to sum it up. dropping a 30fps to 24fps timeline its called conforming where u streched 30fps to meet 24fps timeline. while interpreting means that a 30 fps will have consider all frame in 24 fps. so it will have 5 more frames in a 24fps producing more smooth footage.
I was about to return my Ronin Rs2 because of the judder I was getting when panning left and right. Then I realized that the issue wasn't the Ronin but the 24 fps. Then I saw this video and it was a blessing. Thanks Tom, you've made my day
I found time warp in AE to be highly effective with this. In a 23.97fps comp take 29.97 fps footage and increase it by 125% (time stretch) to match frame rate from 29.97 to 23.976, then decrease by 80% using time warp to get back to its correct speed. You might want to leave a copy of footage above so you know how long to stretch time warp to.
I have to give this a try. I get very bad jutter / jitter when panning with GH5 sometimes even using 60FPS footage. I can play it smoothly out of camera to an external monitor and it is smooth as butter, put it into Premiere Pro CC and let the jutters begin.
Really helpful video, have you tried (after interpret the footage) to right click on it and go again on interpret and select Optical flow? you could have choose also Frame Blending from there without going to after effect. Obviously I am saying that with Premiere pro 2019 and 2020 not sure about the older versions. Just a little trick I learnt that usually does the job.
You can certainly put the 30fps footage into a sequence that is 24fps just by inserting it into the timeline. It will drop every 5th frame to make it fit. I can't tell you that this will make a big difference, but you can try rendering the 30fps footage at 24fps first using the "Use Maximum Render Quality" checkbox during export. There is some information that suggests this will improve the footage when changing frame rates. Hope this helps.
Great little tip there for us drone guys getting into shooting video in the last few years and trying to catch up. Accidentally shot a few clips at 30 on a building progress shoot. So this will help for sure.
It really just comes down to the look you want. 30 will always be better for pans and action just due to the frame rate. A lot of people are shooting in 30 as they're not trying to get a film look and don't mind the video look. But if your intended output is 24, it is better to shoot in 24 unless there is something specific you are trying to accomplish (like this video). Shooting in 24 fps with the proper shutter (using the 180 rule, i.e. double the frame rate) will look better as it gives the right motion blur for 24. Shooting in 30 and converting to 24 will not do this. But hey, this is all about technique and look. On TH-cam you may not notice or care. I tend to get hung up in the technical stuff, when it's really the audio and story that people remember or notice.
Tom Flink but don't forget that there is judder too when 24 fps content plays on a regular 60 Hz monitor/display (most of the displays nowadays). 3:2 pulldown in inevitable in this case. So 24 fps definitely is a bad choice for TH-cam.
Hey, do you know of a similar tweak on FCPX? Currently I end up changing the speed of the higher FPS to make it work better, but something like this in FCP will be helpful. Thanks!
Hey, thanks man. Been using the interpret footage technique because my clients sends me footage shot on multiple cameras on different fps and this helps a lot in making it uniform. For dialogues I usually speeds up to match the audio but a good trick for B Rolls
Hi Tom, I have the DJI Spark that can only shot footage in 30 fps. But I like to switch to 24 frames with all other cameras! So I start using this trick! The little speed upgrade is not a problem with the drone footage! Thanks
Please tell more about your case! I'm interested about spark video techniques. For example, I'm shooting 25fps video with my 5dmIII and 30fps with Spark. How can I compose it to fit?
This is awesome..thanks for sharing.. been looking for a way to covert 30 FPS to 24fps in general without judder for a long time.. I can shoot 4:3 video with my panasonic g85 and 2x anamorphic adapter using 4k photo mode and then desqueeze in post to the correct anamorphic aspect ratio but 4k photo only shoots at 30fps so this looks a great way to get that 24 FPS filmic look back in post
@Tom Flink can you do this in Final Cut Pro X the same way? I have a camera that only shoot at 30fps in 720p can change the 30fps to a 24fps(23.976fps) in side of final cut pro x? Please let know sir I would greatly appreciate for helping me.
Sorry to say that I don't have a lot of experience with FCPX. But I do know that if you create a 24fps project and drop your 30fps footage onto the timeline it should transcode to 24 automatically.
guess it can be done (to prevent videos going longer) just interpret to lower fps to match sequence settings, and then speed up via rate streth tool in PP CC to keep time lengh correct, also right click on this piece and set frame blending to optical flow, guess do same as time warp in AE, or even better.
By itself, shooting in 30 or 60 fps and setting the timeline to 24fps will not cause choppy video. The Judder described above is actually a function of camera movement (pan) and the fps used at that time it was shot. Based on what you describe I would just make sure your shutter speed is following the 180 degree rule (shutter speed is double the fps) as this could have the biggest impact on jittering or choppy video when converted to 24fps on the timeline. Because, FCPX will drop frames to play it at normal speed. That said, if you want smooth slow motion then you always shoot at higher frame rates.
The audio will be impacted by the frame rate change. So, this is not effective if there is audio that needs to be in sync with the video. You could unlink the audio track to avoid. If it's just background and environment sound this should work.
I appreciate your video but slow motion is not going to help jutter. It just slows it down. I couldn't see much difference at all in the two clips. It's near impossible to get smooth pans at 24fps or 30 for that matter.
When you turn a 30fps clip into a 24fps clip, the way it slows the framerate is by deleting a frame every five frames. This is what causes it to have a jittery effect. Shooting at 24fps is always the better option (for me anyway)
...but when you watch 24 fps on a regular monitor/display which operates at 60 Hz, 12 frames will be doubled and 12 frames will be trippled in the conversion process, eg. the first frame will be doubled, the second will be trippled, and so on. That causes judder as well. The only way to avoid that - shoot and export at 30/60 without any conforming or speedups/slowdowns in post.
2:13... "It will play smoothly"... that video is so juddery it's hard to watch! There's something seriously wrong with the Mavic's choice of compression here.
i love 24 fps, for THIS REASON : Slow Motion. some how we prefer 24 fps because for example if we want maximum slow motion but we only have maximum of 60 fps camera. with 60 fps original footage, we can put it to 24 fps play at 40 percent slow speed. 40 percent is more slow motion, if compare to use 50 fps put into 25 fps play we only get 50 percent slow speed. 40 percent speed VS 50 percent speed for sure is better 40 percent.
Anytime your going to shoot a pan with your drone - change the speed to 60 frames for just that scene - it will reduce the jitter considerably. Regards Mike www.rotory.com
FFS, thank you.For giving tips about panning speed calculator. Every other ,,tutorialists,, yelling anly about ShUttEr SpeEd, ShuTTeR spEed. no juttering etc.
So you want it to be 24p, but that looks objectively inferior to 30p. But you cant 30p because videography cult says so. So you 30p to 24p, to make your 24p look like 30p, but not have it actually be 30p.... Oh the hoops... Why 24p at all? Because film school said it's cinematic? The majority of devices your footage is going to be viewed on dont match their refresh rate (60hz) to your footage, resulting in 3:2 pull down judder aka STUTTER.
It's not rocket science you're losing every 5th frame that's the judder it's the missing frame again why are you trying to render in 224p what do you think that's going to do for you?
Allen Kennedy ... Thanks for the comment. I debate the 24p or 30p topic all the time. For some reason I started shooting most of my video in 24p. My intention with this video was to contrast the two ways of transcoding a video of one frame rate into another, in Premiere. That is, dropping it on the timeline or transcoding the footage before adding it to the timeline. It seems to make a difference to me. Thanks!
Quick question why in the hell is it so important for you to render into 24 frames per second? Are you trying to pretend you're using film? You're not using film
some how we prefer 24 fps, for example if we want maximum slow motion but we only have 60 fps camera. with 60 fps original footage, we can put it to 24 fps play at 40 percent slow speed. 40 percent is more slow motion, if compare to use 50 fps put into 25 fps play we only get 50 percent slow speed. 40 percent speed VS 50 percent speed for sure is better 40 percent.
It has nothing to do with film. It gives it a more cinematic look because of the extra motion blur you get at 24p. Are you pretending to be someone who knows what they are talking about? Becuse you DONT know what your talking about.
to sum it up.
dropping a 30fps to 24fps timeline its called conforming where u streched 30fps to meet 24fps timeline.
while interpreting means that a 30 fps will have consider all frame in 24 fps. so it will have 5 more frames in a 24fps producing more smooth footage.
I was about to return my Ronin Rs2 because of the judder I was getting when panning left and right. Then I realized that the issue wasn't the Ronin but the 24 fps. Then I saw this video and it was a blessing. Thanks Tom, you've made my day
I found time warp in AE to be highly effective with this. In a 23.97fps comp take 29.97 fps footage and increase it by 125% (time stretch) to match frame rate from 29.97 to 23.976, then decrease by 80% using time warp to get back to its correct speed. You might want to leave a copy of footage above so you know how long to stretch time warp to.
What if you are shooting 2 people talking ? The audio is going to be stretched rite ?
Yes. This doesn’t work with a linked audio track.
I have to give this a try. I get very bad jutter / jitter when panning with GH5 sometimes even using 60FPS footage. I can play it smoothly out of camera to an external monitor and it is smooth as butter, put it into Premiere Pro CC and let the jutters begin.
Thanks a lot Tom Flink, this is the first video I find on youtube that gives a fix to this problem. I appreciate!
QUESTION: If you speed up 30fps on a 24fps timeline can you still notice the jitters???
Wow! Thank you for taking the time to share this. It saved me!
how about use 'optical flow' instead of interpret footage?
Exactly what i was looking for. Thank you. Subscribed!
Wow wonder can fcpx fix this
Many thanks master, 23,976 is Hollywood standard right?
Really helpful video, have you tried (after interpret the footage) to right click on it and go again on interpret and select Optical flow? you could have choose also Frame Blending from there without going to after effect. Obviously I am saying that with Premiere pro 2019 and 2020 not sure about the older versions. Just a little trick I learnt that usually does the job.
Thank you, and how we can do when we shoot in 24 fps?
Thank you Tom this helps me a lot
im doing this to smooth out my footage and its making it unusable with lagginess, has anyone else had this issue?
I tried this in After Effects but it didn't match the time and the audio was desynchronized
this is exactly what i was looking for . cheers
Awesome! You saved my life!.....well my footage actually :D Keep going with your channel! High quality video you provided there! Thanks!
Hello Tom!
Thank you so much for this tutorial which is very helpful for my video editing.
This fixed all my "laggy" footages!
Thanks Tom.
Doesn't interpreting the footage cause it to slow down?
You are correct. Appreciate the comment. It is an important point.
So is there no other way to put 30fps on a 24 fps timline?
Shot a wedding and my second shooter left their framerate at 30 while mine is at 24.
You can certainly put the 30fps footage into a sequence that is 24fps just by inserting it into the timeline. It will drop every 5th frame to make it fit. I can't tell you that this will make a big difference, but you can try rendering the 30fps footage at 24fps first using the "Use Maximum Render Quality" checkbox during export. There is some information that suggests this will improve the footage when changing frame rates. Hope this helps.
I’m interested in knowing how your footage came out using 30fps footage on a 24fps timeline?!🤔
I’m buying a dji spark and it only shoots 30fps but all my camera footage will be in 24fps
Great little tip there for us drone guys getting into shooting video in the last few years and trying to catch up. Accidentally shot a few clips at 30 on a building progress shoot. So this will help for sure.
🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾 Thank you a million for this video!!!!
great info.....have 80D and trying to film outdoor activity....think 30 at 30 is better or do 30 reduce to 24 to go on TH-cam???/
It really just comes down to the look you want. 30 will always be better for pans and action just due to the frame rate. A lot of people are shooting in 30 as they're not trying to get a film look and don't mind the video look. But if your intended output is 24, it is better to shoot in 24 unless there is something specific you are trying to accomplish (like this video). Shooting in 24 fps with the proper shutter (using the 180 rule, i.e. double the frame rate) will look better as it gives the right motion blur for 24. Shooting in 30 and converting to 24 will not do this. But hey, this is all about technique and look. On TH-cam you may not notice or care. I tend to get hung up in the technical stuff, when it's really the audio and story that people remember or notice.
Thanks for watching and commenting...
Tom Flink but don't forget that there is judder too when 24 fps content plays on a regular 60 Hz monitor/display (most of the displays nowadays). 3:2 pulldown in inevitable in this case. So 24 fps definitely is a bad choice for TH-cam.
Hey, do you know of a similar tweak on FCPX? Currently I end up changing the speed of the higher FPS to make it work better, but something like this in FCP will be helpful. Thanks!
Sorry, I'm not a FCPX user. Wish I could help.
@@TomFlink hey, thanks for the video nevertheless!
Thanks Tom! That was so useful and explained so well.
Or you can use Optical Flow...
Hey, thanks man. Been using the interpret footage technique because my clients sends me footage shot on multiple cameras on different fps and this helps a lot in making it uniform. For dialogues I usually speeds up to match the audio but a good trick for B Rolls
Very helpful! I'll be giving that a try for sure
Hi Tom, I have the DJI Spark that can only shot footage in 30 fps. But I like to switch to 24 frames with all other cameras! So I start using this trick! The little speed upgrade is not a problem with the drone footage! Thanks
Please tell more about your case! I'm interested about spark video techniques. For example, I'm shooting 25fps video with my 5dmIII and 30fps with Spark. How can I compose it to fit?
Thank you so much Tom!!
Thank you so much, you helped me a lot! :)
Thanks for the comment. Glad I could help. All the best.
This is awesome..thanks for sharing.. been looking for a way to covert 30 FPS to 24fps in general without judder for a long time.. I can shoot 4:3 video with my panasonic g85 and 2x anamorphic adapter using 4k photo mode and then desqueeze in post to the correct anamorphic aspect ratio but 4k photo only shoots at 30fps so this looks a great way to get that 24 FPS filmic look back in post
@Tom Flink can you do this in Final Cut Pro X the same way? I have a camera that only shoot at 30fps in 720p can change the 30fps to a 24fps(23.976fps) in side of final cut pro x? Please let know sir I would greatly appreciate for helping me.
Sorry to say that I don't have a lot of experience with FCPX. But I do know that if you create a 24fps project and drop your 30fps footage onto the timeline it should transcode to 24 automatically.
Tom Flink oh ok thanks i will try it, will the video run smooth and crisp in final cut pro x?
guess it can be done (to prevent videos going longer) just interpret to lower fps to match sequence settings, and then speed up via rate streth tool in PP CC to keep time lengh correct, also right click on this piece and set frame blending to optical flow, guess do same as time warp in AE, or even better.
Speed up to 125% to get back to normal speed correct?
@@cincyfan987 yep, it gives proper 1 to 1 frame matching
Nice tips!!
Is there any harm in shooting 30 or 60 fps in 4k, and then in FCPX setting the timeline to 24fps? Will this cause jittering/choppy video?
By itself, shooting in 30 or 60 fps and setting the timeline to 24fps will not cause choppy video. The Judder described above is actually a function of camera movement (pan) and the fps used at that time it was shot. Based on what you describe I would just make sure your shutter speed is following the 180 degree rule (shutter speed is double the fps) as this could have the biggest impact on jittering or choppy video when converted to 24fps on the timeline. Because, FCPX will drop frames to play it at normal speed. That said, if you want smooth slow motion then you always shoot at higher frame rates.
Here's the timestamp for how to change to 24 fps 03:38
Hi Tom, what happens to the audio of the 30fps footage if we use this assume frame rate?
The audio will be impacted by the frame rate change. So, this is not effective if there is audio that needs to be in sync with the video. You could unlink the audio track to avoid. If it's just background and environment sound this should work.
Thank you Tom :)
thank you veeeery much for this! it rly helped me out =)
thnx man that was amazing
I appreciate your video but slow motion is not going to help jutter. It just slows it down. I couldn't see much difference at all in the two clips. It's near impossible to get smooth pans at 24fps or 30 for that matter.
wow, its is very deeply advance and use full !
Nice tip! thanks!
Thank you! This helped!
This is a great video! Thank you for the tips. liked and subed. what mic were you using to record this video?
Thank you. I used the Rode SmartLav as a lapel mic.
When you turn a 30fps clip into a 24fps clip, the way it slows the framerate is by deleting a frame every five frames. This is what causes it to have a jittery effect. Shooting at 24fps is always the better option (for me anyway)
...but when you watch 24 fps on a regular monitor/display which operates at 60 Hz, 12 frames will be doubled and 12 frames will be trippled in the conversion process, eg. the first frame will be doubled, the second will be trippled, and so on. That causes judder as well. The only way to avoid that - shoot and export at 30/60 without any conforming or speedups/slowdowns in post.
@@diman4010 Don't be silly now, that makes too much sense.
@@bobyouruncle9039 :D
Or create timeline sequence 30fps
Thank you very much, and keep creating content. :)
I may be on an updated version as I had to: View video in source monitor > Select "clip" in the top tabs > Modify > Interpret footage
Yes, I made this video in 2017 so a few updates since then. Thanks for watching.
useful, thanks
God bless U sir, U ar a Life Saver
2:13... "It will play smoothly"... that video is so juddery it's hard to watch! There's something seriously wrong with the Mavic's choice of compression here.
Hashterix I think he probably shot at too high of a shutter speed.
That's because this screen capture is being captured at 24fps
Thankyou relly helped
nice 👏👏👏
i love 24 fps, for THIS REASON : Slow Motion. some how we prefer 24 fps because for example if we want maximum slow motion but we only have maximum of 60 fps camera. with 60 fps original footage, we can put it to 24 fps play at 40 percent slow speed. 40 percent is more slow motion, if compare to use 50 fps put into 25 fps play we only get 50 percent slow speed. 40 percent speed VS 50 percent speed for sure is better 40 percent.
thanks a lot
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That was good thank you
Excellent thanks
awesome! Thank you a lot!
That saved my A%%. Thank you.
Hey.
Thanks!
Actually, the math is: timeline frame rate divided by actual footage frame rate, multiplied with 100. Any timeline with any footage.
Anytime your going to shoot a pan with your drone - change the speed to 60 frames for just that scene - it will reduce the jitter considerably.
Regards Mike www.rotory.com
nice!
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FFS, thank you.For giving tips about panning speed calculator. Every other ,,tutorialists,, yelling anly about ShUttEr SpeEd, ShuTTeR spEed. no juttering etc.
less juddder??? how about no juddder.
Just shoot at 30, export at 30 and watch on a standard 60 Hz monitor, obviously :D
So you want it to be 24p, but that looks objectively inferior to 30p. But you cant 30p because videography cult says so. So you 30p to 24p, to make your 24p look like 30p, but not have it actually be 30p.... Oh the hoops... Why 24p at all? Because film school said it's cinematic? The majority of devices your footage is going to be viewed on dont match their refresh rate (60hz) to your footage, resulting in 3:2 pull down judder aka STUTTER.
Okay Mr. Bob TH-camCriticReviewer
30fps is the news man! LOL
It's not rocket science you're losing every 5th frame that's the judder it's the missing frame again why are you trying to render in 224p what do you think that's going to do for you?
Allen Kennedy ... Thanks for the comment. I debate the 24p or 30p topic all the time. For some reason I started shooting most of my video in 24p. My intention with this video was to contrast the two ways of transcoding a video of one frame rate into another, in Premiere. That is, dropping it on the timeline or transcoding the footage before adding it to the timeline. It seems to make a difference to me. Thanks!
The judder is not the missing frame. The missing frame makes it worse but that is not the cause.
Quick question why in the hell is it so important for you to render into 24 frames per second? Are you trying to pretend you're using film? You're not using film
some how we prefer 24 fps, for example if we want maximum slow motion but we only have 60 fps camera. with 60 fps original footage, we can put it to 24 fps play at 40 percent slow speed. 40 percent is more slow motion, if compare to use 50 fps put into 25 fps play we only get 50 percent slow speed. 40 percent speed VS 50 percent speed for sure is better 40 percent.
It has nothing to do with film. It gives it a more cinematic look because of the extra motion blur you get at 24p. Are you pretending to be someone who knows what they are talking about? Becuse you DONT know what your talking about.
For a DCP file, for exemple