Persona Q2 New Cinema Labyrinth Shinjiro knows about Akechi
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Persona Q2 New Cinema Labyrinth Shinjiro knows about Akechi
Shinjiro: "..."
Akechi: "..."
Shinjiro: "So... murder, right?"
Akechi: "Pardon?"
Shinjiro: "Nevermind"
Basically
Self recognition through the other
Shinjiro: We’re the same.
Akechi: I don’t follow.
Shinjiro: I’ve seen my fair share of shady shit in the world. I can see when someone is a tool in terrible sins that affect the lives of so many.
Akechi: You don’t mean.
Shinjiro: Yes. We’re DLC characters in the dancing games.
Akechi: of all the underhanded bullshit.
If I could save comments this would be the only one I would keep
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I thought you were just going to quote the video lol
The best comment here. Lmao!
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Not in Royal for Akechi, tho.
@@Starmar The English trailer for P5R clearly imply he survives this time.
@@Starmar Have you even heard what he says?
@@Starmar There's a cutscene in a Royal trailer where Haru is looking out a train window and you can barely, but surely see Akechi's outfit pattern after he confesses. Not to mention how other dead characters returned such as Wakaba.
Things heating up at the akechi fandom
Says "I dont know your life" precedes to tell Goro EXACTLY what he needs to hear
A little heart-to-heart between the dead, its kinda sad that Akechi just can't understand how he's supposed to live on due to his past crimes.. To continue with no regrets like Shinjiro
He's a young adult with psychopathic traits. Of course he's no regrets. Shinji made a massive mistake, but what he meant is that he's not going to let it dictate who he is, and won't try to avoid the consequences. Akechi can't relate, as deep down he doesn't care who he's hurt - his only "regret" is not meeting Joker earlier, but that's after he thought he killed the guy (not a normal circumstance), plus was still helped even after trying to kill them all after coming clean; he recognised that meeting Joker earlier may have stopped him from commiting his crimes in the first place.
@Lhhhhehhshhbbbd Show me.
Is Akechi dead, though? If palaces operate under the same or similar rules to Persona 4's TV world, then Akechi's death would mean his corpse would be forcefully deposited back in the Diet Building, which would've caused quite the stir. And since no such commotion occurred, to avoid death, he could've easily just returned to the human world under his own power just before "dying". To cause mental shutdowns, he would need to be able to enter palaces on his own, so him leaving on his own is not out of the question. There's no guarantee Futaba could actually sense him leaving aside from death, either. And, well, no one actually saw him die. What's more, if Akachi were to appear in the Diet Building, it would not be strange to anyone, since he's in contact with Shido, a politician. Worst case, he's found injured, and would be taken to a hospital. To put it simply, Akechi may have copied Joker and faked his death.
No longer brah...
@@Dragonpit 1st rule of media, if they die off-screen and nobody sees them, they are not dead.
Two sides:
One of darkness that isnt truly evil.
The other of light that isn't truly good.
Truly an exceptionally ironic contrast.
I do appreciate situations in media where they focus on the near-invisible lines between light & good and between darkness & evil.
Since the lines between light & darkness and between good & evil are sometimes blurred, it can often be difficult to notice when these lines are perpendicular rather than one and the same.
literal ying yang (yu and adachi would never)
Atlus really going deep on these similarity based interactions
same....but different...but still the same
Their foreshadowing is super strong
Shinjiro sees through akechi because he's a lot sharper than he looks. It's not just because he's similar it's also that he's interacted with some rather shady people so seeing what akechi and what he intends to do isn't all that unexpected or surprising for that matter.
Shady is one word for them concidering the top of that list is Strega he probably has spent enough time around takaya to see his and akechi's similarities
One thing they forgot about Shinji is that he's also a delinquent. Of course he would know considering before P3 takes place he usually hangs around the back of the station where there are a bunch of shady people around.
I wonder if Shinjiro had been a Phantom Thief, he would have sensed something amiss with Akechi before the others did in the sixth palace. That and possibly co fronting the problem that occurred in the fifth arc well before it got out of hand.
one a traitor, another who can't control himself to protect others. Death is at their door.
Shaheer Chowdhury The reaper: Helllloooo
Yeah, Nyx is behind those doors
She’s behind my door too
Akechi is more deserving of death as a punishment than Shinji. At least he died like a true hero and wore his crimes on his sleeve.
To much "Door"
Its a shame really. He could have been a great phantom theif, but he makes it clear where he stands.
He seems to change by the ending
I'm pretty sure he was a phantom thief officially at the end, but y'know. The whole dying thing kinda fucks that up.
@Lhhhhehhshhbbbd yeah I agree with all the above! From his automatic progressing confidant link that felt fake and non genuine, he was a missed opportunity for a compelling antithesis/rival. You should have the option to hang out with him outside of LeBlanc like the other confidants. Despite P5A's faults, I think they did well with making Akechi actually Relevant in Ren's day-to-day life and not make their rivalry flakey, like in the game. It felt as if both characters (in game) didn't WANT the rivalry and were being forced to interact by game mechanics. It sucked. Also Akechi dying kinda ruined whatever redemption the game was going for; it wasn't TRUE justice, having him die like that because he got away from the consequences of his actions, sure it was painful, but he didn't really REPENT. Truly hope P5R does better with his character than P5 did :/
@Lhhhhehhshhbbbd my personal favorites lie between Akechi, Yusuke, Makoto and Futaba ((Can't personally decide between the four they're all so wonderful in their own unique way)). And yeah actual conclusion for Akechi that doesn't have him dying meaninglessly!! Seriously PT could've moved during Cognitive Akechi's monologue :/ I was screaming the entire time for the game to give me an option to move and save him. But no dice.
Not to mention it should've ended with both Ren and Akechi finishing off (stealing his treasure not killing) Shido's shadow together as a team, as the man fucked both their lives 10x. That's would've been amazing hands down.
yungbreezy36 And you’re just toxic, asshole. Literally calls people a retard over a suggestion, no wonder people hate the community.
the group of characters that die
honorary members being p3mcs
@Lhhhhehhshhbbbd nah, he's dead
its heavily implied at the very least
@Heidenriech lmao
has everyone forgot about the Answer and the Arena games, which are all canon and straight up say, "yeah lol he's dead"?
Not to mention, one's that get a chance to live in their respective game remakes
Bad things Shinji has done:
-Killed a woman BY ACCIDENT
-Done drugs
-Stole from a toy store as a kid to make his best friend's sister happy
Bad things Akechi did:
-INTENTIONALLY killed people
-Basically an assassin
-Fraud detective
-Aided one of the worst politicians ever in getting power
Funny how Shinji, the more thug-looking of the two, is far less shady. No hate on Akechi, I just thought they were kind of stretching it with the similarities here. Though, Shinji does seem like the kind of guy sharp enough to catch on with his charade.
Shinji used to hang out with some shady people before rejoining the cast. Ofc he would know.
bubbletea The drugs were supposed to suppress his persona they weren’t like street drugs such as meth or cocaine but medical drugs
@@lolzman999 i'm aware, but they were still harmful to him and he interacted with shady people to obtain them.
LMAO did you forget he sells information to strega for their targets? for the drugs anyway. but true shinji is less shady and not only he is sharp, he notices akechi is in similar shit due to how shinji spent most of his times around shady people
They both used to be against the protagonist and the group, one with helping strega the other shady ppl the other with shido letting their regret and suffering chose the path for them
They’re both alike in that they’re no strangers to darkness. But the main difference is that Shinjiro doesn’t...didn’t...try to hide his
Why did you have to put the past tense there? You really want me to cry don't you?😢
In the end Akechi didn't hide anymore
Yeah, and hearing his reasons was like a shot to the heart.
Shinjiro killed one by accident while akechi is an assassin who wants revenge on his father
So Shinji finally saw that
lmao
Did you see that shinji?
We need more Akechi and Shinjiro interactions.
Fighting Gold Your implying that Shinji and Akechi both go to heaven
@@AmirysMewen ... Why
@@AmirysMewen akechi is a bad boi
Actually, Akechi doesn’t go to heaven, he went straight to hell because he murdered innocent people while lusting for power, committed fraud, gloated about his goals, threw hissy fits, selfishly though of his “justice” over billions of lives, envious of others’s successes, too arrogant to admit faults, and too lazy to care.
He committed all 7 sins horribly, and deserved every. Single. Punishment.
@@halp5973 No matter if he didn't kill the phantom thieves, he did a lot of damage.
From one chained soul to another huh? “It takes one to know one,” he may not have intentionally done what he did, but he can sense that he got his hands dirty too.
Out of all of them, Shinji and Akechi are deemed as killers, and as they say birds (crows) of a feather, Shinji likely knew that Akechi shares that same expression, but the difference being Akechi likely revelled in it despite hiding it whereas Shinji while not admitting it, wore his guilt on his sleeve
I kinda like how they don't make Akechi immediately have a change of heart after what Shinji says. It shows that Shinji is sharp enough to spot something wrong with Akechi's role in the group and relate his own problems to what he thinks Akechi is going through while also keeping with Akechi not really understanding what Shinji says as it doesn't really fit with what he's going through.
The similarities are they both have past experiences that Shinjiro and Akechi desperately try to get rid of in their own way and they both loss their lives in process protecting people that still consider themselves as friends over their weighing regrets.
-and they're both dead-
Except Shinji wouldn't have shot or killed anyone of them if he had the chance.
I'm surprised no one here pointed out Akechi was also in a way giving Shinjiro advice. Akechi says he's not good in crowds and kind of a misfit, which Shinji gets annoyed at. In the next conversation, Akechi calls Shinjiro out on that for being a hypocrite since he himself doesn't like big crowds or socialising. Shinji then says "Its good to talk to someone who also doesn't fit in". While Shinji got Akechi to think of his misdeeds and purpose in life, Akechi was able to make Shinji open up more to someone and see his own flaws that he won't admit
Shinji should talk to both Akechi and Adachi (Post Ultimax). They should have some sort of support group.
The "Skeletons in the Closet" crew. LOL
somehow i think adachi would act like he doesn´t give a shit but still always keep these two out of harms way when nedded.
also i think he would totally always need to fight akechi once dude shows his true colours because Akechi is (btw my favorite character in all of persona)
probably a rather pain in the ass to deal with for adachi before he really opens up.
What we *need* is the Persona 3 Remake that lets even the male Protag save Shinji's life. And not just that, get him back on his feet for the lategame. My boy has moves all the way up to God Hand, don't tell me he couldn't work.
@@JacksonJinn shinji being saved ruins the whole story tbh
and i only like p3 with femc but its true
@@vivi-wr8nm i mean they could rework it a bit, idk how much making shinjiro live would change beyond needing to rework how everyone gets their 2nd personas and all that, and like their changed motivation (i think its been a minute since i played p3), or just work in the new mechanic for teammates and give all team members social links for their 2nd personas (except junpei, since he technically doesnt get a normal 2nd persona, his just fuses with another), idk i just want someone to use axes again on the team if they dont bring back minato being able to use all weapons from fes if they remaster 3
My two best undead boys talking... I'm going to cry
Okay one of them I kind of Understand, but you know that the other is a mass murderer right.
+HuntertheWraithDragon That’s why Akechi is a good character, dummy. He did fucked up things in the pursuit of vengeance because he was so obsessed with the past and couldn’t let go. That’s what makes him a compelling villain (and anti-hero in P5R).
@@gavo7911 Good character? Absolutely. Best boy? Hell no
Even though he won’t remember this encounter, feels like it still ran deep with Akechi in P5R.
I agree akechi might not remember it consciously but i think in a sorta meta way his heart did remember
You can erase a memory but if it left an impact that becomes etched into one's heart.
My two best boys talking like this... How Shinjiro was able to see through Goro's facade almost fully and how he told Goro what he needed to hear... That hurts.
Shinji and Akechi may be similar but at least Shinji didn't become a hit man bent on revenge.
Think shinji sees through akechi
@@shirokatta4051 pretty much, despite this he's pushing Akechi in the right direction..
You're right, Ken did.
Bippy the Chippy ken isn’t a hitman. he only wanted to kill one person, then copped out. he’s also like 10 years old
Shinji and Akechi have the same guilt ridden past deal that defines their actions in P3/5. The reason they’re guilt ridden is just different, Shinji ends up accidentally killing a mother and leaving a kid an orphan like he was, caused by what he sees is his own carelessness. He’s guilt ridden over a tragic mistake that he blames himself for.
Akechi is guilt ridden because he made an irrational and emotionally charged decision at a young age and he feels he’s got to keep going so that everything wasn’t for nothing.
It’s the same problem, just for different reasons.
One who didn’t hesitate to throw the team away for everything he wanted, and one who threw everything he wanted away for the team.
That makes it 3 people who saw through his lie
( Ren, Morgana, and Shinjiro are the 3 people )
Edit: **Eats chips while scrolling through the comments**
Actually at this point the whole phantom thieves barring akechi knew about his betrayal and went along with his lie to make a comeback
And Ken too
Koromaru too.
@@solidsnook8640 When did Ken (and apparently Koromaru) find out?
RedXMatrix123 when they go do the special screening to track something in junessic park. Ken says that koro worries about him because of what he feels and senses about akechi
Man, the P5 characters look so out of place in their outfits... not that it's bad or anything, but that extreme change of style really is... funny.
It's weird to think that the Phantom Thieves knew all along.
"I really am sorry... but I just don't understand."
"... "Regrets" indeed."
After the added Akechi content in Royal, this line got even rawer.
In a way, Shinjiro got through to him. Even if they would never have met each other under normal circumstances.
They even share the same kind of clothes.
And hair
finally somebody noticed they got similar clothes and hair lmao
Yeah Akechi always looked like "posh" or "preppy" Shinjiro to me
Irrelevant to the video, but Elizabeth looks great in black and white.
“Yare Yare”
JOTARO!
DIO!
Saiki K.
Yea it's almost like yare yare is a real japanese phrase and not something unique to jojo
NKG ..You think I dont know that well I do but its still kinda funny.
You know this is still actually cannon compliant with the release of Royal since Kasumi isn’t with the Phantom thieves yet, she doesn’t get taken into Hikari’s Theatre
Yeah I guess your right
This just strengthens my feeling on being able to save Pancake Boy in Persona 5 R
I hope they give the option to kill him harder
You can see his Black Mask outfit's legs in the trailer when they show Haru in the Morgana car. He's in the party.
@@LockRainmaker Where? At what point of time? I've checked every frame of that shot but I can't find his outfit.
@@DR-ng7oh You see his leg in an anime cutscene of haru in the morgana car.
Perhaps. Maybe that's how the extra story happens in the first place? Maybe he shows up in a cell in the Velvet Room.
Says something like "DON'T COME NEAR ME! THIS IS WHAT I DESERVE!"(Took that from a fan comic of a situation like that)
Joker convinces him to leave his cell by telling him that he's been given a chance at redemption, and to atone for his crimes, and he shouldn't throw it away.
A conversation scene with all the phantom thieves happens, where they decide whether to let Akechi rejoin them.
Unanimous decision. Akechi is in the party for the battle against Yaldabaoth.
After the battle, Akechi turns himself in and testifies as to the existence of the metaverse. Confesses to being the one who caused the mental shutdowns and psychotic breakdowns at Shido and Shido's allies behest.
Shido corroborates Akechi's testimony. Akechi goes to jail instead of Akira.
Akira gets to go to school for the third semester instead of going to jail.
Sometime in the future: Mitsuru Kirijo visits Akechi in prison. Offers him a choice.
Stay in jail, or be released into the custody of the Kirijo group, where he would work for them as a shadow operative, like a penance/probation of sorts, with the possibility of him even being fully released back into society one day.
It sucks that a lot of Persona content is never getting a dub. Persona 5 The Animation, Persona 3 Movies, Persona Q 2. But somehow the dancing games got dubs.
They knew what truly deserved the fundings for a dub.
The No More What Ifs song implies Akechi tried to live without regrets but couldn't and started pondering if he was a fool. Glad it's consistent with who he is in here where he still has regrets.
I think in the Royal 3rd Semester he accepted everything that happened though.
Except 3rd semester Akechi isn’t him. It’s Joker’s version of the guy.
@@trishahernz7809 Maruki's cognition overwrote reality and brought him back to life. It's supposed to be him.
Also there's the possibility he never died in the first place because in the post credits scene Joker sees a man that looks like Akechi out of a window.
I don't think it's Joker's cognitive version of Akechi, I just think Joker's wish was he could've saved Akechi so Maruki manipulated reality to bring him back to life. That's my interpretation anyway
That was surprisingly wholesome
Too bad Akechi forgets all about this too
I remember hearing something about how pq kind of affected p3 and p4 cast in some way and I like to think that akechi changed at the last moment because of all this not because he remembers but because something about himself changed ultimately :(
Akira Kurusu I mean Chie remembers Akihiko as her master in P4AU and BBCT so yeah
Because of P4A, not PQ.
Rutawind PQ as well. He taught her to box in PQ
Wait: I thought they forgot everything after PQ, did they not?
I always loved Shinji's facepalm expression in the Q series
It's kind of funny how the Persona 3 and Persona 4 casts spend the whole game being like "Man, Akechi, you're so cool and dependable."
And meanwhile, the Persona 5 cast is just over here like "Haha, this motherfucker." and plotting his downfall.
Perhaps Akechi finally get what Shinji was saying even if they'd forgotten each other after PQ2.
If Akechi could remember that conversation.. Would he have changed?
1:15 You're not allowed to just say yare yare without terrifying an entire generation
I was a bit confused akechi calling shinji with "-kun" then I remember they are in the same age here
Shinjiro can tell the dark path Akechi's going on & where it'll lead him.
wouldn't, all of the phantom thieves know of Akechi's plans to kill Joker, the phantom thieves' are very suspicious of Akechi even before the casino palace, when PQ2 is supposed to take place.
4:57 HOHOHO
Basically: Don't fuck it up, pancake boy
Shinjiro you deserve so much better.
He really did
I have never seen such a b.s answer for Akechi, “I like to stay away from crowds”, like dude, we see you in a lot of them.
He doesn't like crowds though. In his confidant he gets annoyed when fans spot him and lives a relatively introverted life in his free time like going to the Jazz Jin alone to think or enjoying hobbies like reading.
P5 Royal might give him a chance...
Raven the Dragon 🤞
Nope, he was a mass murderer before Joker ran into Shido.
_"Pancakes.... I don't want to hear that word again for a long, _*_long_*_ time."_
Man, the dialog in these Q games are incredible. This was the kind of top notch spin offs Atlus used to do and it's a damn shame they don't make em like this anymore.
Spoilers for the end of PQ2 p5 and p3
At the end of the game, Akechi really and I mean REALLY doesn’t want to leave. He knows he’s going to betray everyone, that’s what shinjiro was getting at. It doesn’t help that much more when you know both characters die after having this moment
Anything happens in stardust crusaders:
Jotaro: 1:15
I just realized something:
Shinjiro: "I've tried to undo some of it, but since i can't I try to live with no regrets."
No More What Ifs' lyrics (a song heavily based around Akechi's perspective): "I do not regret with my choices; im rather proud."
I wonder which one is worse,
having a Horrible past and becoming Bent on nothing but revenge,
or having a Horrible past and becoming Apathetic and afraid to continue.
IT WAS A MISTAKE READING THE COMMENTS BEFORE FINISHING P3 BYE IM OUT
Shinji: You are SO betraying them
Akechi: You are SO dead
Shinji: Fuck you
Akechi: Fuck You slightly more
i just noticed how stupid crows mask is
Akechi got a lot of trouble just for single stab
Means nothing really
Shinji has milllion IQ so smart to notice Akechi behaviour and confronted out of everyone tho to be fair it's easy to see his psychopathic tendency more than Adachi despite their name similarity.
Or he just wanted to see how he was doing.
Oof that ost. Anyone know the name?
When does it play?
@@RedXMatrix123 the one at the beginning of the video
same here
@@Bros_Before_Hee_ho_hos Song is called "Synchronized City (another version)" I believe
So which timeline is persona 5 is in this game? I know the first one was during the Typhoon in P3 and cultural festival in P4.
Pretty sure it's just before the Shadow Sae palace. Probably explained by the fact Akechi is still there.
During Saes palace
perhaps thank you. I haven’t played persona 5 but played persona q.
"Alongside time exists fate, the bearer of cruelty." Godspeed, The Royal, Godspeed.
When will Akechi and Shinji just go out for beers?
One of the first Genuine things Akechi says around the PT 1:42
You see that Shinji?
Two thieves of life. One with a guilty conscience and one without.
One with a chance for redemption another devoid of one....for now.
They do have alot in common...
They both Die!
One dead person to another: Give...up!
Crow and Shinji both killed someone's mum
See i love pq2 but i have just one simple question....HOW ARE THESE 2 ALIVE??? I saw in p3 and p5 tht both of them got shot. Shinjiro by takaya and Akechi by his cognitive self. When does this take place? Does it take place after october 4th and shido?? Cuz if thts the case than the phantom thieves and sees shouldnt remember those respective events. I get fan service and all but cmon thts kinda inconsistent
Icy Assassin It takes place in another dimension, where the casts of P3, P4 and P5 are taken out of their respective time periods and have to work together to escape, hence how they’re all similar ages.
@@hannahrpg2957 so im guessing tht this game takes place before sae and 10/4 bc akechi and shinjiro are still here
@@Noticer22 Yes, the P5 we see in Q2 are mid-way through infiltrating Sae's Palace, and the P3 cast have just come through the other side of the typhoon that hits Japan during the time they're meant to have their culture festival.
Adachi missing
The limited time party members duo
Okay, this is weird. I have never seen those differently colored warp panels, even though I'm on the 4th Movie. Were these optional?
It's a side quest you can accept from Elizabeth
I kinda hope this game gets a remaster on switch
Aren't the Phantom Thieves supposed to know about Akechi's bullshit tho?
I can't help but to imagine the P5 gang at the beggining of the game:
Akechi: Wait a second. This wasn't in the plan.
The Gang: What in the actual hell. What are we gonna do about *him?*
Joker: Keep playing along.
PQ2 stuff happens.
Akechi: What did I get myself into.
This is after finding the route to Sae's treasure and the day of the heist...Probably during a mission in mementos and they ended up here....it is the only way and since Sumire wasnt introduced yet it is the only time that Akechi is with the team....
even weirder after royal true end
"go on without me" says akechi
Ouch.
The universe is better without Akechi. He deserved punishment for his crimes.
@@mystery8820 someone's a ball of sunshine
That aside, based on your comment, I doubt you played persona 5
I thought crow on the line
how did you get the english game? (this comment is old do not respond it is already out)
hekcip but he is on youtube it came out that’s how
CarsensMask is it out in the states? I’m in the UK and it’s yet to be released. Got my copy due June 4th.
atlus sent the game out early on accident.
thanks fo the reply guys!
I believe he pre-ordered it in some website, idk
But the game released in a couple days
The relationship between Shinji and Akechi is very Similar to L and Light
Shinjiro: Look Goro, I don't know your business but I do sense or feel some very bad intent radiating out of you in the invisible. Kind of hard to explain. I to just can't forget all the dislike rage society dealt me plus the rigid everything in the world. All I'm saying create your own little world stay in it, be extra picky of those who enter your little world, if the wrong people in your little simple world merely boot kick them out.
get Eliza out that place, the hell is she doing?
elizabeth just watching in the background lmao
What is this? Is this canon? This just showed up on my recommendations. I've only ever played p5. Can someone pls pls pls pretty please pot favor explain what this is? Is this atlus official where the persona protagonists meet?
He fucking said the JoJo thing
Never played Persona 3, but I get the feeling that Shinjiro's arcana is The Hanged.
Edit: Nope, he's the Heirophant/Moon arcana? That seems like a weird choice.
If you play the game, it makes more sense
Ok so when are we getting the scene where shinjiro makes akechi pancakes
Hooooo boi. Aketchi has about as much regret as i do with the rotissary i ate earlier. Kinda wish i diddnt but its delicious so i dont mind
Goro-Celebrity and prince detective extraodinaire-Akechi: I am no good with crowds.
just elizabeth listening in the background.
Me: *sees blue-haired Makoto* HE’S ALIVE!
Date Masamune and Sanada Yukimura…
I mean, at this point all the phantom thieves should've known akechi true nature?
Masamune reunites with Yukimura.
Wait A Minute!??!
Zoro!!!!???
I know that voice anywhere!!
kazuya nakai does a rly good job aah