My 2019 2.7 (23,500 miles) had the blue smoke after a cold start when I parked at a slight uphill. I took the Ford TSB to the dealer and they ordered the part and fixed it. No more blue smoke. 😄
I've got a 2019 2.7 , booked appointment 3 weeks ago and I just rolled over 60k miles. Appointment is tomorrow. I called and they said nope it's out of warranty. They won't touch it without me getting my wallet out.
I recently replaced both of my turbos, and as such, both of these oil feed lines on each side. Before I decided to replace the lines, I flushed them with brake cleaner. Upon doing this, I realized that I had a free flow of brake cleaner through the passenger side line. The driver side would not flow any brake cleaner through the first I thought “there is my restrictions, and probably the reason why my driver’s side turbo failed”. But upon closer inspection, there is a ball or check valve underneath the filter on the driver side passenger side line does not have. I can only assume that check valve is what what was updated, and as what, keeps oil from draining down into the turbo housing and being burned. Love your videos 💪
Good fix. Your work with the 5.4 3 valve is why I follow your channel. I’m still nursing mine along and planning the timing job as needed. So far I got away with just replacement of the CTV Solenoids and changed to 5w30. Amazing what a guy can learn from an experienced mechanic. Thanks
Yeah I'm in it for the long haul with my 5.4, for a while everytime I would watch one of his videos on common issues with the 5.4 it would be a short time till mine would need the same thing. So needless to say I'm quite proficient with the 5.4 3 valve. I use my truck way beyond normal wear and tear so I'm not going to keep saying it's been all bad, ok I'm lying, it's been terrible since about 130k on it. But I may as well stick with it since I have already worked on just about every part on it.
Just performed this repair on my 2019 F150 with 2.7L at 63k miles. Thanks for posting this video. It helped me quickly diagnose and fix this issue. New pipe has been in a week and no more smoking on start up 👍
Did you use the parts listed in the TSB? I have a 2018 and the Ford parts site says the oil line doesn't fit. Searched it as a 2019 and it said the same thing. I used VINs for the parts search. Thanks.
I took it to a mechanic. It appeared to fix the issue for about 2 months but I just noticed the smoke again so it appears to be another contributing factor
The 2019 I leased, did it. I returned the lease when they had a vehicle shortage without any penalty. I lost my job while the height of covid and it helped save a little money monthly.
I'll add, for those that might be looking for smoke from their trucks, the blue smoke is definitely oil and I've seen this repair work many times. All of these trucks do smoke white several seconds after startup, like seen in the video, as a normal condition. We had to chase the white smoke for a customer several times before ford responded to us, saying the trucks are programmed to heat the catalytic converters shortly after starting, in order to remove built up condensation. Many people confuse this as an oil or coolant burning issue.
My girlfriend is strongly considering a 2.7 with about 50,000 miles on it. Are y’all saying that this blue smoke thing is not a problem? I ask because she has had absolutely horrible luck with cars in the past two years. She got a little over 24,000 miles out of the 2017 1 L turbo Ford focus we got her a year ago and it just seized from engine knock (after getting the oil light on the dash the day before) the other day (91K miles) straight off the oil change rack. Needless to say after all the money I dumped into the car, I am scarred and skeptical about turbo charged gas engines. If she gets the truck, and this is an issue that needs to be addressed, I want to address it asap. Please let me know what y’all think. Thank you!
@@colinc1633 the 1.0 ecoboost in the focus was a throw away engine. Sorry to hear that happened, but ford does have a TSB stating if it has low oil pressure codes, just put an engine and turbo in it. The focus' in general are nightmare cars and we won't sell them anymore. The 2.7 isn't a horrible engine, and the smoking on startup isn't a catastrophic failure of any kind. The only failures I've seen were 2 different 2.7 motors leaking oil through the valve guides, which ford also has a TSB out for(17-2077), but that's only for trucks built between April 1st, 2016-January 1st 2017. Turbos aren't much of a concern on newer models, as long as you're changing oil and doing other maintenance regularly, and like many cars you might expect to do phasers at some point, and an oil pan reseal. Either way, just get a decent service contract and they'll usually cover that stuff. I don't think you'll have as many issue as you did with a 1.0 focus.
Hey man thanks! I got mine fixed under warranty at 59,700 miles. Just 300 miles under the powertrain warranty. I love the videos. If you are out of your powertrain the parts cost about $150-200 dollars, and a few hours labor.
I’m having this issue with my 2016 Expedition (it’s the 2014-style F150 EcoBoost engine)… and my dealership said that it was normal 2x - but I can SMELL the richness of the oil in my exhaust… thanks Ford
The white smoke is likely from condensate in that giant muffler and resonator as they cool off, especially overnight. My 2017 has a factory pinhole on the bottom of the muffler. When it clogs up I get the smoke. When it's unclogged and working, I get a blackish wet spot under the muffler.
I had a 2015 Lincoln MKC with the 2.0 turbo ecoboost engine. And i was told that this is VERY common with turbo engines after sitting for a while. Upon a cold start up. It never bothered me or the car's performance at all. So while this may have been a problem with this particular vehicle. Many other Ford or Lincoln vehicles do the same thing whether it's a 2.0, 2.3, or 3.0 turbo ecoboost engine.
Appears that the second lower O-Ring was letting some oil by-pass and building up high pressure that the blue O-Ring couldn't block then leaking into the turbo. One would think it would be happening all the time, thus burning oil. What was the condition of the oil level consumption over 3k miles?
Great video. I just completed this on my 2017 Ford F-150 2.7l EcoBoost. I'm not sure if it's just specific to the 2015-2017 models, but the updated line had a check valve on the filtered inlet end going to the block. The one I took off the truck, what appeared to be original, looked identical to the 'updated' one for $250. When I popped the filter off the new line I noticed the check valve. I did not have the 2 o-ring set-up at all.
@@MANtrout705 not at the moment brother, I’m still looking into it and will update - please do the same! I’m thinking either driver side turbo prematurely failing internal seals (113k miles) or engine valve guide seals.
My 2017 2.7 Ecoboost does this as well. Dealer said it was normal, then said it was that turbo supply side issue and replaced it, but it is still doing it.
wow, I can't believe that works! I noticed my 18 is doing the smoke at startup after I let it sit for a few days. I wonder if that redesigned pipe is keeping oil from dripping out of the head and through that tube (and thus the turbo) when the engine is off and oil is slowly draining back? the change eliminating an 0 ring and changing the shape of that inlet makes me think they are doing something to try and solve drain back.... would be nice to know how that oil passage in the head works.
When I was with BMW we had the same thing on our N20 and N26 engines. When parked overnight the engine oil pressure will equalize and leak past the turbine seal. Our new feed line had a check valve in the engine side. I’m sure that one does too internally. Prevents oil pressure equalizing. Those engines were only single turbo though, wonder why Ford only wants the driver side line replaced?
I had a 2016 2.7 that on cold days would produce so much white smoke on startup that my daughter once thought the truck was on fire. Took it to the dealership, they suggested the turbo line, changed it out which did help some but the truck would still produce giant plumes of steam on cold start when ever the temps were below 60.
Great video. I'm curious on why the coolant line has to be removed on the 2015-2017's to change the oil feed tube? I can see having to remove the turbo flange bolt/stud is required to access the oil tube mounting bolt.
Have you done this on a 2016 F-150 with the 2.7l? The TSB states that the driver’s side tire and fender shield have to come off but I see you didn’t have to do this in your video. Didn’t know if there is a big change in procedure from a 2016 vs the 2018 you worked on in this video. Thank you for your time and all of the information you share
I am a subscriber and have a problem. Yesterday my 2013 f150 4x4 plat ecoboost died after leaving a driveway with a dip. The dealership did the fuse # 27 relocate years ago. Truck cranks, no start, full power to everything. Do you have a vid of fuel pump or fpcm troubleshooting? Thnx much
Mine did the same thing bought the parts to fix it from the dealer but before I did the install I purchased and installed a oil separator hasn't smoked since parts are still on my tool box
The wiring harness terminates at the front drivers side door pillar. From my understand there is TSB for it. The wiring harness from the fuel pump to the door pillar MAY need to be replaced. The truck cab has to be raised to get access to the harness. Don't start replacing parts just because someone says. I THINK YOU should replace this and that. I should know..😄
I took my 2019 in last week to the Dealer for the blue smoke problem. They mentioned that TSB for it and have the tube on order. I'm hoping it fixes it as well. Thanks for posting this!
Your video is great help. Went to dealer back in 2021, they changed the left turbo oil supply tube, but did not resolve the issue. So went back two weeks later, but the dealer stated white/blue smoke is normal. Out of curiosity, are the newer and older oil supply tubes have same part number? Thank you for your help.
I have been getting a hint of burnt oil in the mornings when I first start the truck but I haven’t noticed any blue smoke but how often do you start your truck while you’re looking at the tailpipe so this is definitely something I’m going to look into thanks for the enlightening video.
if you park it for more than a day it may smoke more. mine doesn't really do it if I drive daily, but if I let it sit for a few days it'll smoke pretty good.
Interesting and odd fix. Are these 2.7's good motors? Cam phasers? I heard they had problems with oil pans leaking. Did they get that fixed? is the 2.7 worth buying in the F150?
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Apparently also applies to 'Some 2015-2017 F-150 vehicles equipped with a 2.7L EcoBoost engine' - TSB #TSB 19-2188 Jul 09, 2019. I'm keeping my eye on my 2017.
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Thanks for making these videos! My 2016 2.7 is doing this. I see there was a tsb for my year as well. Your video only mentions 2018-2020. Does anyone know if there is any remarkable difference in the access or job for a 2016 2.7?
Great video's. I'm dealing with a 2015 f150 2.7. The temp gauge spikes and fans run wide open. The engine never overheats. No code set. I did read somewhere the coolant sensor needs replacing. This looks like a lot of work. Am I heading the right rabbit? I replaced the head temp sensor but no help. Nice to hear from you is you should respond to me. Thanks Ford dealer say radiator hose collzapex . they twisted the hose and replaced The coolant. $536.00 bucks later same problem.
I have a 2015 F150 3.5 ecoboost my truck was doing the same thing (fan on highest setting even though engine is cold and only been running for 1-2 minutes). I did a lot of internet searching and watching TH-cam videos and for most people it can boil down to 1-3 things causing it: 1. A/C pressure sensor (located just behind the radiator passenger side) like you mentioned is bad (or the connector to this sensor is bad) and needs to be replaced 2. Using non-OEM thermostats can cause this issue. Replace the non-OEM with a Ford thermostat (180F setting) 3. The A/C expansion valve (passenger side behind wheel well) is clogged or malfunctioning. Clean it our or replace it and recharge the A/C system to factory spec. Using 1 (or all) of those fixes listed above seemed to get rid of the fan running on high speed all the time for 97% of the people that had the problem in the Ford forums and on TH-cam.
That's crazy I drive a 2013 Ford f150 5.0 coyote motor and at startup I'll see Blue smoke what I end up doing and finding out that the PCV valve was bad I couldn't find no video about PCV valves on the 5.0 l and their location I'm not really a car guy but I figured it out can you do more videos about the 5.0 2009 all the way up to 2014
@FordTechMakuloco Great video! I have been to the dealership 3 times for this issue and they were just shy of taking the engine apart. This all started from an oil change where they overfilled it. My gut told me to hold off as nothing was mechanically wrong with my 2018 F150. I wish I would have found this sooner, definitely subscribing to your channel! I'm looking to make this repair myself, can you advise where to purchase all the necessary parts for this repair online?
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Do you know if the Baxter Performance Adapter would cause this as well. They claim oil is fully drained from the oil system with in 18 hours of sitting and can cause motor damage. Your explanation states oil must drain completely....
We dropped a jasper 5.3 in our old suburban and the old motor never puffed a bit of smoke or drank oil. The new motor smoked on the highway and drank oil. We pulled off the driver side valve cover and cleaned the integrated PCV & filter thoroughly so that it breathed freely. Still smoking. Bought a new valve cover and boom fixed. Weird..
Great video. I have a 2019 F150 2.7 EB. After watching this video I noticed the blue smoke. It’s not a lot of smoke, but noticeable. Is the blue smoke more of an annoyance to owners or a more serious problem if not fixed can be detrimental to the engine?
My 2.7 had the smoke issue, about a year ago the dealer replaced the oil pan because of the leaks (another well known issue) after that no more smoke in the exhaust.
Mine is a 2016 and had same problem. Dealer told me turbo booster fitting and it would be 700 plus. He also said oil pan and with warranty it was only $100. Said lets do cheaper thing first and as of now no smoke at all. And they changed timing casing screws for free.
I would have thought that was total baloney but it makes sense: while the engine is running the oil is pumped under pressure and when the vehicle is off you would want it to drain back into the head. Only thing I worry about is leaks down the road due to elimination of the first o-ring but at least you'll make a video about that now, if it happens. Lol.
What is your take on the 3.5 EcoBoost cam phaser bulletin? My 2018 Expedition is affected by it and the dealer told me they will replace it only if it starts acting up. I am a bit concerned about it.
Thanks, I love watching your videos. I have a 2018 2.7 TT Fusion Sport. I've never noticed blue smoke on startup but I'm always in it. Is it mentioned in a similar TSB, I haven't seen one? Thanks.
I have a 2016 2.7 with this issue. It's quite embarrassing when others comment on it because at times the amount of smoke produced can be alarming. Will this solve the problem for mine as well? If so, what is the part number? Thanks in advance! Matt
My 2018 Ford F150 ecoboost 2.7 just started having this issue about 2 months ago. I finally got around to working on it. I removed the old oil supply line and brought it to the Ford dealer. The part they provided was the exact ae one. Parts guy at the dealer said there was no change on the part is having the issue. Do you have the part number for the new line that you have??? Help please
The new tube assembly per the TSB is JU7Z-9T516-A. I'm having this same issue on my 2018. Have you had any luck in resolving the problem since you posted here?
I saw on "I do cars" channel he said those screens should be removed on Subaru turbo engines. Must be a finer screen. Those ford ones look pretty course.
@@ctbale1 this is why I wonder. I used to have WRX's and this was a failure point. Losing a turbo due to oil starvation at full boost also meant a high probability of losing the engine. I've pulled the screens on the Subaru, Im not sure that they are that much finer. However different engines different oiling systems. Plus subaru engines seem more finicky in general. I wonder if every manufacturer uses screens.
That should under the Emissions category at the very least. Oil could kill the O2 sensors or CAT given enough oil passing by. 2 years/24000 federal, 7 years/70000 California.
Mabey they added a restrictor orifice inside the new tube so it delivers less oil. That way it doesn't overfill the turbo housing, so drain back can happen quicker when you shut it off. Over delivery of oil in the low friction environment could also cause it to consume oil while running, but was undetectable because the engine is up to temp.
@@hochhaul If the oil is to spec and it's maintained to any extent "sludge" shouldn't be circulating in the pressurized oil galley of any engine. Restrictors or Orifices are part of many lube systems. Piston coolers being an example, never heard of one clogging ????
The new part likely restricts / regulates oil flow to the drivers side turbo. Possibly from that deleted o-ring allowing oil to bypass the feed instead of forcing oil into it. Not uncommon to need to do this in the performance world where oil pressures are much higher and turbo placement itself can tend to cause smoking issues.
off subject my 98 taurus climate radio wont turn on only the rear defrost works all fuses check out any suggestions.also before it completely died at time when i started the car i would hear clicking sound and radio would cycle on to off.
I did notice smoke on one start up, but nothing since. Have you dealt with engine code error P21D2? Just had the injector 4 replaced and spark plugs as well. Engine light back on. I see one post about possible MAF or MAP sensor issue.
Any video oh how to fix brake leak on 2011 f150 rear disc brake seen like is coming out the emergency brake ?? I was thinking they are still mechanical work we cable???
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My 2019 2.7 (23,500 miles) had the blue smoke after a cold start when I parked at a slight uphill. I took the Ford TSB to the dealer and they ordered the part and fixed it. No more blue smoke. 😄
Will they do this for free out of warranty?
Nope they won't. I've been fighting them all week
I've got a 2019 2.7 , booked appointment 3 weeks ago and I just rolled over 60k miles. Appointment is tomorrow. I called and they said nope it's out of warranty. They won't touch it without me getting my wallet out.
Can you tell me if the gen 2 2.7L ecoboost has this issue? Mine is a 2019 XLT.
I do not own a truck but I really appreciate your time and help to the truckers community.
God bless you and yours 🙏
I recently replaced both of my turbos, and as such, both of these oil feed lines on each side.
Before I decided to replace the lines, I flushed them with brake cleaner.
Upon doing this, I realized that I had a free flow of brake cleaner through the passenger side line.
The driver side would not flow any brake cleaner through the first I thought “there is my restrictions, and probably the reason why my driver’s side turbo failed”.
But upon closer inspection, there is a ball or check valve underneath the filter on the driver side passenger side line does not have.
I can only assume that check valve is what what was updated, and as what, keeps oil from draining down into the turbo housing and being burned.
Love your videos 💪
I was doing this repair and noticed the same thing. I wish there was a detailed document with more info about the updated line.
Good fix. Your work with the 5.4 3 valve is why I follow your channel. I’m still nursing mine along and planning the timing job as needed. So far I got away with just replacement of the CTV Solenoids and changed to 5w30. Amazing what a guy can learn from an experienced mechanic. Thanks
I’ve got 180K on my 5.4 3 valve, just chugging along. But I’m eyeing a newer 2.7 or the NA little 6 cylinder.
Got 253,000 on my 08 5.4 . Still truckin 😎👍👍
Yeah I'm in it for the long haul with my 5.4, for a while everytime I would watch one of his videos on common issues with the 5.4 it would be a short time till mine would need the same thing. So needless to say I'm quite proficient with the 5.4 3 valve. I use my truck way beyond normal wear and tear so I'm not going to keep saying it's been all bad, ok I'm lying, it's been terrible since about 130k on it. But I may as well stick with it since I have already worked on just about every part on it.
I got a 2 valve is that one not as good as a 3 valve 5.4?
@@truepyro28 Never had the 2 valve but I have not heard any bad comments on it.
Just performed this repair on my 2019 F150 with 2.7L at 63k miles. Thanks for posting this video. It helped me quickly diagnose and fix this issue. New pipe has been in a week and no more smoking on start up 👍
Did you use the parts listed in the TSB? I have a 2018 and the Ford parts site says the oil line doesn't fit. Searched it as a 2019 and it said the same thing. I used VINs for the parts search. Thanks.
I took it to a mechanic. It appeared to fix the issue for about 2 months but I just noticed the smoke again so it appears to be another contributing factor
@@Justin-jn2qx thank you. It would be great if you could update what the issue is if you find out.
Also can some explain what happens if you dont fix it or if its will be a problem.
The 2019 I leased, did it. I returned the lease when they had a vehicle shortage without any penalty. I lost my job while the height of covid and it helped save a little money monthly.
I'll add, for those that might be looking for smoke from their trucks, the blue smoke is definitely oil and I've seen this repair work many times.
All of these trucks do smoke white several seconds after startup, like seen in the video, as a normal condition.
We had to chase the white smoke for a customer several times before ford responded to us, saying the trucks are programmed to heat the catalytic converters shortly after starting, in order to remove built up condensation. Many people confuse this as an oil or coolant burning issue.
Yup you can see it is more of a steam and not a thicker white smoke from coolant or fuel.
My girlfriend is strongly considering a 2.7 with about 50,000 miles on it. Are y’all saying that this blue smoke thing is not a problem? I ask because she has had absolutely horrible luck with cars in the past two years. She got a little over 24,000 miles out of the 2017 1 L turbo Ford focus we got her a year ago and it just seized from engine knock (after getting the oil light on the dash the day before) the other day (91K miles) straight off the oil change rack. Needless to say after all the money I dumped into the car, I am scarred and skeptical about turbo charged gas engines. If she gets the truck, and this is an issue that needs to be addressed, I want to address it asap. Please let me know what y’all think. Thank you!
@@colinc1633 the 1.0 ecoboost in the focus was a throw away engine. Sorry to hear that happened, but ford does have a TSB stating if it has low oil pressure codes, just put an engine and turbo in it. The focus' in general are nightmare cars and we won't sell them anymore.
The 2.7 isn't a horrible engine, and the smoking on startup isn't a catastrophic failure of any kind. The only failures I've seen were 2 different 2.7 motors leaking oil through the valve guides, which ford also has a TSB out for(17-2077), but that's only for trucks built between April 1st, 2016-January 1st 2017.
Turbos aren't much of a concern on newer models, as long as you're changing oil and doing other maintenance regularly, and like many cars you might expect to do phasers at some point, and an oil pan reseal.
Either way, just get a decent service contract and they'll usually cover that stuff. I don't think you'll have as many issue as you did with a 1.0 focus.
I have a 2017 2.7 with 54,000 miles. Noticed this problem around 50,000 miles. Thanks for showing the fix!
My 2017 also had that issue. Got the oil supply tube replaced under warranty. No problems since then.
Good to hear. Unfortunately my truck is out of warranty.
I also have the same truck, did you mileage go bad by any chance cause my has 18mpg average and i really want to know what the issue is
Brian, as always, spot on repair and great lighting/video demonstration of the location, and what's needed to do the correct fix!
Hey man thanks! I got mine fixed under warranty at 59,700 miles. Just 300 miles under the powertrain warranty. I love the videos. If you are out of your powertrain the parts cost about $150-200 dollars, and a few hours labor.
I believe the issue was due to oil weeping past the turbo seals after a hot soak and the revised tube allows for better drain back after shutdown.
I think it allows for a vacuum break of sorts so it can fully drain the line yes.
This is what immediately came to my mind. Retaining pressure inside that line and weeping past the impeller seal into the exhaust side.
@@FordTechMakuloco That makes sense, I couldn’t even think of a reason why taking an o-ring away would solve this issue! Thanks Bri
@@FordTechMakuloco my 2015 2.7 eco has 99,000 miles on it and is doing the exact same thing. Could this apply to the 15’s as well? Thanks man!
@@Ben_jamin123 I also have a 2015 and wonder the same thing
I’m having this issue with my 2016 Expedition (it’s the 2014-style F150 EcoBoost engine)… and my dealership said that it was normal 2x - but I can SMELL the richness of the oil in my exhaust… thanks Ford
I can't believe that fixed the issue. It's like a customer saying his power steering is whining. Fords fix: change the spark plugs.
It is well known that the power steering gets sad when the spark plugs wear out. ROTFL.
The white smoke is likely from condensate in that giant muffler and resonator as they cool off, especially overnight. My 2017 has a factory pinhole on the bottom of the muffler. When it clogs up I get the smoke. When it's unclogged and working, I get a blackish wet spot under the muffler.
Where is this pinhole, is it obvious? Im assuming bottom side near the furthest back flange?
The white isn’t smoke. It’s condensation.
I had a 2015 Lincoln MKC with the 2.0 turbo ecoboost engine. And i was told that this is VERY common with turbo engines after sitting for a while. Upon a cold start up. It never bothered me or the car's performance at all. So while this may have been a problem with this particular vehicle. Many other Ford or Lincoln vehicles do the same thing whether it's a 2.0, 2.3, or 3.0 turbo ecoboost engine.
Wow Brian a simple tube get the job done have a great day bro. Blessings always…
Appears that the second lower O-Ring was letting some oil by-pass and building up high pressure that the blue O-Ring couldn't block then leaking into the turbo. One would think it would be happening all the time, thus burning oil. What was the condition of the oil level consumption over 3k miles?
Great video. I just completed this on my 2017 Ford F-150 2.7l EcoBoost. I'm not sure if it's just specific to the 2015-2017 models, but the updated line had a check valve on the filtered inlet end going to the block. The one I took off the truck, what appeared to be original, looked identical to the 'updated' one for $250. When I popped the filter off the new line I noticed the check valve. I did not have the 2 o-ring set-up at all.
My 2016 is doing this. Need to find the part
Did it fix your problem?
It did temporarily, but it did not fix the problem in the long run. I still get intermittent blue smoke on start-up. @@chrisfit
@@slowyo9645any solutions since this one was only temporary? I’m currently looking to stop this in my 2017 2.7 ecoboost
@@MANtrout705 not at the moment brother, I’m still looking into it and will update - please do the same! I’m thinking either driver side turbo prematurely failing internal seals (113k miles) or engine valve guide seals.
Brand new truck already in the shop I love it!
My 2017 2.7 Ecoboost does this as well. Dealer said it was normal, then said it was that turbo supply side issue and replaced it, but it is still doing it.
Did you ever chase down the issue? My 2017 is doing the same. Replaces the line, still does it. Ford says it's "normal" Not sure what else to do
My 2016 does it, is it the same oil feed turbo line that the 2018-20 use?
Thank you for this video. Would you mind giving the part numbers for the gaskets/seals on the Egr line, and the torque values? Thanks in advance.
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wow, I can't believe that works!
I noticed my 18 is doing the smoke at startup after I let it sit for a few days.
I wonder if that redesigned pipe is keeping oil from dripping out of the head and through that tube (and thus the turbo) when the engine is off and oil is slowly draining back? the change eliminating an 0 ring and changing the shape of that inlet makes me think they are doing something to try and solve drain back....
would be nice to know how that oil passage in the head works.
Keep up with the videos even if they're short ! Love your content. 👍
My fan did the same thing. My mechanic pumped all my freon out then add it back. So far that fixed it.
When I was with BMW we had the same thing on our N20 and N26 engines. When parked overnight the engine oil pressure will equalize and leak past the turbine seal. Our new feed line had a check valve in the engine side. I’m sure that one does too internally. Prevents oil pressure equalizing. Those engines were only single turbo though, wonder why Ford only wants the driver side line replaced?
Brian
Always looking forward to seeing your next presentation !
awesome thank you. mine started doing it around 20k miles. Not every morning, but enough to cause concern.
I had a 2016 2.7 that on cold days would produce so much white smoke on startup that my daughter once thought the truck was on fire. Took it to the dealership, they suggested the turbo line, changed it out which did help some but the truck would still produce giant plumes of steam on cold start when ever the temps were below 60.
I have a 2003 F150 V6 that does the same thing.
And remember like Scott Kilmer says!!! "REMEMBER TO RING THAT BELL!!!!
Cant find that exact part. Can youlink the part? Great video!!!
1:41 you can see the part numbers on the service bulletin
Back in my day the first thought would be worn valve guides. With today’s new technology, I don’t have a logical starting place to even to begin with.
How many miles on this truck?
This is super simple and thank you for showing us and all the incredible information you give!! 👍
Great video. I'm curious on why the coolant line has to be removed on the 2015-2017's to change the oil feed tube? I can see having to remove the turbo flange bolt/stud is required to access the oil tube mounting bolt.
Do the 2015-17 2.7s use the same oil feed line? My 2016 has a cloud of white/faint blue smoke on the morning start up.
I know this is an old video but hopefully you have notifications.
Does the oil need to be drained first or can this all be disconnected full.
Thanks
Have you done this on a 2016 F-150 with the 2.7l? The TSB states that the driver’s side tire and fender shield have to come off but I see you didn’t have to do this in your video. Didn’t know if there is a big change in procedure from a 2016 vs the 2018 you worked on in this video. Thank you for your time and all of the information you share
I am a subscriber and have a problem. Yesterday my 2013 f150 4x4 plat ecoboost died after leaving a driveway with a dip. The dealership did the fuse # 27 relocate years ago. Truck cranks, no start, full power to everything. Do you have a vid of fuel pump or fpcm troubleshooting? Thnx much
Mine did the same thing bought the parts to fix it from the dealer but before I did the install I purchased and installed a oil separator hasn't smoked since parts are still on my tool box
The wiring harness terminates at the front drivers side door pillar.
From my understand there is TSB for it. The wiring harness from the fuel pump to the door pillar MAY need to be replaced. The truck cab has to be raised to get access to the harness.
Don't start replacing parts just because someone says. I THINK YOU should replace this and that.
I should know..😄
I took my 2019 in last week to the Dealer for the blue smoke problem. They mentioned that TSB for it and have the tube on order. I'm hoping it fixes it as well. Thanks for posting this!
@@ChappySinclair Yes, no more issues since they fixed it.
Your video is great help. Went to dealer back in 2021, they changed the left turbo oil supply tube, but did not resolve the issue. So went back two weeks later, but the dealer stated white/blue smoke is normal. Out of curiosity, are the newer and older oil supply tubes have same part number? Thank you for your help.
Thanks for the video. Im going to check my 2020 in the morning.
Would this work for a 2014 Ford escape with the same issue?
I have been getting a hint of burnt oil in the mornings when I first start the truck but I haven’t noticed any blue smoke but how often do you start your truck while you’re looking at the tailpipe so this is definitely something I’m going to look into thanks for the enlightening video.
if you park it for more than a day it may smoke more.
mine doesn't really do it if I drive daily, but if I let it sit for a few days it'll smoke pretty good.
Ah!!! You knew it would be fixed!!! You’re the Ford expert mechanic great job 👏🏾
Oil catch can is needed also
Interesting and odd fix. Are these 2.7's good motors? Cam phasers? I heard they had problems with oil pans leaking. Did they get that fixed? is the 2.7 worth buying in the F150?
There's a 2nd gen 2.7 that was upgraded to fix allot of these issues . 2018 and newer.
My 2020 is at the dealership shop they told me exactly this , hopefully won’t take to long to get it back
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Will blue smoke on startup cause any issues down the road if the oil supply tube doesnt get replaced at all?
Do the 2021 2.7s have the updated hoses for turbo?
yes
Apparently also applies to 'Some 2015-2017 F-150 vehicles equipped with a 2.7L EcoBoost engine' - TSB #TSB 19-2188 Jul 09, 2019. I'm keeping my eye on my 2017.
I love that 2.7l ecoboost motor
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My 2016 did this! Traded it in.
Thanks for making these videos! My 2016 2.7 is doing this. I see there was a tsb for my year as well. Your video only mentions 2018-2020. Does anyone know if there is any remarkable difference in the access or job for a 2016 2.7?
Great video's. I'm dealing with a 2015 f150 2.7. The temp gauge spikes and fans run wide open. The engine never overheats. No code set. I did read somewhere the coolant sensor needs replacing. This looks like a lot of work. Am I heading the right rabbit?
I replaced the head temp sensor but no help.
Nice to hear from you is you should respond to me. Thanks
Ford dealer say radiator hose collzapex . they twisted the hose and replaced
The coolant. $536.00 bucks later same problem.
I have a 2015 F150 3.5 ecoboost my truck was doing the same thing (fan on highest setting even though engine is cold and only been running for 1-2 minutes). I did a lot of internet searching and watching TH-cam videos and for most people it can boil down to 1-3 things causing it:
1. A/C pressure sensor (located just behind the radiator passenger side) like you mentioned is bad (or the connector to this sensor is bad) and needs to be replaced
2. Using non-OEM thermostats can cause this issue. Replace the non-OEM with a Ford thermostat (180F setting)
3. The A/C expansion valve (passenger side behind wheel well) is clogged or malfunctioning. Clean it our or replace it and recharge the A/C system to factory spec.
Using 1 (or all) of those fixes listed above seemed to get rid of the fan running on high speed all the time for 97% of the people that had the problem in the Ford forums and on TH-cam.
That's crazy I drive a 2013 Ford f150 5.0 coyote motor and at startup I'll see Blue smoke what I end up doing and finding out that the PCV valve was bad I couldn't find no video about PCV valves on the 5.0 l and their location I'm not really a car guy but I figured it out can you do more videos about the 5.0 2009 all the way up to 2014
PVC valve on the 5.0 is in the passenger side valve cover. It sticks up and has a plastic tube that goes from it, into the intake.
@FordTechMakuloco Great video! I have been to the dealership 3 times for this issue and they were just shy of taking the engine apart. This all started from an oil change where they overfilled it. My gut told me to hold off as nothing was mechanically wrong with my 2018 F150. I wish I would have found this sooner, definitely subscribing to your channel! I'm looking to make this repair myself, can you advise where to purchase all the necessary parts for this repair online?
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Do you know if the Baxter Performance Adapter would cause this as well. They claim oil is fully drained from the oil system with in 18 hours of sitting and can cause motor damage. Your explanation states oil must drain completely....
We dropped a jasper 5.3 in our old suburban and the old motor never puffed a bit of smoke or drank oil. The new motor smoked on the highway and drank oil. We pulled off the driver side valve cover and cleaned the integrated PCV & filter thoroughly so that it breathed freely. Still smoking. Bought a new valve cover and boom fixed. Weird..
Why would you replace a motor that’s not smoking or using oil?
Great video. I have a 2019 F150 2.7 EB. After watching this video I noticed the blue smoke. It’s not a lot of smoke, but noticeable. Is the blue smoke more of an annoyance to owners or a more serious problem if not fixed can be detrimental to the engine?
you can foul cats and o2 sensors which will cost some money to replace
I stand corrected cool on fords part 😎
My 2.7 had the smoke issue, about a year ago the dealer replaced the oil pan because of the leaks (another well known issue) after that no more smoke in the exhaust.
Mine is a 2016 and had same problem. Dealer told me turbo booster fitting and it would be 700 plus. He also said oil pan and with warranty it was only $100. Said lets do cheaper thing first and as of now no smoke at all. And they changed timing casing screws for free.
Have you done a rear main seal replacement job on the 2.7 f150 yet?
no
What is your opinion on the build and durability of tge 2 7 turbo? Which generation engine is best?
I would have thought that was total baloney but it makes sense: while the engine is running the oil is pumped under pressure and when the vehicle is off you would want it to drain back into the head. Only thing I worry about is leaks down the road due to elimination of the first o-ring but at least you'll make a video about that now, if it happens. Lol.
What is your take on the 3.5 EcoBoost cam phaser bulletin? My 2018 Expedition is affected by it and the dealer told me they will replace it only if it starts acting up. I am a bit concerned about it.
Thanks, I love watching your videos. I have a 2018 2.7 TT Fusion Sport. I've never noticed blue smoke on startup but I'm always in it. Is it mentioned in a similar TSB, I haven't seen one? Thanks.
Which 4.6 would you rebuild Lincoln Town Car Crown Vic or Grand Marquis
I have a 2016 2.7 with this issue. It's quite embarrassing when others comment on it because at times the amount of smoke produced can be alarming. Will this solve the problem for mine as well? If so, what is the part number? Thanks in advance! Matt
My 16 has the same issue. I believe the fix here is identical, but would be curious for an expert opinion.
Old post but a catch can helped my '16...
Any updates? My new to me 2016 does it and from my BMW days this kind of smoke usually points towards turbo failure.
My 2018 Ford F150 ecoboost 2.7 just started having this issue about 2 months ago. I finally got around to working on it. I removed the old oil supply line and brought it to the Ford dealer. The part they provided was the exact ae one. Parts guy at the dealer said there was no change on the part is having the issue. Do you have the part number for the new line that you have??? Help please
The new tube assembly per the TSB is JU7Z-9T516-A. I'm having this same issue on my 2018. Have you had any luck in resolving the problem since you posted here?
Have there ever been issues with those filters clogging and taking a turbo out? If so is there a way to prevent that?
no
@@FordTechMakuloco Short and to the point! Lol.
I saw on "I do cars" channel he said those screens should be removed on Subaru turbo engines. Must be a finer screen. Those ford ones look pretty course.
@@ctbale1 this is why I wonder. I used to have WRX's and this was a failure point. Losing a turbo due to oil starvation at full boost also meant a high probability of losing the engine. I've pulled the screens on the Subaru, Im not sure that they are that much finer. However different engines different oiling systems. Plus subaru engines seem more finicky in general. I wonder if every manufacturer uses screens.
Crazy, is that a warranty repair?
That should under the Emissions category at the very least. Oil could kill the O2 sensors or CAT given enough oil passing by. 2 years/24000 federal, 7 years/70000 California.
Mabey they added a restrictor orifice inside the new tube so it delivers less oil. That way it doesn't overfill the turbo housing, so drain back can happen quicker when you shut it off. Over delivery of oil in the low friction environment could also cause it to consume oil while running, but was undetectable because the engine is up to temp.
That would increase the risk of sludge deposits blocking flow at the orifice.
@@hochhaul If the oil is to spec and it's maintained to any extent "sludge" shouldn't be circulating in the pressurized oil galley of any engine. Restrictors or Orifices are part of many lube systems. Piston coolers being an example, never heard of one clogging ????
Seems the newer these vehicles get the more issues they have🤦♂️
Had exact same problem on a 15 f350 6.2l. turned out to be PCV valve. $12.00 repair.
Will it harm the turbo not fixing it or should you schedule service if this dkes happen?
Are you aware of a similar tsb for Ford Edge Sport w/ 2.7 eco boost? I have a similar smoke situation on a 2018.
Where can I get the replacement tube. Do you have a link to get the improved version?
My 2017 F150 2.7 had the same blue smoke problem. It was corrected on warranty after 18 months...
Is there a fix for the '15-'16 2.7 EB?
Here is what i found:
Google: Ford TSB 19-2188
There is a similar fix
when i park my 2017 f150 facing uphill it will smoke . when i park facing downhill theres no smoke
Me too
The new part likely restricts / regulates oil flow to the drivers side turbo. Possibly from that deleted o-ring allowing oil to bypass the feed instead of forcing oil into it. Not uncommon to need to do this in the performance world where oil pressures are much higher and turbo placement itself can tend to cause smoking issues.
Do you have a part number for the new line? Can’t find it on google
Do the right side don”t have the same problem ? If does can you let us know the part number please thanks
How much do you normally charge for a job like this?
Which engine would you recommend for the F-150 for 2018 and up? What's your opinion on the 2.7 with the belt driven oil pump?
My 2017 F150 ecoboost has been doing this for years
How do you determine if it is driver or passenger side? Would this be the same for 16 3.5 eco with subtle blue on start after cold soak?
Are there specific torque specs for bolts to be tightened?
off subject my 98 taurus climate radio wont turn on only the rear defrost works all fuses check out any suggestions.also before it completely died at time when i started the car i would hear clicking sound and radio would cycle on to off.
Why the driver side only? What about the passenger side turbo oil supply line? Should I do both?
I did notice smoke on one start up, but nothing since. Have you dealt with engine code error P21D2? Just had the injector 4 replaced and spark plugs as well. Engine light back on. I see one post about possible MAF or MAP sensor issue.
Any video oh how to fix brake leak on 2011 f150 rear disc brake seen like is coming out the emergency brake ?? I was thinking they are still mechanical work we cable???
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Would this also work for the 3.0 twin turbo Lincoln mkz
Do you have any vídeo replaced head Gasket on 3.5l ecoboost 2013 f150?
nope, never seen nor heard of one failing. Better double check your diagnosis.
I wonder if that oil leaking past the turbine all this time did any damage to the catalytic converter?
nope
@@FordTechMakuloco Wondering if it could potentially cause carbon build up on the piston's?
I have the same model year and engine, is this something to worry about or get fixed right away?
Where did you purchase the oil line?
There must be a poor designed valve in the one end. Had same problem with my lincoln, but was cause by the trans.
Ive had this TSB performed and my truck still smokes. Is there any other update from Ford @fordtechmakuloco ?
I just bought a 2017 with 120k miles and it does this. Is it something to be concerned of, as in any damage from leaving it?
What size Torx bit removed turbo retaining bolt?