Hercules Table Saw vs DeWalt (Upstart vs the Champ)
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- Hercules Table Saw vs DeWalt (Upstart vs the Champ) - Almost 1 year ago we got our first glimpse of the mythical Hercules job site table saw. And now it's here for real. Lets put it to the test against the king of the hill, the DeWALT DWE7480. The DeWALT is often jokingly referred to as the "DeFAULT" on job sites because when it launched it had more power, more cut capacity and with that gear and pinion dead on repeatability of cuts. The Hercules comes in with a smoother motor, a much better blade and it has a bunch of the bells and whistles missing on the DW, not to mention a bigger working surface. It's time to put these two to the test and see if the newcomer has what it takes to hang with the big boys.
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Quick FAQ: 1. The DeWALT is the DWE7480. 2. TheDW on sale for $280 is a different model. It has 25% less power and a reduced rip capacity of only 20". 3. The Herc is not out yet, but should be out in the next couple of weeks. 4. The Herc is in the sale flyer for next month with a coupon of $299 5. Neither of these saws can run a Dado (Get a router, it works better) 6. The depth of cut is 3.5" (standard for all 10" table saws) 7. No, I will not send you the one I'm not keeping. 8.
Routers can be problematic for dados. The bit has a powerful tendency to wander, especially if you're using a miter gauge. The cutting force is all directed sideways-not an issue with a fence, but keeping the wood from slipping with miter gauge is very tough.
I run a jig like a track saw for them. The real drawback is doing multiple passes for depth. But considering how often I do dados it's not really an issue.
Da Bear - I would like to start my question with a little praise, after all Bears like a bit of honey, right? I started watching your videos a short time ago, maybe a couple of months.
At first I thought, what is it with this joker, he's using this animated bear to do his presentation? What's going on here? After awhile, I saw the knowledge & honesty in your video reviews, even the humor. I'm enjoying all of it.
So, here's the question, there's no wrong answer, but I just don't have enough experience with these compact 10 inch portable saws to know which is good and which is only so-so.
What do you think of these two choices?
SKILSAW SPT70WT-01 Portable Worm Drive Table Saw priced at $341.10
Bosch GTS1031 10-Inch Portable Jobsite Table Saw $349.00
Both have free shipping. They have some history and they're ~ $50.00 more than the Hercules.
Features of these are all somewhat different, but do you see a clear cut winner or loser here? (yes, I like puns)
Funny you should bring up the Bosch, the top of that saw is almost identical to the Herc. Same style of fence, same slots all of it. In fact, I was joking that the Herc seems like the illegitimate love child of the DW and the Bosch. That said the Bosch only offers a rip capacity of 18 inches. That is very limiting, making this a saw that is almost dedicated to ripping long thin stock. Both the Skilsaw and the Herc have much wider rip capacities. And you don't need to do full sheets of plywood for that to be an issue. I was to rip a 25" x 23" board down today. Too big to do in a single pass on the mitre saw and you couldn't do it on the Bosch. The skill saw is a great saw but not fantastic. It has a slightly lower depth of cut at 3 1/4" This means you can't rip a 4x4 in one pass like you can on the Herc. I'd say the Skilsaw and the Herc are about equal and the Bosch would be a step down. I really like the next model up Skilsaw but it also sells for over $500. Oh well.
@@denoftools Thank you.
You do have to spend some time setting the saw up... blade, fence, etc. But once done, the saw is great. Fairly compact which is Nice th-cam.com/users/postUgkxXh-4_3-ZT1fFWP91ZV7iVqzElr0lEb-a I did get an Incra Miter Gauge which takes some setup as well. The stock miter gauge can be adjusted in the miter slot with a little painter's tape... this tightens up the side to side play a lot.
Thank you , Bear. I just bought one and still studying the layout. Happy to hear the pros and cons. Great video
Bought the Hercules yesterday and really like it so far. Much better than the ryobi I was using. Thanks for the review
Literally just bought one!!! So excited to use it!!
Another great video! I bought mine like a week ago and it made my job way easier no joke.
Nice review Red man thanks for your opinion you did a good job.
Oooh. It's here.
And I had just purchased a Dewalt over the past 30 or 40 days I think. No complaints. Nice to see the Hercules though.
That Hercules is impressive. Looks like a great saw!
Thanks Bear, nice job! Even though I already have a similar Ridgid saw I was looking forward to your review. I think the Hercules version is going to be popular.
I like the bigger surface on the Hercules and the ease of changing blades and riving knife adjustment. Hercules wins this one for me and it's less expensive.
Thanks for the video!
Another great review Red
My dad's livelihood was carpentry and so was his dad. I picked up on the trade, and I am 63 yrs old. I have seen table saws come and go from home to portable. As you described on your video everybody's likes are different, 'Different Strokes for Different Folks". I myself like like this Hercules Table saw, the stow away compartments for the claw and other attachments. It feels strong and built strong!!! It does what it's suppose to do and more, yea you can say this is better or that is better. I do extra remolding work on the side and this machine is perfect for what I do, like garage attachments, home additions, decks, hanging and floating shelves, kitchen cabinets, etc...Bottom line it does just as good as the high dollar table saws. I am not disappointed at all!!!!
Can't really add since I don't make a living with a saw like this. So I can only comment on the quality of the review. And that would be excellent. You speak truth. What a concept these days.
I like it Bear. Thanks again buddy
Love the Bear.
1) Said make HF manager your friend. Did that.
2) Said HF Hercules jobsite saw was better than OK. Considered that.
3) Talked about changes to jobsite saw for OSHA requirements, said old model was better in some ways.
4) Watched 'old' display model in closeout drop from $330 to $300 to $272 to $263 and finally told manager we had a deal but wanted 90 day warranty thrown in.
5) Manager said can't do but can cut price to $150. I said 'deal'.
6) On the way to the cash register the Manager, unsolicited, further cut the price to $125!
7) Walked out the door happy, set up new saw, cut like budda, very nice blade.
Bear and HF rate high on my happiness scale! ;-)
Great video of as usual Keep On Rockin in the Free World...
Good job bear! I have the DeWALT & I love it, especially with it's rack & pinion fence system-BAR NONE! It is so exact on both sides! And BOO-BEAR-HOO on those who may bitch on moving the DeWALT's fence to retract or extend it out. And like you I too like how one can easily read the DeWALT's measuring tape on where your at-at any given moment! Merry Christmas to you, your cubs & momma bear! Now I'm gonna chomp down on the like button!
This saw and the new 12 inch miter saw from them are without a doubt contractor grade. I would put either one up against the best and most expensive saws out. Also the new Diamondback tile saw from harbor freight is amazing as well. That’s another saw I would put up against the top brands. I will be owning all three soon. Harbor freight is clearly trying to ups their game in quality. Great job. I wouldn’t really get any of their other power tools but those three saws are simply amazing for the Price. By far the best bang for the buck.
I enjoy your videos. I've recently got into wood working as a hobby and these types of videos help me decide on tools. I know I could spend more on name brand but I've learned if it works ot works no matter the name..
The fence adjustment is going to be used more than any other feature I'd go with the DeWalt personally. The Hercules is no slouch though. Once again HF is putting out some quality tools.
That is my take too. Eyesight is going (52yrs) and that dontrast sold me
This was helpful thanks. Great review.
Just bought the Hercules miter and table saw....love the both so far and the price was sweet.
Now that you’ve had the table saw for a while, how do you like it?
Totally agree on dado cutting. Stacks are great for stationary saws. Job site saws are not cabinet saws. I get your position on T-slots, but I prefer them. I wax them too -- bar and track.
Yep, add a little something to help them slide.
I saw a movie about rip cutting a 2x4 in woodshop decades ago. It was called "Blood on the Chalkboard" and it changed my life....
Good honest review.
if I was jobsite table saw shopping I would end up going with the Skil wormdrive
i think this saw has it all & I love all it can do!
Do hardwood floors and love my dewalt (compact) saw. Used to have bosch, and dewalt contractor saws. They both have larger tops and large easy raise stands. This dawalt saw never leaves my van. Sold bothe, and purchaced the dewalt for $350 with scissor stand, black friday.
Seems decent , cheaper saws usually have plastic motor housing and plastic cages , I have the dewalt jobsite saw with cart , it's nice and I just got it Thanksgiving time , after rebates and online orders , was a killer deal I believe the was model 7491 just over 400 bucks , the DeWalt cart is worth the money very nice.plus it has 31.5 in rip and quick release riving knife ect. Good job 👍 By the way This is WEALRO changed channel name before the give away.
I can't quite put my paws on it but this channel is unBEARable 😂🤣
Well done punmister.
After I saw this vid, I went out and purchased the Hercules table saw almost 8 months ago & let me say, I’m really impressed with it. Regarding the miter gauge, I found the best way to solve the sticking issue was to use my dremel and polish the edges on the gauge & inside the track. Now it works flawlessly. Thanks for such a good source of info.
Can you see the gears that raise the blade? A lot of competitors to dewalt have plastic gears while the dewalt reportedly has metal gears.
Cast metal
I got the DeWalt table and the Hercules miter. The miter is just to damn good.
I need them to make a Hercules circular saw like yesterday! Great vid!
Maybe a worm-drive... You can get great regular drive Skilsaws really cheap, so I don't see much advantage to Hercules making one. But making an affordable worm-drive would be awesome.
For me the fence is everything. Starting to rebuild a woodworking shop in a new house. Previous shop/house that got totally sold, I spent $600 on just an AM fence for my tablesaw. Bought a $400 DeWalt today and it's pretty darn good. Nothing like my old saw, but I do really like the fence.
100% with you on the track/circ saw thing. My neighbor is walking around with half a finger from ripping on his table saw.
Looks like another winner, Harbor Freight is really stepping up their game... of course you can still buy the cheap line, but their upper end is definitely getting better. I personally have the ridgid jobsite table saw that I bought several years ago and still works well. A few dings and dents but still accurate. However I did buy the Hercules miter saw, and have been suitably impressed. Makes a great jobsite miter saw, and unbeatable warranty, walk in and grab a new one off the shelf....
IDEA! When you do these kinds of videos, get fuzzy bear costume gloves so it looks like the bear is still doing the review.
And do all tests at least 85 miles deep in the forest with some salmon jumping in the background.
@@relikvija 😂😂
Hey, love your channel. As an Harbor Freight Employee I use your information often when helping customers find the right tool for the job. I stumbled on something suggesting you are in Montana?! I work in Missoula so that was also very exciting. In regards to the warranty at HFT, please know that this depends on where your local store is. Some products only offer a "Repair" plan. In that case stores in say California, will actually need to send the product off for repair. In area's like Montana that is spread out and do not have a "local" repair place/person. Those plans are treated like a replacement. That broken tool is shipped back to the distribution center for repair.
Thanks for the heads up. We are in Livingston during the summer. Right now we are in Vegas.
Man that is one nice. Looking table saw
Bear, what I found interesting is that it did not seem to reduce in power regardless of which type stock you used. I agree, I like the idea that the locking mechanism is of the blade guard for the zero clearance insert. I think that this would be a great tool for the jobsite. If you want better quality on different elments, hey, do what we all do....upgrade to your desires...Thanks for the review...God Bless.
When ripping the 2x4 around 8:50 it is easier to rip half way down and then flip the board around and cut from the other side. This helps a lot if you don't have an outfeed table.
That is a pain in the ass if you have kickback pawls, you need to turn off the saw, lift the pawls and pull the work piece from the blade, that might not be a big deal for some, especially when you are working on your own time but on a job and you have multiple rips to make it is just too time consuming. Its a lot easier to just set up a roller stand or let the work fall on the floor.
It works but you will have a difference in cuts unless your stock is 100% perfect
Looks like a decent portable table saw. Thanks for the review.
Got an open box deal for the Hercules today for $143! Ripped some solid 2x10”s on the stock 32t blade. Slight bogging down but man what a difference from my previous. And at less than half price a steal!
The very first table saw I ever used was one my dad made using a 4'x8' table with a standard skill saw bolted underneath it! Taped the trigger closed and tied the power cable to a light switch on the side (no light) and then ran the power to a wall plug. Switched on the light switch and the saw came on. Worked great! Of course, when he got the money to do so, he did upgrade to a real table saw which he incorporated into a permanent table as suggested here.
This saw is a big boy toy never use one but very interesting thank you
Nice job on the comparison. I guess Harbor Freight has the " luxury" of obtaining a bunch of competitors tools and picking and choosing ( copying if you will) features from other manufactures. That being said I would agree with you that it is definitely a suitable choice for a small home shop. When I go to replace my current saw I will definitely consider the Hercules. Again, thanks for the review.
And their engineers
what’s wrong with your current table saw?😕
I’d have to say most companies “copy” the competition now. The only one that has been innovative lately is Saw Stop. All of the others copy something on each of their designs.
Great video, Bear!
Certainly looks like a potential shop saw. I appreciate you running the saw through its paces. I'd be interested to know your thoughts and observations in a few months after you have utilized the saw on various projects.
Have a great week and weekend!
Mark
Looks good. I do a small wood working business and small home repair job's I just might try it out.
Great vid bro I think the Hercules looks very impressive I only have experience with the dewalt at all the job sites I've been to, being a dewalt consumer/"fanboy" lol I have much respect for where hurcles tools are headed. Thanks again bear
I would like to see a 6 month side by side on the job site
Looks like a good saw. I have a Bosch job site for a long time now and that does do dado. On the Dewalt unit I do like the measuring system better than mine.
I probably have the same Bosch as you. It's a good saw, but some of the features are a bit dated.
The Hercules was not in stock at my local HF, so I went online and ordered mine. I'm a novice, but locally I cannot find a good carpenter. The one carpenter that did show up quoted me $15,000.00 to build a deck onto my house. I have done projects in the past, but I am a trucker and only home on the weekends. I am going to take time off the road and build my own damn deck. The hell if I will pay that kind of loot. 😄👍🏼
Yeah, I priced out a 20' x 10' patio style deck and a guy quoted me $10k. It was a good thing he quoted that over the phone and not in person.
Contractors these days r the biggest scam artist u could find.
@@denoftools Well. Depends.
You live in a highly restrictive area? Or out in the boonies? You want to do it legal like? Or is the contractor "trusting" that youve done permits?
Idk. 10k os still insanity for some shit you and a buddy could put up in a weekend.
Edit: my point here was if he was talking about pulling permits and whatnot...just the survey work, unless you had it done very recently, is probly gonna cost ya a grand. At least. Permits, etc. Idk.
I could see 5k. If its very nice wood, a little more if ya wanted a roof. Im sure you could find someone to do it for 1-2k, though.
You may be irritated for the life of your deck with how they did it though. (Materials especially)
🤣
@@firghteningtruth7173depends, you add supports, railings, stairs, etc. And pay the carpenter a decent wage (say $30-40/hr after expenses) it adds up fast
Wish this had come out before I purchased the Chicago electric table saw. It sucks! Got to get what you can though. Only $50 less than the DeWalt I probably would of still ended up with the Chicago Electric anyway. Nice Video Red.
Nice saw. Would buy it but already own the Dewalt.
Thank you so much for the headphone warning icons!
I paid for the fence system on my dw, I would again. I love any thing that can be dialed in, I can't stand to bump something into adjustment.
Looks good
A good honest review bear. I would pick the bearcles
it looks and sounds like a decent job site saw on the level of the Dewalt btw i did professional Woodworking for over 25 years and its been one of my hobbies for over 35 years now over the years ive tried just about every table saw out there and for portable ones the company i ran with over 40 installers we used the Dewalts exclusively as most of the installers preferred that brand all our saws were mounted to a 3/4” plywood base for stability and to clamp it onto a stand
Bear, you convinced me on the Herc. Miter saw. I bought mine last week. Unfortunately, I’m not as convinced about this. I’m going to avoid this table saw until they match the warranty on the miter saw. I also think I’d prefer the dewalt fence, although either of these will be better than the fence on my little Craftsman.
This is not nearly as cut and dried a decision as the miter saw to be sure. But I should point out they dropped the base price to $250. Which means you could buy the 1 year warranty for the same price.
Really nice saw...
I'm seriously considering the Hercules. It's between that or a Ridgid... Mostly because the Ridgid comes with a stand... Cheap one but good for portability and quickly setting up
Finally you've been giving me blue saws for a week
@david billa...I see what you did there!!!
Hey hey there! Family channel here. No talking about your "tools"
I called 7 stores to find one in stock. When I finally found one in Victorville, I rushed over to buy it. Upon inspecting the display model, the fence would not lock. An employee confirmed the clamp was broken. That's a bad sign to me. I was so bummed because I thought I could save money by purchasing this saw instead of a dewalt! Now I have to go to Home Depot and spend more than I'd like.
I did not see what DeWalt you were comparing, so I compared it to my DW7491RS, and there is no comparison.
The DeWalt runs circles around that Hercules. It's not even close.
I own the Hercules and I really like it. Im not master carpenter by anymeans. I do home projects, I make boxes for my grandkids. It works great, it's accurate, easy to use. Im very happy with it.
Nice review. I have a X5 Unisaw so I'm not in the market. It seems like a good saw. I will be interested to see if they respond to Dewalt with some good coupons.
AWESOME Mr Bear! Thanks for the video!. It nice ti see dewalt getting they're ass kicked once again.
When is the new store credit card coming out?
Not sure on the credit card. I had heard they were going to announce it in January. I also heard they lost their you know what when I broke the story on the card.
The Freud Box Joint dado set will fit on the Dewalt arbor with the nut fully engaged which is why I bought the Dewalt, I got tired of changing setups on my main saw.
Was it the DWE7480? Because it clearly states no dado stacks.
At the same price point I would purchas a 8 1/4 Skillsaw worm drive at $419.00 for a small home shop. Better quality with all the features. Great video.
Years ago I needed a table saw to rip larger pieces. I was looking at the cheap HF table saw (only one they had then) but it looked very flimsy and I had read that the fence was sloppy. I didn't want to spend $400 for a Dewalt 7480 but I ended up getting lucky and got it for $290 as a refurb. The saw arrived looking like a new one and I've been loving the rack and pinion fence ever since.
I've been using the cheap HF saw for a couple years. Even built a mini kitchen's cabinets and drawers with it. Right away, the fence clamp system broke when I tightened the barrel nut to try and make it clamp tighter. Had to use a dremel to cut a square hole on top of the handle of the fence clamp area and access the guts that are pinned in place. Problem was the metal fork inside, and the barrel nut that pushed against it... when tightened, the barrel nut bent one side of the fork, and pushed right through the fork. With the hole cut on top to access, was able to bend the fork back straight and put a washer between the barrel and fork, it now clamps tight, though still have to manually align it on both ends. Basically that cheap HF saw is still working and actually does ok (milled 4x4's with it the other day to match size of lumber on an old 1924 house)... but I've been eyeballin' this new Hercules saw. Blade on the HF is getting dull... $45 for new blade or $380 for a much, much better saw with new blade. As for the HF cheap saw, once the fence was fixed to hold tight.... it has a lot of inconveniences, but is still working after fairly regular use for a couple years.
I have had the "RANK AND PINKYTON" fence, they will go crapy on you just like the rest. Still have to measure front and back to make sure.
james mcarthur even worse when they skip a tooth and have to be taken apart. That’s a keeps a job productive lol
Saw one in a box yesterday at my local HF store. Manteca CA.
Update. It's out of the box and ready to be fiddled with
High-end craftsmanship & a rack & pinion fence is an absolute must Bear! Or in other words, I'll take chocolate chip. On the other hand, the Hercules is a very close vanilla flavored alternative! 🧑
I love the Hercules line of tools, 12" miter saw is an amazing tool right out of the box! and the price point can't be touched on quality or performance. I am purchasing this table saw was to use in my small 10X17 shop. it's going to replace a Kobalt work-site saw with the mobile base, 2 reasons 1- Size! plan to build a mobile cart with folding out feed table. 2- Price! with the right coupon this saw is a steal at under $275.00
Nice try harbor freight!
Grizzly also has a 10" job sight saw. Listed on there sight as $365 plus shipping. Worth looking compared to these two.
It was just announced and had not been released when I did the video. I'd like to get my paws on one to test it out through.
I've had the DeWalt table saw, the one with the wheeled stand for a couple of years now. I really love it, especially the fence. The miter tool sucks. I use dado stacks on it. The legs lock and unlock very easily, takes 10 seconds to store the saw. That said, I chose the Hercules 12" miter saw and the Hercules stand as well. I wouldn't trade the DeWalt table saw but Hercules killed it on the Miter saw and the stand is also much better than the DeWalt.
Three things I noticed. Blade stopping time was vastly different. The Hercules took at least 12 seconds every time. The DeWalt never took more than 8 seconds. Two, it definitely looked like the wood moved much smoother on the DeWalt than the Hercules. Three, the two saws are now both $379. Based on what I saw, you talked me into the DeWalt. Except I'll go with the 7491.
I really wanted to fall in love with this saw. With the miter saw, it was love at first sight, yours and other reviews prove my purchase to be a solid decision. I currently have a rigid 4513 jobsite saw that i paid $399 for. Honestly after seeing this review i am going to stick with my rigid which blows both these saws away. The herc. Just seemed to struggle far more than my current saw. The rigid is an amazing saw for the price. It is certainly not a pro cabinet saw. But the hurc at $349 and $299 with coupon. I will happily pay the extra $100 for the rigid with the stand and out of box precision. we all love you bear and your videos and opinions, but if you want to be truly safe on a table saw get a pair of microjig grripper pushblocks, far and away the best purchase i have ever made. That push stick you use, is an invitation to see how far wood can penetrate flesh.
I try to use the equipment that comes with the tool. I hate those push sticks though. And no, I would not switch for this saw.
Jeez, bear. It drives me absolutely nuts when I see people who don't use the effing guards and kickback arresters that come with the saw! At the minimum, the guard should have been addressed as a point of comparison to the guard on the DeWalt.
At that point, anybody who wants to put their fingers at risk, risk getting smacked by a kickback-propelled piece of wood can still do it.
As for me, I've been doing this stuff for 58 years and still have all of my fingers, eyes and unscarred skin. Even then, I don't count on the guard to protect me; I always take one last look to make sure my fingers are going to be on a safe path.
Work safe!
What’s up Bear. I just recently subscribed to your channel, and my first time actually commenting. First off I’d like to say that I appreciate your candor and straight as an arrow opinions and honesty. It’s a rare find/ trait these days. I've been looking forward to this review ever since I saw your review on the Hercules 12” double bevel sliding compound mitre saw. I’m a Carpenter by trade, and by no means am I a “ Fan Boy” of the Black & Yellow or Red& White. However, I do own and use on jobs where I work the DW779 12” sliding compound mitre saw and the DW7480XA 10” jobsite table saw. I have been debating on picking up the Herc 12” mitre saw for my in process basement shop, and now after seeing this I may just pick up the tablesaw as well to match the “Bearcules Blue” theme.
The table saw seems like a carbon copy of of the Dewalt jobsite table saw. With the exception of the rack and pinion fence which works really well. I do like the quick blade and knife change accessory on the Herc though, and what seems to be a better blade as well. As far as the no dado stack option; it’s not a big deal really. That’s what routers and router tables are for.
I look forward to more of your thoughts and opinions on the Hercules tablesaw, and other tools and such as well. Thank you for your time and effort you put into your videos. Along with, your straight forward, no punches pulled honesty and opinions. It really is quite refreshing.
Thanks I try my best to keep it fair and balanced if you will. I'd have to say this song looks like the illegitimate love child between the DeWalt and the Bosch saws.
The Den of Tools Indeed it does. I’m a fan of Bosch as well. I actually own the trim router, and the circular saw (left handed blade) even though I’m right handed. As an apprentice many years ago I was trained on a left handed blade circ saw by porter cable. I like the ability to not having to look over the blade guard to see my cut lines and such. I thought about picking up the Bosch 10” tablesaw for my shop. Though now seeing the Herc tablesaw I’m still thinking it and it’s twin 12” mitre saw may just find a home in the shop.
I love those left blade circ saws. You see a lot of framers who use them.
I think this Hercules job site table saw is extremely impressive. There are some things it should incorporate in the future such as the site glass and measuring system as the Dewalt. Despite that it's lacking on this, I think I am considering this job site table saw! By the way, you have some big bearlike forearms. I wouldn't want to be the fool to be on the other side of your bear swipe! Thank you Bear for a good and thorough review!!! = )
I dunno, Dewalt is selling cheaper than the Hercules today 279 vs 299. Having used Dewalt I don't think I would spend more on a Herc.
I like it.
I went to HD to get the Dewalt for 10% off Lowes sale price. HD would not beat there price because it was not in a sale paper or something. Went back to Lowes and grabbed the sign and told them I would be back with it shortly. Finally after a discussion with the manager he tells the cashier.... Let him have it. Got mine for 245.00. I like the Dewalt. I have the bigger brother to this saw too. I also have a Dewalt hybrid saw that's still on a pallet in my box truck. Got that one for 490.00.
I love Dewalt but it the price on them forces me to find other alternatives and so far Hercules looks very sweet.
The features are similar, and by the time you replace that crap blade in the Hercules, the price will be as well. That brings up the one area that HF seems to be kicking everyone else's behind. The warranty. Specifically, what do you have to do if you need to use it? Unless something has changed, with DeWalt, it's ship it to one of their warranty centers at your expense and wait. With the Hercules, you go to any Harbor Freight, and they give you a new one on the spot. That's arguably a pretty important point if your company or paycheck depends on that saw being there working. For home use, being able to change the blade easily means you're more likely to use the right blade for the cutting you'll be doing. On job sites, I don't think it matters much. I'm guessing most of the time, they do the cutting with whatever blade is installed at that time regardless.
The blade that comes with the Hercules is pretty good actually. I used it to cut finished material and the edge was flawless. The Dewalt ships with a much worse blade.
The Bosch TS 4xxx series runs a dado fine.
They DO offer a dado insert, so you don't even have to run the stack up through it.
You cured my power tools blues bear. Can't wait for this bad boy to come out! Nothing like tool porn brotha!
Thanks for the video! I am new to the woodworking game and have a Ryobi 10inch RTS12 something or other and not really happy with it. I want a table saw that I can EASILY make a cross cut jig and maybe even attach it to a work bench later.$300ish price range. I don't need to haul it to work sites I'm just a sales guy in quarantine/weekend hobbyist type. Leaning towards the Herc. Fence is nice on the DW though.
I think those larger plywoods are more for cabinet style table saws have a larger table, and are mounted to the floor.
Im getting it asap
How did you make the brackets for your stand and it's a great video thank you for sharing
Wax the mitre attachment slot with car wax so it will ride smoother without binding.
Before the wax try rounding off the corners a little.
Then the wax, great idea.
Can you talk about how accurate the fences were in regards to staying parallel to the blade when moving the fence ? Are both motors direct drive ? Thanks for the review..!!
I had no problem with accuracy with either fence system. and yes both are direct drive what you're going to find on all models of saws in this category. There are very few jobsite saws that are belt drive
I have the Bosch with the folding stand and I have 5hp 12in Grizzly with front and side table
Nice review bear but as you said the dewalt has the better fence and when it comes to tabkesaws both big and small that is more important then anything.
Both very serviceable saws. Personally if I were buying I would lean towards the Herc for the throatplate lock and the splitter adjustment and I assume a better price. Both very similar saws. Neither should run a dado blade. The fence gauge is irrelevant as everyone uses their tape measure. Course the DW did take 42 turns and we all know what 42 means.
As for 4x8 sheets I used to cut lots of sheets down at one time on a cabinet saw and now I try not to just because I don't want to wrestle the heavy sheets anymore.
All that said I'd have to look the herc over in person first if I were seriously looking for a jobsite saw but I would also look at the Ridgid one as there is a direct tools here and refurbs are usually a decent price and for my light usage it's not a big deal. I have a cabinet saw in the shop....
I am looking for a small saw in my small place, would this be a good saw for face fronts on cabinets?
I think the Hitachi wins. It's 340ish fold up stand with all the features of the DeWalt with increase cutting capacity plus soft start and motor brake.
which model? The only one acme has is 450