5.25" & 3.5" Floppy Disk Drive, SCSI, DVD and Zip Support in Windows 10 & 11 (not Grease Weasel)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ก.ค. 2024
- This video shows a retro-styled PC that I've put together that can access 5.25" disks, 3.5" disks, Iomega Zip disks, Optical Disks (CD&DVD), SCSI Drives, USB media and online cloud storage, all through Windows 11 (also tested and works fine in Windows 10).
All of the above types are accessible as direct folders in Windows 11, not as binary images mounted through scripts. This machine can boot to MS-DOS from a 5.25" floppy disk, or Windows 11 from the internal SSD. Apart from the motherboard/CPU/SSD, all parts on this system are 1990's manufactured.
Presented in 1:1 square format.
Parts List:
Motherboard: Foxconn G41MXP
Memory: 2x Hynix 4GB 2Rx8 PC3L - 10600E -9 -11 -E3
CPU: Intel Pentium Dual Core E6700 3.2ghz
Chapter List:
00:00 Discussion about historical disk formats
00:46 Introduction to the 5.25" disk
01:56 Introduction to the 3.5" disk
02:54 Introduction to the Iomega Zip disk
04:00 Introduction to optical disks
05:00 Introduction to USB Sticks
05:29 Introduction to SCSI drives
06:06 Discussion about the PC Requirements
08:26 Presentation and booting of the PC
09:25 Iomega Zip Drive in Windows 11
10:23 3.5" Floppy Drive in Windows 11
10:40 5.25" Floppy Drive in Windows 11
11:45 Disk to disk copy operation
12:30 Playing music from 5.25" disk
14:24 Booting from 5.25" disk to MS-DOS
15:05 Running Chrome, TH-cam and a game
16:59 Connecting and running a 1989 SCSI Drive
19:19 Thought process behind motherboard selection
35:24 Internals of the PC
41:55 Ending
Errata: I mention in this video that the motherboard is able to accommodate an early i5 or i3 processor, but this is incorrect. The fastest processor this board can take is a Core2 Quad Extreme. - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
This video is a bit of a divergence from my usually more concise content, and is actually quite long and detailed. Because of this, I have split it into many chapters so you can jump to the section that you're interested in, should you not want to watch all of it. I'd love some feedback as to whether you prefer the shorter ones I normally do or the longer and more detailed ones like this.
i thought is old pc you scammed me
Well, it is quite old, but perhaps not as old as it looks :)@@realcartoongirl
@realcartoongirScammed? Chill out.
I just love the labels on those disks :)
One of them is real but I won't admit to which one 😂
For years younger generations have wondered about what happened to the drive letter A and B, now you bring them back :-)
Yes, I never thought about that. Drives A and B have always been assigned to floppy drives, and to my knowledge you can't change that. The main hard disk is always drive C, and has been since 1982. I guess there must be some young folk out there wondering what A and B letters were for. Thanks for watching :)
very much liked the stuff you amassed on these particular media. i'm short of "music for supermarkets" tho
I love the system and it gives me a few idea's.
Cool video, thanks!
I really like this channel I'm not quite a boomer I don't think so I don't know hold on I got a check.
Okay I just checked apparently I'm a very old Gen X, anyway these are great videos you have I hope you keep making them they bring up the memories as my first PC was a TRS 80 model 3 Buck Rogers edition, And I've worked in the computer field since I was 16 so I've seen a hell of a lot of changes over the years and sometimes I miss the older equipment and having a fight with jumpers and IRQs and everything else.
Oh and by the way I really dig that you filmed the videos in non wide format.
Yeah totally! You're probably a similar age to me, I'm actually too young to be a Boomer by definition but the term seems to encompass everyone 40+ these days if it's related to computing. Agreed, I always thought setting the IRQ manually for each card worked fine. Then they came up with Plug and Pray and the screen was more blue than it wasn't. Still, it's a lot more refined these days :)
@@CD3WD-Project Thanks so much. Yeah I'm going with square format because it's a good compromise. Lots of people use their smart phone in portrait to watch TH-cam and the tiny picture from a wide-screen video is terrible. Likewise, a portrait video on a widescreen monitor is equally ridiculous. Square kinda works on everything, in my opinion.
The first gen Core i5 and i3 processors were all socket 1156 iirc
Yes, you're absolutely right, I did put a correction in the video description. Not sure why I originally thought that. The fastest processor this board is likely to be happy to work with would be the Core2 Quad Extreme, actually still quite a capable processor and a lot faster than the dual-core Pentium in this one. Or a Socket 771 Quad Core Xeon (with a sticky-tape mod to cover some of the pads). I've not tried a different processor though, just for basic moving files around what's in here is fine. But as you say, none of the "i-core" series will go in this. Thanks for watching and contributing :)
The perfect modern retro PC.. Awesome.. )^_-)/
Thank you so much for the nice comment :)
very good
Thank you so much :)
Hi Quite good video.
I use a Pentium 2 ( Gateway 200 ) it is a excellent machine, i now use a CF2IDE card and a 4gb card.
It is dual boot dos 6.2 and Win XP, it came from the factory with 3.5 floppy and 100 zip disk and 16x (??) cdrom - ALL work fine.
It does have scusi for the flat bed scanner but it dont use it or the scusi hdd
The only mod i made was buying a (old ) modern Samsung or goldstar PCI card card that supports usb 2.0
As the computer has built in 10/100 network card it talks fine to all the newer machines
So that is my combo machine it only lacks a 5.25 - but i moved all my 5.25 files to 3.5 in my 386 days
I have a older machine being a Pentium 100 with win98, since win10 update in 2017/2018 i cannot access from win98 anything newer than win 7 , but i can see and access the files from the newer os, it sort of makes it a one way thing
As for media, my early 3.5's are great especially the top brand names, same with cd-roms i burned.
However since say 1998 / 2005 i find the 3/5 floppies are fairly junk, also almost every cd-rom i have burnt ( yes all my 286/386/486 backups ) are ruined as the dye seems to have "spoilt" it looks like ink blots on the outer edges - some wont read a directory listing, other some files work others donot and have errors. while i did spread my backups over many cd-roms for 10 years i would say 30-40% of the data is lost - almost all of the commercial pressed cd-roms still work
My personal data that is on 2 x 540 meg drives is still available and readable ( last item i checked was 2020/2021 and all of that is on a tiny 45 usb flash drive
In windows 10 there are also icons for the iomega zip and jaz drives, something that looks like a cassette or vcr, and a 3rd thing I cant identify.
You can view these icons in the imageres.dll if it's chosen as the source file for icons in the "Change Icon" window.
As a sidenote I wonder what codec youtube is using for video playback, my older laptop struggles severely these days with video playback, even though it used to be fine.
Wow you're absolutely right, I just checked. I'm not on W11 right now but I will have a look to see if they made it across.
I think the YT codec has changed a few times as far as I know. You can turn down the resolution of the video manually, that will reduce the load on your laptop. It could also be throttling its CPU due to a buildup of dust and degradation of the thermal paste, laptops are quite susceptible to both. Take it apart and refresh everything, you might find it recovers a bit of its old character.
Thanks for watching :)
@@B00MERTEC Thanks for replying!
I really should get to refreshing the thermal paste, I've been putting it off for a while now. Although those newfangled kryosheets are also quite intriguing.
I like your system pc
Thank you 😊
When playing the .ogg file, I'm not hearing the drive reading or seeking, is it reading the file and putting the whole thing into RAM? Either way, it's really cool that Windows 11 natively supports 5.25" disks.
Well it must be playing it directly from the disk because it starts playing very quickly on pressing play. It won't have had time to read the whole file yet (which is about 1.1mb in this case). It is very quiet to read this file because the disk was blank before I copied the file on. That means it is not fragmented, and the whole file will be laid on on the disk in order track-by-track. Therefore, as it's reading, it only needs to move the head one track at a time and not jump around all over the place like it would if the data on the disk was heavily fragmented.
Yes it's very cool that W11 actually does support a disk format from 1976. Especially when you consider that there are apparently some AMD Threadripper CPU's that W11 won't install on because it says they are too old 😮
Somebody at Microsoft has actually sat down and drawn an icon specifically for a 5.25 inch disk when they were making Windows 11. They must have made the conscious decision that it was needed and went to the trouble to do it. Yet they couldn't be bothered to do one for a ZIP drive. The drives work fine, but they never gave them their own icon.
Thanks for watching the video, really appreciate you stopping by and leaving a comment. 🍻
My situation is slightly different: I have a modern PC running Windows 11, and I'd like to connect vintage FireWire/IEEE1394 gear. Specifically, a Sony LISSA set. They get recognised in Windows and show up in the device manager, but support for the CD player and MD deck have been removed from Windows.
Yeah good luck with that 😃😃
Hmmmm, well it's going to be down to drivers I should think. I don't know the Sony Lissa, but firewire support should be no problem. If nobody has written a compatible 64 bit driver though, it's not going to work. Maybe somebody from the tec community will do it at some point, like happened for the 1996 SCSI card that's in this machine. Alternatively you could run a virtual machine on yours with an older OS and try it that way?
@@B00MERTEC I'm not a great fan of virtual machines. From what I understand, Windows XP was the last version that had extensive support. So you could just drag and drop a music file to your MiniDisc. It could be that it was present in Windows 7, although I doubt it: FireWire was already on its way out then.
The only part that really surprised me is support for 5.25 natively. I thought support was dropped in Windows XP onwards.
Yes, it is odd. Somebody in Microsoft must have made the conscious decision to support that drive type as they have drawn an icon specifically for it. The 5.25" format dates from 1976, and was replaced in 1984 by the 3.5" format. Its use declined as the 1980's wore on and by 1990 it was only old computers that still used it. By 1995 it was literally extinct. Yet, nearly 30 years later still, it's still supported. Whoever was in charge of deciding on the CPU support was not nearly as kind, as I'm told there are even AMD Threadripper CPU's that it refuses to install on, claiming that the processor is too old. All those daft checks can be bypassed though. I'm of half a mind that Intel passed a briefcase of cash to Microsoft under the table to only let Windows 11 install on quite new processors, so people would have to go out and buy ones. It's crazy really, Windows 11 will run on literally any x64 processor, even the Pentium 4. Thanks for watching!
@@B00MERTEC I don't think it's as nefarious as you think. It's all about UEFI, secureboot and windows licensing using TPM.
Why did they feel the need to make it a requirement? Probably just to force OEM computer makers into correctly configuring their machine to use those features.
Yes the reasons are still dumb. But I don't think they involve pressure from Intel or otherwise. Besides usually it's the other way around now. Microsoft pressuring Intel and AMD into doing something.
As for the bypass hacks. I used to modify the ISO but now it's supported out-of-the-box by Ventoy without having to do anything. I highly recommend Ventoy.
Any Microsoft OS you boot in UEFI mode don't support floppy drives, to get it working you must boot it in legacy BIOS mode
Yeah this does boot in Legacy mode. I don't think it can even do UEFI.
You can easily get a 20 to 24 pin cable adapter that can provide power to the other pins.
Yes you are right, but the down side is that is won't actually deliver any more power from the PSU, just spread the available power over more pins. The PSU isn't a very strong one in this system, it seems to be a slightly odd shaped one specific for this case so I don't think I can swap it out easily. It does deliver the goods though, but I don't think much more could be squeezed out of it. Thanks for watching and contributing, much appreciated!
Oh man, don't just trust everything to online storage!. 1. You have to keep paying for your extension or you lose the data! 2. Always keep a local existence of it because you never know if it will outlast your cloud one.
Yes agreed. I do look local copies of everything, as you say, a cloud is just someone else's computer and it's best not to entirely trust it with no backup.
@@B00MERTEC, what do you mean by "I do look local copies..."?
@@HelloKittyFanMan Sorry, typo. I meant "keep".
how you solve the issue about diferent formats in floppy disk i install an old ibm win xp x86 but dont read all the disk some ask to format and i dont want to lose that info want to recover an maybe play old ms-dos games or find info when i study
Are you sure the disks that you are trying to read are compatible with the drive you are using? Like are you trying to use 1.2mb disks in a 360kb drive? Have you tried cleaning the drive heads and making sure the drive is functional? You could try buying a blank disk off ebay and see if you can format, read or write to it to check the drive is working correctly
"Literally the best channel on TH-cam!" Haha, just according to the guy who said it, due to personal bias. 😛
Well, you'll have to forgive my dry sense of humour. I cannot claim any one channel to be the "best" because "best" in this case is essentially undefined without specifying a quantifiable metric by which to compare different examples. For instance, different metrics could be: the number of subscribers; the like-to-dislike ratio; the total number of videos; the channel that can claim to be the "favorite" channel of the highest number of viewers. The closest I can offer here is to rephrase to say "The best channel, in my opinion", which I am entitled to say, because it's my channel and myself saying it. You are by definition listening to my opinion by listening to me speak on this video. But you are entitled and indeed encouraged to form your own opinion which may or may not differ from my own. Differences of opinion are essential to debate. You can create a channel and a video in which you state that you think your channel is the best on TH-cam, but with no definition of Best I'm afraid you would be no more correct or incorrect than I am.
Haha, @@B00MERTEC, no need to apologize for a "dry" sense of humor. I was going along with you on this. Yes, I already figured you were saying it tongue-in-cheek and with a playful bias, because of course, since it's yours. Why _not_ have a little fun with that? Well, other than the word "literally," of course, because that' would be saved for something that IS literal. Anyway, I wasn't saying you were wrong; I was just playing along. (Oh! Ya like that rhyme? 😛)
I never had a Zip drive, I wanted one So Badly!
Not sure why, Nobody used them lol...
I also wanted a Mini-Disk Player at the Time...
Interesting. I thought you were saying that you didn't wanna do a USB adaptation for a standard floppy drive, but here you are telling us how you did just that. Too bad that standard header will supposedly only support one drive at a time.
That's correct, I didn't want to do a USB adaptation as such, But I did it anyway because it was the only way. I was specifically referring to a Grease Weasel adapter though, which is a clever device for mating a variety of different drives (inc 5.25) to USB. Grease Weasels are really brilliant, I have one and love it but by their very nature they work at the Flux level through scripts and raw images. You cannot use one to give you a drive letter in Windows that you can access as a normal drive, they just don't work that way.
@@B00MERTEC: Oh, well you didn't really make it clear right there that you were simply mainly avoiding having to use a "Grease Weasel" (I'm guessing that you meant "Greaseweazle"). You did go over that at a different point, though.
Yeah, there was a time when, in Windows xp, I set up my Zip floppy drive A:! You might not think you could do that with an ATAPI/PATA drive, but yep, there is a jumper spot for having the Zip drive tell the BIOS that it is drive A!
Yes I concur, it can be done.
So I see that you have the data to accompany the Steele Dossier. Tallyho! 😉
Yeah. I did watch a bit of it but it was all a bit special interest for me. Some strange elderly gentleman in aviator sunglasses keeps asking me for it 🤷
Oh dang it, I thought you were gonna show us how to install the 11 on this older machine! Yeah, it should be able to, huh? After all, it came out in twenty-...ELEVEN!
No, this video was really about the drives, not installing W11 on an older system. There are quite a few videos already on that, but I can make one too if there is enough interest. It's pretty easy.
Oh, OK, fair enough. Thanks, @@B00MERTEC.
If you're feeling froggy, replace your 3.5 floppy with an LS-120, which uses the IDE bus, but supports the 1.44 as well as the LS120 format. Then you can add a 360K to the 1.2M 5.25 floppy.
I did consider the LS-120 but trouble is I don't have one, or any free ATA slots (although more could be added from the PCI bus). Sadly there is no way of having a 360 and a 1.2 on this system, the bios only allows a single floppy drive. It's for this reason that the 3.5" is USB driven. The 1.2 I've got here does seem to read both disk types fine though, fortunately. Thanks for watching and commenting, really appreciate you contributing :)
@@B00MERTEC Yeah, I commented before I saw the motherboard portion about how the floppy port is gimped.
Another thing to consider is a SCSI floppy. they're rare, but they do exist.
I use an older machine for this, It's a Dell GX110 Coppermine 1GHZ Pentium III. I've got the LS120 and a 360K and 1.2M under Windows XP as my "tweener" floppy machine.
the limit of 1 floppy drive is not because of the BIOS itself, its because the IO chip only has enough pins to control 1 drive.
Ahh that's interesting. Bit of a shame it can't run two like the interface was designed for but to be honest, they must have considered anyone wanting to run two floppy drives in this day and age would be just too weird!
Have you tried to replace the led on the Scsi drive?
I've not tried yet, should be a simple solder job unless the problem is in the circuitry. It might be simply that the LED is bent away from the plastic window, but there is no obvious light coming from it. I'll open it up at some point and have a look.
You can get pci cards with floppy ports.
I did wonder that but to be honest I've never actually seen any. That would certainly create the possibility to have floppy support on much newer machines because even modern boards with just pci-e can have a converter board to classic PCI. I'll keep an eye out for a PCI floppy controller, never come across one but if you happen to find one on the Internet somewhere please do post a link up here as it would be really interesting to see one. Thanks for commenting :)
"3 1/2-inch now..."
* _Standard_ 3.5" one (as opposed to the Zip one, which is the same physical size).
Right OK. I guess the Zip Disk is actually 3.5" wide but I've never referred to it as a 3.5" disk as that would just confuse them with the original ones. I just call them Zip Disks.
Everyone thinks 10 or 11 are new it seems to me it is mainly windows 7 with various patches added and some legacy features either deleted or disabled features and a different desktop if you look closely dos shell is still in there
I find Windows 10 and especially Windows 11 as basically Windows 7 with mass data-harvesting built in. It's just awful. There are tests people have done on TH-cam showing the amount of secret data collection that goes on in the background and it's horrifying. Everything Microsoft has added to Windows since version 7 has been to Microsoft's benefit, not the users (in my opinion). It's all about preference harvesting now, really ugly stuff. I've been playing with XP a lot recently, what a great little OS it is. It will run in 64mb of memory, and yet seems to do everything you'd actually want an OS to do, without all the bloaty junk. Thanks for watching and contributing :)
I've found a new old stock fdd I took from my first job - I asked the manager if I can steal it since they were never gonna sell it after 15 years of sitting on the shelve haha now I'm kinda thinking about putting it into my main PC in place of a crappy card reader via a USB adapter and Internal USB header
lol yes why not, you got it so might as well use it. However, one slight annoyance is that Windows 10 and 11 periodically queries the drive to see if the disk has changed, so every few minutes it will light up and the head will seek back and forth. There might be some registry setting to stop it doing that. It's not a problem just slightly annoying, and not the drives fault. If you leave a CD in the drive you'll find it suddenly spin up every few minutes for no reason, it's the same thing, Windows just looking to check up on what all the drives are doing.
@@B00MERTEC I've never noticed it with DVD drives, I'm sure I would have noticed it since I've tuned my PC to be absolutely silent to the point of the only noisy thing is some crappy transformer buzzing in my display haha
lol, well it'll only do it with a disc in the drive. It just seems to randomly spin up and read the allocation table every so often. Or at least it does with me! So I don't leave discs in.@@give_me_my_nick_back
@@B00MERTEC im pretty sure its a file explorer thing since my disc drive (specifically i have a blu ray) that spins up every time i open file explorer, make sense since its checking on all disks. im also pretty sure theres something you can do to disable that
FFR: No, don't cut and paste; that deletes the files from the source disk. Just COPY and paste.
...Well yes, I would if those files were important, I was just moving files around as a demonstration, that's all.
@@B00MERTEC, you probably just copied them instead of cutting them, anyway.
I was surprised by the 5.25" floppy working but not DVD
Agreed, I'm the same. The older the format the more surprising it is that it works. CD/DVD was always going to be supported, you can even order Windows 11 on an installation DVD so it would be silly if that didn't work. I'm not sure if the Zip drive per-say is a supported device, I think Windows 11 just sees it as an ATAPI removable hard disk. So it does work fine but I don't think it recognises it specifically as a Zip drive. Thanks for watching and contibuting :)
Just because that's a 5.25" drive that this computer supports doesn't mean that board would support the 1976 version, and this drive isn't a 76 one.
I know this particular drive unit was not made in 1976, but the format was created in 1976. The drive is probably more like 1985. Incidentally, you can run a 1976 Shugart SA-400 5.25" drive in an IBM PC, the interface is the same. The SA-400 is single sided and 35 tracks though, so you need to format the disks to 35 tracks only (IBM PC format disks are 40 tracks as standard). I don't know if this BIOS will work with a single sided drive, I don't have one to try it. If I had to guess, I would be inclined to think that it would.
@@B00MERTEC, you were talking about an HD 5.25" at the time, so no, that format was not created in 76,
@@HelloKittyFanMan The 5.25" disk is the format. 1.2mb is the capacity. A format can have multiple capacities.
"Copy these files off..."
Copying doesn't automatically erase (take the files off the source).
Sorry, I should have said "Copying From" rather than "Copying Off". It's just my particular choice of phrase. I was speaking off the cuff without scripting.
@@B00MERTEC: OR... for future reference, then even without scripting you could just say "from" instead of "off." That'd fix the problem.
@@HelloKittyFanMan Well, I'd never really considered it a problem to fix. Even "from" is problematic. If I was to say "I'm going to get the cup from the shelf" that would imply that I've removed the cup from the shelf, in the same way as if I was to say "I'm going to get the cup off the shelf". The important word is "Copy". If I'm copying something off a disk (or from a disk), that implies that the original must remain in place, and that I have obtained a "Copy". Whether I've copied it off a disk or copied it from a disk really means the same thing. "Off" doesn't have to mean "Remove". For instance, if I was to say "I'm reading off the page" or "I'm reading off the wrong menu" doesn't mean my eyes are literally removing the printed letters as I absorb the information.
Of course you'll go back to reading disks, because you already talked about having USB hard disks for some of your use.
Ite getting harder to use floppy drives in windows. To Microsofts credit it's still possible.
Yeah it's good they are still supported, although it seems not 100% supported as Windows cannot format a 5.25" disk it seems. It can read and write to them but not format them. I don't think I'd bet on the next version of Windows having native floppy drive support, although maybe it will just see them as generic removable media or something.
Just because the graphics are onboard doesn't mean there's no GPU. There is such thing as an ONBOARD GPU!
Yes I know that. I don't think I have explained myself very clearly. I meant to say there is no GPU card, like an Nvidia 1070, plugged into an expansion slot. So, of course the GPU being used is the on-board one built into the CPU.
"As long as I can get files off USB hard disks and stuff..."
Or even copy them from those while still _leaving them on those._
Well, I think that's just my turn of phrase. If I was to say "I need to get a file off this old disk" I just mean I that I need to get the file onto something else so I can use it. Whether I leave it on the original media or not doesn't actually figure in that phrase. I agree that this could be confusing, as it could equally mean that I just want to delete a file off a disk.
@@B00MERTEC: OR... you could just say "from" instead of oddly using "off" when you don't mean it, and that would solve the problem.
@@HelloKittyFanMan Force of habit.
"...A bit of a _flop,_ really..."
Haha, of course... being a FLOP...py disk format! 😛
"...This metal sleeve on it instead..."
1. * shutter
2. Some are plastic.
Yes, some late ones were made of plastic, I suppose as a cost cutting exercise.
@@B00MERTEC: Yeah, probably. I wonder why they didn't figure from the very beginning that plastic would work for those.
"Floppy drive support..."
* _standard_ floppy drive support
I'm not quite sure what you are trying to convey here
@@B00MERTEC: That not all PC floppy disk drives run on that port, so that 34-pin one is just the _standard_ one. For example, besides the USB one that's still for standard floppy drives, the PATA port is good for that floppy drive called Zip.
Haha, "flavor."
"Two thousand eleven..."
Try saying "TWENTY-eleven," etc. instead. It's shorter and easier, just like when you say 1976 as "NINETEEN-seventy-six" instead of the long version. See, it works for this century too!
Well, yes you are correct that "Twenty Eleven" is shorter than "Two Thousand and Eleven". But must we always shorten our dialogue to the tightest form? I should hope that most English speaking people can understand my natural dialect.
@@B00MERTEC: Uh, of course it wasn't about whether or not we can understand you. It was simply a friendly suggestion that you could use to make it _easier._ Remember how I said "easier"? Why would you _want_ to spend more effort on it than you have to? Do you say 1976 as "one thousand... [blah blah blahh]"? No, right? So if you like saying years from past century the easier way, then why not ones from _this_ century?
@@HelloKittyFanMan I think I'm just too stuck in my ways Mr Kitty.
"To run the hard disk that I use inside the machine, which is a[n] SSD."
No it's not! SSDs are not disk drives. Hard disk drives are not flash. Other than being storage with some of the same connections, they're completely different!
Yes, I know they are. I just still sometimes call them that by accident. I am struggling to move on!
Haha, how funny that earlier you said this computer "doesn't have a GPU" because the graphics are just onboard, but now, later in the video, you're saying that it _does_ have an onboard GPU.
Yes, that was really just unscripted talk. Of course it actually has a GPU, there would be no display without one. To be clear, I was trying to explain that the system does not have a plug-in GPU, but instead uses the inbuilt one within the CPU. I hope this clears it up.
Yeah, @@B00MERTEC, that would be the better thing to say, for future reference.
1.2M floppy is from 1976? No it's not! That came way later.
I am sorry if I have not explained myself clearly. The 5.25" disk format does date from 1976. Over time it has been offered in several logical densities and layouts. The 1.2mb drives and disks rated to that density were released, I believe, in 1984.
@@B00MERTEC: It's not just about one format. The 5.25" floppy form factor has a few or several formats. And the physical media for HD differs from SD, too. It has a different coercivity, which is why you can't jut format one as the other even if it seems like you should be able to sacrifice an HD as an SD because SD is the lower technology.
@@HelloKittyFanMan Perhaps we just use different terms for things. The 5.25" disk concept I call the "format" and I call the 1.2mb or 360kb or 180kb the "capacity" or "density" of the "format". Like with zip disks, I call the zip disk as a whole the "format", and whether it is 100mb, 250mb or 750mb I call the capacity. As in, "The Zip Disk Format came in three different capacities". And as with the 5.25" format, not all zip drives could read or write to all capacities. The 750 drive for instance couldn't write to the 100 capacity disks, only read them. The 100 drive could not read or write from 250 or 750 capacity disks.
To further illustrate the point, an LS-120 drive could take a 3.5" format disk in regular 1.44mb capacity and store 35mb of data on it. It is exactly the same physical disk, therefore the same format, but the drive has increased the capacity of that disk to 35mb.
As an aside, it was a bit more lax with the 5.25" format. You could use a 1.2mb disk as a 360k disk in 360k drives, or format 360k disks as 1.2mb in 1.2mb drives. No, you were not supposed to as they had different oxide composition but as teenagers we did it literally all the time and 9 times out of 10 it worked without problem. I wouldn't advise it today, certainly for any data that is important or that you want to archive long term.
Just to let you know all your case fans should be blowing heat out the case and not blowing dusty air all over your cpu heatsink and motherboard, it's not a dig just a bit of helpful advice
totally agreed, and 99.9% of the time that's the way I'd do it. Unfortunately though this case has almost no front-to-back cooling so it is necessary to bring air in from the back, circle it around and push it back out again. I'm not too worried about dust, this machine isn't switched on very much and it's in a clean place. But you are totally right, air should come through the front and be spat out of the back. It does have one little fan at the front but it's pretty pants. Modern cases have loads of air-intake at the front, this one is pretty old and lacks any apart from the little fan. Thanks for contributing and watching, I really appreciate it :)
Technically, I don't think that PC actually supports Windows 11. Wouldn't you have to do that trick where you install Windows 11 on a hard drive on a newer PC and then transfer the hard drive to an older machine to get it to work? Last I heard the minimum CPU requirement for Windows 10 64-bit was Ivy Bridge, and if you wanted to run it with anything older you were stuck with the 32-bit version.
You're right, Windows 11 won't install on this machine by default, it complains that you need a faster cpu, a tpm 2.0 module and Uefi boot. But when you install Windows 11 you can disable those requirements and it'll work fine, as you don't actually need those things at all. Windows 11 doesn't have a 32 bit version, it does need a 64 bit CPU, which this is. Thanks for watching and commenting 🙂
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oh, that's good to know thank you.
"But as far as PC's concerned, this is the only disk that's actually floppy out of the floppy disk family."
NO, not true. The term "floppy disk" is NOT based on the jacket; it's based on the actual DISK! Take apart a standard 3.5" and a Zip disk and you'll see that!
Yes, I do know that the disks internally are floppy (and I think I say that in the video too). I meant it was the only floppy disk where the media, including the case/jacket, was flexible.
@@B00MERTEC: You did refer to just the hard-jacket floppy disks themselves later as being floppy, but the way you said this first thing didn't separate the jacket from the disk, and a lot of people misunderstand the term "floppy disk" to have originally included the jacket, but that's really not the case. (Ha, "CASE! 😀) So at this point of the video, that's the confusion I thought you were suffering from too.
@@HelloKittyFanMan No. At school we used to take them apart and throw them at each other in class. They are rubbish as projectiles on account of their lack of rigidity. I did take apart a 20mb MFM drive and those platters fly really well.
how this pc runs windows 11 is very old computer
It's not really old, the motherboard is dated 2011 I think. It has 8gb of RAM and the CPU supports 64-bit instructions, so it's more than capable. Microsoft won't let you install Windows 11 on it by default, you have to disable the system check on the installer but once you do that it runs just fine. Windows 11 will actually run on any x64 compatible CPU, which were first released in 2003. It is quite memory hungry though, even 4gb is a bit tight.
"If you're over a certain age you've grown up with PCs"? What: you think people born over just the last few to several years _haven't?_ Like they only have their phone or a tablet as their computer? Come on.
I think you have misunderstood me Mr Kitty, my apologies if I have been unclear. When I say "Grown up with PCs", what I mean is, grown up as a person, as PCs have also grown up at the same time. Like a sibling that you are close in age to. So, being old enough to remember the very first PCs being in daily use as latest tech, and witnessing them develop over decades in what they are today - a privileged position. I was born on the exact day that Intel released the 8086 processor and was only four years old when that processor was selected* for use into the new IBM PC. Therefore, I have grown up alongside the PC, which is what I meant to say.
(*actually, just before the manufacturing of the IBM PC, Intel offered IBM to use the 8088 processor instead of the 8086, which was a slightly cut-down budget version. They were able to offer it a bit cheaper and they had better stock availability. IBM agreed and so the IBM PC shipped with the 8088 processor, but the architecture and instruction set are identical. The main difference is that the 8088 only has an 8-bit data bus, even though it is a 16-bit processor, so it requires two clock cycles to receive a 16-bit number).
Kids these days have no idea how "lucky" they are.
They all think Apple invented everything.