Giant TCR Advanced Pro 2 Disc Long-Termer | Will Carbon Wheels & 105 Keep Simon Happy?
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- This video contains paid product placement for Freewheel. The Giant TCR is one of the truly classic road bikes. The first model in the TCR series was created in 1995, and its compact frame design- borrowed from the mountain bike world- went on to influence practically every other road bike on the market today.
Iterations of the TCR have regularly featured in our Bike of the Year tests, with a cheaper model winning the coveted award outright in 2018.
For 2021, the Giant TCR sees a welcome change in design parameters, with overhauled tube shapes and an increased focus on all-round efficiency.
BikeRadar’s Technical Writer, Simon, has chosen the 2021 Giant TCR Advanced Pro Disc as his long term bike to ride. In this video, he talks us through the new bike and his first thoughts on it.
Tune in over the year to hear how the bike holds up long term, and any changes Simon makes to it.
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What do you think of Simon's TCR test bike? 🤔What would you change about his build? ⚙️Leave your thoughts in the comments below!
I like Simon, personality, knowledgable, doesn’t sound like a robot bike snob & he’s very tall.
32mm tires ✅.
I like the bike very much and Simon is great too but I can't help but feel that he needs a neck beard and an un-ironed shirt.
What would I change? The groupset, the frame and the wheels.
Shimano Di2
Yup, it's a beaut. Owned mine for a few weeks and I'm very happy so far, its handling and weight is just light years ahead of what I'd become used to with its Boardman predecessor. The ride is super smooth and everything just oozes quality. Great bike, thanks to Simon for the review, spot on.
A very informative and well presented overview without the usual cliches
Non-integrated seat tube is a definite plus for those of us that might need to sell the bike at some point in the future
Or ever travel with the bike. I had an isp bike for a while and got rid of it pretty quickly, it didn't fit in the back of the car or a bike bag. Very annoying. And I do like tweaking my fit a little bit every now and again
The fact that Giant makes their own frames in their own factories is, IMO, the biggest plus of this bike as it provides for a better QC environment. I'd love to own this bike!
You say that but I had to send my TCR frame back I bought as it had a dent in the carbon. Was gutted. Last one in UK....
Dave Cash That is horrible! Especially because of limited availability due to COVID-19 production limitations. Are you sure it left the factory with that damage? Or could it have happened in transit? Did you purchase it at LBS? Could they have inadvertantly damaged the bike? I'm not looking for excuses for Giant. But, without knowing more it's hard to tell if this was an issue of bad QC on Giant's part or something out of their control after it left the factory.
The Giant TCR is one of the nicest looking bike in my opinion. I own one and I love it!
But it has to be only M or M/L !!!
All other sizes look weird... imho
Just bought this in large, but the 2021 model. Can't wait. Going to swap out the bars and not sure on the wheels yet, as they are clearly decent wheels for training. Will see. Thanks for the review!
One year is definitely long enough for an extensive review! 😂 Hoping it does keep Simon happy!
a whole year with a 105 bike? I would outrage :D
@@raphaeltiziani7476 he is already light enough. Switching to ultegra is a waste of money, just put xtr brakes and a lighter saddle. I would go to ultegra if di2 only
@@raphaeltiziani7476 I think its good that he is testing the 105 as it is more accessible to more people
I bought my Giant TCR advanced 2 2020 one month ago in a shop bike in Canada with sale to 1400 USD. Really this bike is awesome, I only want to change the wheels for carbon wheels. For me, there are not a lot of difference with the model 2021. And I bought this bike a good price!
Nice review!
Woo! I reckon so. I just splashed out on ulteg (from 5800, failing/worn components and wanted to get more shinyness for fun,) and having had 1 ride so far, i can barely tell the difference.
Nice vid! I reckon those tube shapes are much more about stiffness/weight than aero but hey, that's marketing for ya. I'm quite a fan of the TCR anyhoos so any update to it i'm interested in.
42cm bars are indeed a fuggin' joke.
The 107 from Shimano is an excellent group set and a brilliant way of saving money in the absolute best place. It’s the easiest thing on the bike to upgrade if you wanted to and if you don’t, no worries it’s a fantastic way to go. Great video guys. I miss vegetable head every week.
where can i get 107? Is it 2 points better then 105? :P
I’d love a 107 group set too can you provide a link?
I knew tinMan was going to get brutalized for adding 2 points to the 105 groupset! Having said that, and despite the point inflation, he makes a very good point. All in all, well-done tinMan, well-done.
107 is the 105 with di2, simple maths really.
yeaaaaaa! 105 + Di2 upgrade kit
I have the giant advanced tcr pro disc 1 ...beautiful machine
I just got my new TCR built as per my own preferences, looks amazing, yet to ride as and when its sunny and dry outside.
How is it ?
You been for a ride yet? Lmfao
Gr8 video - An efficiently smooth presenter, with an efficiently smooth drivetrain.Pity Steven hasn't bothered to slam his stem like Wiggo though.
Who's Steven!?!
@@bikeradar Steven Bromley! I heard he beat the best Team Sky riders at the Palace crits?
No neck beard. No daggy tucked in t-shirt. This isn't BikeRadar.
Ordered white one US version in my LBS here in NJ. Waiting time is 10 weeks, other versions of TCR available in January.
Gregor Globocnik OMG Guess that leaves me time to save for an SL.
was it worth the wait?
17.35 lbs for disc brake 105, that's actually very good.
By far the best road bike I’ve ever owned. If you’re not racing, the 105 is all you will ever need
£3k and 105? That frame and those wheels had better be beyond awesome. In the video, it doesn’t look like a bike in that price bracket, but the proof is in the riding. I await your long term feedback 😊
Hydraulic disc, carbon frameset, full carbon wheels, it's a fair price, consider your local bike shop do always a discout
@@LucaBonato I don't doubt its a great bike and the wheels are very nice. 105 is great too. I'll just wait until the full review comes in before I part with my cash
@@LucaBonato I haven't found a single bike shop willing to discount a new bike at the moment. Not one.
luca bonato its a ridiculous price point
It looks not seems pricey for 105 but remember you get the 42mm carbon hoops. The supersix evo is arguably better value, but you give up quite a bit in weight to that.
Hey men, thanks a lot for the great review of this bike. Is there any difference with the 2022 new model?
The wheelset. 2021 slr1 2022 slr2
Where is the extended review you mentioned would be done in this video?
I ordered this bike in size M/L only have to wait until week 12 2021. I’m putting the black dura ace rotors on it and the slr stem. Can’t wait to get on the bike.
Hows things with your new ride, enjoying the bike?
Really wanted this frameset but due to Covid-19 it isn't available until next year ☹️
Nice. What shoes you riding Simon? Are you wearing overshoes in the vid (hard to tell on laptop)?, or are they pure white shoes, which I'm after, just i time for winter!
Hi Phil, no overshoes, just pearly white disco slippers and brand new socks! The shoes are Shimano RC5's (SH-RC500). As mentioned in the video, this kit was kindly supplied by Freewheel - www.freewheel.co.uk/
@@bikeradar - cheers Simon!
Good review Simon. It’s a bike I’d be interested in getting my son for road racing. You look quite tall, around 6ft? I note you may fit a longer stem. Would the M/L size still work for someone taller than you or is it going to start to get too cramped?
You must have very good eyes - Simon is 183cm tall, so pretty much bang on 6ft. He's most likely going to swap the stem for a 120mm option.
6'1" would be right at the top of what Giant recommends for a M/L, but a lot of it depends on your inside leg measurement. If you have longer legs, you'll likely need a larger frame size.
If you're 6'2" or taller, Giant recommends a size L, and Simon says he would agree - you'll likely need a fair amount of spacers under the stem (unless you want a huge amount of saddle to bar drop), as well as a 130mm or 140mm stem, if you're much taller than 6'1" and go for the M/L.
Hope that helps!
@@bikeradar Over the many years of riding I have learned never to trust the manufacturers recommendations on frame size which is almost always based on height. Two riders of the same height can have vastly different measurements of inseam, sternal notch (torso) and reach, all of which affect bike sizing far more than overall height. I'm 6 ft tall but have a very short torso, and long legs. I also have relatively long neck which adds to my overall height but has nothing to do with bike fit. I ride a size Medium TCR and run a 110mm stem (shorter torso means I need the shorter toptube of the M). For anyone who is planning on spending $4-5k on a bike, it just makes sense to get a professional bike fit. Once you have your ideal set up dimensions you can apply this to any road bike and fine tune accordingly. That's why manufactures provide geo charts and why any serious rider should learn how to read them. It is so easy to get on the wrong size bike and ride it for many years never even knowing how much more comfortable and more powerful you could be with a better setup
I'm a 184cm tall U16 racer, I don't have a TCR but a TCX in ML with an 100mm stem, it is a little tight and would definately buy a L if I was to change bikes.
I'm 184cm and ride a M/L TCR (2016) with a 120mm stem that fit's me perfectly and would highly recommend!
@@bikeradar Hey! Can you please confirm Simons saddle height from centre of bb to top of saddle? I am 180 cm tall, love how my quite low supersix 54 cm frame fits me. My only concern is that because of compact frame design seat tube is 4 cm shorter as on 54 cm super6. I might be close to maxing out seatpost on M. Thank you!
The weels on this 105 model are heavier than the ones on the ultegra model. You can differenciate them with the "2" vs "1" on ultergra model.
These are the same wheels as the Ultegra model. Slr 1
The slr 2 are On the Advanced 1+ and the defy pro 2
How is this going 1 year later? Im thinking of buying this bike. Im between this one and the adv 2 se, just because theres a real price difference where i live. I feel like the only difference are the wheels, is that right?
Really get the impression you're not overly excited initially by this bike
It’s not an S-Works, though. He would be super excited for that.
How do I get a custom build on a TCR? I can’t seem find that on their site. Would I need to go to my local shop?
These are nice bikes, but am I alone in thinking that Giant prices are either going up each year, or they are removing features and putting them in the next level up?
The 2020 Advanced Pro 1 used to have Ultegra Di2, now has plain Ultegra. My 2018 TCR had full RS505 hydro brakes, and the 2019 model had the ugly Connect semi-hydraulic system for the same price. There are similar compromises across the line (more expensive or fewer features).
Is this just Giant, or are prices going up with other brands?
Back in 2016, a TCR advance pro 2 came with ultegra groupset and crank, the 2022 comes with a 105 groupset and crank. The 2016 model I was quoted $4600, for this year's model, I was quoted $4995.
Prices and cost always go up so they have to compensate with lower quality parts.
How tall are you on a M/L model? :) very nice review
Same question 😂
Simon what is your body height? Why did you choose M/L vs L or M? And do you think M/L frame size on this particular model helps is achieving a more upright position and better handling compared to M? I have long legs with bidy height of 175cm and inseam of 87cm. I am stuck between M or M/L. Will be glad to hear replies on this comment.
Hi Imran, Simon is 183cm tall and is within the M/L recommended height range (he also swapped the stem for a 120mm version).
According to Giant's sizing recommendations, a M would most likely be right for you. If you go for a size up it will have longer reach and higher stack, and you may wish to run a shorter stem to compensate - this will have the effect of slightly speeding up the handling however. Simon says he generally prefers the slightly smaller frame with a longer stem for road riding, as he feels it makes it slightly more stable, but it's really down to personal preference.
Your best bet is probably to go to a Giant dealer and see if you can test ride a bike or even get a professional bike fit - it's worth it in the long run to make sure you get the right size. 👌
Can i make the cable fully intergrated by using different stem and bar?
Good question, but the answer is no, I'm afraid - there's no way to route the cables/brake hoses through the headset on a stock Giant TCR.
If you're using a wireless/semi-wireless groupset, then that tidies things up significantly (as you just have the two brake hoses to route), but that's as clean as it gets.
Cheers for watching! Simon
Other than the saddle (which isn't necessarily an upgrade as much as it is personalization), I would swap to 28c GP 5000 TLs. Beyond that, it seems like a really competitive build out of the box.
Kevin Graham Agree, but keep an eye out for if Conti have verified them on these specific hookless wheels. I know the 5000 have been designed with "hooks in mind" and it's not the thing you want to hope for the best.. Schwalbe Ones may be the other obvious option and seems better suited to hookless rims
Interested to know ride quality as I am looking at upgrading to an S Works Tarmac instead. I ride an Aussie model, Advanced TCR 0 (2014) Di2 which is extremely stiff, responsive and rough as hell on anything but the smoothest of asphalt. It rolls faster than most of my mates on DT Swiss alloys with GP4000s 25cc and descends superbly on rim brakes. But there is so little clearance between the rear and seat tube that a tiny stone chip or twig in the tyre will stick and bring it to a stop. Did I say the ride was harsh enough to feel a 2mm twig and every sprayed surface stone chip on a cycle/bus lane? So the love-hate do I trust another Giant dilemma is buy another TCR or a more high end bike? I don't race but still love a responsive bike for fast bunch riding and would value a big brand comparison as you ride the TCR.
I had the TCR advanced pro disc 2018 model. I ran 25s up front and 28s in the back...best bike I have ever owned and if giant had chosen to integrate the wiring through the stem I would absolutely get the new iteration. If you can test ride the later models you might find them more forgiving.
@@mayalman I have a 2018 TCR Advanced 1, and run 28mm Schwalbe Pro-Ones front and back. There is about 4mm clearance at the fork crown, and 4-5mm between rear tire and seat post. The 28mm tires are about 30mm wide and have plenty of lateral clearance - they are a bit tighter than optimal for height, but enough to be safe I think.
I also had hoped for tidier wiring on the new model. Not a deal-breaker, though.
This is the exact bike I am looking to buy, I can see you mention Simon is tall, I am 6ft 5, love a long 100 mile cycle, but also love to blast out 30 miles, would an XL be the correct size, just asking as you guys seem knowledgable etc
@samyates3654:
I’d say so but I suggest you wear a pair of comfortable shorts, a comfortable t-shirt, underwear, comfortable socks, and a pair of comfortable shoes, and you ask the local-bike-shop to put traditional “flat”-pedals on the bike, and get-on the bike, and try it.
Could you tell us the brand/model of your cool looking jersey?
Absolutely; the brand is Pearl Izumi and it's the Interval jersey in Pine/Atomic Red. As mentioned in the video, this kit was kindly supplied by Freewheel - www.freewheel.co.uk/
‘I believe in physics’. It’s not Santa, it’s science. 😉😂
How the pro version compared to standard version in real life? Aside from the wheels.
Hello!
I am in MTB for almost 2 years and I am converting to road bikes....What do you think about Giant Tcr Advanced 2016 model?
- Is it good for beginners?
- What is the perfect size for 1.78 cm Height?
- Can I do packaging with the bike
Had a 2018 model and upgraded to some 40mm carbon wheels. Rides superb. Best value ever. Only the older color schemes are not my thing. Now looking for the bike in this review.
Is it me or you're confusion Advanced vs Advanced Pro.
The advanced pro has only two options, Advanced pro 0 (ultegra di2) and Advanced pro 1 (ultetra mech).
Well this is at least in Canada.
Giant offers slightly different builds around the world, so this exact build may not be available in every territory, but it's definitely an Advanced Pro frameset (it has a full carbon fork). Thanks for your comment!
BikeRadar Good, if not even essential information to communicate in a global media such as YT ;) It's annoying of Giant to mess up our commenting and discussions with this old style geo fuzzing bizniz 😏, inspired by the car industry I suppose 🙄
rrp on this bike is now 3499. Still worth it?
Look if giant had integrated the cable routing through the stem this would have been a no brained for me...but they actually made the cabling messier...
I hope magnesium bikes come to replace carbon for not being environmentally friendly. For the moment, no doubt these carbon frames are top notch
I have the 2020 Model and I changed the105 to di2 - it was only a £300 upgrade and well worth it. Also changed the sluggish Gavia tyres to GP5000 which makes a big difference
Hello malcom, i’m from Spain and i think to buy this bike. How is possible the change for Di2 for only £300? Sorry for my english🙏🏻
@@danimarco5162 buying parts individually on ebay is the way to go
Clearance for 32 mm? Based on the stock 25 mm tyres in the video, I'll believe that on the rear. In the front though, it looks like you might fit a piece of paper between the fork and 32s...
As for the 105 drivetrain: yes, you wouldn't expect that on a 3k bike, but considering you're getting carbon wheels for that I'd say it's an even trade...
Simon hasn't changed the tyres yet, but he says the stock tyres measure closer to 28mm (as he mentions in the video) and there's definitely plenty of room for bigger tyres in the fork. 🕺😉🚴
Tires, saddle and maybe cranks.
The cranks are purely just for weight savings if anything
Everything is perfect except the painting 😂😂😂
What si your size? The M/L in Giant is weird
3:14 first time I’ve heard an Englishman use “slash” as opposed to “stroke”.
what size is the bike in this video?
This bike is a size M/L 👍
what kind of shoes are that
What size ur ride? Cheers
3:33
That sucks, Giant doesn’t offer this build in the US.
Precise
Is it fully carbon?
Yes, both the frame and fork are full carbon 👌
Wheels that narrow make no sense on a bike that's supposed to take wide tires. You'd basically have to run 23s to get much of an areo benifit.
This. Wheels should have been much wider externally, shame.
Hi, what is the weight ?
I think he said 7.7kg
He said 7,87kg
If you are spending the sort of money to get a TCR Pro frameset....you should really just get next one up with Ultegra. Much better value for money surely
Possibly... The next model up does have Ultegra and a built in power meter (which I think is what really adds value to that build)... But it's also £600 more, which is a sizeable chunk of cash, and not everyone will be willing to spend it.
@@simonvonbromley3424 it's not much when you're forking out £2500-3500 in my view. Although you are right. but! the TCR advanced 1 disc is full ultegra for less again.(that's the bike i used to have, and the frame was still very light and stiff ) I beleive the grade of carbon used is actually the same on both the Adv & Pro but the Pro has the full carbon steerer & fork where as the Adv doesn't. Not 100% sure if it's different on this year's range. But even so I'd personally opt for a better groupset than a very slightly better frameset. And for most people that would be the better choice I reckon. Unless you're doing loads and loads of climbs maybe
here on east coast of USA it's more about what's in stock. i'd buy the ultegra model but none in stock within 800 miles so i bought the 105.
Those hoods look weird without a cushy bar tape
Smokin Package! 32c Kush Town Rollin On Fatties! Au'rai...
When I looked up the US spec. on this bike it listed a Shimano RS-510 crankset. The one in this video has a 105 crankset. 105 is as good as Ultegra.The only reason to go to Ultegra would be for the Di2 edition.
5:31
Is that crack ??
if the day after purchase you already think about the upgrades... ;-)
Where are the updates?
2:07 hambini might not even be angry at you after saying this 😄
What's your height?
A year ? What ?
lower bb, less cornering ability and more pedal strikes. you say its aero but can't justify that with cables everywhere. Sure the frame is alright but disc brakes, and bearing's that may be faster but don't last as long? Confused, is it an aero or a climbing bike? Could've gone more aero such as the Trek Emonda and been faster on the flats and climbs. I love my TCR but does the new one justify upgrading? Not really
130 stem 40 bars
Upgrade the driving system to SRAM axs to eliminate some cables.
Hi, I am 185 cm tall, I have a 91cm horse and I pedal 80.7 cm, which size do you recommend!?

ML
MTB design and geo makes big changes every year as trail design and riding style evolve.
Road bikes hardly change or the changes made are tiny and incremental, so unless you are a total dentist who needs the latest for the cafe show n shine these latest changes would do fuck all for the average rider. Oh and disc brakes finally, welcome to 2001.
Still have my 2011 Spec Tarmac and still haven’t seen any reason to upgrade. Save your dosh.
it's cheap because
1. carbon rims but hookless tubeless
2. Giant branded in-house components
3. Giant owns their own factory
everything is brilliant on this bike except for one major gripe and that being I'm just not sure if the cable will rub against my thighs as I go out of the saddle or not. If it does, will need to think of a solution to solve that.
Just cut the cable a bit.
fyi: the wheels are only compatible w giant tyres
As thing's stand, it's correct that only Giant's tubeless tyres are approved for use on these wheels. Giant did tell us it is working with third party tyre manufacturers to expand its list of approved tyres though, so we hope that won't take too long. Simon covered it in a little more detail in his written review; www.bikeradar.com/reviews/bikes/road-bikes/giant-tcr-advanced-pro-2-disc-long-term-review/
Well that is a load a Apple-style prime bullshit then.
@@dimsoneillnot really. Check tire compatibility now.
7.87kg? Is that including pedals?
Without pedals or bottle cages ⚖️🧮🧑🔬
Longer stem first
The tcr advanced sl with ultegra in China cost less than this bike lmao
LMAO like those contraband iphone lookalike? There is no TCR Adv SL 2021 w/ Ultegra from Giant for China.
D L tcr adv sl 2. It’s rim though, but it’s cheap af, I’ll get it next year.
@@Dee-Ell Its this one www.giant-bicycles.com/int/tcr-advanced-sl-2-kom-2021
Marcus Cheung Good to know. I was looking at the Giant China website. Looks like an interesting option if it’s cheaper than the Pro.
D L it’s not shown on China’s website, however, all Giant shops can get product from TW
Spend £3k then upgrade. I don’t get it
You don't have to of course, but tinkering is part of the fun with bikes!
So many black bikes from giant in 2021 it’s so boring. I bought a black bike 4 years ago. Please give some tasteful bright colors!
not according to he UK website: the only 2021 TCRs in black are the 2 rim options. There's one in raw carbon and 2 grey plus a rage of others .
Jason Clarke even in the UK they’re all black, dark grey, or carbon which is essentially black! The only nice one is the pro 0 which is blue and doesn’t have the horrible cable routing either because it’s di2. What I was saying is they are mostly dark and dull colours which were the trend years ago!
@@BikeLife154 they only put nicer colours on the top end bikes, the one's they mostly want to sell 😂 apparently spending $5,000 aud on a bike in 2022 isn't enough.
Need to hide the cables
Head angles, what are you a mountain biker? What’s the trail? That’s all that counts.
Three grand for 105 🤣🤣🤣
In the US 3k gets you a tcr ultegra, guess it depends on region.
You’d have to have lost the plot completely to pay 3k for this. Look what you can get from Rose or Canyon for the same or less - crazy
@@cannonfodder691 I'll take the 105 groupset and the better frame from Giant any day. The fact that Giant makes their own frames in their own factories gives them substantive advantages in quality control over companies like Rose or Canyon. RE: Hambini
@@MrLuigi-oi7gm giant alson has a crash replacement program in my area. You crash, you get a new frame.
Agree with all of you, but mine would be second hand and under half the cost.
upgrade the wheels
Lost me at exposed cables and non-integrated cockpit
You could get those things on a Trek and pay double
@@DonScian Don't forget that the new Trek gives you Ultegra to save 200 grams. Oh wait the sl6 is still 600 grams heavier then this 105 bike. 😆
@@DonScian and weighs like a lorry. bloody Emonda
DonScian they could have integrated the damn wiring...As silly as it may sound I prefer to buy literally any other 2021 bike because of the cabling, and I love the last tcr...I am looking for a new bike and I am leaning toward BMC
2:09 do you just read the press release?
Well it is maybe better than round tubes but all the cables do much more damage to the aerodynamic than the tube shape. This looks a bit ugly. 😟
Classically ugly....nothing more boring than a Giant bike...it's a shame that Giant had such a negative influence on style....looks like a lady's bike, so guys try to toughen them up by going with black so now every guy is basically riding a boring black lady's bike in their all black 'kit'...lol ps...love passing guys on their carbon bikes...last time I just happened to mention my Frejus is from 1972!!
Okay mate whatever you say
Sounds like you don't like black then....!
Lifesaver or coffin dodger?
@@chrisdunn8215 after 3 years you have probably gone with the bold step of going from black to black
@@dickieblench5001 other day passed a guy all in black with a black carbon bike and no helmet..he said he looked cooler that way..didnt make him any faster though...ps havent passed him lately so hope he is ok.