries.
It's so unfair that all the statues of their ancestors were destroyed and they're not even allowed to honor their fathers and grandfathers yet there's a giant statue of the regime that did more harm to Europe and the whole world than even they did at their worst point.
So, you prefer n***s instead of communists
Exactly
Never remove monuments just because situations change. It's about history and not the present time
Too much would be lost
It's a monument to brutal communists. It has no place within Germany, or any part of the world, really.
So u say that soliders who killed a lot of people should have their statues? U say that we should protect it bc it is history but did u know for what it was built?
@@Vanduo610 even if the Soviets where cruel, they where are big reason ( and of course the allies to) that your country is not speaking German now.
@@Vanduo610 they killed the Germans because the Germans burned and raped those soldiers’ families when they were being invaded. Bless those heroes
So you suggesting Ukraine should kept all the statues of Lenin that it had since soviet times, even tho he completely crushed the idea of free Ukraine, and tried to erase Ukrainians as ethnos?
History should be persevered no matter what those statues stand for
You can't erase the past, you can only learn from it.
Remember the past and remember it well lest we repeat it. Leave them stand as they are and maintain them as needed to keep them in place.
Be careful, Russians think that their lands are where Russians live (including Germany) and every country they had a war.
Monuments aren't how we remember history
@@anna-flora999
They play an important role in education and remembering historical events. They aren't the only way to remember, but they are a strong public reminder.
@@anna-flora999 anything can be used to learn about the past as long as it’s still there
Cancel culture at its finest
begone commie
@@sibit1the original communists were fighting axis powers. I do not agree with communism but they helped u.s. win WW2.
@@sibit1 You wanted to say "jew" maybe?
@@fuuuuuwahhhh5276 Its more like the US helped the USSR win the war, given Russia took 75% of the war effort.
@@groerhahn225 they were cannon fodder. No real tactics and they didn't know how to fight an invading army. There was literally a period in time where they would hand someone a mag of rounds, and hand the next guy a loaded rifle. When the guy with the rifle died you had to pick it up and fight or the soviets would shoot you. They pushed people into battle using numbers alone, but battles like that took some of the strain off of the u.s. ...the Germans exhausted themselves fighting everyone at once.
Respect the treaty as much as the Russians respected the Budapest Memorandum!
Respect your residents like Ukraine, which has been shelling them every day since 2014.
@@user-fy8nd6nz5w what are they supposed to do, not shoot back? Like what kind of argument is that
@@dasemicolon627Shelling what you claim to be your own country is pretty weird. Was also weird when the Russians did that in 1993 in order to consolidate power within the capitalists, with help from the USA.
You can’t just remove history or pretend it didn’t happen. I know a lot of people have hurt feelings over things but this is about human history not feelings. 🙄
Thanks to the red army we are discussing this things, and no way more horrible problems to be honest they save the world
If this continues and more monuments gets destroyed it will make believe for sure people are erasing there history for national interests @@Nico-Diaz
I think they should be left alone, the men who fought and died in ww2 should still be remembered regardless of what nato are doing to Russia in the 21st century.
Совершенно согласен друг ты мой Германский я пожимаю тебе руки🤝
blaming the victim is a russian thing, troll.
😂😂😂😂😂 poor russia being picked on by nato, they just want to invade ukraine in peace 😢😢
@@sebjornsprauten1406 do you remember when Russia applied to join nato after the fall of the soviet Union? And president "I did not have sexual relations with that women" blank refused and said the point of nato was to counter them? Didn't think so.
@@maxandmols9526 sorry, cant hear you over all those kids dying 🤸♂️
Keeping the monuments of an oppressor, just because he faught off the previous oppressor is wrong.
We should use this opportunity to get rid of them ...
All former British monuments must be removed also they oppressed their colonies
@@martineunzia2481Amen from Ireland 🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪
Destroying history is not the solution, it’s the problem
i can read about it dummy
it's not the history, propagandist
@@asbest2092 why not
@@MikeHunt-rc1poit’s a statue to glorify the red army in the capital of the nation they destroyed plundered raped and murdered. It’s not welcome in Germany
Respect them just as much as they respect borders of other nations… 🤷🏻♂️
Wth, why destroy Soviet monuments? Dude, fr, USSR isn't Russia you know? It's 15 freakin states including Russia and Ukraine
A federation if you will, it’s like saying California IS the US
russia is an angel compared to the ussr, you know? The ussr is a garbage occupant. Comunism is barely better than nazism
The Soviet Union was more like the Capitol from the Hunger Games and it’s districts than states like the US. Ukraine was forcibly integrated into the Soviet Union and was always considered second class to Russia.
@@Cam4Cameronlol what, many rulers of USSR came from Ukraine and it was one of the most prosperous republics of the USSR (after ww2)
Monuments are reminds of past mistakes.. what is up with destroying monuments?!?! Erasing history?!?!
Moments are a tool to glorify the past. Memorials are for mistakes
@@easterworshipper730you really think that the USSR was the only country that was part of it? The US and the UK was also a part of it
@@thekingsupreme4724 rapist worshipper.
@@easterworshipper730 yeah..so??
@@thekingsupreme4724 incel alert.
Destroy any thing that dosent symbolize the soldiers struggle. Everything else is a symbol of a cruel tyranny.
These all symbolise that so there’s no issue
IF YOU FORGET HISTORY, HISTORY WILL REPEAT ITSELF!!!
LOL, Germany has proven in thousand ways that it will never forget history! Simply no one - except some mad foreign youtubers - wants to destroy these memorials!
Russia is currently a far-right dictatorship. Most monuments are leftist ones or commemorate soviet soldiers who died fighting fascism.
So its tricky
@@koschmx Germans don't hold any of these statues "culturally sacred".
The only thing Germans hold culturally sacred is the lack of a speed limit on the Autobahn.
So the question becomes, do these statues represent any of the values contemporary Russia is fighting wars over, if so, that might be reason to think about removing them. If not, then not.
And Russia today is ideologically far-right, which is quite the turn from their far-left authoritarian history.
@@koschmx I didn't know.
@@JamanWerSonst Are you silly, madam???? The guy in the Kremlin is a KGB officer, the direct successor to the communist rapists in Berlin in 1945.
@@maust958 Russia is far-right authoritarian oligarchy right now.
Russia isn't far-right. In fact, Russia still technically has a socialist economy with no free market, and the regime still deeply admires the legacy of the USSR. The fact that Russia gets triggered whenever somebody is critical of the Soviet Union is a very good reason to get rid of the monument.
As a Finn i do not like seeing monuments of the evil soviet union in civiliced europe, but the germans can decide this for themselves.
You should be good to remember on which side you fought during that war and changed allegiances at the very end. Your hands aren’t clean
@@valkyrie9553 And you should be good to remember how Finland declared neutrality initially, yet Stalin and the USSR said "that's not enough" and started demanding land and border changes leading to the Winter War and Finland's alignment to Germany during 1940/1941.
@@valkyrie9553The commies got what they deserved
@@valkyrie9553and why did Finland do what it did?
Maybe look into what the USSR did to Finland between 1939-1941.
There is a saying about your reap what you sow, it is very apt here.
has everyone forgotten that Ukraine was the second largest state that made up the soviet union, there is a good chance some of the statues are of Ukrainian troops
Monuments are for remembering the past not about whats going on now. Every monument should stay up so people know the good and the bad of history.
We keep them because the treatment also honors the mass graves of German POWs in Siberia. My grandfather is buried there. I don’t want his grave to be desecrated. And if the price is a monument than it’s fine.
Your answer is one of the only ones in this comment section that actually makes sense. I see no reason at all to honour Soviet soldiers on German soil, given the horrors they inflicted on the German civilian population, but with regards to German war graves on Russian soil, I find the current situation to be acceptable.
Also, I hope your grandfather rests peacefully.
@@michaelkovacic2608yet you forget the rapes and the war crimes commited by allies. Your country is a good slave ig.
@@michaelkovacic2608 Can you tell me what the Germans did with the peaceful population in Russia?
@@michaelkovacic2608examples or can you just gossip in the comments? in addition, for some reason, the Germans did not particularly spare almost 30 million Soviet citizens. perhaps you are one of those who believe that Russian soldiers are fed viagra?
@rewoqero5358 lol what are you even talking about? Russian WW2 atrocities are well documented, this isn't open to discussion. You probably believe that Khatyn was faked, huh?
Soviet WWII memorials should never be removed even if people are unhappy at Russia
Without the red army the allies would’ve crumbled, all those tearing them down should be embarrassed
Yes, they should be removed. The Soviets were extremely brutal not only towards Germany, but also to literally every other part of Europe they took over. We should not honour the people who raped, pillaged, looted, and murdered others. Oh and Germany lost a quarter of its land, and part of what was left was turned into a brutal communist regime until the end of the 1980s.
The idea that the Allies would've lost without the Soviets is also false. Even if we ignore the fact that the Soviet military was extremely incompetent due to the purges (and had to rely on manpower), and all the Lend-Lease equipment given to them by the Americans, the Western Allies would've eventually won the war anyway (especially after the American entry into the war). The Soviets also only fought on a single front, while the Western Allies literally fought on every single other one.
@@tylerbozinovski427 of course the soviets where brutal the German was about to destroy and enslave the Slavic race. It’s not even comparable what the German did to the Soviets. And people still say …oh the Soviets where so cruel to Germany. And that The Red Army where incapable and only relied on Numbers and foreign equipment is false. The Allies did support the Soviets with equipment but the Soviets could handle it on its own equipment since 1943.
Red Army = Rapists and Murderers
@@tylerbozinovski427we’re not trusting a guy whose pfp is literally a country ball that represented colonialism
@@left-wingshark2302 The Soviet Union wasn't a colonial power is what you're saying?
Monuments are part of history, even the darkest history has to be respected because this is a great sign of culture.
Russia also had a treaty with Ukraine that they would never invade if they surrendered their nuclear weapons…
As a Russian and an opponent of communism, I will say that these are monuments to soldiers who died in the struggle against Nazism and fascism. Many Soviet soldiers were not supporters of communism at all, they were simply defending their homeland. Also, it should not be assumed that this is a monument to Russians, these are Soviet soldiers, among whom were Ukrainians, Belarusians, Kazakhs and many other nationalities.
In our culture, it is not customary to demolish monuments and rewrite history, no matter how bad it is. Therefore, many Russians are against the war. We are not heard because of repression and propaganda, but personally I have not met Putin's supporters younger than 50 years. These are just people who grew up on Soviet propaganda and are now glad to see the return of anti-Western propaganda.
I would gladly demolish the monuments to Lenin and Stalin, but I would leave them to ordinary people. Especially monuments to Lenin, because almost all of them stand in place of monuments to other people (emperors, scientists, military, poets, artists and other famous personalities). Imagine the propaganda in the USSR, when all monuments were replaced by a monument to one person during his lifetime, as well as entire cities were renamed in his honor during his lifetime.
I will also add that until 2008 there was no cult of victory in WWII in Russia. It was created by Putin. Until 2008, it was a memory, there was no holiday. Even in the USSR, it was an ordinary working day, no one dared to disgrace the fallen soldiers like that. It was possible to go to prison for several years, and now Putin is using this in propaganda.
I am american and I support Putin.
@@eliasziad7864 Bad choice. In Russia, total corruption, laws and the constitution are not respected.
In 2008 president Russia - Medvedev
@@user-bf1rk1tv3ibut actually it was Putin
@@georgeousthegorgeous ой бля в другом месте давай
Destruction of monuments is the worst thing a country can do
America: nervous sweating
The soviets occupied Germany for 40 years I dont see the point in building them memorials
Tell it to the russian and ask why they used tombstones monuments and churches as buildind materials from occupied cities...
In Latvias case, that monument wasnt for preserving history. It was glorifying the occupation of Latvia and subsequent attrocities commited upon the locals. The monument is literally called monument for the "liberators" of soviet Latvia. For preserving history we have countless museums and memorials. We dont need a monument that glorifies what attrocities have been commited against us.
Unless theyre communist ones
Thats a public restroom not a cemetery.
There’s a big difference between the Soviet memorials in Germany commemorating the soldiers that gave their lives in WWII vs. Lenin statues in former Soviet colonies celebrating oppressive communism.
Lenin was a tolerant communist. The Soviet Union was the first country where blacks were treated as equal people, and it also equalized the rights of women and men and removed the ban on homosexuality.
@@user-fy8nd6nz5wyep. Paul Robeson, an African American singer, became a communist after visiting Moscow in 1934. He said “When I visited the Soviet Union, I felt for the first time like a real Man with a capital M”. He would later be interrogated and allegedly tortured and face extreme discrimination in the United States for his words.
Hate seeing history wiped away
Yeah sucks, but these aren't being taken away, WW2 Monuments aren't the ones suffering, but the post war ones
History stays in books. Monuments are made for glorifying things, and why glorify the occupants of your country?
You most hate the fact that 2 million raped women where erased from history and their rapist are celebrated in those monuments.
If today we are destroying monuments that represent the sacrifices of those in the past then tomorrow’s generations will destroy any monuments that represent the sacrifices we make today.
Tomorrows beliefs will be different to todays and anyone who supports wiping history should wholly be prepared for the same to happen to them.
@@KazeHorse those are rapist monuments.
Make monuments Honoring the 2 million women raped by the red beasts.
I want to say as an actual German that these statues are history and the soldiers that died in that time period did nothing to Ukraine back then
No, destroy them
Except they fought for the exact same brutal regime that ruthlessly oppressed Ukraine for decades. The Ukrainians are currently fighting to prevent the return of this kind of oppression to their nation.
@@aledsowhy
@@Memedude_L1Because i dont want have Monuments of people which raped over 2 million german women.
@@Memedude_L1 Look up Soviet Crimes against German Civilians and you will have your Answer.
To be honest is really disappointing and not respectful to destroy the monuments of the people that liberated them from the axis
A society that values history do not remove any monument. Even ones you despise or those who committed atrocities. It's very short-sighted and buffoonery to deface them.