Our Daughter Died After a Fatal Misdiagnosis from a Physician Associate
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- Marion and Brendan's daughter died as a direct result of being treated by a Physician Associate when she thought she was seeing a doctor. Emily had a blood clot in her calf but was sent away with a beta blocker & a diagnosis of long Covid. She died three weeks later. Emily's parents are calling for more clarity and regulation.
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This happened to my father. Someone who had never had anxiety in his life , was diagnosed with anxiety. When an actual fact he had a build up of blood around his lungs. It took a number of weeks, before the doctors finally got the right diagnosis. Meanwhile my father suffered a great deal.
Pain in the calf with breathlessness and yet still she was diagnosed with anxiety?
That's text book stuff !
@@mycoshe
It is, but I nursed a 21 year old who died with the same symptoms as this poor woman because the doctors diagnosed anxiety. I live with her asking me to tell her young son she loved him! 😢 I just say Dr Shipman when people start judging.
@@mycoshe one person made a mistake - why is the whole profession being held accountable - make it make sense !
Thats not a Doctor,not even a jnr Dr.
a Physician associate is not a Dr. She had PE but the person didn't have any acumen to know what it was. Well, giving the jobs to people because they are white leads to this.
@@JoU-dn5by
What has this got to do with being White?
14 years ago I was misdiagnosed with a DVT for 6 weeks as the doctor said I'm too young (i was 37) and not overweight so it can't be a DVT. So i took myself off to A&E where they gave me a scan revealing a DVT, the hospital said i had days to live as it had spread. Thankfully straight onto warfarin which saved my life. My doctor couldn't believe it when he was informed by the hospital.
My 8 year old daughter was seriously ill a few months ago. I took her to the doctor 3 times and was seen by a paramedic. Every occasion was told she had a virus. Three weeks later she developed a rash that I was told was an allergic reaction. She hadn't left her bed and was barely eating at that point so I knew It wasn't that. I decided enough was enough and dragged her down A&E for a real doctor to find out what was wrong with her. She had a UTI. A UTI that had been left untreated for three weeks. The infection had started to go into her blood stream. She didn't have any symptoms of a UTI but I was told this is very common in young children and the elderly. I was severely annoyed that it hadn't been picked up sooner but maybe if I had seen a doctor in the first place it would have.
Report them to someone, the uti could've turned septic. Poor thing. Thank goodness she's OK. You must've been worried sick.
I remember this story on GMB god bless both of you 🙏🙏
It seems pretty clear to me stop hiring PA's and employ doctors. The amount of doctors that are out of work because the GP surgeries are choosing to employ cheaper unqualified associates is a crying shame. Associates have their place but they are not doctors and should never replace a Doctor .
@risetv1 i mean there are not that many PAs so this is false
10 years ago I was diagnosed with anxiety and was told I was having panic attacks. I couldn’t breath properly without awful pains in my left rib cage for a week, no obvious cause. It really hurt to breath and talk at the same time. This turned out to be costochondritis. I was diagnosed with nr ankylosing spondylitis ten years later. This was one of the symptoms. I had been suffering with other related symptoms that were not picked up. Thankfully it wasn’t fatal but to realise I had been dealing with an autoimmune condition for years before the doctors joined up the dots is unbelievable.
I am sure that some PAs are excellent but they need to be aware of their limitations. One PA I saw told me that she was as good as a doctor which was very concerning!
And some of them better than doctors
@@lerasmith1264
Exactly….. good and bad in all! I know 6 people who were wrongly diagnosed by doctors are dying or dead. Generally starting with a diagnosis over the phone.🙄
I was misdiagnosed 4 months prior , followed by being diagnosed in A&E with rare full blown incurable cancer , how do you deal with that?
I once spoke to an NHS GP about a tumor in my leg, and they referred to my to a physiotherapist for diagnosis. Now physiotherapists have no education or training to diagnose or treat tumors. I deregistered myself from that GP and since then I avoid NHS practitioners and prefer private.
You do know the "private" doctor you see, is just an NHS doctor. There's no special "private training" at play
@@NikkiCottle Yeah but he probably did not see a doctor. That is the issue. They don't say they are not doctors.
All practitioners should have clearly marked credentials on a visible badge. Every patient has a right to be told from the get go what the credentials and qualified status of a practitioner is.
There are too many errors being made in the medical field, i was just reading about how scalpels were being left in peoples bodies in the states after operations.
There sure are a lot of "fatal misdiagnoses" in the UK!
So sorry for their loss, but it's helpful to hear these stories - brave parents. She is helping others now. RIP.
Who should be held accountable?
More than 2500 GP's out of job because PA's are hired and they are doing their Job. UK Government love to play with Human Life, to become a GP is 5 Years of MBBS Degree, Two Years of Foundation Doctor Training, Followed by 3 Years of General Practitioner training subject to passing two very tough exams. I also came across, that GP's are more regulated but their is no as strict regulation of PA's as compared to Doctors.
I've had pains in the calf & been told to drink more & the pain stopped.
This is going on in The U.S. We have Physicians Assistants and Nurse Practitioners now that seem to work as a Doctor. I always wonder how much leeway they actually have when seeing a patient and if there is a Doctor involved also on the other end that they are working with. I don’t like it at all!!
A lot of GP practices are now owned by the US which happened during covid and we are now getting this trash service.
"Physician" is not a British term.
The main issue here is that so-called physician associates are presenting themselves as doctors. Emily should have been informed that she was seeing a PA.
Just to clarify, Physician Associates (PAs) do not claim to be doctors. In fact, it is part of our professional responsibility to clearly explain our role during each consultation, which I personally make sure to do. The confusion often arises from patients themselves, even after we've explained our role. Receptionists also play an important part in informing patients when they are booking appointments. Despite this, many patients continue to refer to me as a doctor, likely due to the nature of our work. Nevertheless, I appreciate their trust and willingness to return to see me. I can't speak for every Physician Associate but at our practice we need to explain our role at each opportunity.
@@jetmanchandi I agree with this, I work in a clinical setting and despite me explaining my role and reception stating my designation I find that many patients often still get this wrong. To be fair to patients part of this is that there are so many different designations these days that it's hard to keep track, even for someone like myself who works in the setting. I also think that generally most patients don't mind who they see unless they feel the consultation went badly/they didn't get good care and so perhaps the need to be clear on who they have seen is retrospective. I think it is our responsibility to introduce ourselves properly but I do not think it is our fault if patients leave consultations not knowing who we are. If the patient isn't sure then they should enquire.
Had she been on a long-haul flight? What caused the blood clot? Had she had any vaccines recently? I'm so sorry. I hope you sue the backside off them. Negligence personified. 😢
Probably the contraceptive pill.
@@risetv1 that causes blood clots?
@@Themis33 in some women yes.
I was very ill with auto immune Addison's disease for 6 months and 3 GPs diagnosed me with an acute nervous breakdown, despite not being able to walk very well, loss of 2 stone and no appetite, with vomiting soon after if I did manage to eat anything. I literally had to order my regular GP to do blood tests, which she did unenthusiastically. Medical staff have to stop looking at women and thinking we're having some kind of mental illness all the time. I could have died at the point I was admitted into hospital had it not been for a random GP seeing me at the very last moment.
@@camerachica73
Sorry to hear what you had to go through. Sadly your story is so common now. I personally feel doctors have lost their way in why they have joined the profession. They do need to get off their pedestals and do the job they have been trained to do. We are grateful when we find a good one, it shouldn’t be like that. Hope you are being well cared for now.
Sorry to hear your story AD is a very serious condition. I have a similar story but mine is a loss of potassium through the kidneys i was in a critical condition and was initally told i was anxious and had an eating disorder until a very smart junior doctor and consultant clocked that it was something very serious. They saved my life.
Yet another young person with an inexplicable blood clot 🤔
Sadly it has ALWAYS happened throughout history
@@stevealdridge9720
You are right, seeing a doctor does not guarantee getting the right diagnosis. No one is perfect.
The news never used to cover small medical stuff like blood clots, which is why you never heard of them and why you do now
If it bloods it leads
Unbelievable ignorance
In America NP & PA are common. Obviously in your country you are not educated on these providers.
Here in the states you can request to see a physician instead of a NP or PA.
My husband is a CRNA nurse Anethesia and he can do almost all cases , sometimes better than Anesthesiologist.
I agree totally ❤
Mistakes happen everywhere where humans work.
But if ur happy with the nhs keeping ur doctor under paid and overworked, i dont think u get to complain.
At my surgery, the nurse practitioners are better than the doctors!
I agree with this!
There has been many cases of doctors making mistakes - things are missed constantly - we don’t scream to get rid of doctors this is an isolated incident and does not mean we should scrap all physician associates - they are not assistants they support the medical field and granted should be supervised!! But this propaganda is unfair to hardworking PA’s who have done a 2 year postgrad onto of a degree so overall 5 years!
5 years does not make them equivalent to doctors. The medical degree structure/exams are accountable to the GMC, and the profession is highly regulated. You just have to look at the statistics of how many PA students graduate with “distinction” and the ease of passing before putting them on equal footing. The requirements for entrance are also vastly different between medicine/PA (with respect, a large subset of PA students have been rejected from medicine as much as they dont admit it). These are individuals with essentially 2 years of “hospital” based “training”, who are allowed to enter a field like GP, they have poor regulation. It is not the same
@@Nuteall55
I never claimed they are equivalent to doctors, nor are they intended to replace them.
My point was about undermining the profession by stating “only 2 years.” Continuously belittling professionals is unjust! The harassment and bullying on and off social media, mostly by “doctors”’ along with the clickbait headlines, is completely unacceptable. . -many doctors have taken different paths and retaken exams, in order to get into medicine . And I don’t get why this is relevant !
@@abreal7550 it IS only two years though. Their undergrad degree could have been in Zoology or Radiography. It does NOT compare to a medical degree, the rigour of training that fully qualfied doctors go through after medical school working oncall and certainly nothing like the royal college membership exams.
In order to get into medicine, but also pass exams, qualify as a doctor, and then be able to practice as a doctor. It is a shame in this country, we are even having a debate about the necessity of medical doctors treating patients. Unfortunatley the PA profession for too long has been unregulated, and if you take the time to look into the happenings in the royal college of physicians/surgeons statements - the tide is turning, before this becomes dangerous
What is in their job description?
They are not allowed to send a prescription to the chemist and have to wait for a doctor to do it.
Our PA at our surgery is so good and always takes her time. I would rather see a PA. There’s literally been less than 5 death associated with PAs in the 20 years they have existed . This is propaganda by GP locums who want to squeeze £14000 /month from already struggling GP surgeries and they do not care about continuity of care for patients or patient safety they are shouting above. Sorry but this is one isolated incident. Properly supervised PAs are a great addition to the team!
PA are med school reject. So u rather see the person who couldn't get into med school but wants to tell their family they're a doctor
WELL SAID
PAs have almost no training in comparison to a proper GP and require everything to be checked completing mitigating their use and cost effectiveness. They are the solution to a completely manufactured problem to drive down the cost of healthcare.
We can’t even see a doctor so how can they say if they had seen her. This is a tragic case, but doctors make the same mistakes but it doesn’t get into the news!
You can't see a doctor because of chronic GP under-funding. GP practices would love to employ more doctors.There are actually tons of unemployed GPs nationwide who can't get work because the funding has been ring-fenced to employ PAs only! 😢
@@NikkiCottle
I understood GP practices are run as a business. Do they not sell their work to the government? Surely this means they can employ who they like? Perhaps you could explain to me how they work differently to a normal business? Thank you
@@NikkiCottle
Why is it ok to have a go at the PA’s when I and others can quote many cases where doctors have made the wrong diagnosis which has led to the deaths of patients. How many people are living with & dying of cancer due to misdiagnosis by a doctor. If a patient is not happy with who ever is diagnosing them they must seek another opinion such as A&E, hence why it is so clogged up now.
@@elizabethdavis9119
If it’s run as a business, then staff costs are kept as low as possible. Makes economic send to employ a RN or PA instead of a GP to save on salaries.
@@elizabethdavis9119 I agree doctors misdiagnose and I don't agree with the assumption that if this girl had been reviewed by a doctor she definitely would have been diagnosed correctly. The learning point of this case though is that it has brought an issue to the surface that has been raised by many as a concern for years and largely ignored by the GMC/government up to this point which is regulation. Almost all professions-nurses, doctors, dentists have a regulatory body to whom they are accountable. This means that when errors are made it is clear whether or not somebody stepped beyond their area of expertise and/or made an error which they are likely to repeat/whether it impacts their overall ability to continue in the profession. If there is no regulatory body there are no clear standards which people need to meet and it then it becomes very difficult to say whether somebody stepped beyond their role as this is not clearly defined. PAs overall are actually being let down by the lack of a regulatory body. Also please do not advise people to seek an alternative opinion in ED unless you truly feel it is an emergency or you have sought more than one opinion from your GP practice/out of hours service. I have worked both in the community and the emergency setting. Non-emergency presentations to ED and overcrowding in ED is extremely dangerous and a second opinion can be obtained from any clinician in any setting.
PA who doesn't have the knowledge of human body ? If GPs are going to continue recruiting PAs ? It begs the question do we need qualified GPs ? if they are not going to be present at the surgery to see to the patients face to face ? Some GPs run multiple practices, is that permitted or appropriate?
I trust PA way more than Nurse Practitioners.
I don’t.
More than some doctors as well
@@jujutrini8412 me either. Nurse practitioners are usually way more experienced
Good luck to you.
@@adamcraig1468are u sure about that 😂 u will be very suprise. They are taught using the holistic model which has no deep anatomy or physiology then do a 2 year masters with only 4 systems. Trust me they are not. This is propaganda
They should not be called physician associates but physician assistants, they should assist doctors in hospital setting, there is no place for them in general practice!! we are dealing real human lives here for gods sake
they should tell us the nationality of that associates.
where they came from originally!
Physician associates are often employed by gp practices because they're cheaper than doctors and some gp practices put more responsibilities on Physician associates than what they are actually qualified to do all because those dodgy gp practices want to save money - this is a campaign again PAs in my opinion - PAs already are supervised in a way - everything they do has to be accepted by a qualified doctor.
Just to educate you. The funding for PAs are decided by the GOVERNMENT. The government are not funding GP training places for qualified medical doctors who have already completed 2 years of hospital based work on top of their medical degree - but instead funding PAs to enter into field they should not be, and are certainly not qualified to enter. Why do PAs even exist/need funding when they need supervision? Why cant the government just use the money they fund PAs with - to actually increase training places for GPs and at The end you get an ACTUAL doctor treating the public. This will all end badly.
@@Nuteall55
I believe GP practices are run as a business, so they control what the money is spent on. In 2012 the BMA voted to restrict training places, their reason we are told, because the jobs weren’t there for them when they qualify. If you read the minutes of the meeting it does say doctors would be able to demand higher wages as there would be a limited supply! ( words to that effect) .Now of course they want to increase training places as a lot of GP’s & doctors only work part time so this means more are needed to do take up some of the workload. Obviously a practice would not be able to afford many doctors as the wages are very generous hence why the PA’s & nurses are used more. Does a normal business get funding from the government?
@@elizabethdavis9119 It’s unfortunate you have a lack of understanding about how the NHS is run, and use this to justify why PAs are allowed to treat the public. Just to educate you - the way you produce a qualified GP is through placing a fully qualified doctor with two years of hospital training, through a further 3 years NHS-training programme called “General Practice”, these doctors are called GP registrars who then after 3 years qualify as GPs. The number of NHS-training programmes (and other specialities such as surgery, hospital medicine etc) have systematically been reduced by the government - these doctors pay does NOT come from the GP practice itself, but from the NHS (and the pay dictated by the government). Please look at NHS speciality competition ratios to see the number of doctors avaliable to apply for these posts, and the number of training posts avaliable (there are more doctors than posts avaliable). If the government have slashed training posts avaliable to produce qualified GPs/Consultants - and use this funding instead to fund PAs (who are not medical doctors) because they are essentially quick buck, on the cheap access to healthcare for members of public who cant afford private care (where you are guaranteed a fully qualified GP/consultant) - you as a member of the general public should be concerned? Why are you as a tax paying member of the public, subject to non-doctors treating you - when there is money in the government that could be used to just train fully qualified doctors as GPs and improve the workforce? It is so sad to see members of the public falling for this, and I guarantee no politician is using a PA to look after their family/their own health
@@elizabethdavis9119 In regards to what you said about the BMA. You are incorrect, and it is shame again you are justifying the use of non-doctors to treat yourself/family members. Doctors have continuied, for so long to put pressure on the government to improve funding to increase speciality training posts (this is how you produce GPs/Medical Consultants/Surgical Consultants). What a sad state of affairs this country is in, that we are even having this discussion about people without medical degrees treating our family members. Would you allow a non-pilot who has not gone through rigorous pilot school training to fly a plane with yourself/your children in it? No? So why is medicine/healthcare any different.
@@Nuteall55
My problem comes from my own experiences with GP’s & hospital doctors. We nearly lost our 13 year old grandson due to the arrogance of a couple of doctors who diagnosed him with Covid when in fact he had a perforated appendix. It was a PA that sent him to hospital with appendicitis which was ignored. A couple of friends have been mis diagnosed, again by doctors not PA’s, one is dead and two others are classed as terminal. So perhaps you will forgive my lack of confidence in doctors. I have learnt to use good old dr Google (as our GP does) & TH-cam again as Dr’s do. I am hoping you are one of the better ones. 🤞
Seriously? You have to make it all about profession putting all PAs down? Like md never makes mistakes? Ridiculous
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